Dear Thomas, dear all, Thank you for Berry’s invitation and for Thomas’ helpful explanatory note. Herewith a few suggestions in preparation for today’s discussion: I. Draft principles and criteria: In line with the last ConfCall's conclusions and mindful of Thomas’ message, we would propose the following principles/criteria/formula for the definition of names and identifiers of Red Cross and Red Crescent organizations to be reserved: With regard to the two international organizations within the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement: - The full match names of the International Committee of the Red Cross and of the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies – in the 6 UN languages. (As far as feasible to accommodate DNS labels) With regard to National Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies: 1. Both the official and usual names of National Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies that are recognized as components of the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement (e.g. “American National Red Cross” – according to its National Charter - and “American Red Cross”; “Croix-Rouge du Tchad“ and “Croix-Rouge tchadienne”). NB: There are 190 National Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies recognized within the Movement and admitted as members of the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies to date – there is one additional National Society currently pending recognition and admission and which application for recognition is under examination. This would bring the total of National Societies to 191. 2. The official and usual names of National Societies in the national language(s) and script(s) of their national State (e.g. Croix-Rouge française), as well as in English for National Societies in countries using a non-Latin script (“Russian Red Cross” / Российский Красный Крест). NB: This is, we understand, Thomas' new proposal. Please note that this represents a departure from the GAC’s consistent past advice that all National Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies’ names be protected/reserved in English (without exception and in addition to the individual National Society’s name in the latter’s national language[s] and script[s]). I believe that the initial thought was also that, should a fraudster intend, in the event of a disaster occurring in country XYZ, to register the name National Society XYZ as a second level domain name with fraudulent intentions, s/he would be most likely to do so in English for maximum impact. 3. The official and usual names of National Societies with and without hyphens separating the words (e.g. British Red Cross and British-Red-Cross). This is proposed to be limited for National Societies’ names in latin script (English, French, Spanish, German, Italian, Portuguese, Flemish, Dutch, etc.); 4. Where relevant to do so, with and without the article “The” (e.g. “American National Red Cross” and the “The American National Red Cross; “American Red Cross” and “The American Red Cross); 5. Where relevant to do so, with and without the designation or word “Society” (“British Red Cross” and “British Red Cross Society”; “Afghan Red Crescent” and “Afghan Red Crescent Society”; “Croix-Rouge française” and “Société Nationale de la Croix-Rouge française”); 6. For names in latin script and where pertinent to do so, with the adjective indicating national affiliation and with the name of the State (“Croix-Rouge tchadienne” and “Croix-Rouge du Tchad“; "Azerbaijan Red Crescent", "Red Crescent of Azerbaijan"). II. We take good note of the four column list proposed by Thomas and welcome the opportunity to discuss this during today's ConfCall. Might a simpler solution not be to complete the current list/table with three columns - to include 1) numbering, 2) designations for protection, 2) their associated DNA label? Would this not allow for an easier subsequent handling? III. We take note also of Thomas’ suggested principle that the Scope of the identifiers be only that of Scope 2 as defined in the original PDP excluding acronyms and other designations not already adopted by the Board (ex. icrc. cicr, mkkk, ifrc, ficr, mfkk, redstarofdavid, magendavidadom). We would still appreciate a clarification of the GNSO WG’s views on the implications of that exclusion, especially concerning § The acronyms of the international Red Cross and Red Crescent organizations (which the GAC had advised, in its Durban Communiqué (18 July 2013), be placed under the same cost neutral mechanisms to be worked out for the protection of acronyms of IGO's); § Names already included by the Board in the list of reserved names such as “magen david adom”, “red star of david”, but also “international red cross and red crescent movement” in the 6 UN languages (that is the Statutory name endorsed by the States), etc. Does this mean that the Board will be expected to make its own final determination regarding the above? IV. Lastly, and mindful that the time allocated for today’s discussion may not suffice, there are two issues on which the WG’s thoughts would be appreciated: - The first is whether the WG’s upcoming recommendations to the GNSO Council should not consider to expressly recommend that the Red Cross and Red Crescent names/identifiers be included on a “modified reserved names list” (which I believe is the correct term) in order to preserve the prerogative of concerned Red Cross and Red Crescent organizations to register their own names, should they require to do so in the future. This has, as many WG members will recall been raised in the past (including during the Copenhagen session). Should this not form a part pf the WG’s consideration and conclusion? - The second question is if the Group could give some time of reflection to a point also already addressed in Copenhagen and raised I believe by Chuck during the last call – namely regarding a criteria and an eventual mechanism to allow National Societies to challenge and object to the registration of confusingly similar names. With thanks and looking forward to our conversation later today. Kind regards, Stéphane Stéphane J. Hankins Legal adviser Cooperation and Coordination within the Movement International Committee of the Red Cross Tel (Prof.):++41 22 730 24 19 From: "Berry Cobb" <mail@berrycobb.com> To: <gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org> Date: 17.10.2017 14:57 Subject: [Gnso-igo-ingo] Agenda - Reconvened IGO-INGO Protections PDP Working Group (Red Cross) - 18 October 2017 @ 13:00 UTC Sent by: gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org Dear all, Please find below the proposed agenda for the next Working Group call (scheduled for Wednesday 18 October at 13:00 UTC). As a part of the agenda review, please also review the attached document from Thomas that expands on planned discussions about the next steps for protections of ICRC identifiers. Agenda: (0) Roll call, Agenda bash and SOI Updates (1) Review Original PDP WG recommendation on scope of Red Cross Society identifiers to receive protection and history for how they are currently reserved (2) Review red-line list of DNS labels as provided by the advisors of the ICRC (3) Discuss possible formula to determine which identifiers will receive protection and formulate principles to define the policy (4) ICANN 60 Preparations Thank you B Berry A. 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