RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Dec. 15, 2012
2:22 a.m.
I support the concept of an interim report to be put out to the
community by the GNSO Council upon its suspension of a PDP; however, I'd
like to separate out our actual recommendation (which is to clarify what
and when there is considered to be a suspension of a PDP) with our
opinion as to either the GNSO Council's relationship with/reaction to
Board-directed PDPs or as to appropriate action by the Council in voting
for a suspension.
I'd therefore suggest a slight modification to our Option 3 - take the
language/mention of an interim report out of the sentence containing our
recommendation, and either add a new sentence following that, or create
an additional, related recommendation, stating that "The SCI recommends
that, in cases of suspension of a Board-directed PDP, the GNSO Council
issues an interim report stating the reasons for such suspension to the
community." Or something along those lines.
Cheers
Mary
Mary W S Wong
Professor of Law
Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP
Chair, Graduate IP Programs
UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW
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>>> "Ron Andruff" 12/14/12 3:13 PM >>>
Dear all,
Recognizing that I am not yet installed asthe Chair of the SCI until our
next meeting this coming Thursday (Dec. 20th),yet being responsible for
that meeting, (forgive me Wolf-Ulrich) I have tworequests:
(1) It would be very helpful if all SCImembers would look at where we
are with the Suspending a PDP--ProposedRevised Footnote and add your
thoughts. The most recent exchanges onthat thread are noted below. It
appears that we have found a way forward, butthis needs to be confirmed
by all members.
(2) I would also ask everyone to take afew minutes to complete the
Survey that Julie sent around again today with herrequest that we all
fill it out and note our experience and thoughts aboutamendments. She
has asked for this to be done by Wednesday, Dec. 19th,so please do take
a few minutes if you can spare them during this busy lead upto Christmas
so that we can have a productive discussion.
Thank you all in advance for attending tothese two outstanding items.
Kind regards,
RA
Ronald N. Andruff
RNA Partners, Inc.
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Subject: RE:[gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
Ron, I would certainly support that notionin the interest of
accountability and transparency.
Anne E.Aikman-Scalese
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Subject: RE:[gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
Question for all re: an interim status report to the ICANN Board
If I understand Annes line ofthinking, the concern is about how to deal
specifically with Board requestedPDPs that are suspended. However,
option 3 sounds like we arerecommending that the Board receive an
interim report whether they haveinitiated the PDP or not. This is a
significant change and would only addmore to the Boards already full
plate, in my view.
That said, in circumstance where asuspension has been called for, I do
see the merit of requesting that Councilgenerate an interim report and
post it to inform the entire communityof the suspension and reason(s)
for which it was suspended. That would bequite logical in the larger
scheme of things.
Anne, please correct me if I am wrong.
Kind regards,
RA
Ronald N. Andruff
RNA Partners, Inc.
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To: 'KnobenW@telekom.de'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
Subject: RE:[gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
I would propose a third option:
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there isa
temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an
interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of
the GNSO Council until furthernotice. A mere change in milestones or
schedule of the PDP is notconsidered a suspension.
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From: KnobenW@telekom.de[mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de]
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Subject: AW:[gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
All,
from the list I did not understand a clearobjection against sending the
draft motion to the council with the option ofwithdrawing it if there
can't be found SCI consensus. So I took thisresponsibility and did it to
preserve this chance.
I'd like to encourage all of us tocontinue working at a solution re the
footnote. 2 suggestions are at the table:
1. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is
atemporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
decisionof the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in
milestones orschedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
1.
Suspensionis a STATEDtime interval during which there is a temporary
cessation of thePDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of
the GNSO Council, subject to ICANN Boardreview in those cases where the
Board has requested GNSO input. A mere change inmilestones or schedule
of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there isa
temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an
interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of
the GNSO Council until furthernotice. A mere change in milestones or
schedule of the PDP is notconsidered a suspension.
Please comment.
I wonder what how to proceed if therewill be no consensus found at thew
time being. On the one hand I've got theimpression that a majority would
be satisfied with suggestion #1 but also opento find a solution which
doesn't cause the need for another public commentperiod.
In case of no consensus we could also -as we did with other items
discussed at the SCI - report to the councilwhere we are, that there has
been a public comment period successfullyfinished, but there are still
concerns which would prevent the SCI fromconsensus. The council may then
decide how to deal with the (publiclycommented) text.
I would be thankful hearing yourassessment on and under which conditions
consensus could still be achieved.
Bestregards
Wolf-Ulrich
Von: Aikman-Scalese, Anne [mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Dezember2012 03:13
An:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich
Betreff: RE:[gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
Ido not believe that this "negative response" mechanism is inaccordance
with the full consensus process. I also believe I spoke against thisat
the last reading. Anne
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From: KnobenW@telekom.de[KnobenW@telekom.de]
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To:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]
Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc]Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
All,
per its charter, the SCI is expected totake decisions using a 'full
consensus' process ("when no one in the groupspeaks against the
recommendation in its last readings").
Obviously it would be ideal if allmembers support a certain position.
It would also be ideal if we findconsensus today which is the deadline
for motions before the next counciilmeeting. But in order to reduce time
pressure I could imagine the option tosubmit the draft motion today,
noting that there are some issues that arestill being discussed by the
SCI which may result in withdrawal of the motionand agenda item if no
agreement can be found.
If there is no objectionI'll do so accordingly at the end of the day.
Thanks for this valuable discussion andfor your understanding.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>
To: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com>,"KnobenW@telekom.de"
<KnobenW@telekom.de>
Cc: "AAikman@lrlaw.com" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>, "avri@acm.org"
<avri@acm.org>,
"gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org"<gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
PDP--ProposedRevised Footnote
Alain,
Oneconsideration is that if we add that language it is a substantive
change fromthe original footnote text. The previous suggestion * adding
theword "stated" and deleting "until further notice" --- wasdeemed by
the SCI to be a minor clarification and thus didn't require us toopen a
Public Comment Forum on new language. As discussed during
lastThursday's meeting, any substantive change to the text that was
presented inthe public comment period that just ended on 03 December
would require that therevised text go out for public comment again at a
minimum of 21 days. Staff pointed out that with the holiday we would
probably need a longerperiod, perhaps 30 days.
Withbest regards,
Julie
JulieHedlund, Policy Director
From:Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:41 PM
To: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben <KnobenW@telekom.de>
Cc: "AAikman@lrlaw.com" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>, "avri@acm.org"
<avri@acm.org>,
"gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org"<gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
PDP--ProposedRevised Footnote
Canwe simply insert that: ... when judged necessary by the Council, the
GNSO Chaircan clarify with the Board any required change in scope,
timing, andpriority...
Alain
OnTue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
We all stick to find consensus. I didn't want to suppress any
discussion, justbring it to the point.
First the wording must be accepted by all of us, then the procedure
should beagreed.
Anne, do you have a suggestion for the wording which could incorporate
theconcern? Or do others have?
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Auftrag von Aikman-Scalese, Anne
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 17:45
An: 'Avri Doria'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending
aPDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Avri, thanks for sticking up for the process of consensus. I don't
thinkwe are unanimous.
Anne
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Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:39 AM
To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
PDP--ProposedRevised Footnote
Hi,
Are we unanimous on this issue? I had the impression Anne was
stillconcerned.
avri
On 11 Dec 2012, at 14:28, <KnobenW@telekom.de><KnobenW@telekom.de>
wrote:
> Thanks Marika for clarification.
>
> I'll forward the motion (clear) attached with the revised
footnote(redline) to the council list by tomorrows deadline for the 20
Dec councilmeeting.
>
>
> Best regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 10:52
> An: Aikman-Scalese, Anne; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; avri@acm.org;
> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> Betreff: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Anne, Staff typically provides the Board with status updates on issues
> that are of significant interest to the Board, but there are also
> examples of direct communication between the GNSO Council and the
> Board after the GNSO Council decided to terminate a PDP that had been
> initiated to provide input to the ICANN Board (see for example
theVertical Integration PDP:
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg09754.html).
> It is then up to the Board to decide how to proceed. For example, in
> the case of vertical integration, the Board made the following
> decision, absent GNSO Council recommendations:
>
http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-09nov10-en.htm.
>
> With best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> On 10/12/12 19:19, "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com> wrote:
>
>> Many thanks, Marika - very helpful. Whether or not the Boardcalls
>> its questions a "Request for an Issue Report" that thenresults in
>> initiation of a PDP seems less important substantively than the
>> reference to continuing consultation with the Board as to "scope,
>> timing, and priority". This discussion illustrates why I thinkthere
>> has to be some provision for communication with or involvement of the
>> Board in connection with a GNSO vote to suspend a PDP which is
>> commenced as a result of a Board request for "answers" orfor an
>> Issue Report. A unilateral suspension by GNSO of a PDP (even on
>> Supermajority vote) where the PDP was initiated as a result of such a
>> Board request, is problematic if the Board needs to act. Is there a
>> provision for providing the Board with a full report as to the status
>> of the PDP and maybe summarizing the differing opinions expressed
>> where no consensus was reached in the event of termination or
>> suspension? We should not leave the Board in the position whereit
>> has to say, "We cannot act because the GNSO has not acted and hasnot
>> answered our questions." This is particularlyunsatisfactory where
the GAC has asked the Board to address an issue.
>> Anne
>>
>>
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>> Of Counsel
>> Lewis and Roca LLP . Suite 700
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>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]On Behalf Of Marika
>> Konings
>> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 4:05 AM
>> To: KnobenW@telekom.de; avri@acm.org; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>> Subject: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>
>> To clarify, there are currently two Board requested PDPs, one on the
>> RAA ('Resolved (2011.10.28.33), the Board also requests the creation
>> of an Issue Report to undertake a GNSO policy development process
>> (PDP) as quickly as possible to address remaining items suited for a
>> PDP) and the recently requested Issue Report on the purpose of Whois
>> ('hereby directs preparation of an Issue Report on the purpose of
>> collecting and maintaining gTLD registration data, and on solutions
>> to improve accuracy and access to gTLD registration data, as part of
>> a Board-initiated GNSO policy development process'). As pointed out
>> by Avri, for PDPs initiated by the ICANN Board, there is no
>> intermediate vote by the GNSO Council, the PDP automatically
>> proceeds. However, the ICANN Bylaws foresee that in the case of a
>> Board initiated PDP, 'the Board should provide a mechanism by which
>> the GNSO Council can consult with the Board to provideinformation
>> on the scope, timing, and priority of the request for an Issue
>> Report'. In addition to this mechanism, the ICANN Board and GNSO
>> Council meet at every ICANN meeting where there is another
>> opportunity to discuss and/or express concerns with regard to Board
>> requested PDPs. For example, in relation to the RAA PDP, as a result
>> of dialogue between the ICANN Board and GNSO Council it was agreed to
>> 'suspend' the PDP until the RAA negotiations were near completion
sothat it would be clear which topics would need to be included in the
PDP.
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> Marika
>>
>> On 09/12/12 08:12, "KnobenW@telekom.de"<KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Avri, very helpful for understanding.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]Im Auftrag von Avri
>>> Doria
>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Dezember 2012 05:39
>>> An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>> Betreff: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As I understand it, they have asked g-council for answers, but they
>>> have not actually used the by-laws mechanism of requesting a PDP.
>>> The g-council has used the PDP as a method of deciding on answers.
>>> These are still g-council initiated PDPs. Had the Boardasked for
>>> the PDP, there never would have been a vote in g-council toinitiate
the PDP.
>>> Specifically:
>>>
>>> "
>>> March 212 20120314-1
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process (PDP)
on'thick'
>>> Whois
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on 'thick'Whois
>>> at its meeting on 22 September 2011
>>> (seehttp://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109);
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> "
>>> November 2012 20121017-2
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process on the
>>> Protection of Certain International Organization Names in allGTLDs.
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on the topic of
>>> whether ICANN should approve additional protections for the names of
>>> international organizations at the first and second levels in the
>>> New gTLD Program.
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> Under the by-laws, ANNEX A: GNSO POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
>>>
>>> "
>>> Section 3. Requesting an Issue Report
>>>
>>> Board Request. The Board may request an Issue Report byinstructing
>>> the GNSO Council ("Council") to begin the processoutlined the PDP
Manual.
>>> In the event the Board makes a request for an Issue Report, the
>>> Board should provide a mechanism by which the GNSO Council can
>>> consult with the Board to provide information on the scope,timing,
>>> and priority of the request for an Issue Report.
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> Section 5. Initiation of the PDP
>>>
>>> The Council may initiate the PDP as follows:
>>>
>>> Board Request: If the Board requested an Issue Report, theCouncil,
>>> within the timeframe set forth in thePDP Manual, shall initiate
aPDP.
>>> No vote is required for such action.
>>> "
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 Dec 2012, at 03:20, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:
>>>
>>>> Must be my misunderstanding... I thought both the currentwhois PDP
>>>> and IOC RC NGO PDP were requested by the ICANN Board. Anne
>>>>
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ron Andruff [randruff@rnapartners.com]
>>>> Received: Saturday, 08 Dec 2012, 3:06pm
>>>> To: 'Avri Doria' [avri@acm.org];gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]
>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I support Avri's comments as well. The Board's role isto commit
>>>> policy that has been developed through the bottom upprocess into
>>>> rule by way of resolution. Although the history ofthe Board's
>>>> actions to date might prove otherwise, in anever-maturing ICANN
>>>> environment we should expect the Board to conform toICANN's basic
>>>> principles.
>>>>
>>>> I support the footnote amendment as proposed.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> RA
>>>>
>>>> Ronald N. Andruff
>>>> RNA Partners, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]On Behalf Of Avri
>>>> Doria
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:47 AM
>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think the question of what the Board would do if g-councilever
>>>> suspended a PDP that they mandated is an open question. I expect
>>>> they would either wait, question the postponement, ormake one
>>>> their preemptory decisions.
>>>> Since the Board has never yet, to my knowledge, mandated a PDP-
>>>> though they can - I do not think it is a critical issueat this
>>>> point, and in any case think it is a separate issue fromthe
>>>> suspension mechanism. All other PDPs are g-councildecsions, even
>>>> if the issues report is requested by one of the ACs.
>>>>
>>>> I am fine with the footnote. thanks.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 Dec 2012, at 18:26, <KnobenW@telekom.de> <KnobenW@telekom.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anne and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> this touches the question whether the board may overrule acouncil
>>>> decision on suspension because you're expressing anexpectation
>>>> that the council should follow a related board request.I think
>>>> this could be the case depending on a council debatefollowing the
>>>> board request but there is no obligation to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> With this understanding, an you agree to the footnoteprovided by
>>>> Julie?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]Im Auftrag von
>>>> Aikman-Scalese, Anne
>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Dezember 2012 18:43
>>>>> An: 'J. Scott Evans'; Julie Hedlund;
>>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>>> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW:Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> This makes sense. Is it clear to everyone that ifthe ICANN Board
>>>> says,
>>>> "Sorry, GNSO, we don't want you to suspend because weneed an
>>>> answer
>>>> - go back to the drawing board," then that iswhat will happen?
>>>>>
>>>>> Deadlock is deadly for ICANN. If GNSO can't workeffectively and
>>>>> the
>>>> Board has to act (pursuant to GAC Advice or otherwise), thenFadi's
>>>> "oasis"
>>>> announced in Dubaibecomes more of a "quagmire" and pressure
>>>> increases to take control away from ICANN.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only raise this because it seems to me the question willcome up
>>>>> at
>>>> the
>>>> GNSO level.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anne
>>>>>
>>>>> Anne E. Aikman-Scalese Of CounselLewis and Roca LLP
>>>>> . Suite 700 One South Church Avenue . Tucson, Arizona 85701-1611
>>>>> Tel (520)629-4428 . Fax (520)879-4725 AAikman@LRLaw.com .
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>>>>>
>>>>> From: J. Scott Evans [mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:20 AM
>>>>> To: Julie Hedlund; Aikman-Scalese, Anne;
>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW:Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> I can live with that and I don't think this requirefurther public
>>>> comment
>>>> since it merely clarifies the suspension.
>>>>>
>>>>> jse
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>
>>>>> To: "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>;
>>>> "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org"<gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW:Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Anne. Then, would you want "untilfurther notice" to be
>>>> deleted?
>>>> If so, here's an amended text for all to review.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during whichthere is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council. A mere change inmilestones or
>>>> schedule of the PDP is not considered asuspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> From: , Anne <AAikman@LRLaw.com>
>>>>> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:32 PM
>>>>> To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org"
>>>> <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>,
>>>> Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>
>>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW:Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the relationship between "stated" and"until further
notice"?
>>>> If
>>>> "stated" applies, then it seems that "untilfurther notice" would
>>>> not apply.
>>>> Anne
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund [julie.hedlund@icann.org]
>>>>> Received: Thursday, 06 Dec 2012, 2:15pm
>>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]
>>>>> Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed
>>>> Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear SCI members,
>>>>>
>>>>> As we discussed on today's call, J. Scott has proposed a
>>>> clarification to
>>>> the footnote text for the PDP Manual, Section 15, onSuspending a
PDP.
>>>> Please review the revised following text with the change inbold
>>>> all
>>>> caps:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during whichthere is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. Amere change
>>>> in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered
asuspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> For reference, I have included the entire section below sothat
>>>>> the
>>>> footnote may be viewed in context.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was suggested on the call that if this clarification is
>>>>> accepted
>>>> by the
>>>> SCI members it will not require a new public comment period.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Please send any comments by COB Monday, 10 December sothat if
>>>>> the
>>>> SCI
>>>> decides to submit a motion it may do so by the deadline of
>>>> Wednesday,
>>>> 12
>>>> December.**
>>>>>
>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>>>>>
>>>>> 15. Termination of PDP prior to Final Report
>>>>>
>>>>> The GNSO Council may terminate or suspend[1] a PDP priorto the
>>>> publication of a Final Report only for significant cause, upona
>>>> motion that passes with a Supermajority Vote in favourof
>>>> termination orsuspension.
>>>> The
>>>> following are illustrative examples of possible reasons for a
>>>> premature termination or suspension of a PDP:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Deadlock. The PDP Team is hopelesslydeadlocked and unable
to
>>>> identify recommendations or statements that have either thestrong
>>>> support or a consensus of its members despitesignificant time and
>>>> resources being dedicated to the PDP;
>>>>> 2. Changing Circumstances. Events haveoccurred since the
>>>> initiation
>>>> of the PDP that have rendered the PDP moot, or no longernecessary;
>>>> or warranting a suspension; or
>>>>> 3. Lack of Community Volunteers. Despiteseveral calls for
>>>> participation, the work of the PDP Team issignificantlyimpaired
>>>> and unable to effectively conclude its deliberations dueto lack
>>>> of volunteer participation.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is no recommendation from the PDP Team for its
>>>>> termination,
>>>> the
>>>> Council is required to conduct a public comment forum firstprior
>>>> to conducting a vote on the termination of the PDP (asdescribed
above).
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] Suspension is a STATED time interval during whichthere is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until furthernotice. A merechange in
>>>> milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered asuspension.
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New subject: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Just a minor note that at this point we were not limiting the interim status report to any "Board-directed PDP". I think the simplest add would be to require an interim status report to the GNSO Council, e.g. "all activities (other than an interim status report to the Council) will halt." Then SCI could recommend that the interim status report be published to the entire community. Anne
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I support the concept of an interim report to be put out to the community by the GNSO Council upon its suspension of a PDP; however, I'd like to separate out our actual recommendation (which is to clarify what and when there is considered to be a suspension of a PDP) with our opinion as to either the GNSO Council's relationship with/reaction to Board-directed PDPs or as to appropriate action by the Council in voting for a suspension.
I'd therefore suggest a slight modification to our Option 3 - take the language/mention of an interim report out of the sentence containing our recommendation, and either add a new sentence following that, or create an additional, related recommendation, stating that "The SCI recommends that, in cases of suspension of a Board-directed PDP, the GNSO Council issues an interim report stating the reasons for such suspension to the community." Or something along those lines.
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>>> "Ron Andruff" 12/14/12 3:13 PM >>>
Dear all,
Recognizing that I am not yet installed as the Chair of the SCI until our next meeting this coming Thursday (Dec. 20th), yet being responsible for that meeting, (forgive me Wolf-Ulrich) I have two requests:
(1) It would be very helpful if all SCI members would look at where we are with the ?Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote? and add your thoughts. The most recent exchanges on that thread are noted below. It appears that we have found a way forward, but this needs to be confirmed by all members.
(2) I would also ask everyone to take a few minutes to complete the Survey that Julie sent around again today with her request that we all fill it out and note our experience and thoughts about amendments. She has asked for this to be done by Wednesday, Dec. 19th, so please do take a few minutes if you can spare them during this busy lead up to Christmas so that we can have a productive discussion.
Thank you all in advance for attending to these two outstanding items.
Kind regards,
RA
Ronald N. Andruff
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Ron, I would certainly support that notion in the interest of accountability and transparency.
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Question for all re: an interim status report to the ICANN Board
If I understand Anne?s line of thinking, the concern is about how to deal specifically with Board requested PDPs that are suspended. However, option 3 sounds like we are recommending that the Board receive an interim report whether they have initiated the PDP or not. This is a significant change and would only add more to the Board?s already full plate, in my view.
That said, in circumstance where a suspension has been called for, I do see the merit of requesting that Council generate an interim report and post it to inform the entire community of the suspension and reason(s) for which it was suspended. That would be quite logical in the larger scheme of things.
Anne, please correct me if I am wrong.
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I would propose a third option:
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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Subject: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All,
from the list I did not understand a clear objection against sending the draft motion to the council with the option of withdrawing it if there can't be found SCI consensus. So I took this responsibility and did it to preserve this chance.
I'd like to encourage all of us to continue working at a solution re the footnote. 2 suggestions are at the table:
1. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
1.
Suspension is a STATEDtime interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council, subject to ICANN Board review in those cases where the Board has requested GNSO input. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
Please comment.
I wonder what how to proceed if there will be no consensus found at thew time being. On the one hand I've got the impression that a majority would be satisfied with suggestion #1 but also open to find a solution which doesn't cause the need for another public comment period.
In case of no consensus we could also - as we did with other items discussed at the SCI - report to the council where we are, that there has been a public comment period successfully finished, but there are still concerns which would prevent the SCI from consensus. The council may then decide how to deal with the (publicly commented) text.
I would be thankful hearing your assessment on and under which conditions consensus could still be achieved.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Von: Aikman-Scalese, Anne [mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Dezember 2012 03:13
An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich
Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I do not believe that this "negative response" mechanism is in accordance with the full consensus process. I also believe I spoke against this at the last reading. Anne
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Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All,
per its charter, the SCI is expected to take decisions using a 'full consensus' process ("when no one in the group speaks against the recommendation in its last readings").
Obviously it would be ideal if all members support a certain position.
It would also be ideal if we find consensus today which is the deadline for motions before the next counciil meeting. But in order to reduce time pressure I could imagine the option to submit the draft motion today, noting that there are some issues that are still being discussed by the SCI which may result in withdrawal of the motion and agenda item if no agreement can be found.
If there is no objection I'll do so accordingly at the end of the day.
Thanks for this valuable discussion and for your understanding.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>
To: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com<mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com>>, "KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>" <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>>
Cc: "AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>, "avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>" <avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>>, "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Alain,
One consideration is that if we add that language it is a substantive change from the original footnote text. The previous suggestion ? adding the word "stated" and deleting "until further notice" --- was deemed by the SCI to be a minor clarification and thus didn't require us to open a Public Comment Forum on new language. As discussed during last Thursday's meeting, any substantive change to the text that was presented in the public comment period that just ended on 03 December would require that the revised text go out for public comment again at a minimum of 21 days. Staff pointed out that with the holiday we would probably need a longer period, perhaps 30 days.
With best regards,
Julie
Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
From: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com<mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com>>
Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:41 PM
To: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>>
Cc: "AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>, "avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>" <avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>>, "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Can we simply insert that: ... when judged necessary by the Council, the GNSO Chair can clarify with the Board any required change in scope, timing, and priority...
Alain
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
We all stick to find consensus. I didn't want to suppress any discussion, just bring it to the point.
First the wording must be accepted by all of us, then the procedure should be agreed.
Anne, do you have a suggestion for the wording which could incorporate the concern? Or do others have?
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Avri, thanks for sticking up for the process of consensus. I don't think we are unanimous.
Anne
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Hi,
Are we unanimous on this issue? I had the impression Anne was still concerned.
avri
On 11 Dec 2012, at 14:28, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
> Thanks Marika for clarification.
>
> I'll forward the motion (clear) attached with the revised footnote (redline) to the council list by tomorrows deadline for the 20 Dec council meeting.
>
>
> Best regards
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>
>
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> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 10:52
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> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Anne, Staff typically provides the Board with status updates on issues
> that are of significant interest to the Board, but there are also
> examples of direct communication between the GNSO Council and the
> Board after the GNSO Council decided to terminate a PDP that had been
> initiated to provide input to the ICANN Board (see for example the Vertical Integration PDP:
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg09754.html).
> It is then up to the Board to decide how to proceed. For example, in
> the case of vertical integration, the Board made the following
> decision, absent GNSO Council recommendations:
> http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-09nov10-en.htm.
>
> With best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> On 10/12/12 19:19, "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>> wrote:
>
>> Many thanks, Marika - very helpful. Whether or not the Board calls
>> its questions a "Request for an Issue Report" that then results in
>> initiation of a PDP seems less important substantively than the
>> reference to continuing consultation with the Board as to "scope,
>> timing, and priority". This discussion illustrates why I think there
>> has to be some provision for communication with or involvement of the
>> Board in connection with a GNSO vote to suspend a PDP which is
>> commenced as a result of a Board request for "answers" or for an
>> Issue Report. A unilateral suspension by GNSO of a PDP (even on
>> Supermajority vote) where the PDP was initiated as a result of such a
>> Board request, is problematic if the Board needs to act. Is there a
>> provision for providing the Board with a full report as to the status
>> of the PDP and maybe summarizing the differing opinions expressed
>> where no consensus was reached in the event of termination or
>> suspension? We should not leave the Board in the position where it
>> has to say, "We cannot act because the GNSO has not acted and has not
>> answered our questions." This is particularly unsatisfactory where the GAC has asked the Board to address an issue.
>> Anne
>>
>>
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>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Marika
>> Konings
>> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 4:05 AM
>> To: KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>; avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>
>> To clarify, there are currently two Board requested PDPs, one on the
>> RAA ('Resolved (2011.10.28.33), the Board also requests the creation
>> of an Issue Report to undertake a GNSO policy development process
>> (PDP) as quickly as possible to address remaining items suited for a
>> PDP) and the recently requested Issue Report on the purpose of Whois
>> ('hereby directs preparation of an Issue Report on the purpose of
>> collecting and maintaining gTLD registration data, and on solutions
>> to improve accuracy and access to gTLD registration data, as part of
>> a Board-initiated GNSO policy development process'). As pointed out
>> by Avri, for PDPs initiated by the ICANN Board, there is no
>> intermediate vote by the GNSO Council, the PDP automatically
>> proceeds. However, the ICANN Bylaws foresee that in the case of a
>> Board initiated PDP, 'the Board should provide a mechanism by which
>> the GNSO Council can consult with the Board to provide information
>> on the scope, timing, and priority of the request for an Issue
>> Report'. In addition to this mechanism, the ICANN Board and GNSO
>> Council meet at every ICANN meeting where there is another
>> opportunity to discuss and/or express concerns with regard to Board
>> requested PDPs. For example, in relation to the RAA PDP, as a result
>> of dialogue between the ICANN Board and GNSO Council it was agreed to
>> 'suspend' the PDP until the RAA negotiations were near completion so that it would be clear which topics would need to be included in the PDP.
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> Marika
>>
>> On 09/12/12 08:12, "KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>" <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Avri, very helpful for understanding.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] Im Auftrag von Avri
>>> Doria
>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Dezember 2012 05:39
>>> An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>> Betreff: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As I understand it, they have asked g-council for answers, but they
>>> have not actually used the by-laws mechanism of requesting a PDP.
>>> The g-council has used the PDP as a method of deciding on answers.
>>> These are still g-council initiated PDPs. Had the Board asked for
>>> the PDP, there never would have been a vote in g-council to initiate the PDP.
>>> Specifically:
>>>
>>> "
>>> March 212 20120314-1
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process (PDP) on 'thick'
>>> Whois
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on 'thick' Whois
>>> at its meeting on 22 September 2011
>>> (seehttp://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109<http://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109>);
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> "
>>> November 2012 20121017-2
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process on the
>>> Protection of Certain International Organization Names in all GTLDs.
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on the topic of
>>> whether ICANN should approve additional protections for the names of
>>> international organizations at the first and second levels in the
>>> New gTLD Program.
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> Under the by-laws, ANNEX A: GNSO POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
>>>
>>> "
>>> Section 3. Requesting an Issue Report
>>>
>>> Board Request. The Board may request an Issue Report by instructing
>>> the GNSO Council ("Council") to begin the process outlined the PDP Manual.
>>> In the event the Board makes a request for an Issue Report, the
>>> Board should provide a mechanism by which the GNSO Council can
>>> consult with the Board to provide information on the scope, timing,
>>> and priority of the request for an Issue Report.
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> Section 5. Initiation of the PDP
>>>
>>> The Council may initiate the PDP as follows:
>>>
>>> Board Request: If the Board requested an Issue Report, the Council,
>>> within the timeframe set forth in thePDP Manual, shall initiate a PDP.
>>> No vote is required for such action.
>>> "
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 Dec 2012, at 03:20, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:
>>>
>>>> Must be my misunderstanding... I thought both the current whois PDP
>>>> and IOC RC NGO PDP were requested by the ICANN Board. Anne
>>>>
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ron Andruff [randruff@rnapartners.com<mailto:randruff@rnapartners.com>]
>>>> Received: Saturday, 08 Dec 2012, 3:06pm
>>>> To: 'Avri Doria' [avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>]; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>]
>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I support Avri's comments as well. The Board's role is to commit
>>>> policy that has been developed through the bottom up process into
>>>> rule by way of resolution. Although the history of the Board's
>>>> actions to date might prove otherwise, in an ever-maturing ICANN
>>>> environment we should expect the Board to conform to ICANN's basic
>>>> principles.
>>>>
>>>> I support the footnote amendment as proposed.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> RA
>>>>
>>>> Ronald N. Andruff
>>>> RNA Partners, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Avri
>>>> Doria
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:47 AM
>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think the question of what the Board would do if g-council ever
>>>> suspended a PDP that they mandated is an open question. I expect
>>>> they would either wait, question the postponement, or make one
>>>> their preemptory decisions.
>>>> Since the Board has never yet, to my knowledge, mandated a PDP -
>>>> though they can - I do not think it is a critical issue at this
>>>> point, and in any case think it is a separate issue from the
>>>> suspension mechanism. All other PDPs are g-council decsions, even
>>>> if the issues report is requested by one of the ACs.
>>>>
>>>> I am fine with the footnote. thanks.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 Dec 2012, at 18:26, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anne and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> this touches the question whether the board may overrule a council
>>>> decision on suspension because you're expressing an expectation
>>>> that the council should follow a related board request. I think
>>>> this could be the case depending on a council debate following the
>>>> board request but there is no obligation to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> With this understanding, an you agree to the footnote provided by
>>>> Julie?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] Im Auftrag von
>>>> Aikman-Scalese, Anne
>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Dezember 2012 18:43
>>>>> An: 'J. Scott Evans'; Julie Hedlund;
>>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> This makes sense. Is it clear to everyone that if the ICANN Board
>>>> says,
>>>> "Sorry, GNSO, we don't want you to suspend because we need an
>>>> answer
>>>> - go back to the drawing board," then that is what will happen?
>>>>>
>>>>> Deadlock is deadly for ICANN. If GNSO can't work effectively and
>>>>> the
>>>> Board has to act (pursuant to GAC Advice or otherwise), then Fadi's
>>>> "oasis"
>>>> announced in Dubai becomes more of a "quagmire" and pressure
>>>> increases to take control away from ICANN.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only raise this because it seems to me the question will come up
>>>>> at
>>>> the
>>>> GNSO level.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anne
>>>>>
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>>>>> From: J. Scott Evans [mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com>]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:20 AM
>>>>> To: Julie Hedlund; Aikman-Scalese, Anne;
>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> I can live with that and I don't think this require further public
>>>> comment
>>>> since it merely clarifies the suspension.
>>>>>
>>>>> jse
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>
>>>>> To: "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>;
>>>> "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Anne. Then, would you want "until further notice" to be
>>>> deleted?
>>>> If so, here's an amended text for all to review.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council. A mere change in milestones or
>>>> schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@LRLaw.com<mailto:AAikman@LRLaw.com>>
>>>>> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:32 PM
>>>>> To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>"
>>>> <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>,
>>>> Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>
>>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the relationship between "stated" and "until further notice"?
>>>> If
>>>> "stated" applies, then it seems that "until further notice" would
>>>> not apply.
>>>> Anne
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund [julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>]
>>>>> Received: Thursday, 06 Dec 2012, 2:15pm
>>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>]
>>>>> Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed
>>>> Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear SCI members,
>>>>>
>>>>> As we discussed on today's call, J. Scott has proposed a
>>>> clarification to
>>>> the footnote text for the PDP Manual, Section 15, on Suspending a PDP.
>>>> Please review the revised following text with the change in bold
>>>> all
>>>> caps:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change
>>>> in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> For reference, I have included the entire section below so that
>>>>> the
>>>> footnote may be viewed in context.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was suggested on the call that if this clarification is
>>>>> accepted
>>>> by the
>>>> SCI members it will not require a new public comment period.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Please send any comments by COB Monday, 10 December so that if
>>>>> the
>>>> SCI
>>>> decides to submit a motion it may do so by the deadline of
>>>> Wednesday,
>>>> 12
>>>> December.**
>>>>>
>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>>>>>
>>>>> 15. Termination of PDP prior to Final Report
>>>>>
>>>>> The GNSO Council may terminate or suspend[1] a PDP prior to the
>>>> publication of a Final Report only for significant cause, upon a
>>>> motion that passes with a Supermajority Vote in favour of
>>>> termination orsuspension.
>>>> The
>>>> following are illustrative examples of possible reasons for a
>>>> premature termination or suspension of a PDP:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Deadlock. The PDP Team is hopelessly deadlocked and unable to
>>>> identify recommendations or statements that have either the strong
>>>> support or a consensus of its members despite significant time and
>>>> resources being dedicated to the PDP;
>>>>> 2. Changing Circumstances. Events have occurred since the
>>>> initiation
>>>> of the PDP that have rendered the PDP moot, or no longer necessary;
>>>> or warranting a suspension; or
>>>>> 3. Lack of Community Volunteers. Despite several calls for
>>>> participation, the work of the PDP Team issignificantly impaired
>>>> and unable to effectively conclude its deliberations due to lack
>>>> of volunteer participation.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is no recommendation from the PDP Team for its
>>>>> termination,
>>>> the
>>>> Council is required to conduct a public comment forum first prior
>>>> to conducting a vote on the termination of the PDP (as described above).
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until furthernotice. A mere change in
>>>> milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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New subject: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All, it may be worth pointing out that for every PDP as well as non-PDP, there are regular status updates already provided. For example, the GNSO project list which is updated on a monthly basis (see http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/pending-projects-list.pdf). Also, each project has their own page on the GNSO web-site which is updated with every milestone activity (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active-groups.htm). In addition, each resolution that is adopted by the GNSO Council contains the rationale for that decision in the 'whereas' clauses (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/resolutions).
It should also be noted that an 'interim status report' is currently not defined in the PDP Manual (what would need to be in there, who is responsible for preparing it, would it need to be adopted by a vote of the GNSO Council?). Furthermore, in addition to the Board, ICANN Advisory Committees can also request Issue Reports, but they have not been considered in this conversation.
As a result, I would really like to encourage the SCI to review this issue in a broader context (if/when/how should PDP status updates be provided to entities other than the GNSO Council during the lifespan of a PDP, taking into account all the different communication tools already in place) as part of the overall review of the PDP, instead of applying a bandaid here to a wound that has not even manifested itself.
Best regards,
Marika
From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>
Date: Saturday 15 December 2012 18:58
To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>, "randruff@rnapartners.com<mailto:randruff@rnapartners.com>" <randruff@rnapartners.com<mailto:randruff@rnapartners.com>>, "Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>" <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>>
Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Just a minor note that at this point we were not limiting the interim status report to any "Board-directed PDP". I think the simplest add would be to require an interim status report to the GNSO Council, e.g. "all activities (other than an interim status report to the Council) will halt." Then SCI could recommend that the interim status report be published to the entire community. Anne
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I support the concept of an interim report to be put out to the community by the GNSO Council upon its suspension of a PDP; however, I'd like to separate out our actual recommendation (which is to clarify what and when there is considered to be a suspension of a PDP) with our opinion as to either the GNSO Council's relationship with/reaction to Board-directed PDPs or as to appropriate action by the Council in voting for a suspension.
I'd therefore suggest a slight modification to our Option 3 - take the language/mention of an interim report out of the sentence containing our recommendation, and either add a new sentence following that, or create an additional, related recommendation, stating that "The SCI recommends that, in cases of suspension of a Board-directed PDP, the GNSO Council issues an interim report stating the reasons for such suspension to the community." Or something along those lines.
Cheers
Mary
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>>> "Ron Andruff" 12/14/12 3:13 PM >>>
Dear all,
Recognizing that I am not yet installed as the Chair of the SCI until our next meeting this coming Thursday (Dec. 20th), yet being responsible for that meeting, (forgive me Wolf-Ulrich) I have two requests:
(1) It would be very helpful if all SCI members would look at where we are with the ?Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote? and add your thoughts. The most recent exchanges on that thread are noted below. It appears that we have found a way forward, but this needs to be confirmed by all members.
(2) I would also ask everyone to take a few minutes to complete the Survey that Julie sent around again today with her request that we all fill it out and note our experience and thoughts about amendments. She has asked for this to be done by Wednesday, Dec. 19th, so please do take a few minutes if you can spare them during this busy lead up to Christmas so that we can have a productive discussion.
Thank you all in advance for attending to these two outstanding items.
Kind regards,
RA
Ronald N. Andruff
RNA Partners, Inc.
________________________________
From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Aikman-Scalese, Anne
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:44 PM
To: 'Ron Andruff'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Ron, I would certainly support that notion in the interest of accountability and transparency.
[%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20]Anne E. Aikman-Scalese
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Question for all re: an interim status report to the ICANN Board
If I understand Anne?s line of thinking, the concern is about how to deal specifically with Board requested PDPs that are suspended. However, option 3 sounds like we are recommending that the Board receive an interim report whether they have initiated the PDP or not. This is a significant change and would only add more to the Board?s already full plate, in my view.
That said, in circumstance where a suspension has been called for, I do see the merit of requesting that Council generate an interim report and post it to inform the entire community of the suspension and reason(s) for which it was suspended. That would be quite logical in the larger scheme of things.
Anne, please correct me if I am wrong.
Kind regards,
RA
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From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Aikman-Scalese, Anne
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I would propose a third option:
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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Subject: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All,
from the list I did not understand a clear objection against sending the draft motion to the council with the option of withdrawing it if there can't be found SCI consensus. So I took this responsibility and did it to preserve this chance.
I'd like to encourage all of us to continue working at a solution re the footnote. 2 suggestions are at the table:
1. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
1.
Suspension is a STATEDtime interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council, subject to ICANN Board review in those cases where the Board has requested GNSO input. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
Please comment.
