Additional Information (Re: Recordings, attendance & AC Chat | Reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names Call to Discuss Recommendations| Wednesday, 12 September 2018)
Dear Chuck and everyone, To follow up on Chuck’s request, the legal requirements for the formation and recognition of a National Society by the International Committee of the Red Cross are listed in Article 4 of the Statutes of the International Red Cross & Red Crescent Movement: https://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/misc/6erk5h.htm (these were also summarized by the Red Cross representatives and discussed at the facilitated discussion held in Copenhagen, March 2017, during ICANN57: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/transcript...). Additional Information: The International Federation of Red Cross & Red Crescent Societies is the official representative of its member national societies, and it has specific rules of procedure governing the admittance of National Societies: https://media.ifrc.org/ifrc/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2018/02/02_IFRC-Rules... (see, in particular, Rule 2). Collectively, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Federation of Red Cross & Red Crescent Societies and the National Societies comprise the International Red Cross & Red Crescent Movement, which is governed by the International Conference of the Red Cross and Red Crescent, the Council of Delegates and the Standing Commission (https://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/misc/components-movement.htm). Overview of Working Group Deliberation Process: At an early stage in its deliberations, the Reconvened PDP Working Group discussed the legal basis and public policy rationale for protecting the designations of the Red Cross National Societies and international movement; you can find the meeting records at https://community.icann.org/display/GWGTCT/2017+Meetings. The discussions included a review of the relevant parts of the prior PDP work and documents submitted for the March 2017 Copenhagen facilitated discussions and subsequently by the Red Cross. These discussions covered the scope of the Geneva Conventions and public policy rationale documented in GAC advice (for instance, at the 17 August 2017 meeting: https://community.icann.org/display/GWGTCT/2017-08-17+IGO+INGO+PDP+Working+G...) and also included email follow ups; for instance, Stephane Hankin of the Red Cross specifically responded with additional comments on the legal and public policy basis for protection: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo/2017-September/000087.html. The Reconvened PDP Working Group spent a significant portion of its 2018 meetings discussing a process for additions to the list of names (i.e. when a new National Society is formed and recognized) as well as corrections; and it also discussed criteria for determination of the common and usual names (variants) of the list of recognized National Societies submitted by the Red Cross; these meeting records can be reviewed at https://community.icann.org/display/GWGTCT/2018+Meetings. As Chuck noted, these discussions took into account the practical difficulty of having to convene a PDP to approve changes and corrections. We hope this additional and more specific information is helpful. Cheers Mary & Berry From: Gnso-igo-ingo <gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Chuck <consult@cgomes.com> Date: Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 10:51 To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon@icann.org>, "gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org>, 'Arsène Tungali' <arsenebaguma@gmail.com>, 'Stephanie Perrin' <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>, 'Tatiana Tropina' <tatiana.tropina@gmail.com>, 'Ayden Férdeline' <icann@ferdeline.com>, "mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" <mpsilvavalent@gmail.com>, "rafik.dammak@gmail.com" <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>, 'farzaneh badii' <farzaneh.badii@gmail.com>, 'Heather Forrest' <haforrestesq@gmail.com>, Dennis Chang <dennis.chang@icann.org>, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi@icann.org> Cc: "gnso-secs@icann.org" <gnso-secs@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat | Reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names Call to Discuss Recommendations| Wednesday, 12 September 2018 I just listened to the recording. Without minimizing any of the other concerns discussed, I thought that Farzaneh’s concern regarding the process for adding names without a PDP was an important one. I think Mary and Barry answered it at a high level, noting that there would have to be a lengthy international process before that could happen, but I wonder if it might be helpful to outline in brief bullet form what steps the international community and the GNSO would have to go through before a name could be added to the finite list. I understand that it is all in the report, but it might be easier for everyone to grasp it if those steps were listed in a concise manner. On the same topic, I would like to call attention to the WG recommended procedures for updating the finite list; in creating those procedures, the WG was fully cognizant of the time and effort required for a PDP to consider changes. The NCSG has made it abundantly clear that they have limited resources that make it difficult to participate in all PDPs, so I would think that it would be beneficial to avoid PDPs when possible without compromising the bottom-up policy development process and I believe the recommendations sufficiently constrain the update process to accomplish that. Finally, I confess to be the one who suggested maybe the GNSO should consider not allowing SGs to defer motions related to PDPs in which they did not actively participate. First note that I did NOT suggest that such SGs should not be able to participate in the public comment process. Second, let me say that part of the basis of that idea was to create an incentive for WG participation. A WG setting is much better suited for a constructive discussion on policy concerns than the public comment process. Chuck From: Gnso-igo-ingo <gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Andrea Glandon Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 3:11 