Arthur: Respectively, the time for this discussion was pre-2012. It is wholly inappropriate to re-open these issues within the context of Implementation. J. On 9/22/14, 8:44 , "Arthur Zonnenberg" <azonnenberg@hostnet.nl> wrote:
In response to Michele and James, although this discussion should be saved for the next conference: - I am aware of the original report; - I advise to use clear language for implementation, to avoid miscommunication based on wording. IRTP-C simply is not a "Change of Registrant" policy anymore the minute the PDP decided to include a change of e-mail address, which industry wide and stand is known as a "contact update" , originating from the RFC5730 EPP standard.
Although contact create and domain update are also used via EPP, most registrar price lists clearly distinguish a change of registrant price versus a change of contact information price. This distinction is in my experience also regularly communicated to end users.
Since we were discussing definitions 1.b), that includes the definition of the name given to the policy itself. So either we forbid discussions of the definitions or we change it to something that can be implemented or communicated clearly.
Alternatively we can call it a "Change of Control" Policy, with the burden of explaining that to end users (not too dissimilar from the IRTP in general). In any case "Change of Registrant" or "Change of Registrant Information" is incomplete since we apply it to e-mail and admin-c as well and therefore confusing.
I therefore call on the group to include change of control policy metrics, for example about the policy being complained about as confusing in communication (point above), or about changes of registrant/control being failed or abandoned, measuring its effectiveness (see my other comment in the document). We have currently have no data to check whether this policy to be implemented will actually succeed in the majority of user cases in practice. If this is beyond the scope of IRTP-C policy, it will need to be addressed by the to be accepted IRTP-D policy. Or are there alternatives for checking the effect of what we are doing?
Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
Arthur Zonnenberg Product Manager Hostnet bv
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On September 22, 2014 at 3:14 PM "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@godaddy.com> wrote:
Hi Folks:
The IRTP-C recommendations clearly designate a ³Change of Registrant² consensus policy. It also refers to this as a ³change of control,² which would, IMO, include email address since that is the destination address for the FOA/AuthInfo code.
For your convenience, here is a link to the IRTP-C PDP Final Report: http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/irtp-c-final-report-09oct12-en.pdf
Thanks--
J.
On 9/22/14, 7:39 , "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" <michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
Arthur
You cannot simply change it to "change of whois information"
The entire policy is around "change of registrant"
Regards
Michele
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-----Original Message----- From: Arthur Zonnenberg [mailto:azonnenberg@hostnet.nl] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 1:32 PM To: Caitlin Tubergen; Leticia Castillo; gnso-impl-irtpc-rt@icann.org; Batteiger, Simonetta Cc: Amy Bivins; Terri Agnew; Marika Konings; Mike Zupke; Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Glen de Saint Géry; James M. Bladel; Steve Chan; Lars Hoffmann; Nathalie Peregrine Subject: Re: [gnso-impl-irtpc-rt] RE: Save the Date: IRTP-C Teleconference
Hi Everyone,
Some interesting implementation topics were raised during the call, inspiring me to add some edits and comments to be discussed in our next session.
Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
Arthur Zonnenberg Product Manager Hostnet bv
tel: +31.207500834 fax: +31.207500825 mail: azonnenberg@hostnet.nl website: https://www.hostnet.nl
On September 18, 2014 at 7:04 PM "Batteiger, Simonetta" <simonetta@sedo.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone, I apologize for my non working microphone on today's call. Please find a couple of wording suggestions attached for discussion in the group. Simonetta
-----Original Appointment----- From: Caitlin Tubergen [mailto:caitlin.tubergen@icann.org] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:48 AM To: gnso-impl-irtpc-rt@icann.org; Leticia Castillo Cc: Amy Bivins; Steve Chan; Glen de Saint Géry; James M. Bladel; Mike Zupke; Arthur Zonnenberg; Lars Hoffmann; Terri Agnew; Nathalie Peregrine; Marika Konings; Michele Neylon - Blacknight Subject: [gnso-impl-irtpc-rt] Save the Date: IRTP-C Teleconference When: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:00 PM-5:00 PM (UTC) Coordinated Universal Time. Where: Adigo Conference ID: 28462745
Dear all,
The next Inter-Registrar Transfer Policy (IRTP) Part C Implementation Review Team teleconference is scheduled for Thursday 18 September 2014 at 16:00 UTC. 09:00 PDT, 12:00 EDT, 17:00 London, 17:00 CET, 03:00 (+1 day) Sydney.
We will be discussing the draft Change of Registrant Policy, which is attached.
Adigo Conference ID: 28462745
Adigo numbers: http://adigo.com/icann/
Adobe Connect with audio enabled: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/irtppartc/
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Kind regards,
Caitlin Tubergen Registrar Relations and Contracts Manager ICANN
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