I wonder what how to proceed if there will be no consensus found at thew time being. On the one hand I've got the impression that a majority would be satisfied with suggestion #1 but also open to find a solution which doesn't cause the need for another public comment period.
In case of no consensus we could also - as we did with other items discussed at the SCI - report to the council where we are, that there has been a public comment period successfully finished, but there are still concerns which would prevent the SCI from consensus. The council may then decide how to deal with the (publicly commented) text.
I would be thankful hearing your assessment on and under which conditions consensus could still be achieved.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Von: Aikman-Scalese, Anne [mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Dezember 2012 03:13
An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich
Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I do not believe that this "negative response" mechanism is in accordance with the full consensus process. I also believe I spoke against this at the last reading. Anne
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Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All,
per its charter, the SCI is expected to take decisions using a 'full consensus' process ("when no one in the group speaks against the recommendation in its last readings").
Obviously it would be ideal if all members support a certain position.
It would also be ideal if we find consensus today which is the deadline for motions before the next counciil meeting. But in order to reduce time pressure I could imagine the option to submit the draft motion today, noting that there are some issues that are still being discussed by the SCI which may result in withdrawal of the motion and agenda item if no agreement can be found.
If there is no objection I'll do so accordingly at the end of the day.
Thanks for this valuable discussion and for your understanding.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>
To: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com<mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com>>, "KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>" <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>>
Cc: "AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>, "avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>" <avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>>, "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Alain,
One consideration is that if we add that language it is a substantive change from the original footnote text. The previous suggestion ? adding the word "stated" and deleting "until further notice" --- was deemed by the SCI to be a minor clarification and thus didn't require us to open a Public Comment Forum on new language. As discussed during last Thursday's meeting, any substantive change to the text that was presented in the public comment period that just ended on 03 December would require that the revised text go out for public comment again at a minimum of 21 days. Staff pointed out that with the holiday we would probably need a longer period, perhaps 30 days.
With best regards,
Julie
Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
From: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com<mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com>>
Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:41 PM
To: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>>
Cc: "AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>, "avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>" <avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>>, "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Can we simply insert that: ... when judged necessary by the Council, the GNSO Chair can clarify with the Board any required change in scope, timing, and priority...
Alain
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
We all stick to find consensus. I didn't want to suppress any discussion, just bring it to the point.
First the wording must be accepted by all of us, then the procedure should be agreed.
Anne, do you have a suggestion for the wording which could incorporate the concern? Or do others have?
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 17:45
An: 'Avri Doria'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Avri, thanks for sticking up for the process of consensus. I don't think we are unanimous.
Anne
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Hi,
Are we unanimous on this issue? I had the impression Anne was still concerned.
avri
On 11 Dec 2012, at 14:28, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
> Thanks Marika for clarification.
>
> I'll forward the motion (clear) attached with the revised footnote (redline) to the council list by tomorrows deadline for the 20 Dec council meeting.
>
>
> Best regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 10:52
> An: Aikman-Scalese, Anne; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>;
> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
> Betreff: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Anne, Staff typically provides the Board with status updates on issues
> that are of significant interest to the Board, but there are also
> examples of direct communication between the GNSO Council and the
> Board after the GNSO Council decided to terminate a PDP that had been
> initiated to provide input to the ICANN Board (see for example the Vertical Integration PDP:
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg09754.html).
> It is then up to the Board to decide how to proceed. For example, in
> the case of vertical integration, the Board made the following
> decision, absent GNSO Council recommendations:
> http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-09nov10-en.htm.
>
> With best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> On 10/12/12 19:19, "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>> wrote:
>
>> Many thanks, Marika - very helpful. Whether or not the Board calls
>> its questions a "Request for an Issue Report" that then results in
>> initiation of a PDP seems less important substantively than the
>> reference to continuing consultation with the Board as to "scope,
>> timing, and priority". This discussion illustrates why I think there
>> has to be some provision for communication with or involvement of the
>> Board in connection with a GNSO vote to suspend a PDP which is
>> commenced as a result of a Board request for "answers" or for an
>> Issue Report. A unilateral suspension by GNSO of a PDP (even on
>> Supermajority vote) where the PDP was initiated as a result of such a
>> Board request, is problematic if the Board needs to act. Is there a
>> provision for providing the Board with a full report as to the status
>> of the PDP and maybe summarizing the differing opinions expressed
>> where no consensus was reached in the event of termination or
>> suspension? We should not leave the Board in the position where it
>> has to say, "We cannot act because the GNSO has not acted and has not
>> answered our questions." This is particularly unsatisfactory where the GAC has asked the Board to address an issue.
>> Anne
>>
>>
>> Anne E. Aikman-Scalese
>> Of Counsel
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>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Marika
>> Konings
>> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 4:05 AM
>> To: KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>; avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>
>> To clarify, there are currently two Board requested PDPs, one on the
>> RAA ('Resolved (2011.10.28.33), the Board also requests the creation
>> of an Issue Report to undertake a GNSO policy development process
>> (PDP) as quickly as possible to address remaining items suited for a
>> PDP) and the recently requested Issue Report on the purpose of Whois
>> ('hereby directs preparation of an Issue Report on the purpose of
>> collecting and maintaining gTLD registration data, and on solutions
>> to improve accuracy and access to gTLD registration data, as part of
>> a Board-initiated GNSO policy development process'). As pointed out
>> by Avri, for PDPs initiated by the ICANN Board, there is no
>> intermediate vote by the GNSO Council, the PDP automatically
>> proceeds. However, the ICANN Bylaws foresee that in the case of a
>> Board initiated PDP, 'the Board should provide a mechanism by which
>> the GNSO Council can consult with the Board to provide information
>> on the scope, timing, and priority of the request for an Issue
>> Report'. In addition to this mechanism, the ICANN Board and GNSO
>> Council meet at every ICANN meeting where there is another
>> opportunity to discuss and/or express concerns with regard to Board
>> requested PDPs. For example, in relation to the RAA PDP, as a result
>> of dialogue between the ICANN Board and GNSO Council it was agreed to
>> 'suspend' the PDP until the RAA negotiations were near completion so that it would be clear which topics would need to be included in the PDP.
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> Marika
>>
>> On 09/12/12 08:12, "KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>" <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Avri, very helpful for understanding.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] Im Auftrag von Avri
>>> Doria
>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Dezember 2012 05:39
>>> An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>> Betreff: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As I understand it, they have asked g-council for answers, but they
>>> have not actually used the by-laws mechanism of requesting a PDP.
>>> The g-council has used the PDP as a method of deciding on answers.
>>> These are still g-council initiated PDPs. Had the Board asked for
>>> the PDP, there never would have been a vote in g-council to initiate the PDP.
>>> Specifically:
>>>
>>> "
>>> March 212 20120314-1
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process (PDP) on 'thick'
>>> Whois
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on 'thick' Whois
>>> at its meeting on 22 September 2011
>>> (seehttp://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109<http://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109>);
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> "
>>> November 2012 20121017-2
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process on the
>>> Protection of Certain International Organization Names in all GTLDs.
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on the topic of
>>> whether ICANN should approve additional protections for the names of
>>> international organizations at the first and second levels in the
>>> New gTLD Program.
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> Under the by-laws, ANNEX A: GNSO POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
>>>
>>> "
>>> Section 3. Requesting an Issue Report
>>>
>>> Board Request. The Board may request an Issue Report by instructing
>>> the GNSO Council ("Council") to begin the process outlined the PDP Manual.
>>> In the event the Board makes a request for an Issue Report, the
>>> Board should provide a mechanism by which the GNSO Council can
>>> consult with the Board to provide information on the scope, timing,
>>> and priority of the request for an Issue Report.
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> Section 5. Initiation of the PDP
>>>
>>> The Council may initiate the PDP as follows:
>>>
>>> Board Request: If the Board requested an Issue Report, the Council,
>>> within the timeframe set forth in thePDP Manual, shall initiate a PDP.
>>> No vote is required for such action.
>>> "
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 Dec 2012, at 03:20, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:
>>>
>>>> Must be my misunderstanding... I thought both the current whois PDP
>>>> and IOC RC NGO PDP were requested by the ICANN Board. Anne
>>>>
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ron Andruff [randruff@rnapartners.com<mailto:randruff@rnapartners.com>]
>>>> Received: Saturday, 08 Dec 2012, 3:06pm
>>>> To: 'Avri Doria' [avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>]; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>]
>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I support Avri's comments as well. The Board's role is to commit
>>>> policy that has been developed through the bottom up process into
>>>> rule by way of resolution. Although the history of the Board's
>>>> actions to date might prove otherwise, in an ever-maturing ICANN
>>>> environment we should expect the Board to conform to ICANN's basic
>>>> principles.
>>>>
>>>> I support the footnote amendment as proposed.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> RA
>>>>
>>>> Ronald N. Andruff
>>>> RNA Partners, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Avri
>>>> Doria
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:47 AM
>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think the question of what the Board would do if g-council ever
>>>> suspended a PDP that they mandated is an open question. I expect
>>>> they would either wait, question the postponement, or make one
>>>> their preemptory decisions.
>>>> Since the Board has never yet, to my knowledge, mandated a PDP -
>>>> though they can - I do not think it is a critical issue at this
>>>> point, and in any case think it is a separate issue from the
>>>> suspension mechanism. All other PDPs are g-council decsions, even
>>>> if the issues report is requested by one of the ACs.
>>>>
>>>> I am fine with the footnote. thanks.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 Dec 2012, at 18:26, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anne and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> this touches the question whether the board may overrule a council
>>>> decision on suspension because you're expressing an expectation
>>>> that the council should follow a related board request. I think
>>>> this could be the case depending on a council debate following the
>>>> board request but there is no obligation to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> With this understanding, an you agree to the footnote provided by
>>>> Julie?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] Im Auftrag von
>>>> Aikman-Scalese, Anne
>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Dezember 2012 18:43
>>>>> An: 'J. Scott Evans'; Julie Hedlund;
>>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> This makes sense. Is it clear to everyone that if the ICANN Board
>>>> says,
>>>> "Sorry, GNSO, we don't want you to suspend because we need an
>>>> answer
>>>> - go back to the drawing board," then that is what will happen?
>>>>>
>>>>> Deadlock is deadly for ICANN. If GNSO can't work effectively and
>>>>> the
>>>> Board has to act (pursuant to GAC Advice or otherwise), then Fadi's
>>>> "oasis"
>>>> announced in Dubai becomes more of a "quagmire" and pressure
>>>> increases to take control away from ICANN.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only raise this because it seems to me the question will come up
>>>>> at
>>>> the
>>>> GNSO level.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anne
>>>>>
>>>>> <image001.gif>Anne E. Aikman-Scalese Of Counsel Lewis and Roca LLP
>>>>> . Suite 700 One South Church Avenue . Tucson, Arizona 85701-1611
>>>>> Tel (520) 629-4428<tel:%28520%29%20629-4428> . Fax (520) 879-4725<tel:%28520%29%20879-4725> AAikman@LRLaw.com<mailto:AAikman@LRLaw.com> .
>>>>> www.LewisandRoca.com/Aikman<http://www.LewisandRoca.com/Aikman>
>>>>>
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>>>>> To: Julie Hedlund; Aikman-Scalese, Anne;
>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
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>>>>> I can live with that and I don't think this require further public
>>>> comment
>>>> since it merely clarifies the suspension.
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>>>>> To: "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>;
>>>> "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Anne. Then, would you want "until further notice" to be
>>>> deleted?
>>>> If so, here's an amended text for all to review.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council. A mere change in milestones or
>>>> schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@LRLaw.com<mailto:AAikman@LRLaw.com>>
>>>>> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:32 PM
>>>>> To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>"
>>>> <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>,
>>>> Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>
>>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the relationship between "stated" and "until further notice"?
>>>> If
>>>> "stated" applies, then it seems that "until further notice" would
>>>> not apply.
>>>> Anne
>>>>>
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>>>>> Received: Thursday, 06 Dec 2012, 2:15pm
>>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>]
>>>>> Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed
>>>> Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear SCI members,
>>>>>
>>>>> As we discussed on today's call, J. Scott has proposed a
>>>> clarification to
>>>> the footnote text for the PDP Manual, Section 15, on Suspending a PDP.
>>>> Please review the revised following text with the change in bold
>>>> all
>>>> caps:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change
>>>> in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> For reference, I have included the entire section below so that
>>>>> the
>>>> footnote may be viewed in context.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was suggested on the call that if this clarification is
>>>>> accepted
>>>> by the
>>>> SCI members it will not require a new public comment period.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Please send any comments by COB Monday, 10 December so that if
>>>>> the
>>>> SCI
>>>> decides to submit a motion it may do so by the deadline of
>>>> Wednesday,
>>>> 12
>>>> December.**
>>>>>
>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>>>>>
>>>>> 15. Termination of PDP prior to Final Report
>>>>>
>>>>> The GNSO Council may terminate or suspend[1] a PDP prior to the
>>>> publication of a Final Report only for significant cause, upon a
>>>> motion that passes with a Supermajority Vote in favour of
>>>> termination orsuspension.
>>>> The
>>>> following are illustrative examples of possible reasons for a
>>>> premature termination or suspension of a PDP:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Deadlock. The PDP Team is hopelessly deadlocked and unable to
>>>> identify recommendations or statements that have either the strong
>>>> support or a consensus of its members despite significant time and
>>>> resources being dedicated to the PDP;
>>>>> 2. Changing Circumstances. Events have occurred since the
>>>> initiation
>>>> of the PDP that have rendered the PDP moot, or no longer necessary;
>>>> or warranting a suspension; or
>>>>> 3. Lack of Community Volunteers. Despite several calls for
>>>> participation, the work of the PDP Team issignificantly impaired
>>>> and unable to effectively conclude its deliberations due to lack
>>>> of volunteer participation.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is no recommendation from the PDP Team for its
>>>>> termination,
>>>> the
>>>> Council is required to conduct a public comment forum first prior
>>>> to conducting a vote on the termination of the PDP (as described above).
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until furthernotice. A mere change in
>>>> milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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New subject: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Marika, I see the point of broader considerations but think the analogy to a bandaid on an unmanifested wound is very poor. It's actually a bit more like putting on a helmet before riding a bike. See you Monday at the brunch and maybe we can talk further! Anne
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All, it may be worth pointing out that for every PDP as well as non-PDP, there are regular status updates already provided. For example, the GNSO project list which is updated on a monthly basis (see http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/pending-projects-list.pdf). Also, each project has their own page on the GNSO web-site which is updated with every milestone activity (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active-groups.htm). In addition, each resolution that is adopted by the GNSO Council contains the rationale for that decision in the 'whereas' clauses (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/resolutions).
It should also be noted that an 'interim status report' is currently not defined in the PDP Manual (what would need to be in there, who is responsible for preparing it, would it need to be adopted by a vote of the GNSO Council?). Furthermore, in addition to the Board, ICANN Advisory Committees can also request Issue Reports, but they have not been considered in this conversation.
As a result, I would really like to encourage the SCI to review this issue in a broader context (if/when/how should PDP status updates be provided to entities other than the GNSO Council during the lifespan of a PDP, taking into account all the different communication tools already in place) as part of the overall review of the PDP, instead of applying a bandaid here to a wound that has not even manifested itself.
Best regards,
Marika
From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>
Date: Saturday 15 December 2012 18:58
To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>, "randruff@rnapartners.com<mailto:randruff@rnapartners.com>" <randruff@rnapartners.com<mailto:randruff@rnapartners.com>>, "Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>" <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>>
Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Just a minor note that at this point we were not limiting the interim status report to any "Board-directed PDP". I think the simplest add would be to require an interim status report to the GNSO Council, e.g. "all activities (other than an interim status report to the Council) will halt." Then SCI could recommend that the interim status report be published to the entire community. Anne
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I support the concept of an interim report to be put out to the community by the GNSO Council upon its suspension of a PDP; however, I'd like to separate out our actual recommendation (which is to clarify what and when there is considered to be a suspension of a PDP) with our opinion as to either the GNSO Council's relationship with/reaction to Board-directed PDPs or as to appropriate action by the Council in voting for a suspension.
I'd therefore suggest a slight modification to our Option 3 - take the language/mention of an interim report out of the sentence containing our recommendation, and either add a new sentence following that, or create an additional, related recommendation, stating that "The SCI recommends that, in cases of suspension of a Board-directed PDP, the GNSO Council issues an interim report stating the reasons for such suspension to the community." Or something along those lines.
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Mary
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>>> "Ron Andruff" 12/14/12 3:13 PM >>>
Dear all,
Recognizing that I am not yet installed as the Chair of the SCI until our next meeting this coming Thursday (Dec. 20th), yet being responsible for that meeting, (forgive me Wolf-Ulrich) I have two requests:
(1) It would be very helpful if all SCI members would look at where we are with the ?Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote? and add your thoughts. The most recent exchanges on that thread are noted below. It appears that we have found a way forward, but this needs to be confirmed by all members.
(2) I would also ask everyone to take a few minutes to complete the Survey that Julie sent around again today with her request that we all fill it out and note our experience and thoughts about amendments. She has asked for this to be done by Wednesday, Dec. 19th, so please do take a few minutes if you can spare them during this busy lead up to Christmas so that we can have a productive discussion.
Thank you all in advance for attending to these two outstanding items.
Kind regards,
RA
Ronald N. Andruff
RNA Partners, Inc.
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Ron, I would certainly support that notion in the interest of accountability and transparency.
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Question for all re: an interim status report to the ICANN Board
If I understand Anne?s line of thinking, the concern is about how to deal specifically with Board requested PDPs that are suspended. However, option 3 sounds like we are recommending that the Board receive an interim report whether they have initiated the PDP or not. This is a significant change and would only add more to the Board?s already full plate, in my view.
That said, in circumstance where a suspension has been called for, I do see the merit of requesting that Council generate an interim report and post it to inform the entire community of the suspension and reason(s) for which it was suspended. That would be quite logical in the larger scheme of things.
Anne, please correct me if I am wrong.
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RA
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I would propose a third option:
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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Subject: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All,
from the list I did not understand a clear objection against sending the draft motion to the council with the option of withdrawing it if there can't be found SCI consensus. So I took this responsibility and did it to preserve this chance.
I'd like to encourage all of us to continue working at a solution re the footnote. 2 suggestions are at the table:
1. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
1.
Suspension is a STATEDtime interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council, subject to ICANN Board review in those cases where the Board has requested GNSO input. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
Please comment.
I wonder what how to proceed if there will be no consensus found at thew time being. On the one hand I've got the impression that a majority would be satisfied with suggestion #1 but also open to find a solution which doesn't cause the need for another public comment period.
In case of no consensus we could also - as we did with other items discussed at the SCI - report to the council where we are, that there has been a public comment period successfully finished, but there are still concerns which would prevent the SCI from consensus. The council may then decide how to deal with the (publicly commented) text.
I would be thankful hearing your assessment on and under which conditions consensus could still be achieved.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Dezember 2012 03:13
An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich
Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I do not believe that this "negative response" mechanism is in accordance with the full consensus process. I also believe I spoke against this at the last reading. Anne
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Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All,
per its charter, the SCI is expected to take decisions using a 'full consensus' process ("when no one in the group speaks against the recommendation in its last readings").
Obviously it would be ideal if all members support a certain position.
It would also be ideal if we find consensus today which is the deadline for motions before the next counciil meeting. But in order to reduce time pressure I could imagine the option to submit the draft motion today, noting that there are some issues that are still being discussed by the SCI which may result in withdrawal of the motion and agenda item if no agreement can be found.
If there is no objection I'll do so accordingly at the end of the day.
Thanks for this valuable discussion and for your understanding.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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To: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com<mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com>>, "KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>" <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>>
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Alain,
One consideration is that if we add that language it is a substantive change from the original footnote text. The previous suggestion ? adding the word "stated" and deleting "until further notice" --- was deemed by the SCI to be a minor clarification and thus didn't require us to open a Public Comment Forum on new language. As discussed during last Thursday's meeting, any substantive change to the text that was presented in the public comment period that just ended on 03 December would require that the revised text go out for public comment again at a minimum of 21 days. Staff pointed out that with the holiday we would probably need a longer period, perhaps 30 days.
With best regards,
Julie
Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
From: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com<mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com>>
Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:41 PM
To: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>>
Cc: "AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>, "avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>" <avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>>, "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Can we simply insert that: ... when judged necessary by the Council, the GNSO Chair can clarify with the Board any required change in scope, timing, and priority...
Alain
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
We all stick to find consensus. I didn't want to suppress any discussion, just bring it to the point.
First the wording must be accepted by all of us, then the procedure should be agreed.
Anne, do you have a suggestion for the wording which could incorporate the concern? Or do others have?
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 17:45
An: 'Avri Doria'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Avri, thanks for sticking up for the process of consensus. I don't think we are unanimous.
Anne
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To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Hi,
Are we unanimous on this issue? I had the impression Anne was still concerned.
avri
On 11 Dec 2012, at 14:28, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
> Thanks Marika for clarification.
>
> I'll forward the motion (clear) attached with the revised footnote (redline) to the council list by tomorrows deadline for the 20 Dec council meeting.
>
>
> Best regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 10:52
> An: Aikman-Scalese, Anne; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>;
> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
> Betreff: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Anne, Staff typically provides the Board with status updates on issues
> that are of significant interest to the Board, but there are also
> examples of direct communication between the GNSO Council and the
> Board after the GNSO Council decided to terminate a PDP that had been
> initiated to provide input to the ICANN Board (see for example the Vertical Integration PDP:
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg09754.html).
> It is then up to the Board to decide how to proceed. For example, in
> the case of vertical integration, the Board made the following
> decision, absent GNSO Council recommendations:
> http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-09nov10-en.htm.
>
> With best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> On 10/12/12 19:19, "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>> wrote:
>
>> Many thanks, Marika - very helpful. Whether or not the Board calls
>> its questions a "Request for an Issue Report" that then results in
>> initiation of a PDP seems less important substantively than the
>> reference to continuing consultation with the Board as to "scope,
>> timing, and priority". This discussion illustrates why I think there
>> has to be some provision for communication with or involvement of the
>> Board in connection with a GNSO vote to suspend a PDP which is
>> commenced as a result of a Board request for "answers" or for an
>> Issue Report. A unilateral suspension by GNSO of a PDP (even on
>> Supermajority vote) where the PDP was initiated as a result of such a
>> Board request, is problematic if the Board needs to act. Is there a
>> provision for providing the Board with a full report as to the status
>> of the PDP and maybe summarizing the differing opinions expressed
>> where no consensus was reached in the event of termination or
>> suspension? We should not leave the Board in the position where it
>> has to say, "We cannot act because the GNSO has not acted and has not
>> answered our questions." This is particularly unsatisfactory where the GAC has asked the Board to address an issue.
>> Anne
>>
>>
>> Anne E. Aikman-Scalese
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>> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Marika
>> Konings
>> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 4:05 AM
>> To: KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>; avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>
>> To clarify, there are currently two Board requested PDPs, one on the
>> RAA ('Resolved (2011.10.28.33), the Board also requests the creation
>> of an Issue Report to undertake a GNSO policy development process
>> (PDP) as quickly as possible to address remaining items suited for a
>> PDP) and the recently requested Issue Report on the purpose of Whois
>> ('hereby directs preparation of an Issue Report on the purpose of
>> collecting and maintaining gTLD registration data, and on solutions
>> to improve accuracy and access to gTLD registration data, as part of
>> a Board-initiated GNSO policy development process'). As pointed out
>> by Avri, for PDPs initiated by the ICANN Board, there is no
>> intermediate vote by the GNSO Council, the PDP automatically
>> proceeds. However, the ICANN Bylaws foresee that in the case of a
>> Board initiated PDP, 'the Board should provide a mechanism by which
>> the GNSO Council can consult with the Board to provide information
>> on the scope, timing, and priority of the request for an Issue
>> Report'. In addition to this mechanism, the ICANN Board and GNSO
>> Council meet at every ICANN meeting where there is another
>> opportunity to discuss and/or express concerns with regard to Board
>> requested PDPs. For example, in relation to the RAA PDP, as a result
>> of dialogue between the ICANN Board and GNSO Council it was agreed to
>> 'suspend' the PDP until the RAA negotiations were near completion so that it would be clear which topics would need to be included in the PDP.
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> Marika
>>
>> On 09/12/12 08:12, "KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>" <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Avri, very helpful for understanding.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] Im Auftrag von Avri
>>> Doria
>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Dezember 2012 05:39
>>> An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>> Betreff: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As I understand it, they have asked g-council for answers, but they
>>> have not actually used the by-laws mechanism of requesting a PDP.
>>> The g-council has used the PDP as a method of deciding on answers.
>>> These are still g-council initiated PDPs. Had the Board asked for
>>> the PDP, there never would have been a vote in g-council to initiate the PDP.
>>> Specifically:
>>>
>>> "
>>> March 212 20120314-1
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process (PDP) on 'thick'
>>> Whois
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on 'thick' Whois
>>> at its meeting on 22 September 2011
>>> (seehttp://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109<http://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109>);
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> "
>>> November 2012 20121017-2
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process on the
>>> Protection of Certain International Organization Names in all GTLDs.
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on the topic of
>>> whether ICANN should approve additional protections for the names of
>>> international organizations at the first and second levels in the
>>> New gTLD Program.
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> Under the by-laws, ANNEX A: GNSO POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
>>>
>>> "
>>> Section 3. Requesting an Issue Report
>>>
>>> Board Request. The Board may request an Issue Report by instructing
>>> the GNSO Council ("Council") to begin the process outlined the PDP Manual.
>>> In the event the Board makes a request for an Issue Report, the
>>> Board should provide a mechanism by which the GNSO Council can
>>> consult with the Board to provide information on the scope, timing,
>>> and priority of the request for an Issue Report.
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> Section 5. Initiation of the PDP
>>>
>>> The Council may initiate the PDP as follows:
>>>
>>> Board Request: If the Board requested an Issue Report, the Council,
>>> within the timeframe set forth in thePDP Manual, shall initiate a PDP.
>>> No vote is required for such action.
>>> "
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 Dec 2012, at 03:20, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:
>>>
>>>> Must be my misunderstanding... I thought both the current whois PDP
>>>> and IOC RC NGO PDP were requested by the ICANN Board. Anne
>>>>
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ron Andruff [randruff@rnapartners.com<mailto:randruff@rnapartners.com>]
>>>> Received: Saturday, 08 Dec 2012, 3:06pm
>>>> To: 'Avri Doria' [avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>]; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>]
>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I support Avri's comments as well. The Board's role is to commit
>>>> policy that has been developed through the bottom up process into
>>>> rule by way of resolution. Although the history of the Board's
>>>> actions to date might prove otherwise, in an ever-maturing ICANN
>>>> environment we should expect the Board to conform to ICANN's basic
>>>> principles.
>>>>
>>>> I support the footnote amendment as proposed.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> RA
>>>>
>>>> Ronald N. Andruff
>>>> RNA Partners, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Avri
>>>> Doria
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:47 AM
>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think the question of what the Board would do if g-council ever
>>>> suspended a PDP that they mandated is an open question. I expect
>>>> they would either wait, question the postponement, or make one
>>>> their preemptory decisions.
>>>> Since the Board has never yet, to my knowledge, mandated a PDP -
>>>> though they can - I do not think it is a critical issue at this
>>>> point, and in any case think it is a separate issue from the
>>>> suspension mechanism. All other PDPs are g-council decsions, even
>>>> if the issues report is requested by one of the ACs.
>>>>
>>>> I am fine with the footnote. thanks.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 Dec 2012, at 18:26, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anne and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> this touches the question whether the board may overrule a council
>>>> decision on suspension because you're expressing an expectation
>>>> that the council should follow a related board request. I think
>>>> this could be the case depending on a council debate following the
>>>> board request but there is no obligation to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> With this understanding, an you agree to the footnote provided by
>>>> Julie?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] Im Auftrag von
>>>> Aikman-Scalese, Anne
>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Dezember 2012 18:43
>>>>> An: 'J. Scott Evans'; Julie Hedlund;
>>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> This makes sense. Is it clear to everyone that if the ICANN Board
>>>> says,
>>>> "Sorry, GNSO, we don't want you to suspend because we need an
>>>> answer
>>>> - go back to the drawing board," then that is what will happen?
>>>>>
>>>>> Deadlock is deadly for ICANN. If GNSO can't work effectively and
>>>>> the
>>>> Board has to act (pursuant to GAC Advice or otherwise), then Fadi's
>>>> "oasis"
>>>> announced in Dubai becomes more of a "quagmire" and pressure
>>>> increases to take control away from ICANN.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only raise this because it seems to me the question will come up
>>>>> at
>>>> the
>>>> GNSO level.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anne
>>>>>
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>>>>> From: J. Scott Evans [mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com>]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:20 AM
>>>>> To: Julie Hedlund; Aikman-Scalese, Anne;
>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> I can live with that and I don't think this require further public
>>>> comment
>>>> since it merely clarifies the suspension.
>>>>>
>>>>> jse
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>
>>>>> To: "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>;
>>>> "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Anne. Then, would you want "until further notice" to be
>>>> deleted?
>>>> If so, here's an amended text for all to review.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council. A mere change in milestones or
>>>> schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@LRLaw.com<mailto:AAikman@LRLaw.com>>
>>>>> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:32 PM
>>>>> To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>"
>>>> <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>,
>>>> Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>
>>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the relationship between "stated" and "until further notice"?
>>>> If
>>>> "stated" applies, then it seems that "until further notice" would
>>>> not apply.
>>>> Anne
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com<http://www.nitrodesk.com>)
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund [julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>]
>>>>> Received: Thursday, 06 Dec 2012, 2:15pm
>>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>]
>>>>> Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed
>>>> Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear SCI members,
>>>>>
>>>>> As we discussed on today's call, J. Scott has proposed a
>>>> clarification to
>>>> the footnote text for the PDP Manual, Section 15, on Suspending a PDP.
>>>> Please review the revised following text with the change in bold
>>>> all
>>>> caps:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change
>>>> in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> For reference, I have included the entire section below so that
>>>>> the
>>>> footnote may be viewed in context.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was suggested on the call that if this clarification is
>>>>> accepted
>>>> by the
>>>> SCI members it will not require a new public comment period.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Please send any comments by COB Monday, 10 December so that if
>>>>> the
>>>> SCI
>>>> decides to submit a motion it may do so by the deadline of
>>>> Wednesday,
>>>> 12
>>>> December.**
>>>>>
>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>>>>>
>>>>> 15. Termination of PDP prior to Final Report
>>>>>
>>>>> The GNSO Council may terminate or suspend[1] a PDP prior to the
>>>> publication of a Final Report only for significant cause, upon a
>>>> motion that passes with a Supermajority Vote in favour of
>>>> termination orsuspension.
>>>> The
>>>> following are illustrative examples of possible reasons for a
>>>> premature termination or suspension of a PDP:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Deadlock. The PDP Team is hopelessly deadlocked and unable to
>>>> identify recommendations or statements that have either the strong
>>>> support or a consensus of its members despite significant time and
>>>> resources being dedicated to the PDP;
>>>>> 2. Changing Circumstances. Events have occurred since the
>>>> initiation
>>>> of the PDP that have rendered the PDP moot, or no longer necessary;
>>>> or warranting a suspension; or
>>>>> 3. Lack of Community Volunteers. Despite several calls for
>>>> participation, the work of the PDP Team issignificantly impaired
>>>> and unable to effectively conclude its deliberations due to lack
>>>> of volunteer participation.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is no recommendation from the PDP Team for its
>>>>> termination,
>>>> the
>>>> Council is required to conduct a public comment forum first prior
>>>> to conducting a vote on the termination of the PDP (as described above).
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until furthernotice. A mere change in
>>>> milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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New subject: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Thanks, Marika - perhaps using the term "interim status report" conveys
more than I'd intended to suggest in supporting the concept. What I had
in mind was simply a statement from the Council when voting to suspend a
PDP, giving its reasons for so doing. The intention was to so notify the
community - incuding the ICANN Board in cases of Board-directed PDPs -
that such an action had been taken. As such, and instead of using the
term "interim status report" we could just say "a statement of reasons"
from the GNSO Council.
Cheers
Mary
Mary W S Wong
Professor of Law
Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP
Chair, Graduate IP Programs
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>>>
From:
"Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>
To:
"gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>,
"randruff@rnapartners.com" <randruff@rnapartners.com>,
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Date:
12/16/2012 8:29 AM
Subject:
Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Marika, I see the point of broader considerations but think the analogy
to a bandaid on an unmanifested wound is very poor. It's actually a bit
more like putting on a helmet before riding a bike. See you Monday at
the brunch and maybe we can talk further! Anne
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
All, it may be worth pointing out that for every PDP as well as
non-PDP, there are regular status updates already provided. For example,
the GNSO project list which is updated on a monthly basis (see
http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/pending-projects-list.pdf). Also, each
project has their own page on the GNSO web-site which is updated with
every milestone activity (see
http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active-groups.htm). In
addition, each resolution that is adopted by the GNSO Council contains
the rationale for that decision in the 'whereas' clauses (see
http://gnso.icann.org/en/resolutions).
It should also be noted that an 'interim status report' is currently
not defined in the PDP Manual (what would need to be in there, who is
responsible for preparing it, would it need to be adopted by a vote of
the GNSO Council?). Furthermore, in addition to the Board, ICANN
Advisory Committees can also request Issue Reports, but they have not
been considered in this conversation.
As a result, I would really like to encourage the SCI to review this
issue in a broader context (if/when/how should PDP status updates be
provided to entities other than the GNSO Council during the lifespan of
a PDP, taking into account all the different communication tools already
in place) as part of the overall review of the PDP, instead of applying
a bandaid here to a wound that has not even manifested itself.
Best regards,
Marika
From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@lrlaw.com>
Date: Saturday 15 December 2012 18:58
To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org"
<gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>, "randruff@rnapartners.com"
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
Just a minor note that at this point we were not limiting the interim
status report to any "Board-directed PDP". I think the simplest add
would be to require an interim status report to the GNSO Council, e.g.
"all activities (other than an interim status report to the Council)
will halt." Then SCI could recommend that the interim status report be
published to the entire community. Anne
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
I support the concept of an interim report to be put out to the
community by the GNSO Council upon its suspension of a PDP; however, I'd
like to separate out our actual recommendation (which is to clarify what
and when there is considered to be a suspension of a PDP) with our
opinion as to either the GNSO Council's relationship with/reaction to
Board-directed PDPs or as to appropriate action by the Council in voting
for a suspension.
I'd therefore suggest a slight modification to our Option 3 - take the
language/mention of an interim report out of the sentence containing our
recommendation, and either add a new sentence following that, or create
an additional, related recommendation, stating that "The SCI recommends
that, in cases of suspension of a Board-directed PDP, the GNSO Council
issues an interim report stating the reasons for such suspension to the
community." Or something along those lines.
Cheers
Mary
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Professor of Law
Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP
Chair, Graduate IP Programs
UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW
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Concord, NH 03301
USA
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>>> "Ron Andruff" 12/14/12 3:13 PM >>>
Dear all,
Recognizing that I am not yet installed as the Chair of the SCI until
our next meeting this coming Thursday (Dec. 20th), yet being responsible
for that meeting, (forgive me Wolf-Ulrich) I have two requests:
(1) It would be very helpful if all SCI members would look at where we
are with the ?Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote? and add your
thoughts. The most recent exchanges on that thread are noted below. It
appears that we have found a way forward, but this needs to be confirmed
by all members.
(2) I would also ask everyone to take a few minutes to complete the
Survey that Julie sent around again today with her request that we all
fill it out and note our experience and thoughts about amendments. She
has asked for this to be done by Wednesday, Dec. 19th, so please do take
a few minutes if you can spare them during this busy lead up to
Christmas so that we can have a productive discussion.
Thank you all in advance for attending to these two outstanding items.
Kind regards,
RA
Ronald N. Andruff
RNA Partners, Inc.
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
Ron, I would certainly support that notion in the interest of
accountability and transparency.
Anne E. Aikman-Scalese
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
Question for all re: an interim status report to the ICANN Board
If I understand Anne?s line of thinking, the concern is about how to
deal specifically with Board requested PDPs that are suspended.
However, option 3 sounds like we are recommending that the Board receive
an interim report whether they have initiated the PDP or not. This is a
significant change and would only add more to the Board?s already full
plate, in my view.
That said, in circumstance where a suspension has been called for, I do
see the merit of requesting that Council generate an interim report and
post it to inform the entire community of the suspension and reason(s)
for which it was suspended. That would be quite logical in the larger
scheme of things.
Anne, please correct me if I am wrong.
Kind regards,
RA
Ronald N. Andruff
RNA Partners, Inc.
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
I would propose a third option:
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an
interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of
the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or
schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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Subject: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
All,
from the list I did not understand a clear objection against sending
the draft motion to the council with the option of withdrawing it if
there can't be found SCI consensus. So I took this responsibility and
did it to preserve this chance.
I'd like to encourage all of us to continue working at a solution re
the footnote. 2 suggestions are at the table:
1. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in
milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
Suspension is a STATEDtime interval during which there is a temporary
cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of
the GNSO Council, subject to ICANN Board review in those cases where the
Board has requested GNSO input. A mere change in milestones or schedule
of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an
interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of
the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or
schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
Please comment.
I wonder what how to proceed if there will be no consensus found at
thew time being. On the one hand I've got the impression that a majority
would be satisfied with suggestion #1 but also open to find a solution
which doesn't cause the need for another public comment period.
In case of no consensus we could also - as we did with other items
discussed at the SCI - report to the council where we are, that there
has been a public comment period successfully finished, but there are
still concerns which would prevent the SCI from consensus. The council
may then decide how to deal with the (publicly commented) text.
I would be thankful hearing your assessment on and under which
conditions consensus could still be achieved.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
Von: Aikman-Scalese, Anne [mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Dezember 2012 03:13
An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich
Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
I do not believe that this "negative response" mechanism is in
accordance with the full consensus process. I also believe I spoke
against this at the last reading. Anne
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Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
All,
per its charter, the SCI is expected to take decisions using a 'full
consensus' process ("when no one in the group speaks against the
recommendation in its last readings").
Obviously it would be ideal if all members support a certain position.
It would also be ideal if we find consensus today which is the deadline
for motions before the next counciil meeting. But in order to reduce
time pressure I could imagine the option to submit the draft motion
today, noting that there are some issues that are still being discussed
by the SCI which may result in withdrawal of the motion and agenda item
if no agreement can be found.
If there is no objection I'll do so accordingly at the end of the day.
Thanks for this valuable discussion and for your understanding.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>
To: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com>, "KnobenW@telekom.de"
<KnobenW@telekom.de>
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Alain,
One consideration is that if we add that language it is a substantive
change from the original footnote text. The previous suggestion ?
adding the word "stated" and deleting "until further notice" --- was
deemed by the SCI to be a minor clarification and thus didn't require us
to open a Public Comment Forum on new language. As discussed during
last Thursday's meeting, any substantive change to the text that was
presented in the public comment period that just ended on 03 December
would require that the revised text go out for public comment again at a
minimum of 21 days. Staff pointed out that with the holiday we would
probably need a longer period, perhaps 30 days.
With best regards,
Julie
Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
From: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:41 PM
To: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben <KnobenW@telekom.de>
Cc: "AAikman@lrlaw.com" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>, "avri@acm.org"
<avri@acm.org>, "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org"
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Can we simply insert that: ... when judged necessary by the Council,
the GNSO Chair can clarify with the Board any required change in scope,
timing, and priority...
Alain
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
We all stick to find consensus. I didn't want to suppress any
discussion, just bring it to the point.
