Hi All, I am forwarding this thread to the new DMPM list. Please be sure to use this mail list for all current discussions. Thank you. B Berry Cobb Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) 720.839.5735 <mailto:mail@berrycobb.com> mail@berrycobb.com @berrycobb From: owner-gnso-metrep-wg@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-metrep-wg@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mouhamet Diop Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 08:49 To: Theo Geurts Cc: Pam Little; gnso-secs@icann.org; GNSO Metrics and Reporting Subject: Re: [gnso-metrep-wg] A possible case study Hello , Thank to raise the concern but a third party is also introduce the Reseller concept (not a registrar, not a customer) ! It is really complicated to have the new RAA implemented, understood and accepted by all those parties involved. Many complaints stay on ground without any feedback to ICANN or the Registrar. So data are not collected from the Reseller !! And i think it will also part of our recommendation when and from where it become relevant to collect data , how often ? how reliable it would be? etc. Maybe ICANN 50 will bring more light and brightness to this dark environment. Mouhamet Diop 2014-04-03 8:14 GMT+00:00 Theo Geurts <theo.geurts@firstfind.nl>: Hi Pam, Not sure if any data was used, though the Registrar group did warn ICANN and the LEA's way in advance and frankly it didn't require any rocket science to predict the current evolving trainwreck. What we have not seen are the lawsuits from Registrants (no doubt they will come). - For years people are being instructed to ignore requests from parties that they have no knowledge about. - Email providers like gmail, yahoo etc mark these emails as spam. - Registrants have barely any knowledge about domain names, ICANN, Registrars are vague terms for Registrants. When it comes to metrics regarding this issue, the ball is now in the LEA's corner. Metric wise we now know that the verification places a huge burden on registrants and registrars and legit websites are being knocked off the internet. What we do not know is how many lives have been saved and how many crimes have been solved due to the this verification. As Fadi mentioned in Durban, the LEA's will have to come up with the info here and we will perhaps see those metrics at ICANN 50. Regards, Theo Geurts ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "Pam Little" <pam.little12@gmail.com> Aan: gnso-metrep-wg@icann.org Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org Verzonden: Donderdag 3 april 2014 07:05:49 Onderwerp: [gnso-metrep-wg] A possible case study Dear WG Colleagues I thought this blog might be of interest: Are Whois email checks doing more harm than good? http://domainincite.com/16375-are-whois-email-checks-doing-more-harm-than-go od#comments To me, it raises a number of questions relevant to this WG. For example: · Was there data used to support those WHOIS related changes reflected in the 2013 RAA? · If so, what was the data and the baseline? · How will effectiveness of changes be measured? · Who will be collecting the data to measure effectiveness? ICANN? Registrars? Law enforcement agencies (through the GAC) that advocated for those changes? At Singapore meeting, I heard comments about regulatory impact assessment . I do not recall such an assessment done before those changes were introduced. Anyone? Kind regards, Pam -- M. Mouhamet Diop CEO & CHAIRMAN Kheweul.Com - ICANN Accredited Registrar NEXT, an Innovative Consulting Company <http://www.kheweul.org/> http://www.kheweul.org - www.kheweul.com Tel: +221 33 821 29 39 Mob: +221 77 444 23 50 Skype: laminediop <https://www.facebook.com/pages/kheweulcom/440998055988654> Facebook/Kheweul.com <https://twitter.com/kheweul_sn> Twitter/Kheweul_sn ------------------------------- <http://kheweul.com/> KHEWEUL.COM SA Beyond Expected! Meilleur registrar africain 2013 (Nom de domaine - Hébergement - Site Web) Adresse: 79 Rue Joseph Gomis BP 7474 DAKAR - SENEGAL