PM To: gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org; Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma@gmail.com>; Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>; Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina@gmail.com>; Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com>; mpsilvavalent@gmail.com; rafik.dammak@gmail.com; farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii@gmail.com>; Heather Forrest <haforrestesq@gmail.com>; Dennis Chang <dennis.chang@icann.org>; Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi@icann.org> Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org Subject: [Gnso-igo-ingo] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat | Reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names Call to Discuss Recommendations| Wednesday, 12 September 2018 Dear all, Please find attached the attendance and AC chat and below the mp3 and Adobe Connect recording for the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names call to discuss recommendations held on Wednesday, 12 September 2018 at 13:00 UTC. Mp3: https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-red-cross-recs-12sep18-en.mp3 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__audio.icann.org_gnso_gn...> AC recording: https://participate.icann.org/p6y990qikgd/<https://participate.icann.org/p6y990qikgd/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=81a39a1ebb180a13c3f6048cc3437f769de562a45581fc29c7487256fee84be2> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar[gnso.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMFAw&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=E2vmSmAIFiMHbXvtPGq4TC82vJ9qNqqrkv_r2-VAgdI&s=wfRnhR5wGcI8YaPTIhiec3CkcYitSb0s-A5paUtmcQQ&e=> Mailing list archive: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo/ Agenda Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/aQCrBQ ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Kind Regards, Andrea Glandon
Hello again everyone, Further to Chuck’s request and the information provided below, staff has created the following two attachments that we hope will facilitate understanding of the Reconvened Working Group’s intentions and recommendations as regards: (1) the process for becoming recognized as a new National Society of the Red Cross movement; and (2) the process for adding a new National Society name to the finite reserved list. Please let us know if we may be of further assistance as all the various GNSO Stakeholder Groups prepare to vote on the Final Report. Thanks and cheers Mary & Berry From: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org> Date: Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 20:46 To: Chuck <consult@cgomes.com>, "gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org>, 'Arsène Tungali' <arsenebaguma@gmail.com>, 'Stephanie Perrin' <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>, 'Tatiana Tropina' <tatiana.tropina@gmail.com>, 'Ayden Férdeline' <icann@ferdeline.com>, "mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" <mpsilvavalent@gmail.com>, "rafik.dammak@gmail.com" <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>, 'farzaneh badii' <farzaneh.badii@gmail.com>, 'Heather Forrest' <haforrestesq@gmail.com>, Dennis Chang <dennis.chang@icann.org>, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi@icann.org> Cc: "gnso-secs@icann.org" <gnso-secs@icann.org> Subject: Additional Information (Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat | Reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names Call to Discuss Recommendations| Wednesday, 12 September 2018) Dear Chuck and everyone, To follow up on Chuck’s request, the legal requirements for the formation and recognition of a National Society by the International Committee of the Red Cross are listed in Article 4 of the Statutes of the International Red Cross & Red Crescent Movement: https://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/misc/6erk5h.htm (these were also summarized by the Red Cross representatives and discussed at the facilitated discussion held in Copenhagen, March 2017, during ICANN57: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/transcript...). Additional Information: The International Federation of Red Cross & Red Crescent Societies is the official representative of its member national societies, and it has specific rules of procedure governing the admittance of National Societies: https://media.ifrc.org/ifrc/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2018/02/02_IFRC-Rules... (see, in particular, Rule 2). Collectively, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Federation of Red Cross & Red Crescent Societies and the National Societies comprise the International Red Cross & Red Crescent Movement, which is governed by the International Conference of the Red Cross and Red Crescent, the Council of Delegates and the Standing Commission (https://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/misc/components-movement.htm). Overview of Working Group Deliberation Process: At an early stage in its deliberations, the Reconvened PDP Working Group discussed the legal basis and public policy rationale for protecting the designations of the Red Cross National Societies and international movement; you can find the meeting records at https://community.icann.org/display/GWGTCT/2017+Meetings. The discussions included a review of the relevant parts of the prior PDP work and documents submitted for the March 2017 Copenhagen facilitated discussions and subsequently by the Red Cross. These discussions covered the scope of the Geneva Conventions and public policy rationale documented in GAC advice (for instance, at the 17 August 2017 meeting: https://community.icann.org/display/GWGTCT/2017-08-17+IGO+INGO+PDP+Working+G...) and also included email follow ups; for instance, Stephane Hankin of the Red Cross specifically responded with additional comments on the legal and public policy basis for protection: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo/2017-September/000087.html. The Reconvened PDP Working Group spent a significant portion of its 2018 meetings discussing a process for additions to the list of names (i.e. when a new National Society is formed and recognized) as well as corrections; and it also discussed criteria for determination