Dear Alain, Thank you for your thoughtful and informative comments. Mikey is right when he says dont worry, we all went through this . All of the old-timers as well as newcomers have experienced feeling this huge chasm of lack of information and fear of speaking up for perhaps sounding foolish And you are correct to a certain extent that there is some merit in growing in ICANN through putting in the years, but with the maturing organization we have today, with all the newcomers, we simply dont have enough mentors to do the job effectively. So now is a good time to address this issue and I believe that the tool kit that we and staff have been talking about for what feels like a long time is within our grasp. An organization can only function effectively when all members are versed in the distinct language of the organization, in my view. The other issue that you touched on made me aware that it seems to be a recurring one amongst all of the volunteers of ICANN and that is our mutual attraction to the great experiment of the multi-stakeholder model. For my part, that is one of the most exciting parts of ICANN and what has kept me in this community for some 13 years or so. It is obviously the same for you, someone more new to the community. So maybe you have identified the glue that brings this disparate community together If everyone kept that element at the forefront of their thoughts when engaging in ICANN work, we would probably have a lot less friction in the organization and find our way to more effective bottom-up decision-making. Thanks again for bringing these ideas to light. Very helpful. Kind regards, RA Ronald N. Andruff RNA <http://www.rnapartners.com> Partners, Inc. _____ From: owner-gnso-irtpc@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-irtpc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alain Berranger Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 11:16 AM To: Ron Andruff Cc: gnso-irtpc@icann.org; Julie Hedlund Subject: Re: [gnso-irtpc] Invitation to Participate in Survey on Working Group Guidelines Hi Ron, I think the survey is just fine to improve/refine the current WG guidelines (For me they do the job in the main, so I think it is more about refining). In my opinion and related to this, I think that what needs attention at ICANN (among many things) is a broader subject than refining the WG guidelines. I am thinking of a more systematic manner for ICANN to get the various categories of newcomers up the learning curve (I know many are working on this - witness inter alia the ICANN Academy discussions - they seem to have fallen of the radar!..and of course the Fellowship Program is quite effective I think). Understanding the stakeholders' landscape and their learning needs requires a thorough analysis of our various stakeholders profiles, their ICANN-related motivation, and basically an understanding of their training needs. If we meet those training needs (in many different ways I suppose), then we will optimize the value, the reality, the sustainability and the functionning of the multi-stakeholder model. Of course, I am of the school of ardent supporters of the MS model as a key distinguishing feature of ICANN and maybe even its key to long-term growth and sustainability. Indeed, I am of the opinion that participating in a WG is a great way to learn (and network to learn) but it is a time-consuming one and seen as risky for many new stakeholders (time commitment, fear of the unknown and of rejection, etc...). When faced with this, and after getting to know Mikey in San José after having joined the IRTP-Part C WG with the view of learning, Mikey told me something like: "don't be discouraged, welcome to the club, we all went through this, it takes at least 2 years, etc...". Beacuse of Mikey's advice, and at time mentoring, I am sticking to the plan, but sure would welcome so learning opportunities a bit more structured! (Thanks Mikey for all the time you have given me!). That said, I wonder now really if this is the better way to go... pay your dues kind of argument... I think that leads to a kind of strong commitment if ones sticks to the strategy, but how many do? and at what cost? I am of the opinion there could be a more systematic way for newcomers to go through some learning modules in a certain systematic order, rather than ad hoc diving in the website or wikipedia, ICANN meetings, WGs... Cheers, Alain On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Ron Andruff <randruff@rnapartners.com> wrote: Thank you, Alain. We appreciate your having filled in the survey and providing your feedback. At the end of the day, we are trying to ascertain if the survey, as detailed, is an effective tool. We would welcome your thoughts on this question. Kind regards, RA Ronald N. Andruff RNA Partners, <http://www.rnapartners.com> Inc. _____ From: owner-gnso-irtpc@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-irtpc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Alain Berranger Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 10:39 AM To: Ron Andruff Cc: gnso-irtpc@icann.org; Julie Hedlund Subject: Re: [gnso-irtpc] Invitation to Participate in Survey on Working Group Guidelines Dear Ron, dear Julie: As you know I took the survey as a member of the SCI and see not usefulness in taking it as a member of IRTP-C WG. I presume that is the correct position. Let me know if you think differently. Cheers, Alain On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Ron Andruff <randruff@rnapartners.com> wrote: Dear IRTP-C Working Group members, As some of you may know, the GNSO Standing Committee on Implementation Improvements (SCI) has developed a survey for GNSO Working Groups, as requested by the GNSO Council, to solicit feedback on the GNSO Working Group Guidelines. As Chair of the SCI, I am contacting your Working Group to invite you to take the survey because you have recently completed your work and, thus, may have valuable insight on the usefulness of the Working Group Guidelines and suggestions for improvements. If you would like to take the survey you may wish to review the Working Group Guidelines and Summary first. Please see the following links to the documents and the survey: Link to the Working Group Guidelines: http://gnso.icann.org/council/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-08apr11-en.pdf Link to the Guidelines Summary: http://gnso.icann.org/council/summary-gnso-wg-guidelines-06apr11-en.pdf Link to Draft Survey for GNSO Working Groups: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/FFTCJPT The SCI appreciates your consideration of this request and we ask that if you wish to complete the survey please do so by **Monday, 25 March 2013.** Thank you for your consideration. Kind regards, Ron Andruff Chair, GNSO Standing Committee on Implementation Improvements Ronald N. 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