First the wording must be accepted by all of us, then the procedure
should be agreed.
Anne, do you have a suggestion for the wording which could incorporate
the concern? Or do others have?
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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An: 'Avri Doria'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Avri, thanks for sticking up for the process of consensus. I don't
think we are unanimous.
Anne
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Hi,
Are we unanimous on this issue? I had the impression Anne was still
concerned.
avri
On 11 Dec 2012, at 14:28, <KnobenW@telekom.de> <KnobenW@telekom.de>
wrote:
> Thanks Marika for clarification.
>
> I'll forward the motion (clear) attached with the revised footnote
(redline) to the council list by tomorrows deadline for the 20 Dec
council meeting.
>
>
> Best regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 10:52
> An: Aikman-Scalese, Anne; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; avri@acm.org;
> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> Betreff: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Anne, Staff typically provides the Board with status updates on
issues
> that are of significant interest to the Board, but there are also
> examples of direct communication between the GNSO Council and the
> Board after the GNSO Council decided to terminate a PDP that had
been
> initiated to provide input to the ICANN Board (see for example the
Vertical Integration PDP:
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg09754.html).
> It is then up to the Board to decide how to proceed. For example, in
> the case of vertical integration, the Board made the following
> decision, absent GNSO Council recommendations:
>
http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-09nov10-en.htm.
>
> With best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> On 10/12/12 19:19, "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com> wrote:
>
>> Many thanks, Marika - very helpful. Whether or not the Board calls
>> its questions a "Request for an Issue Report" that then results in
>> initiation of a PDP seems less important substantively than the
>> reference to continuing consultation with the Board as to "scope,
>> timing, and priority". This discussion illustrates why I think
there
>> has to be some provision for communication with or involvement of
the
>> Board in connection with a GNSO vote to suspend a PDP which is
>> commenced as a result of a Board request for "answers" or for an
>> Issue Report. A unilateral suspension by GNSO of a PDP (even on
>> Supermajority vote) where the PDP was initiated as a result of such
a
>> Board request, is problematic if the Board needs to act. Is there a
>> provision for providing the Board with a full report as to the
status
>> of the PDP and maybe summarizing the differing opinions expressed
>> where no consensus was reached in the event of termination or
>> suspension? We should not leave the Board in the position where it
>> has to say, "We cannot act because the GNSO has not acted and has
not
>> answered our questions." This is particularly unsatisfactory where
the GAC has asked the Board to address an issue.
>> Anne
>>
>>
>> Anne E. Aikman-Scalese
>> Of Counsel
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>> Subject: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>
>> To clarify, there are currently two Board requested PDPs, one on
the
>> RAA ('Resolved (2011.10.28.33), the Board also requests the
creation
>> of an Issue Report to undertake a GNSO policy development process
>> (PDP) as quickly as possible to address remaining items suited for
a
>> PDP) and the recently requested Issue Report on the purpose of
Whois
>> ('hereby directs preparation of an Issue Report on the purpose of
>> collecting and maintaining gTLD registration data, and on solutions
>> to improve accuracy and access to gTLD registration data, as part
of
>> a Board-initiated GNSO policy development process'). As pointed out
>> by Avri, for PDPs initiated by the ICANN Board, there is no
>> intermediate vote by the GNSO Council, the PDP automatically
>> proceeds. However, the ICANN Bylaws foresee that in the case of a
>> Board initiated PDP, 'the Board should provide a mechanism by which
>> the GNSO Council can consult with the Board to provide information
>> on the scope, timing, and priority of the request for an Issue
>> Report'. In addition to this mechanism, the ICANN Board and GNSO
>> Council meet at every ICANN meeting where there is another
>> opportunity to discuss and/or express concerns with regard to Board
>> requested PDPs. For example, in relation to the RAA PDP, as a
result
>> of dialogue between the ICANN Board and GNSO Council it was agreed
to
>> 'suspend' the PDP until the RAA negotiations were near completion so
that it would be clear which topics would need to be included in the
PDP.
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> Marika
>>
>> On 09/12/12 08:12, "KnobenW@telekom.de" <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Avri, very helpful for understanding.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Avri
>>> Doria
>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Dezember 2012 05:39
>>> An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>> Betreff: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As I understand it, they have asked g-council for answers, but
they
>>> have not actually used the by-laws mechanism of requesting a PDP.
>>> The g-council has used the PDP as a method of deciding on answers.
>>> These are still g-council initiated PDPs. Had the Board asked for
>>> the PDP, there never would have been a vote in g-council to
initiate the PDP.
>>> Specifically:
>>>
>>> "
>>> March 212 20120314-1
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process (PDP) on
'thick'
>>> Whois
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on 'thick'
Whois
>>> at its meeting on 22 September 2011
>>> (seehttp://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109);
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> "
>>> November 2012 20121017-2
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process on the
>>> Protection of Certain International Organization Names in all
GTLDs.
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on the topic of
>>> whether ICANN should approve additional protections for the names
of
>>> international organizations at the first and second levels in the
>>> New gTLD Program.
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> Under the by-laws, ANNEX A: GNSO POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
>>>
>>> "
>>> Section 3. Requesting an Issue Report
>>>
>>> Board Request. The Board may request an Issue Report by
instructing
>>> the GNSO Council ("Council") to begin the process outlined the PDP
Manual.
>>> In the event the Board makes a request for an Issue Report, the
>>> Board should provide a mechanism by which the GNSO Council can
>>> consult with the Board to provide information on the scope,
timing,
>>> and priority of the request for an Issue Report.
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> Section 5. Initiation of the PDP
>>>
>>> The Council may initiate the PDP as follows:
>>>
>>> Board Request: If the Board requested an Issue Report, the
Council,
>>> within the timeframe set forth in thePDP Manual, shall initiate a
PDP.
>>> No vote is required for such action.
>>> "
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 Dec 2012, at 03:20, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:
>>>
>>>> Must be my misunderstanding... I thought both the current whois
PDP
>>>> and IOC RC NGO PDP were requested by the ICANN Board. Anne
>>>>
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>>>> From: Ron Andruff [randruff@rnapartners.com]
>>>> Received: Saturday, 08 Dec 2012, 3:06pm
>>>> To: 'Avri Doria' [avri@acm.org]; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]
>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I support Avri's comments as well. The Board's role is to commit
>>>> policy that has been developed through the bottom up process
into
>>>> rule by way of resolution. Although the history of the Board's
>>>> actions to date might prove otherwise, in an ever-maturing ICANN
>>>> environment we should expect the Board to conform to ICANN's
basic
>>>> principles.
>>>>
>>>> I support the footnote amendment as proposed.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> RA
>>>>
>>>> Ronald N. Andruff
>>>> RNA Partners, Inc.
>>>>
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>>>> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri
>>>> Doria
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:47 AM
>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think the question of what the Board would do if g-council ever
>>>> suspended a PDP that they mandated is an open question. I
expect
>>>> they would either wait, question the postponement, or make one
>>>> their preemptory decisions.
>>>> Since the Board has never yet, to my knowledge, mandated a PDP -
>>>> though they can - I do not think it is a critical issue at this
>>>> point, and in any case think it is a separate issue from the
>>>> suspension mechanism. All other PDPs are g-council decsions,
even
>>>> if the issues report is requested by one of the ACs.
>>>>
>>>> I am fine with the footnote. thanks.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 Dec 2012, at 18:26, <KnobenW@telekom.de>
<KnobenW@telekom.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anne and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> this touches the question whether the board may overrule a
council
>>>> decision on suspension because you're expressing an expectation
>>>> that the council should follow a related board request. I think
>>>> this could be the case depending on a council debate following
the
>>>> board request but there is no obligation to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> With this understanding, an you agree to the footnote provided
by
>>>> Julie?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] Im Auftrag von
>>>> Aikman-Scalese, Anne
>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Dezember 2012 18:43
>>>>> An: 'J. Scott Evans'; Julie Hedlund;
>>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>>> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> This makes sense. Is it clear to everyone that if the ICANN
Board
>>>> says,
>>>> "Sorry, GNSO, we don't want you to suspend because we need an
>>>> answer
>>>> - go back to the drawing board," then that is what will happen?
>>>>>
>>>>> Deadlock is deadly for ICANN. If GNSO can't work effectively
and
>>>>> the
>>>> Board has to act (pursuant to GAC Advice or otherwise), then
Fadi's
>>>> "oasis"
>>>> announced in Dubai becomes more of a "quagmire" and pressure
>>>> increases to take control away from ICANN.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only raise this because it seems to me the question will come
up
>>>>> at
>>>> the
>>>> GNSO level.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anne
>>>>>
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>>>>> From: J. Scott Evans [mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:20 AM
>>>>> To: Julie Hedlund; Aikman-Scalese, Anne;
>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> I can live with that and I don't think this require further
public
>>>> comment
>>>> since it merely clarifies the suspension.
>>>>>
>>>>> jse
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>>>>>
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>
>>>>> To: "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>;
>>>> "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org"
<gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Anne. Then, would you want "until further notice" to be
>>>> deleted?
>>>> If so, here's an amended text for all to review.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council. A mere change in milestones or
>>>> schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@LRLaw.com>
>>>>> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:32 PM
>>>>> To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org"
>>>> <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>,
>>>> Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>
>>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the relationship between "stated" and "until further
notice"?
>>>> If
>>>> "stated" applies, then it seems that "until further notice" would
>>>> not apply.
>>>> Anne
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund [julie.hedlund@icann.org]
>>>>> Received: Thursday, 06 Dec 2012, 2:15pm
>>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]
>>>>> Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed
>>>> Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear SCI members,
>>>>>
>>>>> As we discussed on today's call, J. Scott has proposed a
>>>> clarification to
>>>> the footnote text for the PDP Manual, Section 15, on Suspending a
PDP.
>>>> Please review the revised following text with the change in bold
>>>> all
>>>> caps:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change
>>>> in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a
suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> For reference, I have included the entire section below so that
>>>>> the
>>>> footnote may be viewed in context.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was suggested on the call that if this clarification is
>>>>> accepted
>>>> by the
>>>> SCI members it will not require a new public comment period.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Please send any comments by COB Monday, 10 December so that if
>>>>> the
>>>> SCI
>>>> decides to submit a motion it may do so by the deadline of
>>>> Wednesday,
>>>> 12
>>>> December.**
>>>>>
>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>>>>>
>>>>> 15. Termination of PDP prior to Final Report
>>>>>
>>>>> The GNSO Council may terminate or suspend[1] a PDP prior to the
>>>> publication of a Final Report only for significant cause, upon a
>>>> motion that passes with a Supermajority Vote in favour of
>>>> termination orsuspension.
>>>> The
>>>> following are illustrative examples of possible reasons for a
>>>> premature termination or suspension of a PDP:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Deadlock. The PDP Team is hopelessly deadlocked and unable
to
>>>> identify recommendations or statements that have either the
strong
>>>> support or a consensus of its members despite significant time
and
>>>> resources being dedicated to the PDP;
>>>>> 2. Changing Circumstances. Events have occurred since the
>>>> initiation
>>>> of the PDP that have rendered the PDP moot, or no longer
necessary;
>>>> or warranting a suspension; or
>>>>> 3. Lack of Community Volunteers. Despite several calls for
>>>> participation, the work of the PDP Team issignificantly impaired
>>>> and unable to effectively conclude its deliberations due to lack
>>>> of volunteer participation.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is no recommendation from the PDP Team for its
>>>>> termination,
>>>> the
>>>> Council is required to conduct a public comment forum first prior
>>>> to conducting a vote on the termination of the PDP (as described
above).
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until furthernotice. A mere change
in
>>>> milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a
suspension.
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3:23 p.m.
New subject: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Thanks, Marika - perhaps using the term "interim status report" conveys
more than I'd intended to suggest in supporting the concept. What I had
in mind was simply a statement from the Council when voting to suspend a
PDP, giving its reasons for so doing. The intention was to so notify the
community - incuding the ICANN Board in cases of Board-directed PDPs -
that such an action had been taken. As such, and instead of using the
term "interim status report" we could just say "a statement of reasons"
from the GNSO Council.
Cheers
Mary
Mary W S Wong
Professor of Law
Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP
Chair, Graduate IP Programs
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>>>
From:
"Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>
To:
"gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>,
"randruff@rnapartners.com" <randruff@rnapartners.com>,
"Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu" <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>,
"marika.konings@icann.org" <marika.konings@icann.org>
Date:
12/16/2012 8:29 AM
Subject:
Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Marika, I see the point of broader considerations but think the analogy
to a bandaid on an unmanifested wound is very poor. It's actually a bit
more like putting on a helmet before riding a bike. See you Monday at
the brunch and maybe we can talk further! Anne
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-----Original Message-----
From: Marika Konings [marika.konings@icann.org]
Received: Sunday, 16 Dec 2012, 2:10am
To: Aikman-Scalese, Anne [AAikman@lrlaw.com];
gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org];
randruff@rnapartners.com [randruff@rnapartners.com];
Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu [Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu]
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
All, it may be worth pointing out that for every PDP as well as
non-PDP, there are regular status updates already provided. For example,
the GNSO project list which is updated on a monthly basis (see
http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/pending-projects-list.pdf). Also, each
project has their own page on the GNSO web-site which is updated with
every milestone activity (see
http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active-groups.htm). In
addition, each resolution that is adopted by the GNSO Council contains
the rationale for that decision in the 'whereas' clauses (see
http://gnso.icann.org/en/resolutions).
It should also be noted that an 'interim status report' is currently
not defined in the PDP Manual (what would need to be in there, who is
responsible for preparing it, would it need to be adopted by a vote of
the GNSO Council?). Furthermore, in addition to the Board, ICANN
Advisory Committees can also request Issue Reports, but they have not
been considered in this conversation.
As a result, I would really like to encourage the SCI to review this
issue in a broader context (if/when/how should PDP status updates be
provided to entities other than the GNSO Council during the lifespan of
a PDP, taking into account all the different communication tools already
in place) as part of the overall review of the PDP, instead of applying
a bandaid here to a wound that has not even manifested itself.
Best regards,
Marika
From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@lrlaw.com>
Date: Saturday 15 December 2012 18:58
To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org"
<gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>, "randruff@rnapartners.com"
<randruff@rnapartners.com>, "Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu"
<Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
Just a minor note that at this point we were not limiting the interim
status report to any "Board-directed PDP". I think the simplest add
would be to require an interim status report to the GNSO Council, e.g.
"all activities (other than an interim status report to the Council)
will halt." Then SCI could recommend that the interim status report be
published to the entire community. Anne
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From: Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu [Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu]
Received: Friday, 14 Dec 2012, 7:22pm
To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org];
Aikman-Scalese, Anne [AAikman@lrlaw.com]; randruff@rnapartners.com
[randruff@rnapartners.com]
Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
I support the concept of an interim report to be put out to the
community by the GNSO Council upon its suspension of a PDP; however, I'd
like to separate out our actual recommendation (which is to clarify what
and when there is considered to be a suspension of a PDP) with our
opinion as to either the GNSO Council's relationship with/reaction to
Board-directed PDPs or as to appropriate action by the Council in voting
for a suspension.
I'd therefore suggest a slight modification to our Option 3 - take the
language/mention of an interim report out of the sentence containing our
recommendation, and either add a new sentence following that, or create
an additional, related recommendation, stating that "The SCI recommends
that, in cases of suspension of a Board-directed PDP, the GNSO Council
issues an interim report stating the reasons for such suspension to the
community." Or something along those lines.
Cheers
Mary
Mary W S Wong
Professor of Law
Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP
Chair, Graduate IP Programs
UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW
Two White Street
Concord, NH 03301
USA
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>>> "Ron Andruff" 12/14/12 3:13 PM >>>
Dear all,
Recognizing that I am not yet installed as the Chair of the SCI until
our next meeting this coming Thursday (Dec. 20th), yet being responsible
for that meeting, (forgive me Wolf-Ulrich) I have two requests:
(1) It would be very helpful if all SCI members would look at where we
are with the ?Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote? and add your
thoughts. The most recent exchanges on that thread are noted below. It
appears that we have found a way forward, but this needs to be confirmed
by all members.
(2) I would also ask everyone to take a few minutes to complete the
Survey that Julie sent around again today with her request that we all
fill it out and note our experience and thoughts about amendments. She
has asked for this to be done by Wednesday, Dec. 19th, so please do take
a few minutes if you can spare them during this busy lead up to
Christmas so that we can have a productive discussion.
Thank you all in advance for attending to these two outstanding items.
Kind regards,
RA
Ronald N. Andruff
RNA Partners, Inc.
From:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
[mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of
Aikman-Scalese, Anne
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:44 PM
To: 'Ron Andruff'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
Ron, I would certainly support that notion in the interest of
accountability and transparency.
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Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:39 AM
To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
Cc: Aikman-Scalese, Anne
Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
Question for all re: an interim status report to the ICANN Board
If I understand Anne?s line of thinking, the concern is about how to
deal specifically with Board requested PDPs that are suspended.
However, option 3 sounds like we are recommending that the Board receive
an interim report whether they have initiated the PDP or not. This is a
significant change and would only add more to the Board?s already full
plate, in my view.
That said, in circumstance where a suspension has been called for, I do
see the merit of requesting that Council generate an interim report and
post it to inform the entire community of the suspension and reason(s)
for which it was suspended. That would be quite logical in the larger
scheme of things.
Anne, please correct me if I am wrong.
Kind regards,
RA
Ronald N. Andruff
RNA Partners, Inc.
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[mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of
Aikman-Scalese, Anne
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:58 AM
To: 'KnobenW@telekom.de'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
I would propose a third option:
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an
interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of
the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or
schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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Subject: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
All,
from the list I did not understand a clear objection against sending
the draft motion to the council with the option of withdrawing it if
there can't be found SCI consensus. So I took this responsibility and
did it to preserve this chance.
I'd like to encourage all of us to continue working at a solution re
the footnote. 2 suggestions are at the table:
1. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in
milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
Suspension is a STATEDtime interval during which there is a temporary
cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of
the GNSO Council, subject to ICANN Board review in those cases where the
Board has requested GNSO input. A mere change in milestones or schedule
of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an
interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of
the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or
schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
Please comment.
I wonder what how to proceed if there will be no consensus found at
thew time being. On the one hand I've got the impression that a majority
would be satisfied with suggestion #1 but also open to find a solution
which doesn't cause the need for another public comment period.
In case of no consensus we could also - as we did with other items
discussed at the SCI - report to the council where we are, that there
has been a public comment period successfully finished, but there are
still concerns which would prevent the SCI from consensus. The council
may then decide how to deal with the (publicly commented) text.
I would be thankful hearing your assessment on and under which
conditions consensus could still be achieved.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
Von: Aikman-Scalese, Anne [mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Dezember 2012 03:13
An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich
Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
I do not believe that this "negative response" mechanism is in
accordance with the full consensus process. I also believe I spoke
against this at the last reading. Anne
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From: KnobenW@telekom.de [KnobenW@telekom.de]
Received: Wednesday, 12 Dec 2012, 5:06am
To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]
Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
All,
per its charter, the SCI is expected to take decisions using a 'full
consensus' process ("when no one in the group speaks against the
recommendation in its last readings").
Obviously it would be ideal if all members support a certain position.
It would also be ideal if we find consensus today which is the deadline
for motions before the next counciil meeting. But in order to reduce
time pressure I could imagine the option to submit the draft motion
today, noting that there are some issues that are still being discussed
by the SCI which may result in withdrawal of the motion and agenda item
if no agreement can be found.
If there is no objection I'll do so accordingly at the end of the day.
Thanks for this valuable discussion and for your understanding.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>
To: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com>, "KnobenW@telekom.de"
<KnobenW@telekom.de>
Cc: "AAikman@lrlaw.com" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>, "avri@acm.org"
<avri@acm.org>, "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org"
<gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Alain,
One consideration is that if we add that language it is a substantive
change from the original footnote text. The previous suggestion ?
adding the word "stated" and deleting "until further notice" --- was
deemed by the SCI to be a minor clarification and thus didn't require us
to open a Public Comment Forum on new language. As discussed during
last Thursday's meeting, any substantive change to the text that was
presented in the public comment period that just ended on 03 December
would require that the revised text go out for public comment again at a
minimum of 21 days. Staff pointed out that with the holiday we would
probably need a longer period, perhaps 30 days.
With best regards,
Julie
Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
From: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:41 PM
To: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben <KnobenW@telekom.de>
Cc: "AAikman@lrlaw.com" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>, "avri@acm.org"
<avri@acm.org>, "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org"
<gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Can we simply insert that: ... when judged necessary by the Council,
the GNSO Chair can clarify with the Board any required change in scope,
timing, and priority...
Alain
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
We all stick to find consensus. I didn't want to suppress any
discussion, just bring it to the point.
First the wording must be accepted by all of us, then the procedure
should be agreed.
Anne, do you have a suggestion for the wording which could incorporate
the concern? Or do others have?
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
[mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] Im Auftrag von
Aikman-Scalese, Anne
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 17:45
An: 'Avri Doria'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Avri, thanks for sticking up for the process of consensus. I don't
think we are unanimous.
Anne
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[mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:39 AM
To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Hi,
Are we unanimous on this issue? I had the impression Anne was still
concerned.
avri
On 11 Dec 2012, at 14:28, <KnobenW@telekom.de> <KnobenW@telekom.de>
wrote:
> Thanks Marika for clarification.
>
> I'll forward the motion (clear) attached with the revised footnote
(redline) to the council list by tomorrows deadline for the 20 Dec
council meeting.
>
>
> Best regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 10:52
> An: Aikman-Scalese, Anne; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; avri@acm.org;
> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> Betreff: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Anne, Staff typically provides the Board with status updates on
issues
> that are of significant interest to the Board, but there are also
> examples of direct communication between the GNSO Council and the
> Board after the GNSO Council decided to terminate a PDP that had
been
> initiated to provide input to the ICANN Board (see for example the
Vertical Integration PDP:
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg09754.html).
> It is then up to the Board to decide how to proceed. For example, in
> the case of vertical integration, the Board made the following
> decision, absent GNSO Council recommendations:
>
http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-09nov10-en.htm.
>
> With best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> On 10/12/12 19:19, "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com> wrote:
>
>> Many thanks, Marika - very helpful. Whether or not the Board calls
>> its questions a "Request for an Issue Report" that then results in
>> initiation of a PDP seems less important substantively than the
>> reference to continuing consultation with the Board as to "scope,
>> timing, and priority". This discussion illustrates why I think
there
>> has to be some provision for communication with or involvement of
the
>> Board in connection with a GNSO vote to suspend a PDP which is
>> commenced as a result of a Board request for "answers" or for an
>> Issue Report. A unilateral suspension by GNSO of a PDP (even on
>> Supermajority vote) where the PDP was initiated as a result of such
a
>> Board request, is problematic if the Board needs to act. Is there a
>> provision for providing the Board with a full report as to the
status
>> of the PDP and maybe summarizing the differing opinions expressed
>> where no consensus was reached in the event of termination or
>> suspension? We should not leave the Board in the position where it
>> has to say, "We cannot act because the GNSO has not acted and has
not
>> answered our questions." This is particularly unsatisfactory where
the GAC has asked the Board to address an issue.
>> Anne
>>
>>
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>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Marika
>> Konings
>> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 4:05 AM
>> To: KnobenW@telekom.de; avri@acm.org;
gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>> Subject: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>
>> To clarify, there are currently two Board requested PDPs, one on
the
>> RAA ('Resolved (2011.10.28.33), the Board also requests the
creation
>> of an Issue Report to undertake a GNSO policy development process
>> (PDP) as quickly as possible to address remaining items suited for
a
>> PDP) and the recently requested Issue Report on the purpose of
Whois
>> ('hereby directs preparation of an Issue Report on the purpose of
>> collecting and maintaining gTLD registration data, and on solutions
>> to improve accuracy and access to gTLD registration data, as part
of
>> a Board-initiated GNSO policy development process'). As pointed out
>> by Avri, for PDPs initiated by the ICANN Board, there is no
>> intermediate vote by the GNSO Council, the PDP automatically
>> proceeds. However, the ICANN Bylaws foresee that in the case of a
>> Board initiated PDP, 'the Board should provide a mechanism by which
>> the GNSO Council can consult with the Board to provide information
>> on the scope, timing, and priority of the request for an Issue
>> Report'. In addition to this mechanism, the ICANN Board and GNSO
>> Council meet at every ICANN meeting where there is another
>> opportunity to discuss and/or express concerns with regard to Board
>> requested PDPs. For example, in relation to the RAA PDP, as a
result
>> of dialogue between the ICANN Board and GNSO Council it was agreed
to
>> 'suspend' the PDP until the RAA negotiations were near completion so
that it would be clear which topics would need to be included in the
PDP.
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> Marika
>>
>> On 09/12/12 08:12, "KnobenW@telekom.de" <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Avri, very helpful for understanding.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Avri
>>> Doria
>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Dezember 2012 05:39
>>> An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>> Betreff: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As I understand it, they have asked g-council for answers, but
they
>>> have not actually used the by-laws mechanism of requesting a PDP.
>>> The g-council has used the PDP as a method of deciding on answers.
>>> These are still g-council initiated PDPs. Had the Board asked for
>>> the PDP, there never would have been a vote in g-council to
initiate the PDP.
>>> Specifically:
>>>
>>> "
>>> March 212 20120314-1
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process (PDP) on
'thick'
>>> Whois
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on 'thick'
Whois
>>> at its meeting on 22 September 2011
>>> (seehttp://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109);
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> "
>>> November 2012 20121017-2
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process on the
>>> Protection of Certain International Organization Names in all
GTLDs.
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on the topic of
>>> whether ICANN should approve additional protections for the names
of
>>> international organizations at the first and second levels in the
>>> New gTLD Program.
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> Under the by-laws, ANNEX A: GNSO POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
>>>
>>> "
>>> Section 3. Requesting an Issue Report
>>>
>>> Board Request. The Board may request an Issue Report by
instructing
>>> the GNSO Council ("Council") to begin the process outlined the PDP
Manual.
>>> In the event the Board makes a request for an Issue Report, the
>>> Board should provide a mechanism by which the GNSO Council can
>>> consult with the Board to provide information on the scope,
timing,
>>> and priority of the request for an Issue Report.
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> Section 5. Initiation of the PDP
>>>
>>> The Council may initiate the PDP as follows:
>>>
>>> Board Request: If the Board requested an Issue Report, the
Council,
>>> within the timeframe set forth in thePDP Manual, shall initiate a
PDP.
>>> No vote is required for such action.
>>> "
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 Dec 2012, at 03:20, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:
>>>
>>>> Must be my misunderstanding... I thought both the current whois
PDP
>>>> and IOC RC NGO PDP were requested by the ICANN Board. Anne
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ron Andruff [randruff@rnapartners.com]
>>>> Received: Saturday, 08 Dec 2012, 3:06pm
>>>> To: 'Avri Doria' [avri@acm.org]; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]
>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I support Avri's comments as well. The Board's role is to commit
>>>> policy that has been developed through the bottom up process
into
>>>> rule by way of resolution. Although the history of the Board's
>>>> actions to date might prove otherwise, in an ever-maturing ICANN
>>>> environment we should expect the Board to conform to ICANN's
basic
>>>> principles.
>>>>
>>>> I support the footnote amendment as proposed.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> RA
>>>>
>>>> Ronald N. Andruff
>>>> RNA Partners, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri
>>>> Doria
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:47 AM
>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think the question of what the Board would do if g-council ever
>>>> suspended a PDP that they mandated is an open question. I
expect
>>>> they would either wait, question the postponement, or make one
>>>> their preemptory decisions.
>>>> Since the Board has never yet, to my knowledge, mandated a PDP -
>>>> though they can - I do not think it is a critical issue at this
>>>> point, and in any case think it is a separate issue from the
>>>> suspension mechanism. All other PDPs are g-council decsions,
even
>>>> if the issues report is requested by one of the ACs.
>>>>
>>>> I am fine with the footnote. thanks.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 Dec 2012, at 18:26, <KnobenW@telekom.de>
<KnobenW@telekom.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anne and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> this touches the question whether the board may overrule a
council
>>>> decision on suspension because you're expressing an expectation
>>>> that the council should follow a related board request. I think
>>>> this could be the case depending on a council debate following
the
>>>> board request but there is no obligation to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> With this understanding, an you agree to the footnote provided
by
>>>> Julie?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] Im Auftrag von
>>>> Aikman-Scalese, Anne
>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Dezember 2012 18:43
>>>>> An: 'J. Scott Evans'; Julie Hedlund;
>>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>>> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> This makes sense. Is it clear to everyone that if the ICANN
Board
>>>> says,
>>>> "Sorry, GNSO, we don't want you to suspend because we need an
>>>> answer
>>>> - go back to the drawing board," then that is what will happen?
>>>>>
>>>>> Deadlock is deadly for ICANN. If GNSO can't work effectively
and
>>>>> the
>>>> Board has to act (pursuant to GAC Advice or otherwise), then
Fadi's
>>>> "oasis"
>>>> announced in Dubai becomes more of a "quagmire" and pressure
>>>> increases to take control away from ICANN.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only raise this because it seems to me the question will come
up
>>>>> at
>>>> the
>>>> GNSO level.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anne
>>>>>
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>>>>> From: J. Scott Evans [mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:20 AM
>>>>> To: Julie Hedlund; Aikman-Scalese, Anne;
>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> I can live with that and I don't think this require further
public
>>>> comment
>>>> since it merely clarifies the suspension.
>>>>>
>>>>> jse
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>>>>>
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>
>>>>> To: "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>;
>>>> "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org"
<gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Anne. Then, would you want "until further notice" to be
>>>> deleted?
>>>> If so, here's an amended text for all to review.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council. A mere change in milestones or
>>>> schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@LRLaw.com>
>>>>> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:32 PM
>>>>> To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org"
>>>> <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>,
>>>> Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>
>>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the relationship between "stated" and "until further
notice"?
>>>> If
>>>> "stated" applies, then it seems that "until further notice" would
>>>> not apply.
>>>> Anne
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund [julie.hedlund@icann.org]
>>>>> Received: Thursday, 06 Dec 2012, 2:15pm
>>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]
>>>>> Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed
>>>> Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear SCI members,
>>>>>
>>>>> As we discussed on today's call, J. Scott has proposed a
>>>> clarification to
>>>> the footnote text for the PDP Manual, Section 15, on Suspending a
PDP.
>>>> Please review the revised following text with the change in bold
>>>> all
>>>> caps:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change
>>>> in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a
suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> For reference, I have included the entire section below so that
>>>>> the
>>>> footnote may be viewed in context.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was suggested on the call that if this clarification is
>>>>> accepted
>>>> by the
>>>> SCI members it will not require a new public comment period.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Please send any comments by COB Monday, 10 December so that if
>>>>> the
>>>> SCI
>>>> decides to submit a motion it may do so by the deadline of
>>>> Wednesday,
>>>> 12
>>>> December.**
>>>>>
>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>>>>>
>>>>> 15. Termination of PDP prior to Final Report
>>>>>
>>>>> The GNSO Council may terminate or suspend[1] a PDP prior to the
>>>> publication of a Final Report only for significant cause, upon a
>>>> motion that passes with a Supermajority Vote in favour of
>>>> termination orsuspension.
>>>> The
>>>> following are illustrative examples of possible reasons for a
>>>> premature termination or suspension of a PDP:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Deadlock. The PDP Team is hopelessly deadlocked and unable
to
>>>> identify recommendations or statements that have either the
strong
>>>> support or a consensus of its members despite significant time
and
>>>> resources being dedicated to the PDP;
>>>>> 2. Changing Circumstances. Events have occurred since the
>>>> initiation
>>>> of the PDP that have rendered the PDP moot, or no longer
necessary;
>>>> or warranting a suspension; or
>>>>> 3. Lack of Community Volunteers. Despite several calls for
>>>> participation, the work of the PDP Team issignificantly impaired
>>>> and unable to effectively conclude its deliberations due to lack
>>>> of volunteer participation.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is no recommendation from the PDP Team for its
>>>>> termination,
>>>> the
>>>> Council is required to conduct a public comment forum first prior
>>>> to conducting a vote on the termination of the PDP (as described
above).
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until furthernotice. A mere change
in
>>>> milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a
suspension.
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New subject: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Mary and Marika, I think this discussion points out why more thought is needed in this process. To go back to the question I had raised, there is a basic problem of the Board being put in an unworkable position if it does not get answers from the GNSO. A statement of why the PDP is being suspended is not in fact the same as a summary of where the working group finds itself at the time of suspension, the different viewpoints that exist at that time, etc. I believe that there is a lot at stake if ICANN is unable to effectively address GAC advice in particular with timely policy input from the GNSO. There can be many possible reasons for suspension, but a written report of the status should be required at suspension or the GNSO may simply leave the Board (and sometimes the GAC) in limbo. If and when that happens, it provides support for the arguments of those who would vest more control in individual governments.
I am honestly beginning to think that the real "bandaid" in this scenario is a suspension provision that is codified in the PDP manual (part of GNSO Operating procedures) without adequate analysis of the consequences. Perhaps a perceived need to codify this should be part of the process that Marika has mentioned when the SCI looks at the entire PDP process in one year. Apparently suspension was not addressed in the PDP working group so maybe we should not be trying to do the job for them. Suspension is not merely a minor subset of termination which has no consequences on policy or organizational effectiveness.
In terms of consensus process, I have shared my concerns with IPC leadership over the past ten days and am awaiting their further direction. This is one reason that I say a "negative response" mechanism does not meet the full consensus process. There are also problems with this approach in terms of system downtime, travel, and time zones such as Mary is facing right now.
By the way, I should also mention that the version of the December 6 transcript that was posted right after that meeting contained a number of inaccuracies. For example, it credits Marika with saying that it is more important to get it right than it is to be concerned that this has been out for public comment. I doubt she wants to be credited with that statement. There were also inaccuracies in the transcript of what I said. To the extent that GNSO councilors may have viewed the written transcript to inform themselves on the issue, there could be some misunderstandings.
I am headed to the Prioritization Draw today and have some other deadlines. I will check back into this list tomorrow. Again, I am awaiting further direction from IPC leadership with respect to this matter.
Thank you,
Anne
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Thanks, Marika - perhaps using the term "interim status report" conveys more than I'd intended to suggest in supporting the concept. What I had in mind was simply a statement from the Council when voting to suspend a PDP, giving its reasons for so doing. The intention was to so notify the community - incuding the ICANN Board in cases of Board-directed PDPs - that such an action had been taken. As such, and instead of using the term "interim status report" we could just say "a statement of reasons" from the GNSO Council.
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Subject:
Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Marika, I see the point of broader considerations but think the analogy to a bandaid on an unmanifested wound is very poor. It's actually a bit more like putting on a helmet before riding a bike. See you Monday at the brunch and maybe we can talk further! Anne
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All, it may be worth pointing out that for every PDP as well as non-PDP, there are regular status updates already provided. For example, the GNSO project list which is updated on a monthly basis (see http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/pending-projects-list.pdf). Also, each project has their own page on the GNSO web-site which is updated with every milestone activity (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active-groups.htm). In addition, each resolution that is adopted by the GNSO Council contains the rationale for that decision in the 'whereas' clauses (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/resolutions).
It should also be noted that an 'interim status report' is currently not defined in the PDP Manual (what would need to be in there, who is responsible for preparing it, would it need to be adopted by a vote of the GNSO Council?). Furthermore, in addition to the Board, ICANN Advisory Committees can also request Issue Reports, but they have not been considered in this conversation.
As a result, I would really like to encourage the SCI to review this issue in a broader context (if/when/how should PDP status updates be provided to entities other than the GNSO Council during the lifespan of a PDP, taking into account all the different communication tools already in place) as part of the overall review of the PDP, instead of applying a bandaid here to a wound that has not even manifested itself.
Best regards,
Marika
From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>
Date: Saturday 15 December 2012 18:58
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Just a minor note that at this point we were not limiting the interim status report to any "Board-directed PDP". I think the simplest add would be to require an interim status report to the GNSO Council, e.g. "all activities (other than an interim status report to the Council) will halt." Then SCI could recommend that the interim status report be published to the entire community. Anne
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I support the concept of an interim report to be put out to the community by the GNSO Council upon its suspension of a PDP; however, I'd like to separate out our actual recommendation (which is to clarify what and when there is considered to be a suspension of a PDP) with our opinion as to either the GNSO Council's relationship with/reaction to Board-directed PDPs or as to appropriate action by the Council in voting for a suspension.
I'd therefore suggest a slight modification to our Option 3 - take the language/mention of an interim report out of the sentence containing our recommendation, and either add a new sentence following that, or create an additional, related recommendation, stating that "The SCI recommends that, in cases of suspension of a Board-directed PDP, the GNSO Council issues an interim report stating the reasons for such suspension to the community." Or something along those lines.
Cheers
Mary
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>>> "Ron Andruff" 12/14/12 3:13 PM >>>
Dear all,
Recognizing that I am not yet installed as the Chair of the SCI until our next meeting this coming Thursday (Dec. 20th), yet being responsible for that meeting, (forgive me Wolf-Ulrich) I have two requests:
(1) It would be very helpful if all SCI members would look at where we are with the ?Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote? and add your thoughts. The most recent exchanges on that thread are noted below. It appears that we have found a way forward, but this needs to be confirmed by all members.
(2) I would also ask everyone to take a few minutes to complete the Survey that Julie sent around again today with her request that we all fill it out and note our experience and thoughts about amendments. She has asked for this to be done by Wednesday, Dec. 19th, so please do take a few minutes if you can spare them during this busy lead up to Christmas so that we can have a productive discussion.
Thank you all in advance for attending to these two outstanding items.
Kind regards,
RA
Ronald N. Andruff
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Ron, I would certainly support that notion in the interest of accountability and transparency.
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Question for all re: an interim status report to the ICANN Board
If I understand Anne?s line of thinking, the concern is about how to deal specifically with Board requested PDPs that are suspended. However, option 3 sounds like we are recommending that the Board receive an interim report whether they have initiated the PDP or not. This is a significant change and would only add more to the Board?s already full plate, in my view.
That said, in circumstance where a suspension has been called for, I do see the merit of requesting that Council generate an interim report and post it to inform the entire community of the suspension and reason(s) for which it was suspended. That would be quite logical in the larger scheme of things.
Anne, please correct me if I am wrong.
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I would propose a third option:
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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Subject: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All,
from the list I did not understand a clear objection against sending the draft motion to the council with the option of withdrawing it if there can't be found SCI consensus. So I took this responsibility and did it to preserve this chance.
I'd like to encourage all of us to continue working at a solution re the footnote. 2 suggestions are at the table:
1. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
1.
Suspension is a STATEDtime interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council, subject to ICANN Board review in those cases where the Board has requested GNSO input. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
Please comment.
I wonder what how to proceed if there will be no consensus found at thew time being. On the one hand I've got the impression that a majority would be satisfied with suggestion #1 but also open to find a solution which doesn't cause the need for another public comment period.
In case of no consensus we could also - as we did with other items discussed at the SCI - report to the council where we are, that there has been a public comment period successfully finished, but there are still concerns which would prevent the SCI from consensus. The council may then decide how to deal with the (publicly commented) text.
I would be thankful hearing your assessment on and under which conditions consensus could still be achieved.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I do not believe that this "negative response" mechanism is in accordance with the full consensus process. I also believe I spoke against this at the last reading. Anne
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Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All,
per its charter, the SCI is expected to take decisions using a 'full consensus' process ("when no one in the group speaks against the recommendation in its last readings").
Obviously it would be ideal if all members support a certain position.