of the common and usual names (variants) of the list of recognized National Societies submitted by the Red Cross; these meeting records can be reviewed at https://community.icann.org/display/GWGTCT/2018+Meetings. As Chuck noted, these discussions took into account the practical difficulty of having to convene a PDP to approve changes and corrections. We hope this additional and more specific information is helpful. Cheers Mary & Berry From: Gnso-igo-ingo <gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Chuck <consult@cgomes.com> Date: Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 10:51 To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon@icann.org>, "gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org>, 'Arsène Tungali' <arsenebaguma@gmail.com>, 'Stephanie Perrin' <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>, 'Tatiana Tropina' <tatiana.tropina@gmail.com>, 'Ayden Férdeline' <icann@ferdeline.com>, "mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" <mpsilvavalent@gmail.com>, "rafik.dammak@gmail.com" <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>, 'farzaneh badii' <farzaneh.badii@gmail.com>, 'Heather Forrest' <haforrestesq@gmail.com>, Dennis Chang <dennis.chang@icann.org>, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi@icann.org> Cc: "gnso-secs@icann.org" <gnso-secs@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat | Reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names Call to Discuss Recommendations| Wednesday, 12 September 2018 I just listened to the recording. Without minimizing any of the other concerns discussed, I thought that Farzaneh’s concern regarding the process for adding names without a PDP was an important one. I think Mary and Barry answered it at a high level, noting that there would have to be a lengthy international process before that could happen, but I wonder if it might be helpful to outline in brief bullet form what steps the international community and the GNSO would have to go through before a name could be added to the finite list. I understand that it is all in the report, but it might be easier for everyone to grasp it if those steps were listed in a concise manner. On the same topic, I would like to call attention to the WG recommended procedures for updating the finite list; in creating those procedures, the WG was fully cognizant of the time and effort required for a PDP to consider changes. The NCSG has made it abundantly clear that they have limited resources that make it difficult to participate in all PDPs, so I would think that it would be beneficial to avoid PDPs when possible without compromising the bottom-up policy development process and I believe the recommendations sufficiently constrain the update process to accomplish that. Finally, I confess to be the one who suggested maybe the GNSO should consider not allowing SGs to defer motions related to PDPs in which they did not actively participate. First note that I did NOT suggest that such SGs should not be able to participate in the public comment process. Second, let me say that part of the basis of that idea was to create an incentive for WG participation. A WG setting is much better suited for a constructive discussion on policy concerns than the public comment process. Chuck From: Gnso-igo-ingo <gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Andrea Glandon Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 3:11 PM To: gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org; Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma@gmail.com>; Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>; Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina@gmail.com>; Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com>; mpsilvavalent@gmail.com; rafik.dammak@gmail.com; farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii@gmail.com>; Heather Forrest <haforrestesq@gmail.com>; Dennis Chang <dennis.chang@icann.org>; Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi@icann.org> Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org Subject: [Gnso-igo-ingo] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat | Reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names Call to Discuss Recommendations| Wednesday, 12 September 2018 Dear all, Please find attached the attendance and AC chat and below the mp3 and Adobe Connect recording for the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names call to discuss recommendations held on Wednesday, 12 September 2018 at 13:00 UTC. Mp3: https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-red-cross-recs-12sep18-en.mp3 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__audio.icann.org_gnso_gn...> AC recording: https://participate.icann.org/p6y990qikgd/<https://participate.icann.org/p6y990qikgd/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=81a39a1ebb180a13c3f6048cc3437f769de562a45581fc29c7487256fee84be2> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar[gnso.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMFAw&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=E2vmSmAIFiMHbXvtPGq4TC82vJ9qNqqrkv_r2-VAgdI&s=wfRnhR5wGcI8YaPTIhiec3CkcYitSb0s-A5paUtmcQQ&e=> Mailing list archive: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo/ Agenda Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/aQCrBQ ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Kind Regards, Andrea Glandon
