Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms Working Group call on Wednesday, 04 March 2015 at 1700 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-crp-access-04mar15-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: George Kirikos - Individual Petter Rindforth - IPC Phil Corwin - BC Kristine Dorrain- Individual Mason Cole - RySG Val Sherman - IPC Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP Paul Tattersfiled - Individual Jay Chapman - Individual Jim Bikoff - IPC Kathy Kleiman - NCUC Mike Rodenbaugh - IPC Apologies: Imran Ahmed Shah - NCUC ICANN staff: Mary Wong Steve Chan Berry Cobb Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/97rhAg Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Wednesday, 04 March 2015: Terri Agnew:Dear all, welcome to the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting on the 4th March 2015 George Kirikos:Hi everyone. George Kirikos:Hey Jay & Val. Jay Chapman:Hi George. Hello All. Val S:Hi George! George Kirikos:I'm playing with colours. :-) George Kirikos:Hi Phil. Philip Corwin:Hello all Val S:Jim Bikoff and David Heasley will be joining us a little late George Kirikos:I'm always reminded of the Truman Show quote.... Good morning, and in case I don't see ya, good afternoon, good evening, and good night! Terri Agnew:Welcome Paul Tattersfiled Kristine Dorrain-NAF:I can't hear anyone. Are we live? George Kirikos:Yes, we are, Kristine. Terri Agnew:Mike Rodenbaugh has joined audio Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Ok, I'll start over. BRB George Kirikos:You might try 1-866-692-5726 if you're having audio probs. George Kirikos:(code = IGO) Terri Agnew:@Krisitne, please let me k now if you would like a dial out on telephone George Kirikos:She might be 'K'? George Kirikos:Or, that might be Kathy. Val S:Jim is now on the audio bridge Terri Agnew:Kathy Kleiman has joined K:Sorry All, it jumped in - this is Kathy (Kleiman) Kathy Kleiman:@Mary, what is his name? Terri Agnew:Kristine Dorrain has rejoined George Kirikos:Certainly there's more than 1 person in the world qualified to opine on that legal concept. Petter Rindforth:When can we have the report from the Expert? Mary Wong:@Petter we hope to get his agreement to assist us within the next couple of days, and a report within the next week or two max. Petter Rindforth:Perfect! George Kirikos:Did ICANN legal get a chance to do a Westlaw search, or other search, for relevant legal precedents? Kristine Dorrain-NAF:No one warned me about that, but sure. :) Terri Agnew:Osvaldo Novoa has joined Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all, sorry I am late Mary Wong:@George, we did some research on sovereign immunity generally, including the two Vienna Conventions (1969 and 1986) to better understand the nature, history and scope of the principle.;However, we haven't done specific research on IGO uses or waivers of that protection in any specifi c instance/ Kathy Kleiman:@George: what is the "express lane limit" you are referring to? George Kirikos:"express lane"? Where did I mention that? George Kirikos:Oh, maybe you mean the WORD limit? George Kirikos:(length of responses?) George Kirikos:It was in the "No express length limit", in this document (which wasn't actually correct). George Kirikos:Bottom of page 3 of the document on screen. Kathy Kleiman:Tx George! George Kirikos:We can't scroll the document, it seems, but if I change the scale to 50%, and use the arrows, I can flip pages. Philip Corwin:I can scroll George Kirikos:Odd, for some reason I can't (maybe an Opera/Flash issue). Paul Tattersfield:You should be able to save it George and use it in an external viewer George Kirikos:Good artists copy, great artists steal? :-) Terri Agnew:@George , adobe prefers Firefox browser. I wil email you a link to check to make sure you have updated plug in's Paul Tattersfield:Kathy +1 George Kirikos:Thanks, Terri. It used to work, but I read the document this morning, in any event. George Kirikos:Most new gTLD domains won't get any traffic, so there's nothing for the alleged cybersquatter to monetize. George Kirikos:http://domains.adrforum.com/decision.aspx (change ruleset to "URS" to see past decisions). George Kirikos:Only 255 cases at NAF. George Kirikos:who.* is reserved, though, so one couldn't do a gripe site in any event. currently. Mary Wong:Yes, it's reserved on an interim basis pending resolution of the different advice/recommendations from the GAC and GNSO on IGO acronym protections on a preventative basis (rather than curative, which is the province of this WG). George Kirikos:Unlimited Appendices/Exhibits, to breach the word limits in a sneaky way. :-) George Kirikos:(at least at WIPO) Paul Tattersfield:In a 3 member panel is the selected panelist an advocate for the complainant or defendant? Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Yes, but you risk angering your panelist if you do that. Kristine Dorrain-NAF:No, no advocates. Kathy Kleiman:Tx Kristine! Paul Tattersfield:Thanks Kristine George Kirikos:Some folks have filed multiple UDRPs for the same name, though. George Kirikos:(after time has passed, citing 'new evidence', etc.) Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Yes, but lots of those get denied under Res Judicata. Kathy Kleiman:res judicata makes sense... George Kirikos:255 cases on NAF's website. George Kirikos:Scroll up for the link. George Kirikos:Usually 4,000+ UDRPs/year (2K each for NAF/WIPO). Kathy Kleiman:Very useful session - tx you! Mary Wong:Yes, thank you Kristine and Jim! Paul Tattersfield:Thank you Kristine very helpful today Val S:Thanks Phil, Kristine, and all! Petter Rindforth:Yes, we still wait for their real response Mary Wong:The IPC and ISPCP responses are posted to the WG wiki. Mary Wong:We'll follow up with the remaining SG/Cs and the GAC Secretariat. Jay Chapman:Thanks, all! Good day George Kirikos:Bye everyone. Have a nice day. Paul Tattersfield:Thanks all, bye Mary Wong:Thanks phil and everyone!