It would also be ideal if we find consensus today which is the deadline for motions before the next counciil meeting. But in order to reduce time pressure I could imagine the option to submit the draft motion today, noting that there are some issues that are still being discussed by the SCI which may result in withdrawal of the motion and agenda item if no agreement can be found.
If there is no objection I'll do so accordingly at the end of the day.
Thanks for this valuable discussion and for your understanding.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Alain,
One consideration is that if we add that language it is a substantive change from the original footnote text. The previous suggestion ? adding the word "stated" and deleting "until further notice" --- was deemed by the SCI to be a minor clarification and thus didn't require us to open a Public Comment Forum on new language. As discussed during last Thursday's meeting, any substantive change to the text that was presented in the public comment period that just ended on 03 December would require that the revised text go out for public comment again at a minimum of 21 days. Staff pointed out that with the holiday we would probably need a longer period, perhaps 30 days.
With best regards,
Julie
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From: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com<mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com>>
Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:41 PM
To: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>>
Cc: "AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>, "avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>" <avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>>, "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Can we simply insert that: ... when judged necessary by the Council, the GNSO Chair can clarify with the Board any required change in scope, timing, and priority...
Alain
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
We all stick to find consensus. I didn't want to suppress any discussion, just bring it to the point.
First the wording must be accepted by all of us, then the procedure should be agreed.
Anne, do you have a suggestion for the wording which could incorporate the concern? Or do others have?
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Avri, thanks for sticking up for the process of consensus. I don't think we are unanimous.
Anne
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Hi,
Are we unanimous on this issue? I had the impression Anne was still concerned.
avri
On 11 Dec 2012, at 14:28, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
> Thanks Marika for clarification.
>
> I'll forward the motion (clear) attached with the revised footnote (redline) to the council list by tomorrows deadline for the 20 Dec council meeting.
>
>
> Best regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
>
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> Von: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 10:52
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> Betreff: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Anne, Staff typically provides the Board with status updates on issues
> that are of significant interest to the Board, but there are also
> examples of direct communication between the GNSO Council and the
> Board after the GNSO Council decided to terminate a PDP that had been
> initiated to provide input to the ICANN Board (see for example the Vertical Integration PDP:
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg09754.html).
> It is then up to the Board to decide how to proceed. For example, in
> the case of vertical integration, the Board made the following
> decision, absent GNSO Council recommendations:
> http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-09nov10-en.htm.
>
> With best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> On 10/12/12 19:19, "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>> wrote:
>
>> Many thanks, Marika - very helpful. Whether or not the Board calls
>> its questions a "Request for an Issue Report" that then results in
>> initiation of a PDP seems less important substantively than the
>> reference to continuing consultation with the Board as to "scope,
>> timing, and priority". This discussion illustrates why I think there
>> has to be some provision for communication with or involvement of the
>> Board in connection with a GNSO vote to suspend a PDP which is
>> commenced as a result of a Board request for "answers" or for an
>> Issue Report. A unilateral suspension by GNSO of a PDP (even on
>> Supermajority vote) where the PDP was initiated as a result of such a
>> Board request, is problematic if the Board needs to act. Is there a
>> provision for providing the Board with a full report as to the status
>> of the PDP and maybe summarizing the differing opinions expressed
>> where no consensus was reached in the event of termination or
>> suspension? We should not leave the Board in the position where it
>> has to say, "We cannot act because the GNSO has not acted and has not
>> answered our questions." This is particularly unsatisfactory where the GAC has asked the Board to address an issue.
>> Anne
>>
>>
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>> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Marika
>> Konings
>> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 4:05 AM
>> To: KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>; avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>
>> To clarify, there are currently two Board requested PDPs, one on the
>> RAA ('Resolved (2011.10.28.33), the Board also requests the creation
>> of an Issue Report to undertake a GNSO policy development process
>> (PDP) as quickly as possible to address remaining items suited for a
>> PDP) and the recently requested Issue Report on the purpose of Whois
>> ('hereby directs preparation of an Issue Report on the purpose of
>> collecting and maintaining gTLD registration data, and on solutions
>> to improve accuracy and access to gTLD registration data, as part of
>> a Board-initiated GNSO policy development process'). As pointed out
>> by Avri, for PDPs initiated by the ICANN Board, there is no
>> intermediate vote by the GNSO Council, the PDP automatically
>> proceeds. However, the ICANN Bylaws foresee that in the case of a
>> Board initiated PDP, 'the Board should provide a mechanism by which
>> the GNSO Council can consult with the Board to provide information
>> on the scope, timing, and priority of the request for an Issue
>> Report'. In addition to this mechanism, the ICANN Board and GNSO
>> Council meet at every ICANN meeting where there is another
>> opportunity to discuss and/or express concerns with regard to Board
>> requested PDPs. For example, in relation to the RAA PDP, as a result
>> of dialogue between the ICANN Board and GNSO Council it was agreed to
>> 'suspend' the PDP until the RAA negotiations were near completion so that it would be clear which topics would need to be included in the PDP.
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> Marika
>>
>> On 09/12/12 08:12, "KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>" <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Avri, very helpful for understanding.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] Im Auftrag von Avri
>>> Doria
>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Dezember 2012 05:39
>>> An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>> Betreff: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As I understand it, they have asked g-council for answers, but they
>>> have not actually used the by-laws mechanism of requesting a PDP.
>>> The g-council has used the PDP as a method of deciding on answers.
>>> These are still g-council initiated PDPs. Had the Board asked for
>>> the PDP, there never would have been a vote in g-council to initiate the PDP.
>>> Specifically:
>>>
>>> "
>>> March 212 20120314-1
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process (PDP) on 'thick'
>>> Whois
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on 'thick' Whois
>>> at its meeting on 22 September 2011
>>> (seehttp://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109<http://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109>);
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> "
>>> November 2012 20121017-2
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process on the
>>> Protection of Certain International Organization Names in all GTLDs.
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on the topic of
>>> whether ICANN should approve additional protections for the names of
>>> international organizations at the first and second levels in the
>>> New gTLD Program.
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> Under the by-laws, ANNEX A: GNSO POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
>>>
>>> "
>>> Section 3. Requesting an Issue Report
>>>
>>> Board Request. The Board may request an Issue Report by instructing
>>> the GNSO Council ("Council") to begin the process outlined the PDP Manual.
>>> In the event the Board makes a request for an Issue Report, the
>>> Board should provide a mechanism by which the GNSO Council can
>>> consult with the Board to provide information on the scope, timing,
>>> and priority of the request for an Issue Report.
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> Section 5. Initiation of the PDP
>>>
>>> The Council may initiate the PDP as follows:
>>>
>>> Board Request: If the Board requested an Issue Report, the Council,
>>> within the timeframe set forth in thePDP Manual, shall initiate a PDP.
>>> No vote is required for such action.
>>> "
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 Dec 2012, at 03:20, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:
>>>
>>>> Must be my misunderstanding... I thought both the current whois PDP
>>>> and IOC RC NGO PDP were requested by the ICANN Board. Anne
>>>>
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ron Andruff [randruff@rnapartners.com<mailto:randruff@rnapartners.com>]
>>>> Received: Saturday, 08 Dec 2012, 3:06pm
>>>> To: 'Avri Doria' [avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>]; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>]
>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I support Avri's comments as well. The Board's role is to commit
>>>> policy that has been developed through the bottom up process into
>>>> rule by way of resolution. Although the history of the Board's
>>>> actions to date might prove otherwise, in an ever-maturing ICANN
>>>> environment we should expect the Board to conform to ICANN's basic
>>>> principles.
>>>>
>>>> I support the footnote amendment as proposed.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> RA
>>>>
>>>> Ronald N. Andruff
>>>> RNA Partners, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Avri
>>>> Doria
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:47 AM
>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think the question of what the Board would do if g-council ever
>>>> suspended a PDP that they mandated is an open question. I expect
>>>> they would either wait, question the postponement, or make one
>>>> their preemptory decisions.
>>>> Since the Board has never yet, to my knowledge, mandated a PDP -
>>>> though they can - I do not think it is a critical issue at this
>>>> point, and in any case think it is a separate issue from the
>>>> suspension mechanism. All other PDPs are g-council decsions, even
>>>> if the issues report is requested by one of the ACs.
>>>>
>>>> I am fine with the footnote. thanks.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 Dec 2012, at 18:26, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anne and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> this touches the question whether the board may overrule a council
>>>> decision on suspension because you're expressing an expectation
>>>> that the council should follow a related board request. I think
>>>> this could be the case depending on a council debate following the
>>>> board request but there is no obligation to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> With this understanding, an you agree to the footnote provided by
>>>> Julie?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] Im Auftrag von
>>>> Aikman-Scalese, Anne
>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Dezember 2012 18:43
>>>>> An: 'J. Scott Evans'; Julie Hedlund;
>>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> This makes sense. Is it clear to everyone that if the ICANN Board
>>>> says,
>>>> "Sorry, GNSO, we don't want you to suspend because we need an
>>>> answer
>>>> - go back to the drawing board," then that is what will happen?
>>>>>
>>>>> Deadlock is deadly for ICANN. If GNSO can't work effectively and
>>>>> the
>>>> Board has to act (pursuant to GAC Advice or otherwise), then Fadi's
>>>> "oasis"
>>>> announced in Dubai becomes more of a "quagmire" and pressure
>>>> increases to take control away from ICANN.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only raise this because it seems to me the question will come up
>>>>> at
>>>> the
>>>> GNSO level.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anne
>>>>>
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>>>>> From: J. Scott Evans [mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com>]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:20 AM
>>>>> To: Julie Hedlund; Aikman-Scalese, Anne;
>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> I can live with that and I don't think this require further public
>>>> comment
>>>> since it merely clarifies the suspension.
>>>>>
>>>>> jse
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>
>>>>> To: "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>;
>>>> "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Anne. Then, would you want "until further notice" to be
>>>> deleted?
>>>> If so, here's an amended text for all to review.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council. A mere change in milestones or
>>>> schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@LRLaw.com<mailto:AAikman@LRLaw.com>>
>>>>> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:32 PM
>>>>> To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>"
>>>> <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>,
>>>> Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>
>>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the relationship between "stated" and "until further notice"?
>>>> If
>>>> "stated" applies, then it seems that "until further notice" would
>>>> not apply.
>>>> Anne
>>>>>
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund [julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>]
>>>>> Received: Thursday, 06 Dec 2012, 2:15pm
>>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>]
>>>>> Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed
>>>> Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear SCI members,
>>>>>
>>>>> As we discussed on today's call, J. Scott has proposed a
>>>> clarification to
>>>> the footnote text for the PDP Manual, Section 15, on Suspending a PDP.
>>>> Please review the revised following text with the change in bold
>>>> all
>>>> caps:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change
>>>> in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> For reference, I have included the entire section below so that
>>>>> the
>>>> footnote may be viewed in context.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was suggested on the call that if this clarification is
>>>>> accepted
>>>> by the
>>>> SCI members it will not require a new public comment period.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Please send any comments by COB Monday, 10 December so that if
>>>>> the
>>>> SCI
>>>> decides to submit a motion it may do so by the deadline of
>>>> Wednesday,
>>>> 12
>>>> December.**
>>>>>
>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>>>>>
>>>>> 15. Termination of PDP prior to Final Report
>>>>>
>>>>> The GNSO Council may terminate or suspend[1] a PDP prior to the
>>>> publication of a Final Report only for significant cause, upon a
>>>> motion that passes with a Supermajority Vote in favour of
>>>> termination orsuspension.
>>>> The
>>>> following are illustrative examples of possible reasons for a
>>>> premature termination or suspension of a PDP:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Deadlock. The PDP Team is hopelessly deadlocked and unable to
>>>> identify recommendations or statements that have either the strong
>>>> support or a consensus of its members despite significant time and
>>>> resources being dedicated to the PDP;
>>>>> 2. Changing Circumstances. Events have occurred since the
>>>> initiation
>>>> of the PDP that have rendered the PDP moot, or no longer necessary;
>>>> or warranting a suspension; or
>>>>> 3. Lack of Community Volunteers. Despite several calls for
>>>> participation, the work of the PDP Team issignificantly impaired
>>>> and unable to effectively conclude its deliberations due to lack
>>>> of volunteer participation.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is no recommendation from the PDP Team for its
>>>>> termination,
>>>> the
>>>> Council is required to conduct a public comment forum first prior
>>>> to conducting a vote on the termination of the PDP (as described above).
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until furthernotice. A mere change in
>>>> milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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12:43 p.m.
New subject: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Hi,
I think that whether we are using positive or negative consensus, once someone raise a concern flag, it is an active consensus, at least with regard to that one person.
I can't see us moving forward on this, until everyone is satisfied. I am certainly not in favro of having the g-council vote on it as it stands.
avri
On 17 Dec 2012, at 13:10, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:
> Mary and Marika, I think this discussion points out why more thought is needed in this process. To go back to the question I had raised, there is a basic problem of the Board being put in an unworkable position if it does not get answers from the GNSO. A statement of why the PDP is being suspended is not in fact the same as a summary of where the working group finds itself at the time of suspension, the different viewpoints that exist at that time, etc. I believe that there is a lot at stake if ICANN is unable to effectively address GAC advice in particular with timely policy input from the GNSO. There can be many possible reasons for suspension, but a written report of the status should be required at suspension or the GNSO may simply leave the Board (and sometimes the GAC) in limbo. If and when that happens, it provides support for the arguments of those who would vest more control in individual governments.
>
> I am honestly beginning to think that the real "bandaid" in this scenario is a suspension provision that is codified in the PDP manual (part of GNSO Operating procedures) without adequate analysis of the consequences. Perhaps a perceived need to codify this should be part of the process that Marika has mentioned when the SCI looks at the entire PDP process in one year. Apparently suspension was not addressed in the PDP working group so maybe we should not be trying to do the job for them. Suspension is not merely a minor subset of termination which has no consequences on policy or organizational effectiveness.
>
> In terms of consensus process, I have shared my concerns with IPC leadership over the past ten days and am awaiting their further direction. This is one reason that I say a "negative response" mechanism does not meet the full consensus process. There are also problems with this approach in terms of system downtime, travel, and time zones such as Mary is facing right now.
>
> By the way, I should also mention that the version of the December 6 transcript that was posted right after that meeting contained a number of inaccuracies. For example, it credits Marika with saying that it is more important to get it right than it is to be concerned that this has been out for public comment. I doubt she wants to be credited with that statement. There were also inaccuracies in the transcript of what I said. To the extent that GNSO councilors may have viewed the written transcript to inform themselves on the issue, there could be some misunderstandings.
> I am headed to the Prioritization Draw today and have some other deadlines. I will check back into this list tomorrow. Again, I am awaiting further direction from IPC leadership with respect to this matter.
> Thank you,
> Anne
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu [Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu]
> Received: Sunday, 16 Dec 2012, 8:23am
> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]; marika.konings@icann.org [marika.konings@icann.org]; Aikman-Scalese, Anne [AAikman@lrlaw.com]; randruff@rnapartners.com [randruff@rnapartners.com]
> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Thanks, Marika - perhaps using the term "interim status report" conveys more than I'd intended to suggest in supporting the concept. What I had in mind was simply a statement from the Council when voting to suspend a PDP, giving its reasons for so doing. The intention was to so notify the community - incuding the ICANN Board in cases of Board-directed PDPs - that such an action had been taken. As such, and instead of using the term "interim status report" we could just say "a statement of reasons" from the GNSO Council.
>
> Cheers
> Mary
>
>
>
> Mary W S Wong
> Professor of Law
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>
> >>>
> From:
> "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>
> To:
> "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>, "randruff@rnapartners.com" <randruff@rnapartners.com>, "Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu" <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>, "marika.konings@icann.org" <marika.konings@icann.org>
> Date:
> 12/16/2012 8:29 AM
> Subject:
> Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> Marika, I see the point of broader considerations but think the analogy to a bandaid on an unmanifested wound is very poor. It's actually a bit more like putting on a helmet before riding a bike. See you Monday at the brunch and maybe we can talk further! Anne
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marika Konings [marika.konings@icann.org]
> Received: Sunday, 16 Dec 2012, 2:10am
> To: Aikman-Scalese, Anne [AAikman@lrlaw.com]; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]; randruff@rnapartners.com [randruff@rnapartners.com]; Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu [Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu]
> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> All, it may be worth pointing out that for every PDP as well as non-PDP, there are regular status updates already provided. For example, the GNSO project list which is updated on a monthly basis (see http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/pending-projects-list.pdf). Also, each project has their own page on the GNSO web-site which is updated with every milestone activity (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active-groups.htm). In addition, each resolution that is adopted by the GNSO Council contains the rationale for that decision in the 'whereas' clauses (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/resolutions).
>
> It should also be noted that an 'interim status report' is currently not defined in the PDP Manual (what would need to be in there, who is responsible for preparing it, would it need to be adopted by a vote of the GNSO Council?). Furthermore, in addition to the Board, ICANN Advisory Committees can also request Issue Reports, but they have not been considered in this conversation.
>
> As a result, I would really like to encourage the SCI to review this issue in a broader context (if/when/how should PDP status updates be provided to entities other than the GNSO Council during the lifespan of a PDP, taking into account all the different communication tools already in place) as part of the overall review of the PDP, instead of applying a bandaid here to a wound that has not even manifested itself.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@lrlaw.com>
> Date: Saturday 15 December 2012 18:58
> To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>, "randruff@rnapartners.com" <randruff@rnapartners.com>, "Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu" <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>
> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Just a minor note that at this point we were not limiting the interim status report to any "Board-directed PDP". I think the simplest add would be to require an interim status report to the GNSO Council, e.g. "all activities (other than an interim status report to the Council) will halt." Then SCI could recommend that the interim status report be published to the entire community. Anne
>
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> From: Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu [Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu]
> Received: Friday, 14 Dec 2012, 7:22pm
> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]; Aikman-Scalese, Anne [AAikman@lrlaw.com]; randruff@rnapartners.com [randruff@rnapartners.com]
> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> I support the concept of an interim report to be put out to the community by the GNSO Council upon its suspension of a PDP; however, I'd like to separate out our actual recommendation (which is to clarify what and when there is considered to be a suspension of a PDP) with our opinion as to either the GNSO Council's relationship with/reaction to Board-directed PDPs or as to appropriate action by the Council in voting for a suspension.
>
> I'd therefore suggest a slight modification to our Option 3 - take the language/mention of an interim report out of the sentence containing our recommendation, and either add a new sentence following that, or create an additional, related recommendation, stating that "The SCI recommends that, in cases of suspension of a Board-directed PDP, the GNSO Council issues an interim report stating the reasons for such suspension to the community." Or something along those lines.
>
> Cheers
> Mary
>
>
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> >>> "Ron Andruff" 12/14/12 3:13 PM >>>
> Dear all,
>
> Recognizing that I am not yet installed as the Chair of the SCI until our next meeting this coming Thursday (Dec. 20th), yet being responsible for that meeting, (forgive me Wolf-Ulrich) I have two requests:
>
> (1) It would be very helpful if all SCI members would look at where we are with the ?Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote? and add your thoughts. The most recent exchanges on that thread are noted below. It appears that we have found a way forward, but this needs to be confirmed by all members.
>
> (2) I would also ask everyone to take a few minutes to complete the Survey that Julie sent around again today with her request that we all fill it out and note our experience and thoughts about amendments. She has asked for this to be done by Wednesday, Dec. 19th, so please do take a few minutes if you can spare them during this busy lead up to Christmas so that we can have a productive discussion.
>
> Thank you all in advance for attending to these two outstanding items.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> RA
>
> Ronald N. Andruff
> RNA Partners, Inc.
>
>
> From:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Aikman-Scalese, Anne
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:44 PM
> To: 'Ron Andruff'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Ron, I would certainly support that notion in the interest of accountability and transparency.
>
> Anne E. Aikman-Scalese
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> Cc: Aikman-Scalese, Anne
> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> Question for all re: an interim status report to the ICANN Board
>
> If I understand Anne?s line of thinking, the concern is about how to deal specifically with Board requested PDPs that are suspended. However, option 3 sounds like we are recommending that the Board receive an interim report whether they have initiated the PDP or not. This is a significant change and would only add more to the Board?s already full plate, in my view.
>
> That said, in circumstance where a suspension has been called for, I do see the merit of requesting that Council generate an interim report and post it to inform the entire community of the suspension and reason(s) for which it was suspended. That would be quite logical in the larger scheme of things.
>
> Anne, please correct me if I am wrong.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> RA
>
> Ronald N. Andruff
> RNA Partners, Inc.
>
>
>
> From:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Aikman-Scalese, Anne
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:58 AM
> To: 'KnobenW@telekom.de'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> I would propose a third option:
> 3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
>
>
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> From:KnobenW@telekom.de [mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de]
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:49 AM
> To: Aikman-Scalese, Anne; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> Subject: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> All,
>
> from the list I did not understand a clear objection against sending the draft motion to the council with the option of withdrawing it if there can't be found SCI consensus. So I took this responsibility and did it to preserve this chance.
>
> I'd like to encourage all of us to continue working at a solution re the footnote. 2 suggestions are at the table:
> 1. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
> •
> Suspension is a STATEDtime interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council, subject to ICANN Board review in those cases where the Board has requested GNSO input. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
> 3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
>
>
> Please comment.
>
> I wonder what how to proceed if there will be no consensus found at thew time being. On the one hand I've got the impression that a majority would be satisfied with suggestion #1 but also open to find a solution which doesn't cause the need for another public comment period.
> In case of no consensus we could also - as we did with other items discussed at the SCI - report to the council where we are, that there has been a public comment period successfully finished, but there are still concerns which would prevent the SCI from consensus. The council may then decide how to deal with the (publicly commented) text.
>
> I would be thankful hearing your assessment on and under which conditions consensus could still be achieved.
> Best regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
> Von: Aikman-Scalese, Anne [mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Dezember 2012 03:13
> An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich
> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> I do not believe that this "negative response" mechanism is in accordance with the full consensus process. I also believe I spoke against this at the last reading. Anne
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: KnobenW@telekom.de [KnobenW@telekom.de]
> Received: Wednesday, 12 Dec 2012, 5:06am
> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]
> Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> All,
>
> per its charter, the SCI is expected to take decisions using a 'full consensus' process ("when no one in the group speaks against the recommendation in its last readings").
> Obviously it would be ideal if all members support a certain position.
>
> It would also be ideal if we find consensus today which is the deadline for motions before the next counciil meeting. But in order to reduce time pressure I could imagine the option to submit the draft motion today, noting that there are some issues that are still being discussed by the SCI which may result in withdrawal of the motion and agenda item if no agreement can be found.
>
> If there is no objection I'll do so accordingly at the end of the day.
>
> Thanks for this valuable discussion and for your understanding.
>
> Best regards
>
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
>
> From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>
> To: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com>, "KnobenW@telekom.de" <KnobenW@telekom.de>
> Cc: "AAikman@lrlaw.com" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>, "avri@acm.org" <avri@acm.org>, "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Alain,
>
> One consideration is that if we add that language it is a substantive change from the original footnote text. The previous suggestion ? adding the word "stated" and deleting "until further notice" --- was deemed by the SCI to be a minor clarification and thus didn't require us to open a Public Comment Forum on new language. As discussed during last Thursday's meeting, any substantive change to the text that was presented in the public comment period that just ended on 03 December would require that the revised text go out for public comment again at a minimum of 21 days. Staff pointed out that with the holiday we would probably need a longer period, perhaps 30 days.
>
> With best regards,
>
> Julie
>
> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>
> From: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:41 PM
> To: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben <KnobenW@telekom.de>
> Cc: "AAikman@lrlaw.com" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>, "avri@acm.org" <avri@acm.org>, "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Can we simply insert that: ... when judged necessary by the Council, the GNSO Chair can clarify with the Board any required change in scope, timing, and priority...
>
> Alain
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
>
> We all stick to find consensus. I didn't want to suppress any discussion, just bring it to the point.
>
> First the wording must be accepted by all of us, then the procedure should be agreed.
>
> Anne, do you have a suggestion for the wording which could incorporate the concern? Or do others have?
>
>
> Best regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Aikman-Scalese, Anne
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 17:45
> An: 'Avri Doria'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
>
> Avri, thanks for sticking up for the process of consensus. I don't think we are unanimous.
> Anne
>
>
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> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:39 AM
> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Are we unanimous on this issue? I had the impression Anne was still concerned.
>
> avri
>
> On 11 Dec 2012, at 14:28, <KnobenW@telekom.de> <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Marika for clarification.
> >
> > I'll forward the motion (clear) attached with the revised footnote (redline) to the council list by tomorrows deadline for the 20 Dec council meeting.
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> > Wolf-Ulrich
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org]
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 10:52
> > An: Aikman-Scalese, Anne; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; avri@acm.org;
> > gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> > Betreff: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> > PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >
> > Anne, Staff typically provides the Board with status updates on issues
> > that are of significant interest to the Board, but there are also
> > examples of direct communication between the GNSO Council and the
> > Board after the GNSO Council decided to terminate a PDP that had been
> > initiated to provide input to the ICANN Board (see for example the Vertical Integration PDP:
> > http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg09754.html).
> > It is then up to the Board to decide how to proceed. For example, in
> > the case of vertical integration, the Board made the following
> > decision, absent GNSO Council recommendations:
> > http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-09nov10-en.htm.
> >
> > With best regards,
> >
> > Marika
> >
> > On 10/12/12 19:19, "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Many thanks, Marika - very helpful. Whether or not the Board calls
> >> its questions a "Request for an Issue Report" that then results in
> >> initiation of a PDP seems less important substantively than the
> >> reference to continuing consultation with the Board as to "scope,
> >> timing, and priority". This discussion illustrates why I think there
> >> has to be some provision for communication with or involvement of the
> >> Board in connection with a GNSO vote to suspend a PDP which is
> >> commenced as a result of a Board request for "answers" or for an
> >> Issue Report. A unilateral suspension by GNSO of a PDP (even on
> >> Supermajority vote) where the PDP was initiated as a result of such a
> >> Board request, is problematic if the Board needs to act. Is there a
> >> provision for providing the Board with a full report as to the status
> >> of the PDP and maybe summarizing the differing opinions expressed
> >> where no consensus was reached in the event of termination or
> >> suspension? We should not leave the Board in the position where it
> >> has to say, "We cannot act because the GNSO has not acted and has not
> >> answered our questions." This is particularly unsatisfactory where the GAC has asked the Board to address an issue.
> >> Anne
> >>
> >>
> >> Anne E. Aikman-Scalese
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> >> Konings
> >> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 4:05 AM
> >> To: KnobenW@telekom.de; avri@acm.org; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >> Subject: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>
> >> To clarify, there are currently two Board requested PDPs, one on the
> >> RAA ('Resolved (2011.10.28.33), the Board also requests the creation
> >> of an Issue Report to undertake a GNSO policy development process
> >> (PDP) as quickly as possible to address remaining items suited for a
> >> PDP) and the recently requested Issue Report on the purpose of Whois
> >> ('hereby directs preparation of an Issue Report on the purpose of
> >> collecting and maintaining gTLD registration data, and on solutions
> >> to improve accuracy and access to gTLD registration data, as part of
> >> a Board-initiated GNSO policy development process'). As pointed out
> >> by Avri, for PDPs initiated by the ICANN Board, there is no
> >> intermediate vote by the GNSO Council, the PDP automatically
> >> proceeds. However, the ICANN Bylaws foresee that in the case of a
> >> Board initiated PDP, 'the Board should provide a mechanism by which
> >> the GNSO Council can consult with the Board to provide information
> >> on the scope, timing, and priority of the request for an Issue
> >> Report'. In addition to this mechanism, the ICANN Board and GNSO
> >> Council meet at every ICANN meeting where there is another
> >> opportunity to discuss and/or express concerns with regard to Board
> >> requested PDPs. For example, in relation to the RAA PDP, as a result
> >> of dialogue between the ICANN Board and GNSO Council it was agreed to
> >> 'suspend' the PDP until the RAA negotiations were near completion so that it would be clear which topics would need to be included in the PDP.
> >>
> >> With best regards,
> >>
> >> Marika
> >>
> >> On 09/12/12 08:12, "KnobenW@telekom.de" <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Avri, very helpful for understanding.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Best regards
> >>> Wolf-Ulrich
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Avri
> >>> Doria
> >>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Dezember 2012 05:39
> >>> An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>> Betreff: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> As I understand it, they have asked g-council for answers, but they
> >>> have not actually used the by-laws mechanism of requesting a PDP.
> >>> The g-council has used the PDP as a method of deciding on answers.
> >>> These are still g-council initiated PDPs. Had the Board asked for
> >>> the PDP, there never would have been a vote in g-council to initiate the PDP.
> >>> Specifically:
> >>>
> >>> "
> >>> March 212 20120314-1
> >>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process (PDP) on 'thick'
> >>> Whois
> >>>
> >>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on 'thick' Whois
> >>> at its meeting on 22 September 2011
> >>> (seehttp://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109);
> >>>
> >>> ....
> >>> "
> >>>
> >>> "
> >>> November 2012 20121017-2
> >>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process on the
> >>> Protection of Certain International Organization Names in all GTLDs.
> >>>
> >>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on the topic of
> >>> whether ICANN should approve additional protections for the names of
> >>> international organizations at the first and second levels in the
> >>> New gTLD Program.
> >>>
> >>> ....
> >>> "
> >>>
> >>> Under the by-laws, ANNEX A: GNSO POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
> >>>
> >>> "
> >>> Section 3. Requesting an Issue Report
> >>>
> >>> Board Request. The Board may request an Issue Report by instructing
> >>> the GNSO Council ("Council") to begin the process outlined the PDP Manual.
> >>> In the event the Board makes a request for an Issue Report, the
> >>> Board should provide a mechanism by which the GNSO Council can
> >>> consult with the Board to provide information on the scope, timing,
> >>> and priority of the request for an Issue Report.
> >>>
> >>> ....
> >>>
> >>> Section 5. Initiation of the PDP
> >>>
> >>> The Council may initiate the PDP as follows:
> >>>
> >>> Board Request: If the Board requested an Issue Report, the Council,
> >>> within the timeframe set forth in thePDP Manual, shall initiate a PDP.
> >>> No vote is required for such action.
> >>> "
> >>>
> >>> avri
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 9 Dec 2012, at 03:20, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Must be my misunderstanding... I thought both the current whois PDP
> >>>> and IOC RC NGO PDP were requested by the ICANN Board. Anne
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Ron Andruff [randruff@rnapartners.com]
> >>>> Received: Saturday, 08 Dec 2012, 3:06pm
> >>>> To: 'Avri Doria' [avri@acm.org]; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]
> >>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I support Avri's comments as well. The Board's role is to commit
> >>>> policy that has been developed through the bottom up process into
> >>>> rule by way of resolution. Although the history of the Board's
> >>>> actions to date might prove otherwise, in an ever-maturing ICANN
> >>>> environment we should expect the Board to conform to ICANN's basic
> >>>> principles.
> >>>>
> >>>> I support the footnote amendment as proposed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kind regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> RA
> >>>>
> >>>> Ronald N. Andruff
> >>>> RNA Partners, Inc.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri
> >>>> Doria
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:47 AM
> >>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I think the question of what the Board would do if g-council ever
> >>>> suspended a PDP that they mandated is an open question. I expect
> >>>> they would either wait, question the postponement, or make one
> >>>> their preemptory decisions.
> >>>> Since the Board has never yet, to my knowledge, mandated a PDP -
> >>>> though they can - I do not think it is a critical issue at this
> >>>> point, and in any case think it is a separate issue from the
> >>>> suspension mechanism. All other PDPs are g-council decsions, even
> >>>> if the issues report is requested by one of the ACs.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am fine with the footnote. thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> avri
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 8 Dec 2012, at 18:26, <KnobenW@telekom.de> <KnobenW@telekom.de>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Anne and all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> this touches the question whether the board may overrule a council
> >>>> decision on suspension because you're expressing an expectation
> >>>> that the council should follow a related board request. I think
> >>>> this could be the case depending on a council debate following the
> >>>> board request but there is no obligation to do so.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With this understanding, an you agree to the footnote provided by
> >>>> Julie?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards
> >>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] Im Auftrag von
> >>>> Aikman-Scalese, Anne
> >>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Dezember 2012 18:43
> >>>>> An: 'J. Scott Evans'; Julie Hedlund;
> >>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>>>> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This makes sense. Is it clear to everyone that if the ICANN Board
> >>>> says,
> >>>> "Sorry, GNSO, we don't want you to suspend because we need an
> >>>> answer
> >>>> - go back to the drawing board," then that is what will happen?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Deadlock is deadly for ICANN. If GNSO can't work effectively and
> >>>>> the
> >>>> Board has to act (pursuant to GAC Advice or otherwise), then Fadi's
> >>>> "oasis"
> >>>> announced in Dubai becomes more of a "quagmire" and pressure
> >>>> increases to take control away from ICANN.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I only raise this because it seems to me the question will come up
> >>>>> at
> >>>> the
> >>>> GNSO level.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anne
> >>>>>
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> >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:20 AM
> >>>>> To: Julie Hedlund; Aikman-Scalese, Anne;
> >>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can live with that and I don't think this require further public
> >>>> comment
> >>>> since it merely clarifies the suspension.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> jse
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>
> >>>>> To: "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>;
> >>>> "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:40 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks Anne. Then, would you want "until further notice" to be
> >>>> deleted?
> >>>> If so, here's an amended text for all to review.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>> Julie
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
> >>>> temporary
> >>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
> >>>> decision of the GNSO Council. A mere change in milestones or
> >>>> schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@LRLaw.com>
> >>>>> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:32 PM
> >>>>> To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org"
> >>>> <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>,
> >>>> Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>
> >>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What is the relationship between "stated" and "until further notice"?
> >>>> If
> >>>> "stated" applies, then it seems that "until further notice" would
> >>>> not apply.
> >>>> Anne
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Julie Hedlund [julie.hedlund@icann.org]
> >>>>> Received: Thursday, 06 Dec 2012, 2:15pm
> >>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]
> >>>>> Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>>> PDP--Proposed
> >>>> Revised Footnote
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear SCI members,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As we discussed on today's call, J. Scott has proposed a
> >>>> clarification to
> >>>> the footnote text for the PDP Manual, Section 15, on Suspending a PDP.
> >>>> Please review the revised following text with the change in bold
> >>>> all
> >>>> caps:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
> >>>> temporary
> >>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
> >>>> decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change
> >>>> in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For reference, I have included the entire section below so that
> >>>>> the
> >>>> footnote may be viewed in context.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It was suggested on the call that if this clarification is
> >>>>> accepted
> >>>> by the
> >>>> SCI members it will not require a new public comment period.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> **Please send any comments by COB Monday, 10 December so that if
> >>>>> the
> >>>> SCI
> >>>> decides to submit a motion it may do so by the deadline of
> >>>> Wednesday,
> >>>> 12
> >>>> December.**
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With best regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Julie
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 15. Termination of PDP prior to Final Report
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The GNSO Council may terminate or suspend[1] a PDP prior to the
> >>>> publication of a Final Report only for significant cause, upon a
> >>>> motion that passes with a Supermajority Vote in favour of
> >>>> termination orsuspension.
> >>>> The
> >>>> following are illustrative examples of possible reasons for a
> >>>> premature termination or suspension of a PDP:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Deadlock. The PDP Team is hopelessly deadlocked and unable to
> >>>> identify recommendations or statements that have either the strong
> >>>> support or a consensus of its members despite significant time and
> >>>> resources being dedicated to the PDP;
> >>>>> 2. Changing Circumstances. Events have occurred since the
> >>>> initiation
> >>>> of the PDP that have rendered the PDP moot, or no longer necessary;
> >>>> or warranting a suspension; or
> >>>>> 3. Lack of Community Volunteers. Despite several calls for
> >>>> participation, the work of the PDP Team issignificantly impaired
> >>>> and unable to effectively conclude its deliberations due to lack
> >>>> of volunteer participation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If there is no recommendation from the PDP Team for its
> >>>>> termination,
> >>>> the
> >>>> Council is required to conduct a public comment forum first prior
> >>>> to conducting a vote on the termination of the PDP (as described above).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1] Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
> >>>> temporary
> >>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
> >>>> decision of the GNSO Council until furthernotice. A mere change in
> >>>> milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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5:13 p.m.
New subject: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Dear All:
First, I fully support Avri's comment below regarding the need for full consensus and I do not see that we have achieved full consensus on this issue. For this reason, unless we resolve the issue on tomorrow's call, I do not think the GNSO is in a position to vote on the proposed motion.
Second, I am fully supportive of the points that Anne has raised and I see no reason we could not include provision that requires a statement on why the PDP is being suspended. I think that such a statement is a very well thought out point. I realize that there are archives of information on the PDP, but the ICANN Board, the GAC and many other stakeholders have a great deal of issues to contend with in the multi-stakeholder model. For this reason, I think it would be very helpful to have a clear statement of why the PDP is being suspended. I see this as no different from requiring a "stated" time for the suspension.
I will not be on the call tomorrow due to a prior commitment. For this reason, Anne will be presenting the IPC position as the fully representative. I urge everyone to work with Anne to address her concerns.
J. Scott
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________________________________
From: Avri Doria <avri@acm.org>
To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Hi,
I think that whether we are using positive or negative consensus, once someone raise a concern flag, it is an active consensus, at least with regard to that one person.
I can't see us moving forward on this, until everyone is satisfied. I am certainly not in favro of having the g-council vote on it as it stands.
avri
On 17 Dec 2012, at 13:10, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:
> Mary and Marika, I think this discussion points out why more thought is needed in this process. To go back to the question I had raised, there is a basic problem of the Board being put in an unworkable position if it does not get answers from the GNSO. A statement of why the PDP is being suspended is not in fact the same as a summary of where the working group finds itself at the time of suspension, the different viewpoints that exist at that time, etc. I believe that there is a lot at stake if ICANN is unable to effectively address GAC advice in particular with timely policy input from the GNSO. There can be many possible reasons for suspension, but a written report of the status should be required at suspension or the GNSO may simply leave the Board (and sometimes the GAC) in limbo. If and when that happens, it provides support for the arguments of those who would vest more control in individual governments.
>
> I am honestly beginning to think that the real "bandaid" in this scenario is a suspension provision that is codified in the PDP manual (part of GNSO Operating procedures) without adequate analysis of the consequences. Perhaps a perceived need to codify this should be part of the process that Marika has mentioned when the SCI looks at the entire PDP process in one year. Apparently suspension was not addressed in the PDP working group so maybe we should not be trying to do the job for them. Suspension is not merely a minor subset of termination which has no consequences on policy or organizational effectiveness.
>
> In terms of consensus process, I have shared my concerns with IPC leadership over the past ten days and am awaiting their further direction. This is one reason that I say a "negative response" mechanism does not meet the full consensus process. There are also problems with this approach in terms of system downtime, travel, and time zones such as Mary is facing right now.
>
> By the way, I should also mention that the version of the December 6 transcript that was posted right after that meeting contained a number of inaccuracies. For example, it credits Marika with saying that it is more important to get it right than it is to be concerned that this has been out for public comment. I doubt she wants to be credited with that statement. There were also inaccuracies in the transcript of what I said. To the extent that GNSO councilors may have viewed the written transcript to inform themselves on the issue, there could be some misunderstandings.
> I am headed to the Prioritization Draw today and have some other deadlines. I will check back into this list tomorrow. Again, I am awaiting further direction from IPC leadership with respect to this matter.
