Dear Mary, Please also acknowledge my emails of: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2017-December/001005.html http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2017-December/001007.html http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2017-December/001008.html the first of which explicitly asked for the identity and contact information of "the chair of the Chartering Organization or their designated representative." for the purpose of an appeal of the co-chairs' actions, as permitted by the guidelines. I've not yet been provided with the identity and contact information of that person to initiate that appeal (nor have I been contacted by the co-chairs). Sincerely, George Kirikos 416-588-0269 http://www.leap.com/ On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Paul,
This email is being sent to acknowledge receipt of your message below. As your message and this reply are also sent to the Working Group mailing list, they will therefore be included on the public record: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2017-December/001010.html.
Thanks and cheers
Mary
From: Paul Keating <Paul@law.es> Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 10:00 To: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org>, "gnso-igo-ingo-." <gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org> Cc: Andrew Rosener <andrew@mediaoptions.com>, Jay Chapman <jay@digimedia.com>, Nat Cohen <ncohen@telepathy.com>, Zak Muscovitch <zak@muscovitch.com> Subject: [Ext] Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Announcement: No Working Group call this week
Dear Mary,
Please note that I fully support the email from George posted Tue Dec 19 23:35:58 UTC 2017
No poll should be anonymous. In every WG I have been involved in that uses Polls the participant must:
State their full name
Confirm membership
Confirm their understanding that only full members may participate
Confirm that any response is public and will be retained as part of the official WG record and be subject to inspection by anyone.
In the face of such historical use and the authority cited by George, I continue to object to the use of anonymous polling.
As I have previously expressed, polls are useful when compliant as they allow participation by those not able to attend the telephone call due to conflicts.
I ask the Chairs to reverse their apparent course of action and undertake things properly in an open and transparent manner.
Please kindly confirm receipt and that this email will be included in the WG records.
Sincerely,
Paul Raynor Keating, Esq.
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From: Gnso-igo-ingo-crp <gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org> Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 12:10 AM To: "gnso-igo-ingo-." <gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Announcement: No Working Group call this week
Dear all,
As no requests to hold a call this week have been made, please note that there will not be a Working Group call this Thursday 21 December. We will resume our discussions in January, in accordance with the timeline outlined by the co-chairs (below).
The co-chairs have also reviewed the use of polls by the Next-Generation Registration Directory Services (RDS) PDP Working Group, since this was brought up during recent mailing list discussions on polling. Phil and Petter believe that the circumstances surrounding the decision to not utilize anonymous polling by the RDS Working Group are substantially different from the situation in our Working Group.
In this case, they believe that an anonymous poll – with all results to be published to the full Working Group except for the identity of the respondent – will encourage greater participation and more candid responses, which will help guide their initial designation of the options for Recommendation 3 (although the expectation is that Recommendations 1, 2, and 4 are likely to continue to have at least consensus support).
Finally, please note that once the co-chairs’ initial designations are published to the WG in January, all further discussion within the WG will be identified with those providing input and feedback.
Thanks and cheers, and wishing everyone happy holidays from the ICANN staff supporting your work,
Mary
From: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org> Date: Monday, December 18, 2017 at 11:46 To: "gnso-igo-ingo-." <gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org> Subject: PLEASE READ: Co-Chairs' proposal for moving forward to determining consensus
The following email is being sent on behalf of Philip Corwin & Petter Rindforth (WG co-chairs).
It is the view of the co-chairs that our exhaustive discussion of the options for dealing with the potential situation of an IGO successfully asserting an immunity claim in a judicial context have reached an end point; that all issues relevant to our Charter have been raised, understood and discussed; and that further discussion is unlikely to yield additional options that enjoy consensus support, or sway the view of Working Group participants regarding which option should prevail.
Therefore, the co-chairs intend to proceed in the following manner:
If a significant number of WG members believe that further oral discussion of the three additional options that will be presented in a final consensus call is needed, supplementing the three that were presented for WG consideration in our preliminary consensus call held in October 2017, and that email list discussion is insufficient for WG members to understand the intent and effect of all six options to be included in the consensus call, we will hold a WG meeting on December 21st at our regular time. Please respond to the mailing list if you believe a call on December 21st is needed.
On December 22nd, a second poll will be sent to all WG members. The purpose of this poll is to assist the co-chairs in determining the level of support/opposition that each option enjoys. This poll will ask all WG members to designate one of the six options as their preferred choice for addressing the IGO immunity issue. WG members will also be provided with means to add comments regarding that preferred choice, as well as each of the other five options. These comments can indicate support or opposition for each of the options, as well as whatever additional views a WG members wishes to provide. Responses to this poll will be anonymous, although any WG member will be free to share his/her response on the WG email list. The poll will remain open until Friday January 5th, 2018. The aggregated results of the poll, as well as all comments, will be shared with all WG members and will be included as a section of our Final Report.
Once the poll closes, the co-chairs will review all responses and then share their views with WG members regarding the level of consensus that each option enjoys. We hope to hold the first meeting of the WG on January 11th, 2018 in order to discuss poll results and the co-chairs’ evaluation. The GNSO WG Guidelines provide all WG members with an opportunity to provide feedback on those proposed classifications, and the final consensus level for each option included in the Final Report will be determined under the procedure provided in the Guidelines. As soon as that process is completed we will publish a draft Final Report for WG review and comment, and will provide a reasonable time for all WG members to draft and submit Minority views. We will try to have our Final Report ready for submission to the GNSO Council in order to meet the February 12th, 2018 document submission deadline, at the latest, for its February 22nd meeting.
Please let us know if you have any questions about this procedure. Thank you.
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