Including team on these communications. From: Kapin, Laureen Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 6:15 AM To: 'Drazek, Keith' <kdrazek@verisign.com> Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org Subject: RE: [Gnso-epdp-team] Question 5 to the Community - clarification needed Just to clarify, first, my request only relates to the phrasing of the late addition of Question 5 to the community for input, not the substance of the Initial Report. Second, my request was not related to reopening the nuanced discussion on use of the terms anonymized versus pseudonymized. That’s why I stuck with the term used in the charter for the Phase 2a work – anonymized. Again, I think the current plain language Question 5 creates the misimpression that we are seeking input on publishing email contact information. In fact, we are seeking input on publishing anonymized emails (with appropriate safeguards) – something very different. I’m therefore renewing my request to correct this error. Kind regards, Laureen Kapin Acting Assistant Director Division of Consumer Response and Operations Bureau of Consumer Protection Federal Trade Commission From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Drazek, Keith via Gnso-epdp-team Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 5:53 AM To: gnso-epdp-team@icann.org Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Question 5 to the Community - clarification needed int Hi all, Thanks for flagging this issue and for the continued input. The question of “anonymized” vs. “pseudonymized” was the subject of EPDP Team discussion AND advice received from Bird & Bird, so I don’t think this is a simple question of an error or omission in the text of the Initial Report. We will update the slide deck for today’s community outreach session, and also the public comment form, to include the definitions and to provide additional clarity, but I believe making a change to the Initial Report and adding the term “anonymized” to that section goes beyond just fixing an error/omission. Best, Keith From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg via Gnso-epdp-team Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 9:18 PM To: Kapin, Laureen <LKAPIN@ftc.gov>; Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org>; Becky Burr <becky.burr@board.icann.org> Cc: gnso-epdp-team@icann.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Question 5 to the Community - clarification needed Caution: This email originated from outside the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. I can't recall whether there have been PDP reports that have been revised, but ICANN has revised other published papers before. Sometimes without evening annotating the cover page that it is revised - or changing the URL. Hopefully, if this one is revised (and as I see it, the benefits far outweigh the problems), hopefully the cover page will note the revision and there will be a Revision list somewhere in the document. Alan At 2021-06-15 04:44 PM, Kapin, Laureen via Gnso-epdp-team wrote: Although what you describe about the rest of the report is accurate, I still think the omission of the word “anonymized†is simply a mistake that we should correct and to let it stand uncorrected will cause confusion. Might you explain why there is resistance to correcting this simple error? I suspect that PDP’s have published corrected versions before. Kind regards, Laureen Kapin Acting Assistant Director Division of Consumer Response and Operations Bureau of Consumer Protection Federal Trade Commission From: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 4:36 PM To: Becky Burr <becky.burr@board.icann.org<mailto:becky.burr@board.icann.org>>; Kapin, Laureen <LKAPIN@ftc.gov<mailto:LKAPIN@ftc.gov>> Cc: gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Question 5 to the Community - clarification needed Please also note that the preceding section in the Initial Report defines these terms (note, there are also some footnotes that go with these definitions): · "Registrant-based email contact", means “an email for all domains registered by a unique registrant [sponsored by a given Registrar] OR [across Registrars], which is intended to be pseudonymous data when processed by non-contracted parties. · "Registration-based email contact", means “a separate single use email for each domain name registered by a unique registrant, which is intended to be anonymous data when processed by non-contracted parties. We can make sure that a reference to these definitions is included in the public comment form to make sure that those that only look at the form have the appropriate context. Best regards, Caitlin, Berry and Marika From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Becky Burr via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>> Reply to: Becky Burr <becky.burr@board.icann.org<mailto:becky.burr@board.icann.org>> Date: Tuesday, 15 June 2021 at 21:59 To: "Kapin, Laureen" <LKAPIN@ftc.gov<mailto:LKAPIN@ftc.gov>> Cc: "gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>" <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Question 5 to the Community - clarification needed do you mean pseudonymized rather than anonymized? On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 3:36 PM Kapin, Laureen via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> > wrote: In preparing for tomorrow’s presentation, I realized that Question 5 to the Community omits an important word, “anonymized.†We should correct this. Here is the Question from the Initial Report: EPDP Team Question for Community Input #5 Does this guidance as written provide sufficient information and resources to Registrars and Registry Operators who wish to publish a registrant- or registration-based email address? If not, what is missing and why? Taken literally, this might leave the impression that the Recommendation is to publish a standard email address. In fact, our deliberations involved the publication of an anonymized (or more precisely, pseudonymized) email address. I request that we correct this oversight both so that our intention is clear and so that the public comments solicited focus on the real topic to consider – whether to publish some formm of an anonymized email address. I propose that we publish a corrected version of the Initial Report that inserts the word “anonymized†prior to “registrant- or registration-based email address†to correct this oversight. 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