> Thank you,
> Anne
>
> Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu [Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu]
> Received: Sunday, 16 Dec 2012, 8:23am
> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]; marika.konings@icann.org [marika.konings@icann.org]; Aikman-Scalese, Anne [AAikman@lrlaw.com]; randruff@rnapartners.com [randruff@rnapartners.com]
> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Thanks, Marika - perhaps using the term "interim status report" conveys more than I'd intended to suggest in supporting the concept. What I had in mind was simply a statement from the Council when voting to suspend a PDP, giving its reasons for so doing. The intention was to so notify the community - incuding the ICANN Board in cases of Board-directed PDPs - that such an action had been taken. As such, and instead of using the term "interim status report" we could just say "a statement of reasons" from the GNSO Council.
>
> Cheers
> Mary
>
>
>
> Mary W S Wong
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>
> >>>
> From:
> "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>
> To:
> "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>, "randruff@rnapartners.com" <randruff@rnapartners.com>, "Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu" <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>, "marika.konings@icann.org" <marika.konings@icann.org>
> Date:
> 12/16/2012 8:29 AM
> Subject:
> Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> Marika, I see the point of broader considerations but think the analogy to a bandaid on an unmanifested wound is very poor. It's actually a bit more like putting on a helmet before riding a bike. See you Monday at the brunch and maybe we can talk further! Anne
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marika Konings [marika.konings@icann.org]
> Received: Sunday, 16 Dec 2012, 2:10am
> To: Aikman-Scalese, Anne [AAikman@lrlaw.com]; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]; randruff@rnapartners.com [randruff@rnapartners.com]; Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu [Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu]
> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> All, it may be worth pointing out that for every PDP as well as non-PDP, there are regular status updates already provided. For example, the GNSO project list which is updated on a monthly basis (see http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/pending-projects-list.pdf). Also, each project has their own page on the GNSO web-site which is updated with every milestone activity (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active-groups.htm). In addition, each resolution that is adopted by the GNSO Council contains the rationale for that decision in the 'whereas' clauses (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/resolutions).
>
> It should also be noted that an 'interim status report' is currently not defined in the PDP Manual (what would need to be in there, who is responsible for preparing it, would it need to be adopted by a vote of the GNSO Council?). Furthermore, in addition to the Board, ICANN Advisory Committees can also request Issue Reports, but they have not been considered in this conversation.
>
> As a result, I would really like to encourage the SCI to review this issue in a broader context (if/when/how should PDP status updates be provided to entities other than the GNSO Council during the lifespan of a PDP, taking into account all the different communication tools already in place) as part of the overall review of the PDP, instead of applying a bandaid here to a wound that has not even manifested itself.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@lrlaw.com>
> Date: Saturday 15 December 2012 18:58
> To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>, "randruff@rnapartners.com" <randruff@rnapartners.com>, "Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu" <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>
> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Just a minor note that at this point we were not limiting the interim status report to any "Board-directed PDP". I think the simplest add would be to require an interim status report to the GNSO Council, e.g. "all activities (other than an interim status report to the Council) will halt." Then SCI could recommend that the interim status report be published to the entire community. Anne
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu [Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu]
> Received: Friday, 14 Dec 2012, 7:22pm
> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]; Aikman-Scalese, Anne [AAikman@lrlaw.com]; randruff@rnapartners.com [randruff@rnapartners.com]
> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> I support the concept of an interim report to be put out to the community by the GNSO Council upon its suspension of a PDP; however, I'd like to separate out our actual recommendation (which is to clarify what and when there is considered to be a suspension of a PDP) with our opinion as to either the GNSO Council's relationship with/reaction to Board-directed PDPs or as to appropriate action by the Council in voting for a suspension.
>
> I'd therefore suggest a slight modification to our Option 3 - take the language/mention of an interim report out of the sentence containing our recommendation, and either add a new sentence following that, or create an additional, related recommendation, stating that "The SCI recommends that, in cases of suspension of a Board-directed PDP, the GNSO Council issues an interim report stating the reasons for such suspension to the community." Or something along those lines.
>
> Cheers
> Mary
>
>
> Mary W S Wong
> Professor of Law
> Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP
> Chair, Graduate IP Programs
> UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW
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> >>> "Ron Andruff" 12/14/12 3:13 PM >>>
> Dear all,
>
> Recognizing that I am not yet installed as the Chair of the SCI until our next meeting this coming Thursday (Dec. 20th), yet being responsible for that meeting, (forgive me Wolf-Ulrich) I have two requests:
>
> (1) It would be very helpful if all SCI members would look at where we are with the ?Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote? and add your thoughts. The most recent exchanges on that thread are noted below. It appears that we have found a way forward, but this needs to be confirmed by all members.
>
> (2) I would also ask everyone to take a few minutes to complete the Survey that Julie sent around again today with her request that we all fill it out and note our experience and thoughts about amendments. She has asked for this to be done by Wednesday, Dec. 19th, so please do take a few minutes if you can spare them during this busy lead up to Christmas so that we can have a productive discussion.
>
> Thank you all in advance for attending to these two outstanding items.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> RA
>
> Ronald N. Andruff
> RNA Partners, Inc.
>
>
> From:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Aikman-Scalese, Anne
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:44 PM
> To: 'Ron Andruff'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Ron, I would certainly support that notion in the interest of accountability and transparency.
>
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> From: Ron Andruff [mailto:randruff@rnapartners.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:39 AM
> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> Cc: Aikman-Scalese, Anne
> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> Question for all re: an interim status report to the ICANN Board
>
> If I understand Anne?s line of thinking, the concern is about how to deal specifically with Board requested PDPs that are suspended. However, option 3 sounds like we are recommending that the Board receive an interim report whether they have initiated the PDP or not. This is a significant change and would only add more to the Board?s already full plate, in my view.
>
> That said, in circumstance where a suspension has been called for, I do see the merit of requesting that Council generate an interim report and post it to inform the entire community of the suspension and reason(s) for which it was suspended. That would be quite logical in the larger scheme of things.
>
> Anne, please correct me if I am wrong.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> RA
>
> Ronald N. Andruff
> RNA Partners, Inc.
>
>
>
> From:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Aikman-Scalese, Anne
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:58 AM
> To: 'KnobenW@telekom.de'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> I would propose a third option:
> 3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
>
>
> Anne E. Aikman-Scalese
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> From:KnobenW@telekom.de [mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de]
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:49 AM
> To: Aikman-Scalese, Anne; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> Subject: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> All,
>
> from the list I did not understand a clear objection against sending the draft motion to the council with the option of withdrawing it if there can't be found SCI consensus. So I took this responsibility and did it to preserve this chance.
>
> I'd like to encourage all of us to continue working at a solution re the footnote. 2 suggestions are at the table:
> 1. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
> •
> Suspension is a STATEDtime interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council, subject to ICANN Board review in those cases where the Board has requested GNSO input. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
> 3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
>
>
> Please comment.
>
> I wonder what how to proceed if there will be no consensus found at thew time being. On the one hand I've got the impression that a majority would be satisfied with suggestion #1 but also open to find a solution which doesn't cause the need for another public comment period.
> In case of no consensus we could also - as we did with other items discussed at the SCI - report to the council where we are, that there has been a public comment period successfully finished, but there are still concerns which would prevent the SCI from consensus. The council may then decide how to deal with the (publicly commented) text.
>
> I would be thankful hearing your assessment on and under which conditions consensus could still be achieved.
> Best regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
> Von: Aikman-Scalese, Anne [mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Dezember 2012 03:13
> An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich
> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> I do not believe that this "negative response" mechanism is in accordance with the full consensus process. I also believe I spoke against this at the last reading. Anne
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: KnobenW@telekom.de [KnobenW@telekom.de]
> Received: Wednesday, 12 Dec 2012, 5:06am
> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]
> Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> All,
>
> per its charter, the SCI is expected to take decisions using a 'full consensus' process ("when no one in the group speaks against the recommendation in its last readings").
> Obviously it would be ideal if all members support a certain position.
>
> It would also be ideal if we find consensus today which is the deadline for motions before the next counciil meeting. But in order to reduce time pressure I could imagine the option to submit the draft motion today, noting that there are some issues that are still being discussed by the SCI which may result in withdrawal of the motion and agenda item if no agreement can be found.
>
> If there is no objection I'll do so accordingly at the end of the day.
>
> Thanks for this valuable discussion and for your understanding.
>
> Best regards
>
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
>
> From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>
> To: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com>, "KnobenW@telekom.de" <KnobenW@telekom.de>
> Cc: "AAikman@lrlaw.com" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>, "avri@acm.org" <avri@acm.org>, "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Alain,
>
> One consideration is that if we add that language it is a substantive change from the original footnote text. The previous suggestion ? adding the word "stated" and deleting "until further notice" --- was deemed by the SCI to be a minor clarification and thus didn't require us to open a Public Comment Forum on new language. As discussed during last Thursday's meeting, any substantive change to the text that was presented in the public comment period that just ended on 03 December would require that the revised text go out for public comment again at a minimum of 21 days. Staff pointed out that with the holiday we would probably need a longer period, perhaps 30 days.
>
> With best regards,
>
> Julie
>
> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>
> From: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:41 PM
> To: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben <KnobenW@telekom.de>
> Cc: "AAikman@lrlaw.com" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>, "avri@acm.org" <avri@acm.org>, "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Can we simply insert that: ... when judged necessary by the Council, the GNSO Chair can clarify with the Board any required change in scope, timing, and priority...
>
> Alain
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
>
> We all stick to find consensus. I didn't want to suppress any discussion, just bring it to the point.
>
> First the wording must be accepted by all of us, then the procedure should be agreed.
>
> Anne, do you have a suggestion for the wording which could incorporate the concern? Or do others have?
>
>
> Best regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Aikman-Scalese, Anne
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 17:45
> An: 'Avri Doria'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
>
> Avri, thanks for sticking up for the process of consensus. I don't think we are unanimous.
> Anne
>
>
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> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:39 AM
> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Are we unanimous on this issue? I had the impression Anne was still concerned.
>
> avri
>
> On 11 Dec 2012, at 14:28, <KnobenW@telekom.de> <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Marika for clarification.
> >
> > I'll forward the motion (clear) attached with the revised footnote (redline) to the council list by tomorrows deadline for the 20 Dec council meeting.
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> > Wolf-Ulrich
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org]
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 10:52
> > An: Aikman-Scalese, Anne; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; avri@acm.org;
> > gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> > Betreff: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> > PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >
> > Anne, Staff typically provides the Board with status updates on issues
> > that are of significant interest to the Board, but there are also
> > examples of direct communication between the GNSO Council and the
> > Board after the GNSO Council decided to terminate a PDP that had been
> > initiated to provide input to the ICANN Board (see for example the Vertical Integration PDP:
> > http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg09754.html).
> > It is then up to the Board to decide how to proceed. For example, in
> > the case of vertical integration, the Board made the following
> > decision, absent GNSO Council recommendations:
> > http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-09nov10-en.htm.
> >
> > With best regards,
> >
> > Marika
> >
> > On 10/12/12 19:19, "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Many thanks, Marika - very helpful. Whether or not the Board calls
> >> its questions a "Request for an Issue Report" that then results in
> >> initiation of a PDP seems less important substantively than the
> >> reference to continuing consultation with the Board as to "scope,
> >> timing, and priority". This discussion illustrates why I think there
> >> has to be some provision for communication with or involvement of the
> >> Board in connection with a GNSO vote to suspend a PDP which is
> >> commenced as a result of a Board request for "answers" or for an
> >> Issue Report. A unilateral suspension by GNSO of a PDP (even on
> >> Supermajority vote) where the PDP was initiated as a result of such a
> >> Board request, is problematic if the Board needs to act. Is there a
> >> provision for providing the Board with a full report as to the status
> >> of the PDP and maybe summarizing the differing opinions expressed
> >> where no consensus was reached in the event of termination or
> >> suspension? We should not leave the Board in the position where it
> >> has to say, "We cannot act because the GNSO has not acted and has not
> >> answered our questions." This is particularly unsatisfactory where the GAC has asked the Board to address an issue.
> >> Anne
> >>
> >>
> >> Anne E. Aikman-Scalese
> >> Of Counsel
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> >> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Marika
> >> Konings
> >> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 4:05 AM
> >> To: KnobenW@telekom.de; avri@acm.org; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >> Subject: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>
> >> To clarify, there are currently two Board requested PDPs, one on the
> >> RAA ('Resolved (2011.10.28.33), the Board also requests the creation
> >> of an Issue Report to undertake a GNSO policy development process
> >> (PDP) as quickly as possible to address remaining items suited for a
> >> PDP) and the recently requested Issue Report on the purpose of Whois
> >> ('hereby directs preparation of an Issue Report on the purpose of
> >> collecting and maintaining gTLD registration data, and on solutions
> >> to improve accuracy and access to gTLD registration data, as part of
> >> a Board-initiated GNSO policy development process'). As pointed out
> >> by Avri, for PDPs initiated by the ICANN Board, there is no
> >> intermediate vote by the GNSO Council, the PDP automatically
> >> proceeds. However, the ICANN Bylaws foresee that in the case of a
> >> Board initiated PDP, 'the Board should provide a mechanism by which
> >> the GNSO Council can consult with the Board to provide information
> >> on the scope, timing, and priority of the request for an Issue
> >> Report'. In addition to this mechanism, the ICANN Board and GNSO
> >> Council meet at every ICANN meeting where there is another
> >> opportunity to discuss and/or express concerns with regard to Board
> >> requested PDPs. For example, in relation to the RAA PDP, as a result
> >> of dialogue between the ICANN Board and GNSO Council it was agreed to
> >> 'suspend' the PDP until the RAA negotiations were near completion so that it would be clear which topics would need to be included in the PDP.
> >>
> >> With best regards,
> >>
> >> Marika
> >>
> >> On 09/12/12 08:12, "KnobenW@telekom.de" <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Avri, very helpful for understanding.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Best regards
> >>> Wolf-Ulrich
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Avri
> >>> Doria
> >>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Dezember 2012 05:39
> >>> An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>> Betreff: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> As I understand it, they have asked g-council for answers, but they
> >>> have not actually used the by-laws mechanism of requesting a PDP.
> >>> The g-council has used the PDP as a method of deciding on answers.
> >>> These are still g-council initiated PDPs. Had the Board asked for
> >>> the PDP, there never would have been a vote in g-council to initiate the PDP.
> >>> Specifically:
> >>>
> >>> "
> >>> March 212 20120314-1
> >>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process (PDP) on 'thick'
> >>> Whois
> >>>
> >>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on 'thick' Whois
> >>> at its meeting on 22 September 2011
> >>> (seehttp://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109);
> >>>
> >>> ....
> >>> "
> >>>
> >>> "
> >>> November 2012 20121017-2
> >>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process on the
> >>> Protection of Certain International Organization Names in all GTLDs.
> >>>
> >>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on the topic of
> >>> whether ICANN should approve additional protections for the names of
> >>> international organizations at the first and second levels in the
> >>> New gTLD Program.
> >>>
> >>> ....
> >>> "
> >>>
> >>> Under the by-laws, ANNEX A: GNSO POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
> >>>
> >>> "
> >>> Section 3. Requesting an Issue Report
> >>>
> >>> Board Request. The Board may request an Issue Report by instructing
> >>> the GNSO Council ("Council") to begin the process outlined the PDP Manual.
> >>> In the event the Board makes a request for an Issue Report, the
> >>> Board should provide a mechanism by which the GNSO Council can
> >>> consult with the Board to provide information on the scope, timing,
> >>> and priority of the request for an Issue Report.
> >>>
> >>> ....
> >>>
> >>> Section 5. Initiation of the PDP
> >>>
> >>> The Council may initiate the PDP as follows:
> >>>
> >>> Board Request: If the Board requested an Issue Report, the Council,
> >>> within the timeframe set forth in thePDP Manual, shall initiate a PDP.
> >>> No vote is required for such action.
> >>> "
> >>>
> >>> avri
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 9 Dec 2012, at 03:20, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Must be my misunderstanding... I thought both the current whois PDP
> >>>> and IOC RC NGO PDP were requested by the ICANN Board. Anne
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com)
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Ron Andruff [randruff@rnapartners.com]
> >>>> Received: Saturday, 08 Dec 2012, 3:06pm
> >>>> To: 'Avri Doria' [avri@acm.org]; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]
> >>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I support Avri's comments as well. The Board's role is to commit
> >>>> policy that has been developed through the bottom up process into
> >>>> rule by way of resolution. Although the history of the Board's
> >>>> actions to date might prove otherwise, in an ever-maturing ICANN
> >>>> environment we should expect the Board to conform to ICANN's basic
> >>>> principles.
> >>>>
> >>>> I support the footnote amendment as proposed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kind regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> RA
> >>>>
> >>>> Ronald N. Andruff
> >>>> RNA Partners, Inc.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri
> >>>> Doria
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:47 AM
> >>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I think the question of what the Board would do if g-council ever
> >>>> suspended a PDP that they mandated is an open question. I expect
> >>>> they would either wait, question the postponement, or make one
> >>>> their preemptory decisions.
> >>>> Since the Board has never yet, to my knowledge, mandated a PDP -
> >>>> though they can - I do not think it is a critical issue at this
> >>>> point, and in any case think it is a separate issue from the
> >>>> suspension mechanism. All other PDPs are g-council decsions, even
> >>>> if the issues report is requested by one of the ACs.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am fine with the footnote. thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> avri
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 8 Dec 2012, at 18:26, <KnobenW@telekom.de> <KnobenW@telekom.de>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Anne and all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> this touches the question whether the board may overrule a council
> >>>> decision on suspension because you're expressing an expectation
> >>>> that the council should follow a related board request. I think
> >>>> this could be the case depending on a council debate following the
> >>>> board request but there is no obligation to do so.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With this understanding, an you agree to the footnote provided by
> >>>> Julie?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards
> >>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] Im Auftrag von
> >>>> Aikman-Scalese, Anne
> >>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Dezember 2012 18:43
> >>>>> An: 'J. Scott Evans'; Julie Hedlund;
> >>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>>>> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This makes sense. Is it clear to everyone that if the ICANN Board
> >>>> says,
> >>>> "Sorry, GNSO, we don't want you to suspend because we need an
> >>>> answer
> >>>> - go back to the drawing board," then that is what will happen?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Deadlock is deadly for ICANN. If GNSO can't work effectively and
> >>>>> the
> >>>> Board has to act (pursuant to GAC Advice or otherwise), then Fadi's
> >>>> "oasis"
> >>>> announced in Dubai becomes more of a "quagmire" and pressure
> >>>> increases to take control away from ICANN.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I only raise this because it seems to me the question will come up
> >>>>> at
> >>>> the
> >>>> GNSO level.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anne
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <image001.gif>Anne E. Aikman-Scalese Of Counsel Lewis and Roca LLP
> >>>>> . Suite 700 One South Church Avenue . Tucson, Arizona 85701-1611
> >>>>> Tel (520) 629-4428 . Fax (520) 879-4725 AAikman@LRLaw.com .
> >>>>> www.LewisandRoca.com/Aikman
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>> original message.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: J. Scott Evans [mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com]
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:20 AM
> >>>>> To: Julie Hedlund; Aikman-Scalese, Anne;
> >>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can live with that and I don't think this require further public
> >>>> comment
> >>>> since it merely clarifies the suspension.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> jse
> >>>>>
> >>>>> j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo!
> >>>> Inc.
> >>>> - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>
> >>>>> To: "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>;
> >>>> "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:40 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks Anne. Then, would you want "until further notice" to be
> >>>> deleted?
> >>>> If so, here's an amended text for all to review.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>> Julie
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
> >>>> temporary
> >>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
> >>>> decision of the GNSO Council. A mere change in milestones or
> >>>> schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@LRLaw.com>
> >>>>> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:32 PM
> >>>>> To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org"
> >>>> <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>,
> >>>> Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>
> >>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What is the relationship between "stated" and "until further notice"?
> >>>> If
> >>>> "stated" applies, then it seems that "until further notice" would
> >>>> not apply.
> >>>> Anne
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Julie Hedlund [julie.hedlund@icann.org]
> >>>>> Received: Thursday, 06 Dec 2012, 2:15pm
> >>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]
> >>>>> Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>>> PDP--Proposed
> >>>> Revised Footnote
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear SCI members,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As we discussed on today's call, J. Scott has proposed a
> >>>> clarification to
> >>>> the footnote text for the PDP Manual, Section 15, on Suspending a PDP.
> >>>> Please review the revised following text with the change in bold
> >>>> all
> >>>> caps:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
> >>>> temporary
> >>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
> >>>> decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change
> >>>> in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For reference, I have included the entire section below so that
> >>>>> the
> >>>> footnote may be viewed in context.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It was suggested on the call that if this clarification is
> >>>>> accepted
> >>>> by the
> >>>> SCI members it will not require a new public comment period.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> **Please send any comments by COB Monday, 10 December so that if
> >>>>> the
> >>>> SCI
> >>>> decides to submit a motion it may do so by the deadline of
> >>>> Wednesday,
> >>>> 12
> >>>> December.**
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With best regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Julie
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 15. Termination of PDP prior to Final Report
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The GNSO Council may terminate or suspend[1] a PDP prior to the
> >>>> publication of a Final Report only for significant cause, upon a
> >>>> motion that passes with a Supermajority Vote in favour of
> >>>> termination orsuspension.
> >>>> The
> >>>> following are illustrative examples of possible reasons for a
> >>>> premature termination or suspension of a PDP:
> >>>>>
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> >>>> support or a consensus of its members despite significant time and
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> >>>> initiation
> >>>> of the PDP that have rendered the PDP moot, or no longer necessary;
> >>>> or warranting a suspension; or
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> >>>> of volunteer participation.
> >>>>>
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> >>>>> termination,
> >>>> the
> >>>> Council is required to conduct a public comment forum first prior
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1] Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
> >>>> temporary
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> >>>> milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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5:22 p.m.
New subject: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Dear All:
I have now read further through the voluminous emails I did not have time to read last week and I would like to amend my comments below. After reviewing the debate, I want to further support Anne's call for a Interim Status Report on any suspended PDP. I see this as going beyond more than a clear statement on the reasoning for suspension and, again, I think it is necessary so that the community can be fully advised on where the work is at the time of suspension and why it is being suspended in one neat summary document. Additionally, I see no reason to limit this to any certain type of PDP. The simplest solution is to have the same procedure apply to all PDP's initiated by the GNSO Council.
J. Scott
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________________________________
From: J. Scott Evans <jscottevans@yahoo.com>
To: Avri Doria <avri@acm.org>; "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Dear All:
First, I fully support Avri's comment below regarding the need for full consensus and I do not see that we have achieved full consensus on this issue. For this reason, unless we resolve the issue on tomorrow's call, I do not think the GNSO is in a position to vote on the proposed motion.
Second, I am fully supportive of the points that Anne has raised and I see no reason we could not include provision that requires a statement on why the PDP is being suspended. I think that such a statement is a very well thought out point. I realize that there are archives of information on the PDP, but the ICANN Board, the GAC and many other stakeholders have a great deal of issues to contend with in the multi-stakeholder model. For this reason, I think it would be very helpful to have a clear statement of why the PDP is being suspended. I see this as no different from requiring a "stated" time for the suspension.
I will not be on the call tomorrow due to a prior commitment. For this reason, Anne will be presenting the IPC position as the fully representative. I urge everyone to work with Anne to address her concerns.
J. Scott
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From: Avri Doria <avri@acm.org>
To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Hi,
I think that whether we are using positive or negative consensus, once someone raise a concern flag, it is an active consensus, at least with regard to that one person.
I can't see us moving forward on this, until everyone is satisfied. I am certainly not in favro of having the g-council vote on it as it stands.
avri
On 17 Dec 2012, at 13:10, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:
> Mary and Marika, I think this discussion points out why more thought is needed in this process. To go back to the question I had raised, there is a basic problem of the Board being put in an unworkable position if it does not get answers from the GNSO. A statement of why the PDP is being suspended is not
in fact the same as a summary of where the working group finds itself at the time of suspension, the different viewpoints that exist at that time, etc. I believe that there is a lot at stake if ICANN is unable to effectively address GAC advice in particular with timely policy input from the GNSO. There can be many possible reasons for suspension, but a written report of the status should be required at suspension or the GNSO may simply leave the Board (and sometimes the GAC) in limbo. If and when that happens, it provides support for the arguments of those who would vest more control in individual governments.
>
> I am honestly beginning to think that the real "bandaid" in this scenario is a suspension provision that is codified in the PDP manual (part of GNSO Operating procedures) without adequate analysis of the consequences. Perhaps a perceived need to codify this should be part of the process that Marika has mentioned when the SCI looks
at the entire PDP process in one year. Apparently suspension was not addressed in the PDP working group so maybe we should not be trying to do the job for them. Suspension is not merely a minor subset of termination which has no consequences on policy or organizational effectiveness.
>
> In terms of consensus process, I have shared my concerns with IPC leadership over the past ten days and am awaiting their further direction. This is one reason that I say a "negative response" mechanism does not meet the full consensus process. There are also problems with this approach in terms of system downtime, travel, and time zones such as Mary is facing right now.
>
> By the way, I should also mention that the version of the December 6 transcript that was posted right after that meeting contained a number of inaccuracies. For example, it credits Marika with saying that it is more important to get it right than it is to be concerned that
this has been out for public comment. I doubt she wants to be credited with that statement. There were also inaccuracies in the transcript of what I said. To the extent that GNSO councilors may have viewed the written transcript to inform themselves on the issue, there could be some misunderstandings.
> I am headed to the Prioritization Draw today and have some other deadlines. I will check back into this list tomorrow. Again, I am awaiting further direction from IPC leadership with respect to this matter.
> Thank you,
> Anne
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu [Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu]
> Received: Sunday, 16 Dec 2012, 8:23am
> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]; marika.konings@icann.org [marika.konings@icann.org]; Aikman-Scalese, Anne [AAikman@lrlaw.com]; randruff@rnapartners.com [randruff@rnapartners.com]
> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Thanks, Marika -
perhaps using the term "interim status report" conveys more than I'd intended to suggest in supporting the concept. What I had in mind was simply a statement from the Council when voting to suspend a PDP, giving its reasons for so doing. The intention was to so notify the community - incuding the ICANN Board in cases of Board-directed PDPs - that such an action had been taken. As such, and instead of using the term "interim status report" we could just say "a statement of reasons" from the GNSO Council.
>
> Cheers
> Mary
>
>
>
> Mary W S Wong
> Professor of Law
> Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP
> Chair, Graduate IP Programs
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>
> >>>
> From:
> "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>
> To:
> "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>, "randruff@rnapartners.com" <randruff@rnapartners.com>, "Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu" <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>, "marika.konings@icann.org" <marika.konings@icann.org>
> Date:
> 12/16/2012 8:29 AM
> Subject:
> Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> Marika, I see the point of broader considerations but think the analogy to a bandaid on an unmanifested wound is very poor. It's actually a bit more like putting on a helmet before riding a bike. See you Monday at the brunch and maybe we can talk
further! Anne
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marika Konings [marika.konings@icann.org]
> Received: Sunday, 16 Dec 2012, 2:10am
> To: Aikman-Scalese, Anne [AAikman@lrlaw.com]; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]; randruff@rnapartners.com [randruff@rnapartners.com]; Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu [Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu]
> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> All, it may be worth pointing out that for every PDP as well as non-PDP, there are regular status updates already provided. For example, the GNSO project list which is updated on a monthly basis (see http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/pending-projects-list.pdf). Also, each project has their own page on the GNSO web-site which is updated with every milestone activity (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active-groups.htm). In addition, each resolution that is adopted by the GNSO Council contains the rationale for that decision in the 'whereas' clauses (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/resolutions).
>
> It should also be noted that an 'interim status report' is currently not defined in the PDP Manual (what would need to be in there, who is responsible for preparing it, would it need to be adopted by a vote of the GNSO Council?). Furthermore, in addition to the Board, ICANN Advisory Committees can also request Issue Reports, but they have not been considered in this conversation.
>
> As a result, I would really like to encourage the SCI to review this issue in a broader context (if/when/how should PDP status updates be provided to entities other than the GNSO Council during the lifespan of a PDP, taking into account all the different communication tools already in place) as part of the overall review of the PDP, instead of
applying a bandaid here to a wound that has not even manifested itself.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@lrlaw.com>
> Date: Saturday 15 December 2012 18:58
> To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>, "randruff@rnapartners.com" <randruff@rnapartners.com>, "Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu" <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>
> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Just a minor note that at this point we were not limiting the interim status report to any "Board-directed PDP". I think the simplest add would be to require an interim status report to the GNSO Council, e.g. "all activities (other than an interim status report to the Council) will halt." Then SCI could recommend that the interim status report be published to the entire community. Anne
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu [Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu]
> Received:
Friday, 14 Dec 2012, 7:22pm
> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]; Aikman-Scalese, Anne [AAikman@lrlaw.com]; randruff@rnapartners.com [randruff@rnapartners.com]
> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> I support the concept of an interim report to be put out to the community by the GNSO Council upon its suspension of a PDP; however, I'd like to separate out our actual recommendation (which is to clarify
what and when there is considered to be a suspension of a PDP) with our opinion as to either the GNSO Council's relationship with/reaction to Board-directed PDPs or as to appropriate action by the Council in voting for a suspension.
>
> I'd therefore suggest a slight modification to our Option 3 - take the language/mention of an interim report out of the sentence containing our recommendation, and either add a new sentence following that, or create an additional, related recommendation, stating that "The SCI recommends that, in cases of suspension of a Board-directed PDP, the GNSO Council issues an interim report stating the reasons for such suspension to the community." Or something along those lines.
>
> Cheers
> Mary
>
>
> Mary W S Wong
> Professor of Law
> Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP
> Chair, Graduate IP Programs
> UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF
LAW
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>
> >>> "Ron Andruff" 12/14/12 3:13 PM >>>
> Dear all,
>
> Recognizing that I am not yet installed as the Chair of the SCI until our next meeting this coming Thursday (Dec. 20th), yet being responsible for that meeting, (forgive me Wolf-Ulrich) I have two requests:
>
> (1) It would be very helpful if all SCI members would look at where we are with the ?Suspending a
PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote? and add your thoughts. The most recent exchanges on that thread are noted below. It appears that we have found a way forward, but this needs to be confirmed by all members.
>
> (2) I would also ask everyone to take a few minutes to complete the Survey that Julie sent around again today with her request that we all fill it out and note our experience and thoughts about amendments. She has asked for this to be done by Wednesday, Dec. 19th, so please do take a few minutes if you can spare them during this busy lead up to Christmas so that we can have a productive discussion.
>
> Thank you all in advance for attending to these two outstanding items.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> RA
>
> Ronald N. Andruff
> RNA Partners, Inc.
>
>
> From:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Aikman-Scalese, Anne
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:44 PM
> To: 'Ron Andruff'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Ron, I would certainly support that notion in the interest of accountability and transparency.
>
> Anne E. Aikman-Scalese
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> From: Ron Andruff [mailto:randruff@rnapartners.com]
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> Cc: Aikman-Scalese, Anne
> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> Question for all re: an interim status report to the ICANN Board
>
> If I understand Anne?s line of thinking, the concern is about how to deal specifically with Board requested PDPs that are suspended. However, option 3 sounds like we are recommending that the Board receive an interim report whether they have initiated the PDP or not. This is a significant change and would only add more to the Board?s already full plate, in my view.
>
> That said, in circumstance where a suspension has been called for, I do see the merit of requesting that Council generate an interim report and post it to inform the entire community of the suspension and
reason(s) for which it was suspended. That would be quite logical in the larger scheme of things.
>
> Anne, please correct me if I am wrong.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> RA
>
> Ronald N. Andruff
> RNA Partners, Inc.
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>
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> From:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Aikman-Scalese, Anne
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:58 AM
> To: 'KnobenW@telekom.de'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> I would propose a third option:
> 3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
>
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> Subject: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> All,
>
> from the list I did not understand a clear objection against sending the draft motion to the council with the option of withdrawing it if there can't be found SCI consensus. So I took this responsibility and did it to preserve this chance.
>
> I'd like to encourage all of us to continue working at a solution re the footnote. 2 suggestions are at the table:
> 1. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
> •
> Suspension is a STATEDtime interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council, subject to ICANN Board review in those cases where the Board has requested GNSO input. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
> 3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
>
>
> Please comment.
>
> I wonder what how to proceed if there will be no consensus found at thew time being. On the one hand I've got the impression that a majority would be satisfied with suggestion #1 but also open to find a
solution which doesn't cause the need for another public comment period.
> In case of no consensus we could also - as we did with other items discussed at the SCI - report to the council where we are, that there has been a public comment period successfully finished, but there are still concerns which would prevent the SCI from consensus. The council may then decide how to deal with the (publicly commented) text.
>
> I would be thankful hearing your assessment on and under which conditions consensus could still be achieved.
> Best regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
> Von: Aikman-Scalese, Anne [mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Dezember 2012 03:13
> An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich
> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> I do not believe that this "negative response" mechanism is in accordance with the full consensus process. I also believe I spoke against this at the last reading. Anne
>
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> Received: Wednesday, 12 Dec 2012, 5:06am
> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]
> Subject:
[gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> All,
>
> per its charter, the SCI is expected to take decisions using a 'full consensus' process ("when no one in the group speaks against the recommendation in its last readings").
> Obviously it would be ideal if all members support a certain position.
>
> It would also be ideal if we find consensus today which is the deadline for motions before the next counciil meeting. But in order to reduce time pressure I could imagine the option to submit the draft motion today, noting that there are some issues that are still being discussed by the SCI which may result in withdrawal of the motion and agenda item if no agreement can be found.
>
> If there is no objection I'll do so accordingly at the end of the day.
>
> Thanks for this valuable discussion and for your understanding.
>
>
Best regards
>
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
>
> From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>
> To: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com>, "KnobenW@telekom.de" <KnobenW@telekom.de>
> Cc: "AAikman@lrlaw.com" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>, "avri@acm.org" <avri@acm.org>, "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Alain,
>
> One consideration is that if we add that language it is a substantive change from the original footnote text. The previous suggestion ? adding the word "stated" and deleting "until further notice" --- was deemed by the SCI to be a minor clarification and thus didn't require us to open a Public Comment Forum on new language. As discussed during last Thursday's meeting, any substantive change to the text that was presented in the public comment period that just ended on 03 December would require that the revised text go out
for public comment again at a minimum of 21 days. Staff pointed out that with the holiday we would probably need a longer period, perhaps 30 days.
>
> With best regards,
>
> Julie
>
> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>
> From: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:41 PM
> To: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben <KnobenW@telekom.de>
> Cc: "AAikman@lrlaw.com" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>, "avri@acm.org" <avri@acm.org>, "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Can we simply insert that: ... when judged necessary by the Council, the GNSO Chair can clarify with the Board any required change in scope, timing, and priority...
>
> Alain
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
>
> We all stick to find consensus. I didn't want to suppress any discussion, just bring it to the point.
>
> First the wording must be accepted
by all of us, then the procedure should be agreed.
>
> Anne, do you have a suggestion for the wording which could incorporate the concern? Or do others have?
>
>
> Best regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Aikman-Scalese, Anne
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 17:45
> An: 'Avri Doria'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
>
>
> Avri, thanks for sticking up for the process of consensus. I don't think we are unanimous.
> Anne
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:39 AM
> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Are we unanimous on this issue? I had the impression Anne was still
concerned.
>
> avri
>
> On 11 Dec 2012, at 14:28, <KnobenW@telekom.de> <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Marika for clarification.
> >
> > I'll forward the motion (clear) attached with the revised footnote (redline) to the council list by tomorrows deadline for the 20 Dec council meeting.
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> > Wolf-Ulrich
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org]
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 10:52
> > An: Aikman-Scalese, Anne; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; avri@acm.org;
> > gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> > Betreff: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> > PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >
> > Anne, Staff typically provides the Board with status updates on issues
> > that are of significant interest to the Board, but there are also
> > examples of direct communication between the GNSO Council and the
> > Board after the GNSO Council decided to terminate a PDP that had been
> > initiated to provide input to the ICANN Board (see for example the Vertical Integration PDP:
> > http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg09754.html).
> > It is then up to the Board to decide how to proceed. For example, in
> > the case of vertical integration, the Board made the following
> > decision, absent GNSO Council recommendations:
> > http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-09nov10-en.htm.
> >
> > With best regards,
> >
> > Marika
> >
> > On 10/12/12 19:19, "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Many thanks, Marika - very helpful. Whether or not the Board calls
> >> its questions a "Request for an Issue Report" that then results in
> >> initiation of a
PDP seems less important substantively than the
> >> reference to continuing consultation with the Board as to "scope,
> >> timing, and priority". This discussion illustrates why I think there
> >> has to be some provision for communication with or involvement of the
> >> Board in connection with a GNSO vote to suspend a PDP which is
> >> commenced as a result of a Board request for "answers" or for an
> >> Issue Report. A unilateral suspension by GNSO of a PDP (even on
> >> Supermajority vote) where the PDP was initiated as a result of such a
> >> Board request, is problematic if the Board needs to act. Is there a
> >> provision for providing the Board with a full report as to the status
> >> of the PDP and maybe summarizing the differing opinions expressed
> >> where no consensus was reached in the event of
termination or
> >> suspension? We should not leave the Board in the position where it
> >> has to say, "We cannot act because the GNSO has not acted and has not
> >> answered our questions." This is particularly unsatisfactory where the GAC has asked the Board to address an issue.
> >> Anne
> >>
> >>
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> >> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Marika
> >> Konings
> >> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 4:05 AM
> >> To: KnobenW@telekom.de; avri@acm.org; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >> Subject: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>
> >> To clarify, there are currently two Board requested PDPs, one on the
> >> RAA ('Resolved (2011.10.28.33), the Board also requests the creation
> >> of an Issue Report to undertake a GNSO policy development process
> >> (PDP) as quickly as possible to address remaining items suited for a
> >> PDP) and the recently requested Issue
Report on the purpose of Whois
> >> ('hereby directs preparation of an Issue Report on the purpose of
> >> collecting and maintaining gTLD registration data, and on solutions
> >> to improve accuracy and access to gTLD registration data, as part of
> >> a Board-initiated GNSO policy development process'). As pointed out
> >> by Avri, for PDPs initiated by the ICANN Board, there is no
> >> intermediate vote by the GNSO Council, the PDP automatically
> >> proceeds. However, the ICANN Bylaws foresee that in the case of a
> >> Board initiated PDP, 'the Board should provide a mechanism by which
> >> the GNSO Council can consult with the Board to provide information
> >> on the scope, timing, and priority of the request for an Issue
> >> Report'. In addition to this mechanism, the ICANN Board and GNSO
> >>
Council meet at every ICANN meeting where there is another
> >> opportunity to discuss and/or express concerns with regard to Board
> >> requested PDPs. For example, in relation to the RAA PDP, as a result
> >> of dialogue between the ICANN Board and GNSO Council it was agreed to
> >> 'suspend' the PDP until the RAA negotiations were near completion so that it would be clear which topics would need to be included in the PDP.
> >>
> >> With best regards,
> >>
> >> Marika
> >>
> >> On 09/12/12 08:12, "KnobenW@telekom.de" <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Avri, very helpful for understanding.
> >>>
>
>>>
> >>> Best regards
> >>> Wolf-Ulrich
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Avri
> >>> Doria
> >>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Dezember 2012 05:39
> >>> An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>> Betreff: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
>>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> As I understand it, they have asked g-council for answers, but they
> >>> have not actually used the by-laws mechanism of requesting a PDP.
> >>> The g-council has used the PDP as a method of deciding on answers.