Thank you very much Mary. Very well done. While all of what you provided was already in the final report, I believe that these two documents concisely show the detailed steps that must be satisfied before a name could be added and demonstrate that the WG was very careful to ensure that any list changes can only happen in a very controlled manner that is consistent with approved policies and respects the bottom-up consensus policy development process while still avoiding the lengthy and resource intensive of a new PDP in very limited circumstances. I hope everyone who had concerns about the recommendations regarding adding names to the list will take the time to carefully read this two documents that are less than 4 pages in total. Chuck From: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:49 PM To: Chuck <consult@cgomes.com>; gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org; 'Arsène Tungali' <arsenebaguma@gmail.com>; 'Stephanie Perrin' <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>; 'Tatiana Tropina' <tatiana.tropina@gmail.com>; 'Ayden Férdeline' <icann@ferdeline.com>; mpsilvavalent@gmail.com; rafik.dammak@gmail.com; 'farzaneh badii' <farzaneh.badii@gmail.com>; 'Heather Forrest' <haforrestesq@gmail.com>; Dennis Chang <dennis.chang@icann.org>; Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi@icann.org> Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org Subject: Re: Additional Information (Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat | Reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names Call to Discuss Recommendations| Wednesday, 12 September 2018) Hello again everyone, Further to Chuck’s request and the information provided below, staff has created the following two attachments that we hope will facilitate understanding of the Reconvened Working Group’s intentions and recommendations as regards: (1) the process for becoming recognized as a new National Society of the Red Cross movement; and (2) the process for adding a new National Society name to the finite reserved list. Please let us know if we may be of further assistance as all the various GNSO Stakeholder Groups prepare to vote on the Final Report. Thanks and cheers Mary & Berry From: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org <mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> > Date: Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 20:46 To: Chuck <consult@cgomes.com <mailto:consult@cgomes.com> >, "gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org <mailto:gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org> " <gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org <mailto:gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org> >, 'Arsène Tungali' <arsenebaguma@gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com> >, 'Stephanie Perrin' <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca <mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> >, 'Tatiana Tropina' <tatiana.tropina@gmail.com <mailto:tatiana.tropina@gmail.com> >, 'Ayden Férdeline' <icann@ferdeline.com <mailto:icann@ferdeline.com> >, "mpsilvavalent@gmail.com <mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com> " <mpsilvavalent@gmail.com <mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com> >, "rafik.dammak@gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> " <rafik.dammak@gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> >, 'farzaneh badii' <farzaneh.badii@gmail.com <mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com> >, 'Heather Forrest' <haforrestesq@gmail.com <mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com> >, Dennis Chang <dennis.chang@icann.org <mailto:dennis.chang@icann.org> >, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi@icann.org <mailto:maryam.bakoshi@icann.org> > Cc: "gnso-secs@icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> " <gnso-secs@icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> > Subject: Additional Information (Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat | Reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names Call to Discuss Recommendations| Wednesday, 12 September 2018) Dear Chuck and everyone, To follow up on Chuck’s request, the legal requirements for the formation and recognition of a National Society by the International Committee of the Red Cross are listed in Article 4 of the Statutes of the International Red Cross & Red Crescent Movement: https://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/misc/6erk5h.htm (these were also summarized by the Red Cross representatives and discussed at the facilitated discussion held in Copenhagen, March 2017, during ICANN57: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/transcript...). Additional Information: The International Federation of Red Cross & Red Crescent Societies is the official representative of its member national societies, and it has specific rules of procedure governing the admittance of National Societies: https://media.ifrc.org/ifrc/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2018/02/02_IFRC-Rules... (see, in particular, Rule 2). Collectively, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Federation of Red Cross & Red Crescent Societies and the National Societies comprise the International Red Cross & Red Crescent Movement, which is governed by the International Conference of the Red Cross and Red Crescent, the Council of Delegates and the Standing Commission (https://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/misc/components-movement.htm). Overview of Working Group Deliberation Process: At an early stage in its deliberations, the Reconvened PDP Working Group discussed the legal basis and public policy rationale for protecting the designations of the Red Cross National Societies and international movement; you can find the meeting records at https://community.icann.org/display/GWGTCT/2017+Meetings. The discussions included a review of the relevant parts of the prior PDP work and documents submitted for the March 2017 Copenhagen facilitated discussions and subsequently by the Red Cross. These discussions covered the scope of the Geneva Conventions and public policy rationale documented in GAC advice (for instance, at the 17 August 2017 meeting: https://community.icann.org/display/GWGTCT/2017-08-17+IGO+INGO+PDP+Working+G...) and also included email follow ups; for instance, Stephane Hankin of the Red Cross specifically responded with additional comments on the legal and public policy basis for protection: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo/2017-September/000087.html. The Reconvened PDP Working Group spent a significant portion of its 2018 meetings discussing a process for additions to the list of names (i.e. when a new National Society is formed and recognized) as well as corrections; and it also discussed criteria for determination of the common and usual names (variants) of the list of recognized National Societies submitted by the Red Cross; these meeting records can be reviewed at https://community.icann.org/display/GWGTCT/2018+Meetings. As Chuck noted, these discussions took into account the practical difficulty of having to convene a PDP to approve changes and corrections. We hope this additional and more