Thanks Marika, I just share it with the team. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich ________________________________ Von: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. September 2012 14:34 An: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich Betreff: Re: SCI Hi Wolf, Please see the transcript below. With best regards, Marika Julie Hedlund:Hi Marika I just Julie Hedlund:joined Marika Konings:Hi Julie Marika Konings:Analysis is up now. avri:The opinion that says Avri can be marked as NCSG. J. Scott Evans:I think there has already been an issue, the problem was there was no formal process for considering the issue Ron A:@ Avri: ltd to one to ensure no stonewalling Ron A:BC supports status quo Ron A:Agree with argument; but safeguard the principle Ron A:My point Avri! J. Scott Evans:If we leave it as is, then I think we need be very specific in our reasoning by pointing out that we believe that the Chair has the discretion to deny. That needs to be clearly ennunciated. Ron A:What happens if the chair is biased for or against? Ron A:bias by way of affiliation J. Scott Evans:Good question Anne. J. Scott Evans:I thought Stephane clearly stated that he could NOT deny request because he had no process for doing so. Hence, theis issue coming to the SCIU avri:Except in PDPD's where it has been enshrined, it is just a priactice and practice belongs to the chair. J. Scott Evans:SCI avri:PDP's not PDPD's Anne Aikman-Scalese:Chair cannot choose without authority to do so in governance documents, I think. Anne Aikman-Scalese:Principle should not depend on which particular individual holds the position of Chair of the GNSO. Authority to override a deferral should be clear if it is needed. J. Scott Evans:If you want to keep it as is, I think that we need to clearly state that the Chair has discretion to deny or to put to a vote. Ray Fassett - RySG:agree with J Scott J. Scott Evans:In other words, clearly state that the request does not HAVE to be automatically granted Ron A:@ J +1 Anne Aikman-Scalese:Agree with J. Scott and Ray but we should cite to the basis for this opinion by SCI. Ron A:8 days for larger institutions that make up the BC or ISCP need more than 8 days Avri Ray Fassett - RySG:Anne-perhaps can cite the rationale as the checks balances that exist in procedures for the chair to always act neutral Anne Aikman-Scalese:Yes, but overriding a deferral may not be seen as "neutral". Ray Fassett - RySG:in that situation, there are procedures for others to bring that complaint, I believe Anne Aikman-Scalese:Yes, but do we really want to put the GNSO Chair in that position in relation to complaints? avri:i disagree with coffying what the chair can and can't do. avri:coffying - codifying. Ron A:@ Anne: we are only giving recommendations back to council at teh SCI Ron A:SCI recommendations avri:each chair gets to interpret on her own. Ron A:Let the Chair's authority be challenged by test of the principle avri:and if she is deemd to have done wrong by the g-council, she can be removed or not re-elected. Otherwise we will need 10 volumes of g-council rules. Ray Fassett - RySG:agree with ron and avri Ron A:@ J - fully agree with your summation avri:The working on this goes too far for me. I do not think we should be offereing specific alternatives. Ray Fassett - RySG:agree with j scott Ron A:The reasoning doesn't havet to go to far into the weeds Anne Aikman-Scalese:J. Scott, Are you saying the deferral practice itself is discretionary with the Chair so the denial of a deferral is also discretionary? J. Scott Evans:Anne: Yes, picking up on Avri's point, the deferral practice is courtesy that has historically been extended at the discretion of the Chair. J. Scott Evans:And that there shoujld be no assumption that that disrection must be exercised in all cases. Ron A:Good bye all J. Scott Evans:or extended I should say Ray Fassett - RySG:thanks Wolf Wolf Knoben:Thanks all From: "KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>" <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> Date: Thursday 6 September 2012 05:53 To: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> Subject: SCI Hi Marika, Could you please provide us with the chat of the last SCI meeting? Thanks and Best regards Wolf-Ulrich Knoben