> >>> These are still g-council initiated PDPs. Had the Board asked for
> >>> the PDP, there never would have been a vote in g-council to initiate the PDP.
> >>> Specifically:
> >>>
> >>> "
> >>> March 212 20120314-1
> >>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process (PDP) on 'thick'
> >>> Whois
> >>>
> >>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on 'thick' Whois
> >>> at its meeting on 22 September 2011
> >>>
(seehttp://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109);
> >>>
> >>> ....
> >>> "
> >>>
> >>> "
> >>> November 2012 20121017-2
> >>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process on the
> >>> Protection of Certain International Organization Names in all GTLDs.
> >>>
> >>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on the topic of
> >>> whether ICANN should approve additional protections for the names of
> >>> international organizations at the first and second levels in the
> >>> New gTLD Program.
> >>>
> >>> ....
> >>> "
> >>>
> >>> Under the by-laws, ANNEX A: GNSO POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
>
>>>
> >>> "
> >>> Section 3. Requesting an Issue Report
> >>>
> >>> Board Request. The Board may request an Issue Report by instructing
> >>> the GNSO Council ("Council") to begin the process outlined the PDP Manual.
> >>> In the event the Board makes a request for an Issue Report, the
> >>> Board should provide a mechanism by which the GNSO Council can
> >>> consult with the Board to provide information on the scope, timing,
> >>> and priority of the request for an Issue Report.
> >>>
> >>> ....
> >>>
> >>> Section 5. Initiation of the PDP
> >>>
> >>> The Council may initiate the PDP as follows:
> >>>
> >>> Board Request: If the Board requested an Issue Report, the Council,
>
>>> within the timeframe set forth in thePDP Manual, shall initiate a PDP.
> >>> No vote is required for such action.
> >>> "
> >>>
> >>> avri
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 9 Dec 2012, at 03:20, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Must be my misunderstanding... I thought both the current whois PDP
> >>>> and IOC RC NGO PDP were requested by the ICANN Board. Anne
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com)
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Ron Andruff [randruff@rnapartners.com]
> >>>> Received: Saturday, 08 Dec 2012, 3:06pm
> >>>> To:
'Avri Doria' [avri@acm.org]; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]
> >>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I support Avri's comments as well. The Board's role is to commit
> >>>> policy that has been developed through the bottom up process into
> >>>> rule by way of resolution. Although the history of the Board's
> >>>> actions to date might prove otherwise, in an ever-maturing
ICANN
> >>>> environment we should expect the Board to conform to ICANN's basic
> >>>> principles.
> >>>>
> >>>> I support the footnote amendment as proposed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kind regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> RA
> >>>>
> >>>> Ronald N. Andruff
> >>>> RNA Partners, Inc.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri
>
>>>> Doria
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:47 AM
> >>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I think the question of what the Board would do if g-council ever
> >>>> suspended a PDP that they mandated is an open question. I expect
> >>>> they would either wait, question the postponement, or make one
> >>>> their preemptory decisions.
> >>>> Since the Board has never yet, to my knowledge, mandated a PDP -
> >>>> though
they can - I do not think it is a critical issue at this
> >>>> point, and in any case think it is a separate issue from the
> >>>> suspension mechanism. All other PDPs are g-council decsions, even
> >>>> if the issues report is requested by one of the ACs.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am fine with the footnote. thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> avri
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 8 Dec 2012, at 18:26, <KnobenW@telekom.de> <KnobenW@telekom.de>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Anne and all,
> >>>>>
>
>>>>> this touches the question whether the board may overrule a council
> >>>> decision on suspension because you're expressing an expectation
> >>>> that the council should follow a related board request. I think
> >>>> this could be the case depending on a council debate following the
> >>>> board request but there is no obligation to do so.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With this understanding, an you agree to the footnote provided by
> >>>> Julie?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards
> >>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] Im Auftrag von
> >>>> Aikman-Scalese, Anne
> >>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Dezember 2012 18:43
> >>>>> An: 'J. Scott Evans'; Julie Hedlund;
> >>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>>>> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This makes sense. Is it clear to everyone that if the ICANN Board
> >>>> says,
>
>>>> "Sorry, GNSO, we don't want you to suspend because we need an
> >>>> answer
> >>>> - go back to the drawing board," then that is what will happen?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Deadlock is deadly for ICANN. If GNSO can't work effectively and
> >>>>> the
> >>>> Board has to act (pursuant to GAC Advice or otherwise), then Fadi's
> >>>> "oasis"
> >>>> announced in Dubai becomes more of a "quagmire" and pressure
> >>>> increases to take control away from ICANN.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I only raise this because it seems to me the question will come up
> >>>>> at
> >>>> the
> >>>> GNSO level.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anne
>
>>>>>
> >>>>> <image001.gif>Anne E. Aikman-Scalese Of Counsel Lewis and Roca LLP
> >>>>> . Suite 700 One South Church Avenue . Tucson, Arizona 85701-1611
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: J. Scott Evans [mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com]
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:20 AM
> >>>>> To: Julie Hedlund; Aikman-Scalese, Anne;
> >>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can live with that and I don't think this require further public
> >>>> comment
> >>>> since it merely clarifies the suspension.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> jse
> >>>>>
> >>>>> j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo!
> >>>> Inc.
> >>>> - 408.349.1385 - jscottevans@yahoo.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>
> >>>>> To: "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>;
> >>>> "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:40 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks Anne. Then, would you want "until further notice" to be
> >>>> deleted?
>
>>>> If so, here's an amended text for all to review.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>> Julie
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
> >>>> temporary
> >>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
> >>>> decision of the GNSO Council. A mere change in milestones or
> >>>> schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@LRLaw.com>
> >>>>> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:32 PM
> >>>>> To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org"
> >>>> <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>,
> >>>> Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>
> >>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What is the relationship between "stated" and "until further notice"?
> >>>> If
> >>>> "stated" applies, then it seems that "until further notice" would
> >>>> not apply.
> >>>> Anne
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my Android phone using
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Julie Hedlund [julie.hedlund@icann.org]
> >>>>> Received: Thursday, 06 Dec 2012, 2:15pm
> >>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> >>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]
> >>>>> Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> >>>> PDP--Proposed
> >>>> Revised Footnote
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear SCI members,
> >>>>>
>
>>>>> As we discussed on today's call, J. Scott has proposed a
> >>>> clarification to
> >>>> the footnote text for the PDP Manual, Section 15, on Suspending a PDP.
> >>>> Please review the revised following text with the change in bold
> >>>> all
> >>>> caps:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
> >>>> temporary
> >>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
> >>>> decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change
> >>>> in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For reference, I have included the entire section below so that
> >>>>> the
>
>>>> footnote may be viewed in context.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It was suggested on the call that if this clarification is
> >>>>> accepted
> >>>> by the
> >>>> SCI members it will not require a new public comment period.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> **Please send any comments by COB Monday, 10 December so that if
> >>>>> the
> >>>> SCI
> >>>> decides to submit a motion it may do so by the deadline of
> >>>> Wednesday,
> >>>> 12
> >>>> December.**
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With best regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Julie
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
> >>>>>
>
>>>>> 15. Termination of PDP prior to Final Report
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The GNSO Council may terminate or suspend[1] a PDP prior to the
> >>>> publication of a Final Report only for significant cause, upon a
> >>>> motion that passes with a Supermajority Vote in favour of
> >>>> termination orsuspension.
> >>>> The
> >>>> following are illustrative examples of possible reasons for a
> >>>> premature termination or suspension of a PDP:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Deadlock. The PDP Team is hopelessly deadlocked and unable to
> >>>> identify recommendations or statements that have either the strong
> >>>> support or a consensus of its members despite significant time and
>
>>>> resources being dedicated to the PDP;
> >>>>> 2. Changing Circumstances. Events have occurred since the
> >>>> initiation
> >>>> of the PDP that have rendered the PDP moot, or no longer necessary;
> >>>> or warranting a suspension; or
> >>>>> 3. Lack of Community Volunteers. Despite several calls for
> >>>> participation, the work of the PDP Team issignificantly impaired
> >>>> and unable to effectively conclude its deliberations due to lack
> >>>> of volunteer participation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If there is no recommendation from the PDP Team for its
> >>>>> termination,
> >>>> the
> >>>> Council is required to conduct a public comment forum
first prior
> >>>> to conducting a vote on the termination of the PDP (as described above).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1] Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
> >>>> temporary
> >>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
> >>>> decision of the GNSO Council until furthernotice. A mere change in
> >>>> milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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New subject: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>From my recollection, I don't think the PDP-WT ever discussed the possibility of a suspension as it was not a scenario that had occurred (and therefore no one seemed to have thought of it). On the contrary, the need to be able to terminate a PDP was a real issue as the VI PDP had demonstrated that there may be occasions were the GNSO Council may want to officially terminate a PDP instead of forcing it to go through the motions. Suspension became first to the forefront with the 'thick' Whois PDP (after the revised PDP had already been adopted).
In relation to your comment 'there is a basic problem of the Board being put in an unworkable position if it does not get answers from the GNSO', it seems to assume that the PDP would not conclude if there is a suspension. I think this is only the case when there is a termination of the PDP, at that moment, there is no further requirement for the PDP to complete its milestones and deliver recommendations to the Board. In the case of suspension, there is merely an interval of time, which needs to be stated in the resolution, during which all activities of the PDP are halted, but after which, they would resume and follow the required steps of the PDP (incl. delivering a Final Report). I could see such a suspension happening, for example, when there are studies that need to be carried out to inform the PDP deliberations and without which the PDP WG cannot make any real progress. In the hypothetical case that the GNSO Council would not want to provide answers to the Board, why wouldn't they just terminate the PDP? If there is no willingness or ability to complete the work, it doesn't seem to make sense to choose for suspension if you also have the option to terminate.
Best regards,
Marika
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Date: Monday 17 December 2012 13:10
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Mary and Marika, I think this discussion points out why more thought is needed in this process. To go back to the question I had raised, there is a basic problem of the Board being put in an unworkable position if it does not get answers from the GNSO. A statement of why the PDP is being suspended is not in fact the same as a summary of where the working group finds itself at the time of suspension, the different viewpoints that exist at that time, etc. I believe that there is a lot at stake if ICANN is unable to effectively address GAC advice in particular with timely policy input from the GNSO. There can be many possible reasons for suspension, but a written report of the status should be required at suspension or the GNSO may simply leave the Board (and sometimes the GAC) in limbo. If and when that happens, it provides support for the arguments of those who would vest more control in individual governments.
I am honestly beginning to think that the real "bandaid" in this scenario is a suspension provision that is codified in the PDP manual (part of GNSO Operating procedures) without adequate analysis of the consequences. Perhaps a perceived need to codify this should be part of the process that Marika has mentioned when the SCI looks at the entire PDP process in one year. Apparently suspension was not addressed in the PDP working group so maybe we should not be trying to do the job for them. Suspension is not merely a minor subset of termination which has no consequences on policy or organizational effectiveness.
In terms of consensus process, I have shared my concerns with IPC leadership over the past ten days and am awaiting their further direction. This is one reason that I say a "negative response" mechanism does not meet the full consensus process. There are also problems with this approach in terms of system downtime, travel, and time zones such as Mary is facing right now.
By the way, I should also mention that the version of the December 6 transcript that was posted right after that meeting contained a number of inaccuracies. For example, it credits Marika with saying that it is more important to get it right than it is to be concerned that this has been out for public comment. I doubt she wants to be credited with that statement. There were also inaccuracies in the transcript of what I said. To the extent that GNSO councilors may have viewed the written transcript to inform themselves on the issue, there could be some misunderstandings.
I am headed to the Prioritization Draw today and have some other deadlines. I will check back into this list tomorrow. Again, I am awaiting further direction from IPC leadership with respect to this matter.
Thank you,
Anne
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Thanks, Marika - perhaps using the term "interim status report" conveys more than I'd intended to suggest in supporting the concept. What I had in mind was simply a statement from the Council when voting to suspend a PDP, giving its reasons for so doing. The intention was to so notify the community - incuding the ICANN Board in cases of Board-directed PDPs - that such an action had been taken. As such, and instead of using the term "interim status report" we could just say "a statement of reasons" from the GNSO Council.
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Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Marika, I see the point of broader considerations but think the analogy to a bandaid on an unmanifested wound is very poor. It's actually a bit more like putting on a helmet before riding a bike. See you Monday at the brunch and maybe we can talk further! Anne
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All, it may be worth pointing out that for every PDP as well as non-PDP, there are regular status updates already provided. For example, the GNSO project list which is updated on a monthly basis (see http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/pending-projects-list.pdf). Also, each project has their own page on the GNSO web-site which is updated with every milestone activity (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active-groups.htm). In addition, each resolution that is adopted by the GNSO Council contains the rationale for that decision in the 'whereas' clauses (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/resolutions).
It should also be noted that an 'interim status report' is currently not defined in the PDP Manual (what would need to be in there, who is responsible for preparing it, would it need to be adopted by a vote of the GNSO Council?). Furthermore, in addition to the Board, ICANN Advisory Committees can also request Issue Reports, but they have not been considered in this conversation.
As a result, I would really like to encourage the SCI to review this issue in a broader context (if/when/how should PDP status updates be provided to entities other than the GNSO Council during the lifespan of a PDP, taking into account all the different communication tools already in place) as part of the overall review of the PDP, instead of applying a bandaid here to a wound that has not even manifested itself.
Best regards,
Marika
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Date: Saturday 15 December 2012 18:58
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Just a minor note that at this point we were not limiting the interim status report to any "Board-directed PDP". I think the simplest add would be to require an interim status report to the GNSO Council, e.g. "all activities (other than an interim status report to the Council) will halt." Then SCI could recommend that the interim status report be published to the entire community. Anne
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I support the concept of an interim report to be put out to the community by the GNSO Council upon its suspension of a PDP; however, I'd like to separate out our actual recommendation (which is to clarify what and when there is considered to be a suspension of a PDP) with our opinion as to either the GNSO Council's relationship with/reaction to Board-directed PDPs or as to appropriate action by the Council in voting for a suspension.
I'd therefore suggest a slight modification to our Option 3 - take the language/mention of an interim report out of the sentence containing our recommendation, and either add a new sentence following that, or create an additional, related recommendation, stating that "The SCI recommends that, in cases of suspension of a Board-directed PDP, the GNSO Council issues an interim report stating the reasons for such suspension to the community." Or something along those lines.
Cheers
Mary
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>>> "Ron Andruff" 12/14/12 3:13 PM >>>
Dear all,
Recognizing that I am not yet installed as the Chair of the SCI until our next meeting this coming Thursday (Dec. 20th), yet being responsible for that meeting, (forgive me Wolf-Ulrich) I have two requests:
(1) It would be very helpful if all SCI members would look at where we are with the ?Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote? and add your thoughts. The most recent exchanges on that thread are noted below. It appears that we have found a way forward, but this needs to be confirmed by all members.
(2) I would also ask everyone to take a few minutes to complete the Survey that Julie sent around again today with her request that we all fill it out and note our experience and thoughts about amendments. She has asked for this to be done by Wednesday, Dec. 19th, so please do take a few minutes if you can spare them during this busy lead up to Christmas so that we can have a productive discussion.
Thank you all in advance for attending to these two outstanding items.
Kind regards,
RA
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Ron, I would certainly support that notion in the interest of accountability and transparency.
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Question for all re: an interim status report to the ICANN Board
If I understand Anne?s line of thinking, the concern is about how to deal specifically with Board requested PDPs that are suspended. However, option 3 sounds like we are recommending that the Board receive an interim report whether they have initiated the PDP or not. This is a significant change and would only add more to the Board?s already full plate, in my view.
That said, in circumstance where a suspension has been called for, I do see the merit of requesting that Council generate an interim report and post it to inform the entire community of the suspension and reason(s) for which it was suspended. That would be quite logical in the larger scheme of things.
Anne, please correct me if I am wrong.
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I would propose a third option:
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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Subject: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All,
from the list I did not understand a clear objection against sending the draft motion to the council with the option of withdrawing it if there can't be found SCI consensus. So I took this responsibility and did it to preserve this chance.
I'd like to encourage all of us to continue working at a solution re the footnote. 2 suggestions are at the table:
1. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
1.
Suspension is a STATEDtime interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council, subject to ICANN Board review in those cases where the Board has requested GNSO input. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
Please comment.
I wonder what how to proceed if there will be no consensus found at thew time being. On the one hand I've got the impression that a majority would be satisfied with suggestion #1 but also open to find a solution which doesn't cause the need for another public comment period.
In case of no consensus we could also - as we did with other items discussed at the SCI - report to the council where we are, that there has been a public comment period successfully finished, but there are still concerns which would prevent the SCI from consensus. The council may then decide how to deal with the (publicly commented) text.
I would be thankful hearing your assessment on and under which conditions consensus could still be achieved.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I do not believe that this "negative response" mechanism is in accordance with the full consensus process. I also believe I spoke against this at the last reading. Anne
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Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All,
per its charter, the SCI is expected to take decisions using a 'full consensus' process ("when no one in the group speaks against the recommendation in its last readings").
Obviously it would be ideal if all members support a certain position.
It would also be ideal if we find consensus today which is the deadline for motions before the next counciil meeting. But in order to reduce time pressure I could imagine the option to submit the draft motion today, noting that there are some issues that are still being discussed by the SCI which may result in withdrawal of the motion and agenda item if no agreement can be found.
If there is no objection I'll do so accordingly at the end of the day.
Thanks for this valuable discussion and for your understanding.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Alain,
One consideration is that if we add that language it is a substantive change from the original footnote text. The previous suggestion ? adding the word "stated" and deleting "until further notice" --- was deemed by the SCI to be a minor clarification and thus didn't require us to open a Public Comment Forum on new language. As discussed during last Thursday's meeting, any substantive change to the text that was presented in the public comment period that just ended on 03 December would require that the revised text go out for public comment again at a minimum of 21 days. Staff pointed out that with the holiday we would probably need a longer period, perhaps 30 days.
With best regards,
Julie
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From: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com<mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com>>
Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:41 PM
To: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>>
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Can we simply insert that: ... when judged necessary by the Council, the GNSO Chair can clarify with the Board any required change in scope, timing, and priority...
Alain
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
We all stick to find consensus. I didn't want to suppress any discussion, just bring it to the point.
First the wording must be accepted by all of us, then the procedure should be agreed.
Anne, do you have a suggestion for the wording which could incorporate the concern? Or do others have?
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Avri, thanks for sticking up for the process of consensus. I don't think we are unanimous.
Anne
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Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:39 AM
To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Hi,
Are we unanimous on this issue? I had the impression Anne was still concerned.
avri
On 11 Dec 2012, at 14:28, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
> Thanks Marika for clarification.
>
> I'll forward the motion (clear) attached with the revised footnote (redline) to the council list by tomorrows deadline for the 20 Dec council meeting.
>
>
> Best regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 10:52
> An: Aikman-Scalese, Anne; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>;
> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
> Betreff: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Anne, Staff typically provides the Board with status updates on issues
> that are of significant interest to the Board, but there are also
> examples of direct communication between the GNSO Council and the
> Board after the GNSO Council decided to terminate a PDP that had been
> initiated to provide input to the ICANN Board (see for example the Vertical Integration PDP:
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg09754.html).
> It is then up to the Board to decide how to proceed. For example, in
> the case of vertical integration, the Board made the following
> decision, absent GNSO Council recommendations:
> http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-09nov10-en.htm.
>
> With best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> On 10/12/12 19:19, "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>> wrote:
>
>> Many thanks, Marika - very helpful. Whether or not the Board calls
>> its questions a "Request for an Issue Report" that then results in
>> initiation of a PDP seems less important substantively than the
>> reference to continuing consultation with the Board as to "scope,
>> timing, and priority". This discussion illustrates why I think there
>> has to be some provision for communication with or involvement of the
>> Board in connection with a GNSO vote to suspend a PDP which is
>> commenced as a result of a Board request for "answers" or for an
>> Issue Report. A unilateral suspension by GNSO of a PDP (even on
>> Supermajority vote) where the PDP was initiated as a result of such a
>> Board request, is problematic if the Board needs to act. Is there a
>> provision for providing the Board with a full report as to the status
>> of the PDP and maybe summarizing the differing opinions expressed
>> where no consensus was reached in the event of termination or
>> suspension? We should not leave the Board in the position where it
>> has to say, "We cannot act because the GNSO has not acted and has not
>> answered our questions." This is particularly unsatisfactory where the GAC has asked the Board to address an issue.
>> Anne
>>
>>
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>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Marika
>> Konings
>> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 4:05 AM
>> To: KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>; avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>
>> To clarify, there are currently two Board requested PDPs, one on the
>> RAA ('Resolved (2011.10.28.33), the Board also requests the creation
>> of an Issue Report to undertake a GNSO policy development process
>> (PDP) as quickly as possible to address remaining items suited for a
>> PDP) and the recently requested Issue Report on the purpose of Whois
>> ('hereby directs preparation of an Issue Report on the purpose of
>> collecting and maintaining gTLD registration data, and on solutions
>> to improve accuracy and access to gTLD registration data, as part of
>> a Board-initiated GNSO policy development process'). As pointed out
>> by Avri, for PDPs initiated by the ICANN Board, there is no
>> intermediate vote by the GNSO Council, the PDP automatically
>> proceeds. However, the ICANN Bylaws foresee that in the case of a
>> Board initiated PDP, 'the Board should provide a mechanism by which
>> the GNSO Council can consult with the Board to provide information
>> on the scope, timing, and priority of the request for an Issue
>> Report'. In addition to this mechanism, the ICANN Board and GNSO
>> Council meet at every ICANN meeting where there is another
>> opportunity to discuss and/or express concerns with regard to Board
>> requested PDPs. For example, in relation to the RAA PDP, as a result
>> of dialogue between the ICANN Board and GNSO Council it was agreed to
>> 'suspend' the PDP until the RAA negotiations were near completion so that it would be clear which topics would need to be included in the PDP.
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> Marika
>>
>> On 09/12/12 08:12, "KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>" <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Avri, very helpful for understanding.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] Im Auftrag von Avri
>>> Doria
>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Dezember 2012 05:39
>>> An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>> Betreff: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As I understand it, they have asked g-council for answers, but they
>>> have not actually used the by-laws mechanism of requesting a PDP.
>>> The g-council has used the PDP as a method of deciding on answers.
>>> These are still g-council initiated PDPs. Had the Board asked for
>>> the PDP, there never would have been a vote in g-council to initiate the PDP.
>>> Specifically:
>>>
>>> "
>>> March 212 20120314-1
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process (PDP) on 'thick'
>>> Whois
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on 'thick' Whois
>>> at its meeting on 22 September 2011
>>> (seehttp://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109<http://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109>);
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> "
>>> November 2012 20121017-2
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process on the
>>> Protection of Certain International Organization Names in all GTLDs.
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on the topic of
>>> whether ICANN should approve additional protections for the names of
>>> international organizations at the first and second levels in the
>>> New gTLD Program.
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> Under the by-laws, ANNEX A: GNSO POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
>>>
>>> "
>>> Section 3. Requesting an Issue Report
>>>
>>> Board Request. The Board may request an Issue Report by instructing
>>> the GNSO Council ("Council") to begin the process outlined the PDP Manual.
>>> In the event the Board makes a request for an Issue Report, the
>>> Board should provide a mechanism by which the GNSO Council can
>>> consult with the Board to provide information on the scope, timing,
>>> and priority of the request for an Issue Report.
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> Section 5. Initiation of the PDP
>>>
>>> The Council may initiate the PDP as follows:
>>>
>>> Board Request: If the Board requested an Issue Report, the Council,
>>> within the timeframe set forth in thePDP Manual, shall initiate a PDP.
>>> No vote is required for such action.
>>> "
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 Dec 2012, at 03:20, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:
>>>
>>>> Must be my misunderstanding... I thought both the current whois PDP
>>>> and IOC RC NGO PDP were requested by the ICANN Board. Anne
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com<http://www.nitrodesk.com>)
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ron Andruff [randruff@rnapartners.com<mailto:randruff@rnapartners.com>]
>>>> Received: Saturday, 08 Dec 2012, 3:06pm
>>>> To: 'Avri Doria' [avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>]; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>]
>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I support Avri's comments as well. The Board's role is to commit
>>>> policy that has been developed through the bottom up process into
>>>> rule by way of resolution. Although the history of the Board's
>>>> actions to date might prove otherwise, in an ever-maturing ICANN
>>>> environment we should expect the Board to conform to ICANN's basic
>>>> principles.
>>>>
>>>> I support the footnote amendment as proposed.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> RA
>>>>
>>>> Ronald N. Andruff
>>>> RNA Partners, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Avri
>>>> Doria
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:47 AM
>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think the question of what the Board would do if g-council ever
>>>> suspended a PDP that they mandated is an open question. I expect
>>>> they would either wait, question the postponement, or make one
>>>> their preemptory decisions.
>>>> Since the Board has never yet, to my knowledge, mandated a PDP -
>>>> though they can - I do not think it is a critical issue at this
>>>> point, and in any case think it is a separate issue from the
>>>> suspension mechanism. All other PDPs are g-council decsions, even
>>>> if the issues report is requested by one of the ACs.
>>>>
>>>> I am fine with the footnote. thanks.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 Dec 2012, at 18:26, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anne and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> this touches the question whether the board may overrule a council
>>>> decision on suspension because you're expressing an expectation
>>>> that the council should follow a related board request. I think
>>>> this could be the case depending on a council debate following the
>>>> board request but there is no obligation to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> With this understanding, an you agree to the footnote provided by
>>>> Julie?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] Im Auftrag von
>>>> Aikman-Scalese, Anne
>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Dezember 2012 18:43
>>>>> An: 'J. Scott Evans'; Julie Hedlund;
>>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> This makes sense. Is it clear to everyone that if the ICANN Board
>>>> says,
>>>> "Sorry, GNSO, we don't want you to suspend because we need an
>>>> answer
>>>> - go back to the drawing board," then that is what will happen?
>>>>>
>>>>> Deadlock is deadly for ICANN. If GNSO can't work effectively and
>>>>> the
>>>> Board has to act (pursuant to GAC Advice or otherwise), then Fadi's
>>>> "oasis"
>>>> announced in Dubai becomes more of a "quagmire" and pressure
>>>> increases to take control away from ICANN.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only raise this because it seems to me the question will come up
>>>>> at
>>>> the
>>>> GNSO level.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anne
>>>>>
>>>>> <image001.gif>Anne E. Aikman-Scalese Of Counsel Lewis and Roca LLP
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>>>>> From: J. Scott Evans [mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com>]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:20 AM
>>>>> To: Julie Hedlund; Aikman-Scalese, Anne;
>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> I can live with that and I don't think this require further public
>>>> comment
>>>> since it merely clarifies the suspension.
>>>>>
>>>>> jse
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>
>>>>> To: "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>;
>>>> "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Anne. Then, would you want "until further notice" to be
>>>> deleted?
>>>> If so, here's an amended text for all to review.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council. A mere change in milestones or
>>>> schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@LRLaw.com<mailto:AAikman@LRLaw.com>>
>>>>> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:32 PM
>>>>> To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>"
>>>> <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>,
>>>> Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>
>>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the relationship between "stated" and "until further notice"?
>>>> If
>>>> "stated" applies, then it seems that "until further notice" would
>>>> not apply.
>>>> Anne
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com<http://www.nitrodesk.com>)
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund [julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>]
>>>>> Received: Thursday, 06 Dec 2012, 2:15pm
>>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>]
>>>>> Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed
>>>> Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear SCI members,
>>>>>
>>>>> As we discussed on today's call, J. Scott has proposed a
>>>> clarification to
>>>> the footnote text for the PDP Manual, Section 15, on Suspending a PDP.
>>>> Please review the revised following text with the change in bold
>>>> all
>>>> caps:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change
>>>> in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> For reference, I have included the entire section below so that
>>>>> the
>>>> footnote may be viewed in context.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was suggested on the call that if this clarification is
>>>>> accepted
>>>> by the
>>>> SCI members it will not require a new public comment period.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Please send any comments by COB Monday, 10 December so that if
>>>>> the
>>>> SCI
>>>> decides to submit a motion it may do so by the deadline of
>>>> Wednesday,
>>>> 12
>>>> December.**
>>>>>
>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>>>>>
>>>>> 15. Termination of PDP prior to Final Report
>>>>>
>>>>> The GNSO Council may terminate or suspend[1] a PDP prior to the
>>>> publication of a Final Report only for significant cause, upon a
>>>> motion that passes with a Supermajority Vote in favour of
>>>> termination orsuspension.
>>>> The
>>>> following are illustrative examples of possible reasons for a
>>>> premature termination or suspension of a PDP:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Deadlock. The PDP Team is hopelessly deadlocked and unable to
>>>> identify recommendations or statements that have either the strong
>>>> support or a consensus of its members despite significant time and
>>>> resources being dedicated to the PDP;
>>>>> 2. Changing Circumstances. Events have occurred since the
>>>> initiation
>>>> of the PDP that have rendered the PDP moot, or no longer necessary;
>>>> or warranting a suspension; or
>>>>> 3. Lack of Community Volunteers. Despite several calls for
>>>> participation, the work of the PDP Team issignificantly impaired
>>>> and unable to effectively conclude its deliberations due to lack
>>>> of volunteer participation.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is no recommendation from the PDP Team for its
>>>>> termination,
>>>> the
>>>> Council is required to conduct a public comment forum first prior
>>>> to conducting a vote on the termination of the PDP (as described above).
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until furthernotice. A mere change in
>>>> milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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1:15 p.m.
New subject: AW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All,
I think there is still discussion necessary on approaching consensus re this issue. Maybe misunderstandings have to be cleared, maybe some potential consequences of the outcome have to be taken into consideration.
The last days I had already conversation about with Ron the new elected SCI chair. We're sharing the view that more time is needed and the draft motion should be withdrawn for the time being. I'm going to suggest this to the council leadership later today at the prep call for the council meeting.
Nevertheless we should try to find a solution as soon as possible.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
________________________________
Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Marika Konings
Gesendet: Montag, 17. Dezember 2012 13:51
An: Aikman-Scalese, Anne; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org; randruff@rnapartners.com; Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu
Betreff: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>From my recollection, I don't think the PDP-WT ever discussed the possibility of a suspension as it was not a scenario that had occurred (and therefore no one seemed to have thought of it). On the contrary, the need to be able to terminate a PDP was a real issue as the VI PDP had demonstrated that there may be occasions were the GNSO Council may want to officially terminate a PDP instead of forcing it to go through the motions. Suspension became first to the forefront with the 'thick' Whois PDP (after the revised PDP had already been adopted).
In relation to your comment 'there is a basic problem of the Board being put in an unworkable position if it does not get answers from the GNSO', it seems to assume that the PDP would not conclude if there is a suspension. I think this is only the case when there is a termination of the PDP, at that moment, there is no further requirement for the PDP to complete its milestones and deliver recommendations to the Board. In the case of suspension, there is merely an interval of time, which needs to be stated in the resolution, during which all activities of the PDP are halted, but after which, they would resume and follow the required steps of the PDP (incl. delivering a Final Report). I could see such a suspension happening, for example, when there are studies that need to be carried out to inform the PDP deliberations and without which the PDP WG cannot make any real progress. In the hypothetical case that the GNSO Council would not want to provide answers to the Board, why wouldn't they just terminate the PDP? If there is no willingness or ability to complete the work, it doesn't seem to make sense to choose for suspension if you also have the option to terminate.
Best regards,
Marika
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Mary and Marika, I think this discussion points out why more thought is needed in this process. To go back to the question I had raised, there is a basic problem of the Board being put in an unworkable position if it does not get answers from the GNSO. A statement of why the PDP is being suspended is not in fact the same as a summary of where the working group finds itself at the time of suspension, the different viewpoints that exist at that time, etc. I believe that there is a lot at stake if ICANN is unable to effectively address GAC advice in particular with timely policy input from the GNSO. There can be many possible reasons for suspension, but a written report of the status should be required at suspension or the GNSO may simply leave the Board (and sometimes the GAC) in limbo. If and when that happens, it provides support for the arguments of those who would vest more control in individual governments.
I am honestly beginning to think that the real "bandaid" in this scenario is a suspension provision that is codified in the PDP manual (part of GNSO Operating procedures) without adequate analysis of the consequences. Perhaps a perceived need to codify this should be part of the process that Marika has mentioned when the SCI looks at the entire PDP process in one year. Apparently suspension was not addressed in the PDP working group so maybe we should not be trying to do the job for them. Suspension is not merely a minor subset of termination which has no consequences on policy or organizational effectiveness.
In terms of consensus process, I have shared my concerns with IPC leadership over the past ten days and am awaiting their further direction. This is one reason that I say a "negative response" mechanism does not meet the full consensus process. There are also problems with this approach in terms of system downtime, travel, and time zones such as Mary is facing right now.
By the way, I should also mention that the version of the December 6 transcript that was posted right after that meeting contained a number of inaccuracies. For example, it credits Marika with saying that it is more important to get it right than it is to be concerned that this has been out for public comment. I doubt she wants to be credited with that statement. There were also inaccuracies in the transcript of what I said. To the extent that GNSO councilors may have viewed the written transcript to inform themselves on the issue, there could be some misunderstandings.
I am headed to the Prioritization Draw today and have some other deadlines. I will check back into this list tomorrow. Again, I am awaiting further direction from IPC leadership with respect to this matter.
Thank you,
Anne
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Thanks, Marika - perhaps using the term "interim status report" conveys more than I'd intended to suggest in supporting the concept. What I had in mind was simply a statement from the Council when voting to suspend a PDP, giving its reasons for so doing. The intention was to so notify the community - incuding the ICANN Board in cases of Board-directed PDPs - that such an action had been taken. As such, and instead of using the term "interim status report" we could just say "a statement of reasons" from the GNSO Council.
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Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Marika, I see the point of broader considerations but think the analogy to a bandaid on an unmanifested wound is very poor. It's actually a bit more like putting on a helmet before riding a bike. See you Monday at the brunch and maybe we can talk further! Anne
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All, it may be worth pointing out that for every PDP as well as non-PDP, there are regular status updates already provided. For example, the GNSO project list which is updated on a monthly basis (see http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/pending-projects-list.pdf). Also, each project has their own page on the GNSO web-site which is updated with every milestone activity (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active-groups.htm). In addition, each resolution that is adopted by the GNSO Council contains the rationale for that decision in the 'whereas' clauses (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/resolutions).
It should also be noted that an 'interim status report' is currently not defined in the PDP Manual (what would need to be in there, who is responsible for preparing it, would it need to be adopted by a vote of the GNSO Council?). Furthermore, in addition to the Board, ICANN Advisory Committees can also request Issue Reports, but they have not been considered in this conversation.
As a result, I would really like to encourage the SCI to review this issue in a broader context (if/when/how should PDP status updates be provided to entities other than the GNSO Council during the lifespan of a PDP, taking into account all the different communication tools already in place) as part of the overall review of the PDP, instead of applying a bandaid here to a wound that has not even manifested itself.
Best regards,
Marika
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Date: Saturday 15 December 2012 18:58
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Just a minor note that at this point we were not limiting the interim status report to any "Board-directed PDP". I think the simplest add would be to require an interim status report to the GNSO Council, e.g. "all activities (other than an interim status report to the Council) will halt." Then SCI could recommend that the interim status report be published to the entire community. Anne
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I support the concept of an interim report to be put out to the community by the GNSO Council upon its suspension of a PDP; however, I'd like to separate out our actual recommendation (which is to clarify what and when there is considered to be a suspension of a PDP) with our opinion as to either the GNSO Council's relationship with/reaction to Board-directed PDPs or as to appropriate action by the Council in voting for a suspension.
I'd therefore suggest a slight modification to our Option 3 - take the language/mention of an interim report out of the sentence containing our recommendation, and either add a new sentence following that, or create an additional, related recommendation, stating that "The SCI recommends that, in cases of suspension of a Board-directed PDP, the GNSO Council issues an interim report stating the reasons for such suspension to the community." Or something along those lines.
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>>> "Ron Andruff" 12/14/12 3:13 PM >>>
Dear all,
Recognizing that I am not yet installed as the Chair of the SCI until our next meeting this coming Thursday (Dec. 20th), yet being responsible for that meeting, (forgive me Wolf-Ulrich) I have two requests:
(1) It would be very helpful if all SCI members would look at where we are with the ?Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote? and add your thoughts. The most recent exchanges on that thread are noted below. It appears that we have found a way forward, but this needs to be confirmed by all members.
(2) I would also ask everyone to take a few minutes to complete the Survey that Julie sent around again today with her request that we all fill it out and note our experience and thoughts about amendments. She has asked for this to be done by Wednesday, Dec. 19th, so please do take a few minutes if you can spare them during this busy lead up to Christmas so that we can have a productive discussion.
Thank you all in advance for attending to these two outstanding items.
Kind regards,
RA
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Ron, I would certainly support that notion in the interest of accountability and transparency.
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Question for all re: an interim status report to the ICANN Board
If I understand Anne?s line of thinking, the concern is about how to deal specifically with Board requested PDPs that are suspended. However, option 3 sounds like we are recommending that the Board receive an interim report whether they have initiated the PDP or not. This is a significant change and would only add more to the Board?s already full plate, in my view.
That said, in circumstance where a suspension has been called for, I do see the merit of requesting that Council generate an interim report and post it to inform the entire community of the suspension and reason(s) for which it was suspended. That would be quite logical in the larger scheme of things.
Anne, please correct me if I am wrong.
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I would propose a third option:
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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Subject: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All,
from the list I did not understand a clear objection against sending the draft motion to the council with the option of withdrawing it if there can't be found SCI consensus. So I took this responsibility and did it to preserve this chance.
I'd like to encourage all of us to continue working at a solution re the footnote. 2 suggestions are at the table:
1. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
1.
Suspension is a STATEDtime interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council, subject to ICANN Board review in those cases where the Board has requested GNSO input. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
Please comment.
I wonder what how to proceed if there will be no consensus found at thew time being. On the one hand I've got the impression that a majority would be satisfied with suggestion #1 but also open to find a solution which doesn't cause the need for another public comment period.
In case of no consensus we could also - as we did with other items discussed at the SCI - report to the council where we are, that there has been a public comment period successfully finished, but there are still concerns which would prevent the SCI from consensus. The council may then decide how to deal with the (publicly commented) text.
I would be thankful hearing your assessment on and under which conditions consensus could still be achieved.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I do not believe that this "negative response" mechanism is in accordance with the full consensus process. I also believe I spoke against this at the last reading. Anne
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Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All,
per its charter, the SCI is expected to take decisions using a 'full consensus' process ("when no one in the group speaks against the recommendation in its last readings").
Obviously it would be ideal if all members support a certain position.
It would also be ideal if we find consensus today which is the deadline for motions before the next counciil meeting. But in order to reduce time pressure I could imagine the option to submit the draft motion today, noting that there are some issues that are still being discussed by the SCI which may result in withdrawal of the motion and agenda item if no agreement can be found.
If there is no objection I'll do so accordingly at the end of the day.
Thanks for this valuable discussion and for your understanding.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Alain,
One consideration is that if we add that language it is a substantive change from the original footnote text. The previous suggestion ? adding the word "stated" and deleting "until further notice" --- was deemed by the SCI to be a minor clarification and thus didn't require us to open a Public Comment Forum on new language. As discussed during last Thursday's meeting, any substantive change to the text that was presented in the public comment period that just ended on 03 December would require that the revised text go out for public comment again at a minimum of 21 days. Staff pointed out that with the holiday we would probably need a longer period, perhaps 30 days.