specific information is helpful. Cheers Mary & Berry From: Gnso-igo-ingo <gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org> > on behalf of Chuck <consult@cgomes.com <mailto:consult@cgomes.com> > Date: Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 10:51 To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon@icann.org <mailto:andrea.glandon@icann.org> >, "gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org <mailto:gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org> " <gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org <mailto:gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org> >, 'Arsène Tungali' <arsenebaguma@gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com> >, 'Stephanie Perrin' <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca <mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> >, 'Tatiana Tropina' <tatiana.tropina@gmail.com <mailto:tatiana.tropina@gmail.com> >, 'Ayden Férdeline' <icann@ferdeline.com <mailto:icann@ferdeline.com> >, "mpsilvavalent@gmail.com <mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com> " <mpsilvavalent@gmail.com <mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com> >, "rafik.dammak@gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> " <rafik.dammak@gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> >, 'farzaneh badii' <farzaneh.badii@gmail.com <mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com> >, 'Heather Forrest' <haforrestesq@gmail.com <mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com> >, Dennis Chang <dennis.chang@icann.org <mailto:dennis.chang@icann.org> >, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi@icann.org <mailto:maryam.bakoshi@icann.org> > Cc: "gnso-secs@icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> " <gnso-secs@icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> > Subject: Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat | Reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names Call to Discuss Recommendations| Wednesday, 12 September 2018 I just listened to the recording. Without minimizing any of the other concerns discussed, I thought that Farzaneh’s concern regarding the process for adding names without a PDP was an important one. I think Mary and Barry answered it at a high level, noting that there would have to be a lengthy international process before that could happen, but I wonder if it might be helpful to outline in brief bullet form what steps the international community and the GNSO would have to go through before a name could be added to the finite list. I understand that it is all in the report, but it might be easier for everyone to grasp it if those steps were listed in a concise manner. On the same topic, I would like to call attention to the WG recommended procedures for updating the finite list; in creating those procedures, the WG was fully cognizant of the time and effort required for a PDP to consider changes. The NCSG has made it abundantly clear that they have limited resources that make it difficult to participate in all PDPs, so I would think that it would be beneficial to avoid PDPs when possible without compromising the bottom-up policy development process and I believe the recommendations sufficiently constrain the update process to accomplish that. Finally, I confess to be the one who suggested maybe the GNSO should consider not allowing SGs to defer motions related to PDPs in which they did not actively participate. First note that I did NOT suggest that such SGs should not be able to participate in the public comment process. Second, let me say that part of the basis of that idea was to create an incentive for WG participation. A WG setting is much better suited for a constructive discussion on policy concerns than the public comment process. Chuck From: Gnso-igo-ingo < <mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org> gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Andrea Glandon Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 3:11 PM To: <mailto:gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org> gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org; Arsène Tungali < <mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com> arsenebaguma@gmail.com>; Stephanie Perrin < <mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>; Tatiana Tropina < <mailto:tatiana.tropina@gmail.com> tatiana.tropina@gmail.com>; Ayden Férdeline < <mailto:icann@ferdeline.com> icann@ferdeline.com>; <mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com> mpsilvavalent@gmail.com; <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> rafik.dammak@gmail.com; farzaneh badii < <mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com> farzaneh.badii@gmail.com>; Heather Forrest < <mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com> haforrestesq@gmail.com>; Dennis Chang < <mailto:dennis.chang@icann.org> dennis.chang@icann.org>; Maryam Bakoshi < <mailto:maryam.bakoshi@icann.org> maryam.bakoshi@icann.org> Cc: <mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> gnso-secs@icann.org Subject: [Gnso-igo-ingo] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat | Reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names Call to Discuss Recommendations| Wednesday, 12 September 2018 Dear all, Please find attached the attendance and AC chat and below the mp3 and Adobe Connect recording for the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names call to discuss recommendations held on Wednesday, 12 September 2018 at 13:00 UTC. Mp3: <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__audio.icann.org_gnso_gn...> https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-red-cross-recs-12sep18-en.mp3 AC recording: <https://participate.icann.org/p6y990qikgd/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=81a39a1ebb180a13c...> https://participate.icann.org/p6y990qikgd/ The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-...> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar[gnso.icann.org] Mailing list archive: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo/ Agenda Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/aQCrBQ> https://community.icann.org/x/aQCrBQ ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Kind Regards, Andrea Glandon
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