With best regards,
Julie
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From: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com<mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com>>
Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:41 PM
To: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>>
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Can we simply insert that: ... when judged necessary by the Council, the GNSO Chair can clarify with the Board any required change in scope, timing, and priority...
Alain
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
We all stick to find consensus. I didn't want to suppress any discussion, just bring it to the point.
First the wording must be accepted by all of us, then the procedure should be agreed.
Anne, do you have a suggestion for the wording which could incorporate the concern? Or do others have?
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Avri, thanks for sticking up for the process of consensus. I don't think we are unanimous.
Anne
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Hi,
Are we unanimous on this issue? I had the impression Anne was still concerned.
avri
On 11 Dec 2012, at 14:28, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
> Thanks Marika for clarification.
>
> I'll forward the motion (clear) attached with the revised footnote (redline) to the council list by tomorrows deadline for the 20 Dec council meeting.
>
>
> Best regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 10:52
> An: Aikman-Scalese, Anne; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>;
> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
> Betreff: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Anne, Staff typically provides the Board with status updates on issues
> that are of significant interest to the Board, but there are also
> examples of direct communication between the GNSO Council and the
> Board after the GNSO Council decided to terminate a PDP that had been
> initiated to provide input to the ICANN Board (see for example the Vertical Integration PDP:
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg09754.html).
> It is then up to the Board to decide how to proceed. For example, in
> the case of vertical integration, the Board made the following
> decision, absent GNSO Council recommendations:
> http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-09nov10-en.htm.
>
> With best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> On 10/12/12 19:19, "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>> wrote:
>
>> Many thanks, Marika - very helpful. Whether or not the Board calls
>> its questions a "Request for an Issue Report" that then results in
>> initiation of a PDP seems less important substantively than the
>> reference to continuing consultation with the Board as to "scope,
>> timing, and priority". This discussion illustrates why I think there
>> has to be some provision for communication with or involvement of the
>> Board in connection with a GNSO vote to suspend a PDP which is
>> commenced as a result of a Board request for "answers" or for an
>> Issue Report. A unilateral suspension by GNSO of a PDP (even on
>> Supermajority vote) where the PDP was initiated as a result of such a
>> Board request, is problematic if the Board needs to act. Is there a
>> provision for providing the Board with a full report as to the status
>> of the PDP and maybe summarizing the differing opinions expressed
>> where no consensus was reached in the event of termination or
>> suspension? We should not leave the Board in the position where it
>> has to say, "We cannot act because the GNSO has not acted and has not
>> answered our questions." This is particularly unsatisfactory where the GAC has asked the Board to address an issue.
>> Anne
>>
>>
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>> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Marika
>> Konings
>> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 4:05 AM
>> To: KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>; avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>
>> To clarify, there are currently two Board requested PDPs, one on the
>> RAA ('Resolved (2011.10.28.33), the Board also requests the creation
>> of an Issue Report to undertake a GNSO policy development process
>> (PDP) as quickly as possible to address remaining items suited for a
>> PDP) and the recently requested Issue Report on the purpose of Whois
>> ('hereby directs preparation of an Issue Report on the purpose of
>> collecting and maintaining gTLD registration data, and on solutions
>> to improve accuracy and access to gTLD registration data, as part of
>> a Board-initiated GNSO policy development process'). As pointed out
>> by Avri, for PDPs initiated by the ICANN Board, there is no
>> intermediate vote by the GNSO Council, the PDP automatically
>> proceeds. However, the ICANN Bylaws foresee that in the case of a
>> Board initiated PDP, 'the Board should provide a mechanism by which
>> the GNSO Council can consult with the Board to provide information
>> on the scope, timing, and priority of the request for an Issue
>> Report'. In addition to this mechanism, the ICANN Board and GNSO
>> Council meet at every ICANN meeting where there is another
>> opportunity to discuss and/or express concerns with regard to Board
>> requested PDPs. For example, in relation to the RAA PDP, as a result
>> of dialogue between the ICANN Board and GNSO Council it was agreed to
>> 'suspend' the PDP until the RAA negotiations were near completion so that it would be clear which topics would need to be included in the PDP.
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> Marika
>>
>> On 09/12/12 08:12, "KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>" <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Avri, very helpful for understanding.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] Im Auftrag von Avri
>>> Doria
>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Dezember 2012 05:39
>>> An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>> Betreff: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As I understand it, they have asked g-council for answers, but they
>>> have not actually used the by-laws mechanism of requesting a PDP.
>>> The g-council has used the PDP as a method of deciding on answers.
>>> These are still g-council initiated PDPs. Had the Board asked for
>>> the PDP, there never would have been a vote in g-council to initiate the PDP.
>>> Specifically:
>>>
>>> "
>>> March 212 20120314-1
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process (PDP) on 'thick'
>>> Whois
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on 'thick' Whois
>>> at its meeting on 22 September 2011
>>> (seehttp://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109<http://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109>);
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> "
>>> November 2012 20121017-2
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process on the
>>> Protection of Certain International Organization Names in all GTLDs.
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on the topic of
>>> whether ICANN should approve additional protections for the names of
>>> international organizations at the first and second levels in the
>>> New gTLD Program.
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> Under the by-laws, ANNEX A: GNSO POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
>>>
>>> "
>>> Section 3. Requesting an Issue Report
>>>
>>> Board Request. The Board may request an Issue Report by instructing
>>> the GNSO Council ("Council") to begin the process outlined the PDP Manual.
>>> In the event the Board makes a request for an Issue Report, the
>>> Board should provide a mechanism by which the GNSO Council can
>>> consult with the Board to provide information on the scope, timing,
>>> and priority of the request for an Issue Report.
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> Section 5. Initiation of the PDP
>>>
>>> The Council may initiate the PDP as follows:
>>>
>>> Board Request: If the Board requested an Issue Report, the Council,
>>> within the timeframe set forth in thePDP Manual, shall initiate a PDP.
>>> No vote is required for such action.
>>> "
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 Dec 2012, at 03:20, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:
>>>
>>>> Must be my misunderstanding... I thought both the current whois PDP
>>>> and IOC RC NGO PDP were requested by the ICANN Board. Anne
>>>>
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ron Andruff [randruff@rnapartners.com<mailto:randruff@rnapartners.com>]
>>>> Received: Saturday, 08 Dec 2012, 3:06pm
>>>> To: 'Avri Doria' [avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>]; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>]
>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I support Avri's comments as well. The Board's role is to commit
>>>> policy that has been developed through the bottom up process into
>>>> rule by way of resolution. Although the history of the Board's
>>>> actions to date might prove otherwise, in an ever-maturing ICANN
>>>> environment we should expect the Board to conform to ICANN's basic
>>>> principles.
>>>>
>>>> I support the footnote amendment as proposed.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> RA
>>>>
>>>> Ronald N. Andruff
>>>> RNA Partners, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Avri
>>>> Doria
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:47 AM
>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think the question of what the Board would do if g-council ever
>>>> suspended a PDP that they mandated is an open question. I expect
>>>> they would either wait, question the postponement, or make one
>>>> their preemptory decisions.
>>>> Since the Board has never yet, to my knowledge, mandated a PDP -
>>>> though they can - I do not think it is a critical issue at this
>>>> point, and in any case think it is a separate issue from the
>>>> suspension mechanism. All other PDPs are g-council decsions, even
>>>> if the issues report is requested by one of the ACs.
>>>>
>>>> I am fine with the footnote. thanks.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 Dec 2012, at 18:26, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anne and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> this touches the question whether the board may overrule a council
>>>> decision on suspension because you're expressing an expectation
>>>> that the council should follow a related board request. I think
>>>> this could be the case depending on a council debate following the
>>>> board request but there is no obligation to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> With this understanding, an you agree to the footnote provided by
>>>> Julie?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] Im Auftrag von
>>>> Aikman-Scalese, Anne
>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Dezember 2012 18:43
>>>>> An: 'J. Scott Evans'; Julie Hedlund;
>>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> This makes sense. Is it clear to everyone that if the ICANN Board
>>>> says,
>>>> "Sorry, GNSO, we don't want you to suspend because we need an
>>>> answer
>>>> - go back to the drawing board," then that is what will happen?
>>>>>
>>>>> Deadlock is deadly for ICANN. If GNSO can't work effectively and
>>>>> the
>>>> Board has to act (pursuant to GAC Advice or otherwise), then Fadi's
>>>> "oasis"
>>>> announced in Dubai becomes more of a "quagmire" and pressure
>>>> increases to take control away from ICANN.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only raise this because it seems to me the question will come up
>>>>> at
>>>> the
>>>> GNSO level.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anne
>>>>>
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>>>>> From: J. Scott Evans [mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com>]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:20 AM
>>>>> To: Julie Hedlund; Aikman-Scalese, Anne;
>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> I can live with that and I don't think this require further public
>>>> comment
>>>> since it merely clarifies the suspension.
>>>>>
>>>>> jse
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>
>>>>> To: "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>;
>>>> "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Anne. Then, would you want "until further notice" to be
>>>> deleted?
>>>> If so, here's an amended text for all to review.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council. A mere change in milestones or
>>>> schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@LRLaw.com<mailto:AAikman@LRLaw.com>>
>>>>> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:32 PM
>>>>> To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>"
>>>> <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>,
>>>> Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>
>>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the relationship between "stated" and "until further notice"?
>>>> If
>>>> "stated" applies, then it seems that "until further notice" would
>>>> not apply.
>>>> Anne
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund [julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>]
>>>>> Received: Thursday, 06 Dec 2012, 2:15pm
>>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>]
>>>>> Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed
>>>> Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear SCI members,
>>>>>
>>>>> As we discussed on today's call, J. Scott has proposed a
>>>> clarification to
>>>> the footnote text for the PDP Manual, Section 15, on Suspending a PDP.
>>>> Please review the revised following text with the change in bold
>>>> all
>>>> caps:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change
>>>> in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> For reference, I have included the entire section below so that
>>>>> the
>>>> footnote may be viewed in context.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was suggested on the call that if this clarification is
>>>>> accepted
>>>> by the
>>>> SCI members it will not require a new public comment period.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Please send any comments by COB Monday, 10 December so that if
>>>>> the
>>>> SCI
>>>> decides to submit a motion it may do so by the deadline of
>>>> Wednesday,
>>>> 12
>>>> December.**
>>>>>
>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>>>>>
>>>>> 15. Termination of PDP prior to Final Report
>>>>>
>>>>> The GNSO Council may terminate or suspend[1] a PDP prior to the
>>>> publication of a Final Report only for significant cause, upon a
>>>> motion that passes with a Supermajority Vote in favour of
>>>> termination orsuspension.
>>>> The
>>>> following are illustrative examples of possible reasons for a
>>>> premature termination or suspension of a PDP:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Deadlock. The PDP Team is hopelessly deadlocked and unable to
>>>> identify recommendations or statements that have either the strong
>>>> support or a consensus of its members despite significant time and
>>>> resources being dedicated to the PDP;
>>>>> 2. Changing Circumstances. Events have occurred since the
>>>> initiation
>>>> of the PDP that have rendered the PDP moot, or no longer necessary;
>>>> or warranting a suspension; or
>>>>> 3. Lack of Community Volunteers. Despite several calls for
>>>> participation, the work of the PDP Team issignificantly impaired
>>>> and unable to effectively conclude its deliberations due to lack
>>>> of volunteer participation.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is no recommendation from the PDP Team for its
>>>>> termination,
>>>> the
>>>> Council is required to conduct a public comment forum first prior
>>>> to conducting a vote on the termination of the PDP (as described above).
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until furthernotice. A mere change in
>>>> milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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2:46 p.m.
New subject: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Anne,
I would like to provide a clarification with respect to your statement below:
"By the way, I should also mention that the version of the December 6 transcript that was posted right after that meeting contained a number of inaccuracies. For example, it credits Marika with saying that it is more important to get it right than it is to be concerned that this has been out for public comment. I doubt she wants to be credited with that statement. There were also inaccuracies in the transcript of what I said. To the extent that GNSO councilors may have viewed the written transcript to inform themselves on the issue, there could be some misunderstandings."
I would like to clarify that the notes I posted to the list after the meeting that included the statement attributed to Marike were not meant to be a "transcript" of the call. The transcript is captured along with the MP3 as a separate and more accurate mechanism. I was simply trying to provide some quick brief notes for reference. As such I provided these based on my best recollection during and after the call and I do think I asked for comments in case I mischaracterized anything. I will, however, in future refrain from taking such notes since they may be inaccurate (since I am not a professional transcriber), and instead the SCI can rely on the MP3 and the transcript for reference.
Best regards,
Julie
From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>
Date: Monday, December 17, 2012 7:10 AM
To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>>, Ron Andruff <randruff@rnapartners.com<mailto:randruff@rnapartners.com>>, "Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>" <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>>
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Mary and Marika, I think this discussion points out why more thought is needed in this process. To go back to the question I had raised, there is a basic problem of the Board being put in an unworkable position if it does not get answers from the GNSO. A statement of why the PDP is being suspended is not in fact the same as a summary of where the working group finds itself at the time of suspension, the different viewpoints that exist at that time, etc. I believe that there is a lot at stake if ICANN is unable to effectively address GAC advice in particular with timely policy input from the GNSO. There can be many possible reasons for suspension, but a written report of the status should be required at suspension or the GNSO may simply leave the Board (and sometimes the GAC) in limbo. If and when that happens, it provides support for the arguments of those who would vest more control in individual governments.
I am honestly beginning to think that the real "bandaid" in this scenario is a suspension provision that is codified in the PDP manual (part of GNSO Operating procedures) without adequate analysis of the consequences. Perhaps a perceived need to codify this should be part of the process that Marika has mentioned when the SCI looks at the entire PDP process in one year. Apparently suspension was not addressed in the PDP working group so maybe we should not be trying to do the job for them. Suspension is not merely a minor subset of termination which has no consequences on policy or organizational effectiveness.
In terms of consensus process, I have shared my concerns with IPC leadership over the past ten days and am awaiting their further direction. This is one reason that I say a "negative response" mechanism does not meet the full consensus process. There are also problems with this approach in terms of system downtime, travel, and time zones such as Mary is facing right now.
By the way, I should also mention that the version of the December 6 transcript that was posted right after that meeting contained a number of inaccuracies. For example, it credits Marika with saying that it is more important to get it right than it is to be concerned that this has been out for public comment. I doubt she wants to be credited with that statement. There were also inaccuracies in the transcript of what I said. To the extent that GNSO councilors may have viewed the written transcript to inform themselves on the issue, there could be some misunderstandings.
I am headed to the Prioritization Draw today and have some other deadlines. I will check back into this list tomorrow. Again, I am awaiting further direction from IPC leadership with respect to this matter.
Thank you,
Anne
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Thanks, Marika - perhaps using the term "interim status report" conveys more than I'd intended to suggest in supporting the concept. What I had in mind was simply a statement from the Council when voting to suspend a PDP, giving its reasons for so doing. The intention was to so notify the community - incuding the ICANN Board in cases of Board-directed PDPs - that such an action had been taken. As such, and instead of using the term "interim status report" we could just say "a statement of reasons" from the GNSO Council.
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Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Marika, I see the point of broader considerations but think the analogy to a bandaid on an unmanifested wound is very poor. It's actually a bit more like putting on a helmet before riding a bike. See you Monday at the brunch and maybe we can talk further! Anne
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All, it may be worth pointing out that for every PDP as well as non-PDP, there are regular status updates already provided. For example, the GNSO project list which is updated on a monthly basis (see http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/pending-projects-list.pdf). Also, each project has their own page on the GNSO web-site which is updated with every milestone activity (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active-groups.htm). In addition, each resolution that is adopted by the GNSO Council contains the rationale for that decision in the 'whereas' clauses (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/resolutions).
It should also be noted that an 'interim status report' is currently not defined in the PDP Manual (what would need to be in there, who is responsible for preparing it, would it need to be adopted by a vote of the GNSO Council?). Furthermore, in addition to the Board, ICANN Advisory Committees can also request Issue Reports, but they have not been considered in this conversation.
As a result, I would really like to encourage the SCI to review this issue in a broader context (if/when/how should PDP status updates be provided to entities other than the GNSO Council during the lifespan of a PDP, taking into account all the different communication tools already in place) as part of the overall review of the PDP, instead of applying a bandaid here to a wound that has not even manifested itself.
Best regards,
Marika
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Just a minor note that at this point we were not limiting the interim status report to any "Board-directed PDP". I think the simplest add would be to require an interim status report to the GNSO Council, e.g. "all activities (other than an interim status report to the Council) will halt." Then SCI could recommend that the interim status report be published to the entire community. Anne
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I support the concept of an interim report to be put out to the community by the GNSO Council upon its suspension of a PDP; however, I'd like to separate out our actual recommendation (which is to clarify what and when there is considered to be a suspension of a PDP) with our opinion as to either the GNSO Council's relationship with/reaction to Board-directed PDPs or as to appropriate action by the Council in voting for a suspension.
I'd therefore suggest a slight modification to our Option 3 - take the language/mention of an interim report out of the sentence containing our recommendation, and either add a new sentence following that, or create an additional, related recommendation, stating that "The SCI recommends that, in cases of suspension of a Board-directed PDP, the GNSO Council issues an interim report stating the reasons for such suspension to the community." Or something along those lines.
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>>> "Ron Andruff" 12/14/12 3:13 PM >>>
Dear all,
Recognizing that I am not yet installed as the Chair of the SCI until our next meeting this coming Thursday (Dec. 20th), yet being responsible for that meeting, (forgive me Wolf-Ulrich) I have two requests:
(1) It would be very helpful if all SCI members would look at where we are with the ?Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote? and add your thoughts. The most recent exchanges on that thread are noted below. It appears that we have found a way forward, but this needs to be confirmed by all members.
(2) I would also ask everyone to take a few minutes to complete the Survey that Julie sent around again today with her request that we all fill it out and note our experience and thoughts about amendments. She has asked for this to be done by Wednesday, Dec. 19th, so please do take a few minutes if you can spare them during this busy lead up to Christmas so that we can have a productive discussion.
Thank you all in advance for attending to these two outstanding items.
Kind regards,
RA
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Ron, I would certainly support that notion in the interest of accountability and transparency.
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Question for all re: an interim status report to the ICANN Board
If I understand Anne?s line of thinking, the concern is about how to deal specifically with Board requested PDPs that are suspended. However, option 3 sounds like we are recommending that the Board receive an interim report whether they have initiated the PDP or not. This is a significant change and would only add more to the Board?s already full plate, in my view.
That said, in circumstance where a suspension has been called for, I do see the merit of requesting that Council generate an interim report and post it to inform the entire community of the suspension and reason(s) for which it was suspended. That would be quite logical in the larger scheme of things.
Anne, please correct me if I am wrong.
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I would propose a third option:
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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Subject: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All,
from the list I did not understand a clear objection against sending the draft motion to the council with the option of withdrawing it if there can't be found SCI consensus. So I took this responsibility and did it to preserve this chance.
I'd like to encourage all of us to continue working at a solution re the footnote. 2 suggestions are at the table:
1. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
1.
Suspension is a STATEDtime interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council, subject to ICANN Board review in those cases where the Board has requested GNSO input. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
Please comment.
I wonder what how to proceed if there will be no consensus found at thew time being. On the one hand I've got the impression that a majority would be satisfied with suggestion #1 but also open to find a solution which doesn't cause the need for another public comment period.
In case of no consensus we could also - as we did with other items discussed at the SCI - report to the council where we are, that there has been a public comment period successfully finished, but there are still concerns which would prevent the SCI from consensus. The council may then decide how to deal with the (publicly commented) text.
I would be thankful hearing your assessment on and under which conditions consensus could still be achieved.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I do not believe that this "negative response" mechanism is in accordance with the full consensus process. I also believe I spoke against this at the last reading. Anne
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Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All,
per its charter, the SCI is expected to take decisions using a 'full consensus' process ("when no one in the group speaks against the recommendation in its last readings").
Obviously it would be ideal if all members support a certain position.
It would also be ideal if we find consensus today which is the deadline for motions before the next counciil meeting. But in order to reduce time pressure I could imagine the option to submit the draft motion today, noting that there are some issues that are still being discussed by the SCI which may result in withdrawal of the motion and agenda item if no agreement can be found.
If there is no objection I'll do so accordingly at the end of the day.
Thanks for this valuable discussion and for your understanding.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Alain,
One consideration is that if we add that language it is a substantive change from the original footnote text. The previous suggestion ? adding the word "stated" and deleting "until further notice" --- was deemed by the SCI to be a minor clarification and thus didn't require us to open a Public Comment Forum on new language. As discussed during last Thursday's meeting, any substantive change to the text that was presented in the public comment period that just ended on 03 December would require that the revised text go out for public comment again at a minimum of 21 days. Staff pointed out that with the holiday we would probably need a longer period, perhaps 30 days.
With best regards,
Julie
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From: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com<mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com>>
Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:41 PM
To: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>>
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Can we simply insert that: ... when judged necessary by the Council, the GNSO Chair can clarify with the Board any required change in scope, timing, and priority...
Alain
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
We all stick to find consensus. I didn't want to suppress any discussion, just bring it to the point.
First the wording must be accepted by all of us, then the procedure should be agreed.
Anne, do you have a suggestion for the wording which could incorporate the concern? Or do others have?
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Avri, thanks for sticking up for the process of consensus. I don't think we are unanimous.
Anne
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Hi,
Are we unanimous on this issue? I had the impression Anne was still concerned.
avri
On 11 Dec 2012, at 14:28, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
> Thanks Marika for clarification.
>
> I'll forward the motion (clear) attached with the revised footnote (redline) to the council list by tomorrows deadline for the 20 Dec council meeting.
>
>
> Best regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
>
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> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 10:52
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> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Anne, Staff typically provides the Board with status updates on issues
> that are of significant interest to the Board, but there are also
> examples of direct communication between the GNSO Council and the
> Board after the GNSO Council decided to terminate a PDP that had been
> initiated to provide input to the ICANN Board (see for example the Vertical Integration PDP:
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg09754.html).
> It is then up to the Board to decide how to proceed. For example, in
> the case of vertical integration, the Board made the following
> decision, absent GNSO Council recommendations:
> http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-09nov10-en.htm.
>
> With best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> On 10/12/12 19:19, "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>> wrote:
>
>> Many thanks, Marika - very helpful. Whether or not the Board calls
>> its questions a "Request for an Issue Report" that then results in
>> initiation of a PDP seems less important substantively than the
>> reference to continuing consultation with the Board as to "scope,
>> timing, and priority". This discussion illustrates why I think there
>> has to be some provision for communication with or involvement of the
>> Board in connection with a GNSO vote to suspend a PDP which is
>> commenced as a result of a Board request for "answers" or for an
>> Issue Report. A unilateral suspension by GNSO of a PDP (even on
>> Supermajority vote) where the PDP was initiated as a result of such a
>> Board request, is problematic if the Board needs to act. Is there a
>> provision for providing the Board with a full report as to the status
>> of the PDP and maybe summarizing the differing opinions expressed
>> where no consensus was reached in the event of termination or
>> suspension? We should not leave the Board in the position where it
>> has to say, "We cannot act because the GNSO has not acted and has not
>> answered our questions." This is particularly unsatisfactory where the GAC has asked the Board to address an issue.
>> Anne
>>
>>
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>> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Marika
>> Konings
>> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 4:05 AM
>> To: KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>; avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>
>> To clarify, there are currently two Board requested PDPs, one on the
>> RAA ('Resolved (2011.10.28.33), the Board also requests the creation
>> of an Issue Report to undertake a GNSO policy development process
>> (PDP) as quickly as possible to address remaining items suited for a
>> PDP) and the recently requested Issue Report on the purpose of Whois
>> ('hereby directs preparation of an Issue Report on the purpose of
>> collecting and maintaining gTLD registration data, and on solutions
>> to improve accuracy and access to gTLD registration data, as part of
>> a Board-initiated GNSO policy development process'). As pointed out
>> by Avri, for PDPs initiated by the ICANN Board, there is no
>> intermediate vote by the GNSO Council, the PDP automatically
>> proceeds. However, the ICANN Bylaws foresee that in the case of a
>> Board initiated PDP, 'the Board should provide a mechanism by which
>> the GNSO Council can consult with the Board to provide information
>> on the scope, timing, and priority of the request for an Issue
>> Report'. In addition to this mechanism, the ICANN Board and GNSO
>> Council meet at every ICANN meeting where there is another
>> opportunity to discuss and/or express concerns with regard to Board
>> requested PDPs. For example, in relation to the RAA PDP, as a result
>> of dialogue between the ICANN Board and GNSO Council it was agreed to
>> 'suspend' the PDP until the RAA negotiations were near completion so that it would be clear which topics would need to be included in the PDP.
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> Marika
>>
>> On 09/12/12 08:12, "KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>" <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Avri, very helpful for understanding.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] Im Auftrag von Avri
>>> Doria
>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Dezember 2012 05:39
>>> An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>> Betreff: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As I understand it, they have asked g-council for answers, but they
>>> have not actually used the by-laws mechanism of requesting a PDP.
>>> The g-council has used the PDP as a method of deciding on answers.
>>> These are still g-council initiated PDPs. Had the Board asked for
>>> the PDP, there never would have been a vote in g-council to initiate the PDP.
>>> Specifically:
>>>
>>> "
>>> March 212 20120314-1
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process (PDP) on 'thick'
>>> Whois
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on 'thick' Whois
>>> at its meeting on 22 September 2011
>>> (seehttp://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109<http://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109>);
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> "
>>> November 2012 20121017-2
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process on the
>>> Protection of Certain International Organization Names in all GTLDs.
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on the topic of
>>> whether ICANN should approve additional protections for the names of
>>> international organizations at the first and second levels in the
>>> New gTLD Program.
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> Under the by-laws, ANNEX A: GNSO POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
>>>
>>> "
>>> Section 3. Requesting an Issue Report
>>>
>>> Board Request. The Board may request an Issue Report by instructing
>>> the GNSO Council ("Council") to begin the process outlined the PDP Manual.
>>> In the event the Board makes a request for an Issue Report, the
>>> Board should provide a mechanism by which the GNSO Council can
>>> consult with the Board to provide information on the scope, timing,
>>> and priority of the request for an Issue Report.
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> Section 5. Initiation of the PDP
>>>
>>> The Council may initiate the PDP as follows:
>>>
>>> Board Request: If the Board requested an Issue Report, the Council,
>>> within the timeframe set forth in thePDP Manual, shall initiate a PDP.
>>> No vote is required for such action.
>>> "
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 Dec 2012, at 03:20, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:
>>>
>>>> Must be my misunderstanding... I thought both the current whois PDP
>>>> and IOC RC NGO PDP were requested by the ICANN Board. Anne
>>>>
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ron Andruff [randruff@rnapartners.com<mailto:randruff@rnapartners.com>]
>>>> Received: Saturday, 08 Dec 2012, 3:06pm
>>>> To: 'Avri Doria' [avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>]; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>]
>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I support Avri's comments as well. The Board's role is to commit
>>>> policy that has been developed through the bottom up process into
>>>> rule by way of resolution. Although the history of the Board's
>>>> actions to date might prove otherwise, in an ever-maturing ICANN
>>>> environment we should expect the Board to conform to ICANN's basic
>>>> principles.
>>>>
>>>> I support the footnote amendment as proposed.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> RA
>>>>
>>>> Ronald N. Andruff
>>>> RNA Partners, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Avri
>>>> Doria
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:47 AM
>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think the question of what the Board would do if g-council ever
>>>> suspended a PDP that they mandated is an open question. I expect
>>>> they would either wait, question the postponement, or make one
>>>> their preemptory decisions.
>>>> Since the Board has never yet, to my knowledge, mandated a PDP -
>>>> though they can - I do not think it is a critical issue at this
>>>> point, and in any case think it is a separate issue from the
>>>> suspension mechanism. All other PDPs are g-council decsions, even
>>>> if the issues report is requested by one of the ACs.
>>>>
>>>> I am fine with the footnote. thanks.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 Dec 2012, at 18:26, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anne and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> this touches the question whether the board may overrule a council
>>>> decision on suspension because you're expressing an expectation
>>>> that the council should follow a related board request. I think
>>>> this could be the case depending on a council debate following the
>>>> board request but there is no obligation to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> With this understanding, an you agree to the footnote provided by
>>>> Julie?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] Im Auftrag von
>>>> Aikman-Scalese, Anne
>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Dezember 2012 18:43
>>>>> An: 'J. Scott Evans'; Julie Hedlund;
>>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> This makes sense. Is it clear to everyone that if the ICANN Board
>>>> says,
>>>> "Sorry, GNSO, we don't want you to suspend because we need an
>>>> answer
>>>> - go back to the drawing board," then that is what will happen?
>>>>>
>>>>> Deadlock is deadly for ICANN. If GNSO can't work effectively and
>>>>> the
>>>> Board has to act (pursuant to GAC Advice or otherwise), then Fadi's
>>>> "oasis"
>>>> announced in Dubai becomes more of a "quagmire" and pressure
>>>> increases to take control away from ICANN.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only raise this because it seems to me the question will come up
>>>>> at
>>>> the
>>>> GNSO level.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anne
>>>>>
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>>>>> From: J. Scott Evans [mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com>]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:20 AM
>>>>> To: Julie Hedlund; Aikman-Scalese, Anne;
>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> I can live with that and I don't think this require further public
>>>> comment
>>>> since it merely clarifies the suspension.
>>>>>
>>>>> jse
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>
>>>>> To: "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>;
>>>> "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Anne. Then, would you want "until further notice" to be
>>>> deleted?
>>>> If so, here's an amended text for all to review.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council. A mere change in milestones or
>>>> schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@LRLaw.com<mailto:AAikman@LRLaw.com>>
>>>>> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:32 PM
>>>>> To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>"
>>>> <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>,
>>>> Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>
>>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the relationship between "stated" and "until further notice"?
>>>> If
>>>> "stated" applies, then it seems that "until further notice" would
>>>> not apply.
>>>> Anne
>>>>>
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund [julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>]
>>>>> Received: Thursday, 06 Dec 2012, 2:15pm
>>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>]
>>>>> Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed
>>>> Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear SCI members,
>>>>>
>>>>> As we discussed on today's call, J. Scott has proposed a
>>>> clarification to
>>>> the footnote text for the PDP Manual, Section 15, on Suspending a PDP.
>>>> Please review the revised following text with the change in bold
>>>> all
>>>> caps:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change
>>>> in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> For reference, I have included the entire section below so that
>>>>> the
>>>> footnote may be viewed in context.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was suggested on the call that if this clarification is
>>>>> accepted
>>>> by the
>>>> SCI members it will not require a new public comment period.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Please send any comments by COB Monday, 10 December so that if
>>>>> the
>>>> SCI
>>>> decides to submit a motion it may do so by the deadline of
>>>> Wednesday,
>>>> 12
>>>> December.**
>>>>>
>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>>>>>
>>>>> 15. Termination of PDP prior to Final Report
>>>>>
>>>>> The GNSO Council may terminate or suspend[1] a PDP prior to the
>>>> publication of a Final Report only for significant cause, upon a
>>>> motion that passes with a Supermajority Vote in favour of
>>>> termination orsuspension.
>>>> The
>>>> following are illustrative examples of possible reasons for a
>>>> premature termination or suspension of a PDP:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Deadlock. The PDP Team is hopelessly deadlocked and unable to
>>>> identify recommendations or statements that have either the strong
>>>> support or a consensus of its members despite significant time and
>>>> resources being dedicated to the PDP;
>>>>> 2. Changing Circumstances. Events have occurred since the
>>>> initiation
>>>> of the PDP that have rendered the PDP moot, or no longer necessary;
>>>> or warranting a suspension; or
>>>>> 3. Lack of Community Volunteers. Despite several calls for
>>>> participation, the work of the PDP Team issignificantly impaired
>>>> and unable to effectively conclude its deliberations due to lack
>>>> of volunteer participation.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is no recommendation from the PDP Team for its
>>>>> termination,
>>>> the
>>>> Council is required to conduct a public comment forum first prior
>>>> to conducting a vote on the termination of the PDP (as described above).
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until furthernotice. A mere change in
>>>> milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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2:52 p.m.
New subject: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Julie, what I read was posted at the gnso home page as a transcript of the call. That is why I mention the possible misunderstanding by a gnso counselor. Thanks for all your hard work. Anne
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-----Original Message-----
From: Julie Hedlund [julie.hedlund@icann.org]
Received: Monday, 17 Dec 2012, 7:46am
To: Aikman-Scalese, Anne [AAikman@lrlaw.com]
CC: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Anne,
I would like to provide a clarification with respect to your statement below:
"By the way, I should also mention that the version of the December 6 transcript that was posted right after that meeting contained a number of inaccuracies. For example, it credits Marika with saying that it is more important to get it right than it is to be concerned that this has been out for public comment. I doubt she wants to be credited with that statement. There were also inaccuracies in the transcript of what I said. To the extent that GNSO councilors may have viewed the written transcript to inform themselves on the issue, there could be some misunderstandings."
I would like to clarify that the notes I posted to the list after the meeting that included the statement attributed to Marike were not meant to be a "transcript" of the call. The transcript is captured along with the MP3 as a separate and more accurate mechanism. I was simply trying to provide some quick brief notes for reference. As such I provided these based on my best recollection during and after the call and I do think I asked for comments in case I mischaracterized anything. I will, however, in future refrain from taking such notes since they may be inaccurate (since I am not a professional transcriber), and instead the SCI can rely on the MP3 and the transcript for reference.
Best regards,
Julie
From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>
Date: Monday, December 17, 2012 7:10 AM
To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>>, Ron Andruff <randruff@rnapartners.com<mailto:randruff@rnapartners.com>>, "Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>" <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>>
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Mary and Marika, I think this discussion points out why more thought is needed in this process. To go back to the question I had raised, there is a basic problem of the Board being put in an unworkable position if it does not get answers from the GNSO. A statement of why the PDP is being suspended is not in fact the same as a summary of where the working group finds itself at the time of suspension, the different viewpoints that exist at that time, etc. I believe that there is a lot at stake if ICANN is unable to effectively address GAC advice in particular with timely policy input from the GNSO. There can be many possible reasons for suspension, but a written report of the status should be required at suspension or the GNSO may simply leave the Board (and sometimes the GAC) in limbo. If and when that happens, it provides support for the arguments of those who would vest more control in individual governments.
I am honestly beginning to think that the real "bandaid" in this scenario is a suspension provision that is codified in the PDP manual (part of GNSO Operating procedures) without adequate analysis of the consequences. Perhaps a perceived need to codify this should be part of the process that Marika has mentioned when the SCI looks at the entire PDP process in one year. Apparently suspension was not addressed in the PDP working group so maybe we should not be trying to do the job for them. Suspension is not merely a minor subset of termination which has no consequences on policy or organizational effectiveness.
In terms of consensus process, I have shared my concerns with IPC leadership over the past ten days and am awaiting their further direction. This is one reason that I say a "negative response" mechanism does not meet the full consensus process. There are also problems with this approach in terms of system downtime, travel, and time zones such as Mary is facing right now.
By the way, I should also mention that the version of the December 6 transcript that was posted right after that meeting contained a number of inaccuracies. For example, it credits Marika with saying that it is more important to get it right than it is to be concerned that this has been out for public comment. I doubt she wants to be credited with that statement. There were also inaccuracies in the transcript of what I said. To the extent that GNSO councilors may have viewed the written transcript to inform themselves on the issue, there could be some misunderstandings.
I am headed to the Prioritization Draw today and have some other deadlines. I will check back into this list tomorrow. Again, I am awaiting further direction from IPC leadership with respect to this matter.
Thank you,
Anne
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Thanks, Marika - perhaps using the term "interim status report" conveys more than I'd intended to suggest in supporting the concept. What I had in mind was simply a statement from the Council when voting to suspend a PDP, giving its reasons for so doing. The intention was to so notify the community - incuding the ICANN Board in cases of Board-directed PDPs - that such an action had been taken. As such, and instead of using the term "interim status report" we could just say "a statement of reasons" from the GNSO Council.
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Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Marika, I see the point of broader considerations but think the analogy to a bandaid on an unmanifested wound is very poor. It's actually a bit more like putting on a helmet before riding a bike. See you Monday at the brunch and maybe we can talk further! Anne
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All, it may be worth pointing out that for every PDP as well as non-PDP, there are regular status updates already provided. For example, the GNSO project list which is updated on a monthly basis (see http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/pending-projects-list.pdf). Also, each project has their own page on the GNSO web-site which is updated with every milestone activity (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active-groups.htm). In addition, each resolution that is adopted by the GNSO Council contains the rationale for that decision in the 'whereas' clauses (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/resolutions).
It should also be noted that an 'interim status report' is currently not defined in the PDP Manual (what would need to be in there, who is responsible for preparing it, would it need to be adopted by a vote of the GNSO Council?). Furthermore, in addition to the Board, ICANN Advisory Committees can also request Issue Reports, but they have not been considered in this conversation.
As a result, I would really like to encourage the SCI to review this issue in a broader context (if/when/how should PDP status updates be provided to entities other than the GNSO Council during the lifespan of a PDP, taking into account all the different communication tools already in place) as part of the overall review of the PDP, instead of applying a bandaid here to a wound that has not even manifested itself.
Best regards,
Marika
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Date: Saturday 15 December 2012 18:58
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Just a minor note that at this point we were not limiting the interim status report to any "Board-directed PDP". I think the simplest add would be to require an interim status report to the GNSO Council, e.g. "all activities (other than an interim status report to the Council) will halt." Then SCI could recommend that the interim status report be published to the entire community. Anne
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I support the concept of an interim report to be put out to the community by the GNSO Council upon its suspension of a PDP; however, I'd like to separate out our actual recommendation (which is to clarify what and when there is considered to be a suspension of a PDP) with our opinion as to either the GNSO Council's relationship with/reaction to Board-directed PDPs or as to appropriate action by the Council in voting for a suspension.
I'd therefore suggest a slight modification to our Option 3 - take the language/mention of an interim report out of the sentence containing our recommendation, and either add a new sentence following that, or create an additional, related recommendation, stating that "The SCI recommends that, in cases of suspension of a Board-directed PDP, the GNSO Council issues an interim report stating the reasons for such suspension to the community." Or something along those lines.
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Mary
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>>> "Ron Andruff" 12/14/12 3:13 PM >>>
Dear all,
Recognizing that I am not yet installed as the Chair of the SCI until our next meeting this coming Thursday (Dec. 20th), yet being responsible for that meeting, (forgive me Wolf-Ulrich) I have two requests:
(1) It would be very helpful if all SCI members would look at where we are with the ?Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote? and add your thoughts. The most recent exchanges on that thread are noted below. It appears that we have found a way forward, but this needs to be confirmed by all members.
(2) I would also ask everyone to take a few minutes to complete the Survey that Julie sent around again today with her request that we all fill it out and note our experience and thoughts about amendments. She has asked for this to be done by Wednesday, Dec. 19th, so please do take a few minutes if you can spare them during this busy lead up to Christmas so that we can have a productive discussion.
Thank you all in advance for attending to these two outstanding items.
Kind regards,
RA
Ronald N. Andruff
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Ron, I would certainly support that notion in the interest of accountability and transparency.
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Question for all re: an interim status report to the ICANN Board
If I understand Anne?s line of thinking, the concern is about how to deal specifically with Board requested PDPs that are suspended. However, option 3 sounds like we are recommending that the Board receive an interim report whether they have initiated the PDP or not. This is a significant change and would only add more to the Board?s already full plate, in my view.
That said, in circumstance where a suspension has been called for, I do see the merit of requesting that Council generate an interim report and post it to inform the entire community of the suspension and reason(s) for which it was suspended. That would be quite logical in the larger scheme of things.
Anne, please correct me if I am wrong.
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I would propose a third option:
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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Subject: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All,
from the list I did not understand a clear objection against sending the draft motion to the council with the option of withdrawing it if there can't be found SCI consensus. So I took this responsibility and did it to preserve this chance.
I'd like to encourage all of us to continue working at a solution re the footnote. 2 suggestions are at the table:
1. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
1.
Suspension is a STATEDtime interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council, subject to ICANN Board review in those cases where the Board has requested GNSO input. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
Please comment.
I wonder what how to proceed if there will be no consensus found at thew time being. On the one hand I've got the impression that a majority would be satisfied with suggestion #1 but also open to find a solution which doesn't cause the need for another public comment period.
In case of no consensus we could also - as we did with other items discussed at the SCI - report to the council where we are, that there has been a public comment period successfully finished, but there are still concerns which would prevent the SCI from consensus. The council may then decide how to deal with the (publicly commented) text.
I would be thankful hearing your assessment on and under which conditions consensus could still be achieved.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Dezember 2012 03:13
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Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I do not believe that this "negative response" mechanism is in accordance with the full consensus process. I also believe I spoke against this at the last reading. Anne
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Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All,
per its charter, the SCI is expected to take decisions using a 'full consensus' process ("when no one in the group speaks against the recommendation in its last readings").
Obviously it would be ideal if all members support a certain position.
It would also be ideal if we find consensus today which is the deadline for motions before the next counciil meeting. But in order to reduce time pressure I could imagine the option to submit the draft motion today, noting that there are some issues that are still being discussed by the SCI which may result in withdrawal of the motion and agenda item if no agreement can be found.
If there is no objection I'll do so accordingly at the end of the day.
Thanks for this valuable discussion and for your understanding.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Alain,
One consideration is that if we add that language it is a substantive change from the original footnote text. The previous suggestion ? adding the word "stated" and deleting "until further notice" --- was deemed by the SCI to be a minor clarification and thus didn't require us to open a Public Comment Forum on new language. As discussed during last Thursday's meeting, any substantive change to the text that was presented in the public comment period that just ended on 03 December would require that the revised text go out for public comment again at a minimum of 21 days. Staff pointed out that with the holiday we would probably need a longer period, perhaps 30 days.
With best regards,
Julie
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From: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com<mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com>>
Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:41 PM
To: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>>
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Can we simply insert that: ... when judged necessary by the Council, the GNSO Chair can clarify with the Board any required change in scope, timing, and priority...
Alain
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
We all stick to find consensus. I didn't want to suppress any discussion, just bring it to the point.
First the wording must be accepted by all of us, then the procedure should be agreed.
Anne, do you have a suggestion for the wording which could incorporate the concern? Or do others have?
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Avri, thanks for sticking up for the process of consensus. I don't think we are unanimous.
Anne
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Hi,
Are we unanimous on this issue? I had the impression Anne was still concerned.
avri
On 11 Dec 2012, at 14:28, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
> Thanks Marika for clarification.
>
> I'll forward the motion (clear) attached with the revised footnote (redline) to the council list by tomorrows deadline for the 20 Dec council meeting.
>
>
> Best regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
>
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> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 10:52
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> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Anne, Staff typically provides the Board with status updates on issues
> that are of significant interest to the Board, but there are also
> examples of direct communication between the GNSO Council and the
> Board after the GNSO Council decided to terminate a PDP that had been
> initiated to provide input to the ICANN Board (see for example the Vertical Integration PDP:
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg09754.html).
> It is then up to the Board to decide how to proceed. For example, in
> the case of vertical integration, the Board made the following
> decision, absent GNSO Council recommendations:
> http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-09nov10-en.htm.
>
> With best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> On 10/12/12 19:19, "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>> wrote:
>
>> Many thanks, Marika - very helpful. Whether or not the Board calls
>> its questions a "Request for an Issue Report" that then results in
>> initiation of a PDP seems less important substantively than the
>> reference to continuing consultation with the Board as to "scope,
>> timing, and priority". This discussion illustrates why I think there
>> has to be some provision for communication with or involvement of the
>> Board in connection with a GNSO vote to suspend a PDP which is
>> commenced as a result of a Board request for "answers" or for an
>> Issue Report. A unilateral suspension by GNSO of a PDP (even on
>> Supermajority vote) where the PDP was initiated as a result of such a
>> Board request, is problematic if the Board needs to act. Is there a
>> provision for providing the Board with a full report as to the status
>> of the PDP and maybe summarizing the differing opinions expressed
>> where no consensus was reached in the event of termination or
>> suspension? We should not leave the Board in the position where it
>> has to say, "We cannot act because the GNSO has not acted and has not
>> answered our questions." This is particularly unsatisfactory where the GAC has asked the Board to address an issue.
>> Anne
>>
>>
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>> Konings
>> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 4:05 AM
>> To: KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>; avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>
>> To clarify, there are currently two Board requested PDPs, one on the
>> RAA ('Resolved (2011.10.28.33), the Board also requests the creation
>> of an Issue Report to undertake a GNSO policy development process
>> (PDP) as quickly as possible to address remaining items suited for a
>> PDP) and the recently requested Issue Report on the purpose of Whois
>> ('hereby directs preparation of an Issue Report on the purpose of
>> collecting and maintaining gTLD registration data, and on solutions
>> to improve accuracy and access to gTLD registration data, as part of
>> a Board-initiated GNSO policy development process'). As pointed out
>> by Avri, for PDPs initiated by the ICANN Board, there is no
>> intermediate vote by the GNSO Council, the PDP automatically
>> proceeds. However, the ICANN Bylaws foresee that in the case of a
>> Board initiated PDP, 'the Board should provide a mechanism by which
>> the GNSO Council can consult with the Board to provide information
>> on the scope, timing, and priority of the request for an Issue
>> Report'. In addition to this mechanism, the ICANN Board and GNSO
>> Council meet at every ICANN meeting where there is another
>> opportunity to discuss and/or express concerns with regard to Board
>> requested PDPs. For example, in relation to the RAA PDP, as a result
>> of dialogue between the ICANN Board and GNSO Council it was agreed to
>> 'suspend' the PDP until the RAA negotiations were near completion so that it would be clear which topics would need to be included in the PDP.
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> Marika
>>
>> On 09/12/12 08:12, "KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>" <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Avri, very helpful for understanding.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] Im Auftrag von Avri
>>> Doria
>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Dezember 2012 05:39
>>> An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>> Betreff: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As I understand it, they have asked g-council for answers, but they
>>> have not actually used the by-laws mechanism of requesting a PDP.
>>> The g-council has used the PDP as a method of deciding on answers.
>>> These are still g-council initiated PDPs. Had the Board asked for
>>> the PDP, there never would have been a vote in g-council to initiate the PDP.
>>> Specifically:
>>>
>>> "
>>> March 212 20120314-1
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process (PDP) on 'thick'
>>> Whois
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on 'thick' Whois
>>> at its meeting on 22 September 2011
>>> (seehttp://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109<http://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109>);
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> "
>>> November 2012 20121017-2
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process on the
>>> Protection of Certain International Organization Names in all GTLDs.
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on the topic of
>>> whether ICANN should approve additional protections for the names of
>>> international organizations at the first and second levels in the
>>> New gTLD Program.
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> Under the by-laws, ANNEX A: GNSO POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
>>>
>>> "
>>> Section 3. Requesting an Issue Report
>>>
>>> Board Request. The Board may request an Issue Report by instructing
>>> the GNSO Council ("Council") to begin the process outlined the PDP Manual.
>>> In the event the Board makes a request for an Issue Report, the
>>> Board should provide a mechanism by which the GNSO Council can
>>> consult with the Board to provide information on the scope, timing,
>>> and priority of the request for an Issue Report.
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> Section 5. Initiation of the PDP
>>>
>>> The Council may initiate the PDP as follows:
>>>
>>> Board Request: If the Board requested an Issue Report, the Council,
>>> within the timeframe set forth in thePDP Manual, shall initiate a PDP.
>>> No vote is required for such action.
>>> "
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 Dec 2012, at 03:20, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:
>>>
>>>> Must be my misunderstanding... I thought both the current whois PDP
>>>> and IOC RC NGO PDP were requested by the ICANN Board. Anne
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ron Andruff [randruff@rnapartners.com<mailto:randruff@rnapartners.com>]
>>>> Received: Saturday, 08 Dec 2012, 3:06pm
>>>> To: 'Avri Doria' [avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>]; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>]
>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I support Avri's comments as well. The Board's role is to commit
>>>> policy that has been developed through the bottom up process into
>>>> rule by way of resolution. Although the history of the Board's
>>>> actions to date might prove otherwise, in an ever-maturing ICANN
>>>> environment we should expect the Board to conform to ICANN's basic
>>>> principles.
>>>>
>>>> I support the footnote amendment as proposed.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> RA
>>>>
>>>> Ronald N. Andruff
>>>> RNA Partners, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Avri
>>>> Doria
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:47 AM
>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think the question of what the Board would do if g-council ever
>>>> suspended a PDP that they mandated is an open question. I expect
>>>> they would either wait, question the postponement, or make one
>>>> their preemptory decisions.
>>>> Since the Board has never yet, to my knowledge, mandated a PDP -
>>>> though they can - I do not think it is a critical issue at this
>>>> point, and in any case think it is a separate issue from the
>>>> suspension mechanism. All other PDPs are g-council decsions, even
>>>> if the issues report is requested by one of the ACs.
>>>>
>>>> I am fine with the footnote. thanks.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 Dec 2012, at 18:26, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anne and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> this touches the question whether the board may overrule a council
>>>> decision on suspension because you're expressing an expectation
>>>> that the council should follow a related board request. I think
>>>> this could be the case depending on a council debate following the
>>>> board request but there is no obligation to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> With this understanding, an you agree to the footnote provided by
>>>> Julie?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] Im Auftrag von
>>>> Aikman-Scalese, Anne
>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Dezember 2012 18:43
>>>>> An: 'J. Scott Evans'; Julie Hedlund;
>>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> This makes sense. Is it clear to everyone that if the ICANN Board
>>>> says,
>>>> "Sorry, GNSO, we don't want you to suspend because we need an
>>>> answer
>>>> - go back to the drawing board," then that is what will happen?
>>>>>
>>>>> Deadlock is deadly for ICANN. If GNSO can't work effectively and
>>>>> the
>>>> Board has to act (pursuant to GAC Advice or otherwise), then Fadi's
>>>> "oasis"
>>>> announced in Dubai becomes more of a "quagmire" and pressure
>>>> increases to take control away from ICANN.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only raise this because it seems to me the question will come up
>>>>> at
>>>> the
>>>> GNSO level.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anne
>>>>>
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>>>>> From: J. Scott Evans [mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com>]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:20 AM
>>>>> To: Julie Hedlund; Aikman-Scalese, Anne;
>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> I can live with that and I don't think this require further public
>>>> comment
>>>> since it merely clarifies the suspension.
>>>>>
>>>>> jse
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>
>>>>> To: "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>;
>>>> "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Anne. Then, would you want "until further notice" to be
>>>> deleted?
>>>> If so, here's an amended text for all to review.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council. A mere change in milestones or
>>>> schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@LRLaw.com<mailto:AAikman@LRLaw.com>>
>>>>> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:32 PM
>>>>> To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>"
>>>> <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>,
>>>> Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>
>>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the relationship between "stated" and "until further notice"?
>>>> If
>>>> "stated" applies, then it seems that "until further notice" would
>>>> not apply.
>>>> Anne
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund [julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>]
>>>>> Received: Thursday, 06 Dec 2012, 2:15pm
>>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>]
>>>>> Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed
>>>> Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear SCI members,
>>>>>
>>>>> As we discussed on today's call, J. Scott has proposed a
>>>> clarification to
>>>> the footnote text for the PDP Manual, Section 15, on Suspending a PDP.
>>>> Please review the revised following text with the change in bold
>>>> all
>>>> caps:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change
>>>> in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> For reference, I have included the entire section below so that
>>>>> the
>>>> footnote may be viewed in context.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was suggested on the call that if this clarification is
>>>>> accepted
>>>> by the
>>>> SCI members it will not require a new public comment period.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Please send any comments by COB Monday, 10 December so that if
>>>>> the
>>>> SCI
>>>> decides to submit a motion it may do so by the deadline of
>>>> Wednesday,
>>>> 12
>>>> December.**
>>>>>
>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>>>>>
>>>>> 15. Termination of PDP prior to Final Report
>>>>>
>>>>> The GNSO Council may terminate or suspend[1] a PDP prior to the
>>>> publication of a Final Report only for significant cause, upon a
>>>> motion that passes with a Supermajority Vote in favour of
>>>> termination orsuspension.
>>>> The
>>>> following are illustrative examples of possible reasons for a
>>>> premature termination or suspension of a PDP:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Deadlock. The PDP Team is hopelessly deadlocked and unable to
>>>> identify recommendations or statements that have either the strong
>>>> support or a consensus of its members despite significant time and
>>>> resources being dedicated to the PDP;
>>>>> 2. Changing Circumstances. Events have occurred since the
>>>> initiation
>>>> of the PDP that have rendered the PDP moot, or no longer necessary;
>>>> or warranting a suspension; or
>>>>> 3. Lack of Community Volunteers. Despite several calls for
>>>> participation, the work of the PDP Team issignificantly impaired
>>>> and unable to effectively conclude its deliberations due to lack
>>>> of volunteer participation.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is no recommendation from the PDP Team for its
>>>>> termination,
>>>> the
>>>> Council is required to conduct a public comment forum first prior
>>>> to conducting a vote on the termination of the PDP (as described above).
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until furthernotice. A mere change in
>>>> milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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2:57 p.m.
New subject: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Anne,
I apologize if I misunderstood, but that was indeed also exactly what I captured so I thought you were referencing my notes.
In any case, we can review the MP3 and correct the transcript accordingly. We do want our transcripts to be as accurate as possible.
Also, I think your point is a good one. I am sometimes quick to post notes that I have not correlated with the transcript, but I need to be mindful that the archives of our email list also are public. So I need to be sure that I am being as accurate as possible too.
Thanks,
Julie
From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>
Date: Monday, December 17, 2012 9:52 AM
To: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>
Cc: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Julie, what I read was posted at the gnso home page as a transcript of the call. That is why I mention the possible misunderstanding by a gnso counselor. Thanks for all your hard work. Anne
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From: Julie Hedlund [julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>]
Received: Monday, 17 Dec 2012, 7:46am
To: Aikman-Scalese, Anne [AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>]
CC: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>]
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Anne,
I would like to provide a clarification with respect to your statement below:
"By the way, I should also mention that the version of the December 6 transcript that was posted right after that meeting contained a number of inaccuracies. For example, it credits Marika with saying that it is more important to get it right than it is to be concerned that this has been out for public comment. I doubt she wants to be credited with that statement. There were also inaccuracies in the transcript of what I said. To the extent that GNSO councilors may have viewed the written transcript to inform themselves on the issue, there could be some misunderstandings."
I would like to clarify that the notes I posted to the list after the meeting that included the statement attributed to Marike were not meant to be a "transcript" of the call. The transcript is captured along with the MP3 as a separate and more accurate mechanism. I was simply trying to provide some quick brief notes for reference. As such I provided these based on my best recollection during and after the call and I do think I asked for comments in case I mischaracterized anything. I will, however, in future refrain from taking such notes since they may be inaccurate (since I am not a professional transcriber), and instead the SCI can rely on the MP3 and the transcript for reference.
Best regards,
Julie
From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>
Date: Monday, December 17, 2012 7:10 AM
To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>>, Ron Andruff <randruff@rnapartners.com<mailto:randruff@rnapartners.com>>, "Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>" <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>>
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Mary and Marika, I think this discussion points out why more thought is needed in this process. To go back to the question I had raised, there is a basic problem of the Board being put in an unworkable position if it does not get answers from the GNSO. A statement of why the PDP is being suspended is not in fact the same as a summary of where the working group finds itself at the time of suspension, the different viewpoints that exist at that time, etc. I believe that there is a lot at stake if ICANN is unable to effectively address GAC advice in particular with timely policy input from the GNSO. There can be many possible reasons for suspension, but a written report of the status should be required at suspension or the GNSO may simply leave the Board (and sometimes the GAC) in limbo. If and when that happens, it provides support for the arguments of those who would vest more control in individual governments.
I am honestly beginning to think that the real "bandaid" in this scenario is a suspension provision that is codified in the PDP manual (part of GNSO Operating procedures) without adequate analysis of the consequences. Perhaps a perceived need to codify this should be part of the process that Marika has mentioned when the SCI looks at the entire PDP process in one year. Apparently suspension was not addressed in the PDP working group so maybe we should not be trying to do the job for them. Suspension is not merely a minor subset of termination which has no consequences on policy or organizational effectiveness.
In terms of consensus process, I have shared my concerns with IPC leadership over the past ten days and am awaiting their further direction. This is one reason that I say a "negative response" mechanism does not meet the full consensus process. There are also problems with this approach in terms of system downtime, travel, and time zones such as Mary is facing right now.
By the way, I should also mention that the version of the December 6 transcript that was posted right after that meeting contained a number of inaccuracies. For example, it credits Marika with saying that it is more important to get it right than it is to be concerned that this has been out for public comment. I doubt she wants to be credited with that statement. There were also inaccuracies in the transcript of what I said. To the extent that GNSO councilors may have viewed the written transcript to inform themselves on the issue, there could be some misunderstandings.
I am headed to the Prioritization Draw today and have some other deadlines. I will check back into this list tomorrow. Again, I am awaiting further direction from IPC leadership with respect to this matter.
Thank you,
Anne
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Thanks, Marika - perhaps using the term "interim status report" conveys more than I'd intended to suggest in supporting the concept. What I had in mind was simply a statement from the Council when voting to suspend a PDP, giving its reasons for so doing. The intention was to so notify the community - incuding the ICANN Board in cases of Board-directed PDPs - that such an action had been taken. As such, and instead of using the term "interim status report" we could just say "a statement of reasons" from the GNSO Council.
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Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Marika, I see the point of broader considerations but think the analogy to a bandaid on an unmanifested wound is very poor. It's actually a bit more like putting on a helmet before riding a bike. See you Monday at the brunch and maybe we can talk further! Anne
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All, it may be worth pointing out that for every PDP as well as non-PDP, there are regular status updates already provided. For example, the GNSO project list which is updated on a monthly basis (see http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/pending-projects-list.pdf). Also, each project has their own page on the GNSO web-site which is updated with every milestone activity (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active-groups.htm). In addition, each resolution that is adopted by the GNSO Council contains the rationale for that decision in the 'whereas' clauses (see http://gnso.icann.org/en/resolutions).
It should also be noted that an 'interim status report' is currently not defined in the PDP Manual (what would need to be in there, who is responsible for preparing it, would it need to be adopted by a vote of the GNSO Council?). Furthermore, in addition to the Board, ICANN Advisory Committees can also request Issue Reports, but they have not been considered in this conversation.
As a result, I would really like to encourage the SCI to review this issue in a broader context (if/when/how should PDP status updates be provided to entities other than the GNSO Council during the lifespan of a PDP, taking into account all the different communication tools already in place) as part of the overall review of the PDP, instead of applying a bandaid here to a wound that has not even manifested itself.
Best regards,
Marika
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Date: Saturday 15 December 2012 18:58
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Just a minor note that at this point we were not limiting the interim status report to any "Board-directed PDP". I think the simplest add would be to require an interim status report to the GNSO Council, e.g. "all activities (other than an interim status report to the Council) will halt." Then SCI could recommend that the interim status report be published to the entire community. Anne
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I support the concept of an interim report to be put out to the community by the GNSO Council upon its suspension of a PDP; however, I'd like to separate out our actual recommendation (which is to clarify what and when there is considered to be a suspension of a PDP) with our opinion as to either the GNSO Council's relationship with/reaction to Board-directed PDPs or as to appropriate action by the Council in voting for a suspension.
I'd therefore suggest a slight modification to our Option 3 - take the language/mention of an interim report out of the sentence containing our recommendation, and either add a new sentence following that, or create an additional, related recommendation, stating that "The SCI recommends that, in cases of suspension of a Board-directed PDP, the GNSO Council issues an interim report stating the reasons for such suspension to the community." Or something along those lines.
Cheers
Mary
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>>> "Ron Andruff" 12/14/12 3:13 PM >>>
Dear all,
Recognizing that I am not yet installed as the Chair of the SCI until our next meeting this coming Thursday (Dec. 20th), yet being responsible for that meeting, (forgive me Wolf-Ulrich) I have two requests:
(1) It would be very helpful if all SCI members would look at where we are with the ?Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote? and add your thoughts. The most recent exchanges on that thread are noted below. It appears that we have found a way forward, but this needs to be confirmed by all members.
(2) I would also ask everyone to take a few minutes to complete the Survey that Julie sent around again today with her request that we all fill it out and note our experience and thoughts about amendments. She has asked for this to be done by Wednesday, Dec. 19th, so please do take a few minutes if you can spare them during this busy lead up to Christmas so that we can have a productive discussion.
Thank you all in advance for attending to these two outstanding items.
Kind regards,
RA
Ronald N. Andruff
RNA Partners, Inc.
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Ron, I would certainly support that notion in the interest of accountability and transparency.
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Question for all re: an interim status report to the ICANN Board
If I understand Anne?s line of thinking, the concern is about how to deal specifically with Board requested PDPs that are suspended. However, option 3 sounds like we are recommending that the Board receive an interim report whether they have initiated the PDP or not. This is a significant change and would only add more to the Board?s already full plate, in my view.
That said, in circumstance where a suspension has been called for, I do see the merit of requesting that Council generate an interim report and post it to inform the entire community of the suspension and reason(s) for which it was suspended. That would be quite logical in the larger scheme of things.
Anne, please correct me if I am wrong.
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I would propose a third option:
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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Subject: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All,
from the list I did not understand a clear objection against sending the draft motion to the council with the option of withdrawing it if there can't be found SCI consensus. So I took this responsibility and did it to preserve this chance.
I'd like to encourage all of us to continue working at a solution re the footnote. 2 suggestions are at the table:
1. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
1.
Suspension is a STATEDtime interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council, subject to ICANN Board review in those cases where the Board has requested GNSO input. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
Please comment.
I wonder what how to proceed if there will be no consensus found at thew time being. On the one hand I've got the impression that a majority would be satisfied with suggestion #1 but also open to find a solution which doesn't cause the need for another public comment period.
In case of no consensus we could also - as we did with other items discussed at the SCI - report to the council where we are, that there has been a public comment period successfully finished, but there are still concerns which would prevent the SCI from consensus. The council may then decide how to deal with the (publicly commented) text.
I would be thankful hearing your assessment on and under which conditions consensus could still be achieved.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Dezember 2012 03:13
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Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
I do not believe that this "negative response" mechanism is in accordance with the full consensus process. I also believe I spoke against this at the last reading. Anne
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Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All,
per its charter, the SCI is expected to take decisions using a 'full consensus' process ("when no one in the group speaks against the recommendation in its last readings").
Obviously it would be ideal if all members support a certain position.
It would also be ideal if we find consensus today which is the deadline for motions before the next counciil meeting. But in order to reduce time pressure I could imagine the option to submit the draft motion today, noting that there are some issues that are still being discussed by the SCI which may result in withdrawal of the motion and agenda item if no agreement can be found.
If there is no objection I'll do so accordingly at the end of the day.
Thanks for this valuable discussion and for your understanding.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Alain,
One consideration is that if we add that language it is a substantive change from the original footnote text. The previous suggestion ? adding the word "stated" and deleting "until further notice" --- was deemed by the SCI to be a minor clarification and thus didn't require us to open a Public Comment Forum on new language. As discussed during last Thursday's meeting, any substantive change to the text that was presented in the public comment period that just ended on 03 December would require that the revised text go out for public comment again at a minimum of 21 days. Staff pointed out that with the holiday we would probably need a longer period, perhaps 30 days.
With best regards,
Julie
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From: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com<mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com>>
Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:41 PM
To: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>>
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Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Can we simply insert that: ... when judged necessary by the Council, the GNSO Chair can clarify with the Board any required change in scope, timing, and priority...
Alain
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
We all stick to find consensus. I didn't want to suppress any discussion, just bring it to the point.
First the wording must be accepted by all of us, then the procedure should be agreed.
Anne, do you have a suggestion for the wording which could incorporate the concern? Or do others have?
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Avri, thanks for sticking up for the process of consensus. I don't think we are unanimous.
Anne
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Hi,
Are we unanimous on this issue? I had the impression Anne was still concerned.
avri
On 11 Dec 2012, at 14:28, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
> Thanks Marika for clarification.
>
> I'll forward the motion (clear) attached with the revised footnote (redline) to the council list by tomorrows deadline for the 20 Dec council meeting.
>
>
> Best regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
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>
>
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> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 10:52
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> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Anne, Staff typically provides the Board with status updates on issues
> that are of significant interest to the Board, but there are also
> examples of direct communication between the GNSO Council and the
> Board after the GNSO Council decided to terminate a PDP that had been
> initiated to provide input to the ICANN Board (see for example the Vertical Integration PDP:
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg09754.html).
> It is then up to the Board to decide how to proceed. For example, in
> the case of vertical integration, the Board made the following
> decision, absent GNSO Council recommendations:
> http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-09nov10-en.htm.
>
> With best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> On 10/12/12 19:19, "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>> wrote:
>
>> Many thanks, Marika - very helpful. Whether or not the Board calls
>> its questions a "Request for an Issue Report" that then results in
>> initiation of a PDP seems less important substantively than the
>> reference to continuing consultation with the Board as to "scope,
>> timing, and priority". This discussion illustrates why I think there
>> has to be some provision for communication with or involvement of the
>> Board in connection with a GNSO vote to suspend a PDP which is
>> commenced as a result of a Board request for "answers" or for an
>> Issue Report. A unilateral suspension by GNSO of a PDP (even on
>> Supermajority vote) where the PDP was initiated as a result of such a
>> Board request, is problematic if the Board needs to act. Is there a
>> provision for providing the Board with a full report as to the status
>> of the PDP and maybe summarizing the differing opinions expressed
>> where no consensus was reached in the event of termination or
>> suspension? We should not leave the Board in the position where it
>> has to say, "We cannot act because the GNSO has not acted and has not
>> answered our questions." This is particularly unsatisfactory where the GAC has asked the Board to address an issue.
>> Anne
>>
>>
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>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>
>> To clarify, there are currently two Board requested PDPs, one on the
>> RAA ('Resolved (2011.10.28.33), the Board also requests the creation
>> of an Issue Report to undertake a GNSO policy development process
>> (PDP) as quickly as possible to address remaining items suited for a
>> PDP) and the recently requested Issue Report on the purpose of Whois
>> ('hereby directs preparation of an Issue Report on the purpose of
>> collecting and maintaining gTLD registration data, and on solutions
>> to improve accuracy and access to gTLD registration data, as part of
>> a Board-initiated GNSO policy development process'). As pointed out
>> by Avri, for PDPs initiated by the ICANN Board, there is no
>> intermediate vote by the GNSO Council, the PDP automatically
>> proceeds. However, the ICANN Bylaws foresee that in the case of a
>> Board initiated PDP, 'the Board should provide a mechanism by which
>> the GNSO Council can consult with the Board to provide information
>> on the scope, timing, and priority of the request for an Issue
>> Report'. In addition to this mechanism, the ICANN Board and GNSO
>> Council meet at every ICANN meeting where there is another
>> opportunity to discuss and/or express concerns with regard to Board
>> requested PDPs. For example, in relation to the RAA PDP, as a result
>> of dialogue between the ICANN Board and GNSO Council it was agreed to
>> 'suspend' the PDP until the RAA negotiations were near completion so that it would be clear which topics would need to be included in the PDP.
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> Marika
>>
>> On 09/12/12 08:12, "KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>" <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Avri, very helpful for understanding.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] Im Auftrag von Avri
>>> Doria
>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Dezember 2012 05:39
>>> An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>> Betreff: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As I understand it, they have asked g-council for answers, but they
>>> have not actually used the by-laws mechanism of requesting a PDP.
>>> The g-council has used the PDP as a method of deciding on answers.
>>> These are still g-council initiated PDPs. Had the Board asked for
>>> the PDP, there never would have been a vote in g-council to initiate the PDP.
>>> Specifically:
>>>
>>> "
>>> March 212 20120314-1
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process (PDP) on 'thick'
>>> Whois
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on 'thick' Whois
>>> at its meeting on 22 September 2011
>>> (seehttp://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109<http://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109>);
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> "
>>> November 2012 20121017-2
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process on the
>>> Protection of Certain International Organization Names in all GTLDs.
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on the topic of
>>> whether ICANN should approve additional protections for the names of
>>> international organizations at the first and second levels in the
>>> New gTLD Program.
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> Under the by-laws, ANNEX A: GNSO POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
>>>
>>> "
>>> Section 3. Requesting an Issue Report
>>>
>>> Board Request. The Board may request an Issue Report by instructing
>>> the GNSO Council ("Council") to begin the process outlined the PDP Manual.
>>> In the event the Board makes a request for an Issue Report, the
>>> Board should provide a mechanism by which the GNSO Council can
>>> consult with the Board to provide information on the scope, timing,
>>> and priority of the request for an Issue Report.
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> Section 5. Initiation of the PDP
>>>
>>> The Council may initiate the PDP as follows:
>>>
>>> Board Request: If the Board requested an Issue Report, the Council,
>>> within the timeframe set forth in thePDP Manual, shall initiate a PDP.
>>> No vote is required for such action.
>>> "
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 Dec 2012, at 03:20, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:
>>>
>>>> Must be my misunderstanding... I thought both the current whois PDP
>>>> and IOC RC NGO PDP were requested by the ICANN Board. Anne
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ron Andruff [randruff@rnapartners.com<mailto:randruff@rnapartners.com>]
>>>> Received: Saturday, 08 Dec 2012, 3:06pm
>>>> To: 'Avri Doria' [avri@acm.org<mailto:avri@acm.org>]; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>]
>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I support Avri's comments as well. The Board's role is to commit
>>>> policy that has been developed through the bottom up process into
>>>> rule by way of resolution. Although the history of the Board's
>>>> actions to date might prove otherwise, in an ever-maturing ICANN
>>>> environment we should expect the Board to conform to ICANN's basic
>>>> principles.
>>>>
>>>> I support the footnote amendment as proposed.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> RA
>>>>
>>>> Ronald N. Andruff
>>>> RNA Partners, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Avri
>>>> Doria
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:47 AM
>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think the question of what the Board would do if g-council ever
>>>> suspended a PDP that they mandated is an open question. I expect
>>>> they would either wait, question the postponement, or make one
>>>> their preemptory decisions.
>>>> Since the Board has never yet, to my knowledge, mandated a PDP -
>>>> though they can - I do not think it is a critical issue at this
>>>> point, and in any case think it is a separate issue from the
>>>> suspension mechanism. All other PDPs are g-council decsions, even
>>>> if the issues report is requested by one of the ACs.
>>>>
>>>> I am fine with the footnote. thanks.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 Dec 2012, at 18:26, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anne and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> this touches the question whether the board may overrule a council
>>>> decision on suspension because you're expressing an expectation
>>>> that the council should follow a related board request. I think
>>>> this could be the case depending on a council debate following the
>>>> board request but there is no obligation to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> With this understanding, an you agree to the footnote provided by
>>>> Julie?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>] Im Auftrag von
>>>> Aikman-Scalese, Anne
>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Dezember 2012 18:43
>>>>> An: 'J. Scott Evans'; Julie Hedlund;
>>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> This makes sense. Is it clear to everyone that if the ICANN Board
>>>> says,
>>>> "Sorry, GNSO, we don't want you to suspend because we need an
>>>> answer
>>>> - go back to the drawing board," then that is what will happen?
>>>>>
>>>>> Deadlock is deadly for ICANN. If GNSO can't work effectively and
>>>>> the
>>>> Board has to act (pursuant to GAC Advice or otherwise), then Fadi's
>>>> "oasis"
>>>> announced in Dubai becomes more of a "quagmire" and pressure
>>>> increases to take control away from ICANN.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only raise this because it seems to me the question will come up
>>>>> at
>>>> the
>>>> GNSO level.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anne
>>>>>
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>>>>> From: J. Scott Evans [mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com<mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com>]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:20 AM
>>>>> To: Julie Hedlund; Aikman-Scalese, Anne;
>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> I can live with that and I don't think this require further public
>>>> comment
>>>> since it merely clarifies the suspension.
>>>>>
>>>>> jse
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>
>>>>> To: "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com<mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>>;
>>>> "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Anne. Then, would you want "until further notice" to be
>>>> deleted?
>>>> If so, here's an amended text for all to review.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council. A mere change in milestones or
>>>> schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@LRLaw.com<mailto:AAikman@LRLaw.com>>
>>>>> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:32 PM
>>>>> To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>"
>>>> <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>>,
>>>> Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>
>>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the relationship between "stated" and "until further notice"?
>>>> If
>>>> "stated" applies, then it seems that "until further notice" would
>>>> not apply.
>>>> Anne
>>>>>
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund [julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>]
>>>>> Received: Thursday, 06 Dec 2012, 2:15pm
>>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>]
>>>>> Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed
>>>> Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear SCI members,
>>>>>
>>>>> As we discussed on today's call, J. Scott has proposed a
>>>> clarification to
>>>> the footnote text for the PDP Manual, Section 15, on Suspending a PDP.
>>>> Please review the revised following text with the change in bold
>>>> all
>>>> caps:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change
>>>> in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> For reference, I have included the entire section below so that
>>>>> the
>>>> footnote may be viewed in context.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was suggested on the call that if this clarification is
>>>>> accepted
>>>> by the
>>>> SCI members it will not require a new public comment period.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Please send any comments by COB Monday, 10 December so that if
>>>>> the
>>>> SCI
>>>> decides to submit a motion it may do so by the deadline of
>>>> Wednesday,
>>>> 12
>>>> December.**
>>>>>
>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>>>>>
>>>>> 15. Termination of PDP prior to Final Report
>>>>>
>>>>> The GNSO Council may terminate or suspend[1] a PDP prior to the
>>>> publication of a Final Report only for significant cause, upon a
>>>> motion that passes with a Supermajority Vote in favour of
>>>> termination orsuspension.
>>>> The
>>>> following are illustrative examples of possible reasons for a
>>>> premature termination or suspension of a PDP:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Deadlock. The PDP Team is hopelessly deadlocked and unable to
>>>> identify recommendations or statements that have either the strong
>>>> support or a consensus of its members despite significant time and
>>>> resources being dedicated to the PDP;
>>>>> 2. Changing Circumstances. Events have occurred since the
>>>> initiation
>>>> of the PDP that have rendered the PDP moot, or no longer necessary;
>>>> or warranting a suspension; or
>>>>> 3. Lack of Community Volunteers. Despite several calls for
>>>> participation, the work of the PDP Team issignificantly impaired
>>>> and unable to effectively conclude its deliberations due to lack
>>>> of volunteer participation.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is no recommendation from the PDP Team for its
>>>>> termination,
>>>> the
>>>> Council is required to conduct a public comment forum first prior
>>>> to conducting a vote on the termination of the PDP (as described above).
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until furthernotice. A mere change in
>>>> milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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5:48 p.m.
New subject: Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Thanks for your clarifications, Anne. I note that you are looking to IPC
leadership for input on this matter and hope that you will receive that by
Thursday for our call. That would be very helpful.
Kind regards,
RA
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_____
From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
[mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Aikman-Scalese,
Anne
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 7:11 AM
To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org; marika.konings@icann.org;
randruff@rnapartners.com; Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
Mary and Marika, I think this discussion points out why more thought is
needed in this process. To go back to the question I had raised, there is a
basic problem of the Board being put in an unworkable position if it does
not get answers from the GNSO. A statement of why the PDP is being suspended
is not in fact the same as a summary of where the working group finds itself
at the time of suspension, the different viewpoints that exist at that time,
etc. I believe that there is a lot at stake if ICANN is unable to
effectively address GAC advice in particular with timely policy input from
the GNSO. There can be many possible reasons for suspension, but a written
report of the status should be required at suspension or the GNSO may simply
leave the Board (and sometimes the GAC) in limbo. If and when that happens,
it provides support for the arguments of those who would vest more control
in individual governments.
I am honestly beginning to think that the real "bandaid" in this scenario is
a suspension provision that is codified in the PDP manual (part of GNSO
Operating procedures) without adequate analysis of the consequences. Perhaps
a perceived need to codify this should be part of the process that Marika
has mentioned when the SCI looks at the entire PDP process in one year.
Apparently suspension was not addressed in the PDP working group so maybe we
should not be trying to do the job for them. Suspension is not merely a
minor subset of termination which has no consequences on policy or
organizational effectiveness.
In terms of consensus process, I have shared my concerns with IPC leadership
over the past ten days and am awaiting their further direction. This is one
reason that I say a "negative response" mechanism does not meet the full
consensus process. There are also problems with this approach in terms of
system downtime, travel, and time zones such as Mary is facing right now.
By the way, I should also mention that the version of the December 6
transcript that was posted right after that meeting contained a number of
inaccuracies. For example, it credits Marika with saying that it is more
important to get it right than it is to be concerned that this has been out
for public comment. I doubt she wants to be credited with that statement.
There were also inaccuracies in the transcript of what I said. To the extent
that GNSO councilors may have viewed the written transcript to inform
themselves on the issue, there could be some misunderstandings.
I am headed to the Prioritization Draw today and have some other deadlines.
I will check back into this list tomorrow. Again, I am awaiting further
direction from IPC leadership with respect to this matter.
Thank you,
Anne
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu [Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu]
Received: Sunday, 16 Dec 2012, 8:23am
To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org];
marika.konings@icann.org [marika.konings@icann.org]; Aikman-Scalese, Anne
[AAikman@lrlaw.com]; randruff@rnapartners.com [randruff@rnapartners.com]
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
Thanks, Marika - perhaps using the term "interim status report" conveys more
than I'd intended to suggest in supporting the concept. What I had in mind
was simply a statement from the Council when voting to suspend a PDP, giving
its reasons for so doing. The intention was to so notify the community -
incuding the ICANN Board in cases of Board-directed PDPs - that such an
action had been taken. As such, and instead of using the term "interim
status report" we could just say "a statement of reasons" from the GNSO
Council.
Cheers
Mary
Mary W S Wong
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>>>
From:
"Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>
To:
"gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>,
"randruff@rnapartners.com" <randruff@rnapartners.com>,
"Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu" <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>, "marika.konings@icann.org"
<marika.konings@icann.org>
Date:
12/16/2012 8:29 AM
Subject:
Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
Marika, I see the point of broader considerations but think the analogy to a
bandaid on an unmanifested wound is very poor. It's actually a bit more like
putting on a helmet before riding a bike. See you Monday at the brunch and
maybe we can talk further! Anne
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-----Original Message-----
From: Marika Konings [marika.konings@icann.org]
Received: Sunday, 16 Dec 2012, 2:10am
To: Aikman-Scalese, Anne [AAikman@lrlaw.com];
gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org];
randruff@rnapartners.com [randruff@rnapartners.com]; Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu
[Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu]
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
All, it may be worth pointing out that for every PDP as well as non-PDP,
there are regular status updates already provided. For example, the GNSO
project list which is updated on a monthly basis (see
http://gnso.icann.org/meetings/pending-projects-list.pdf). Also, each
project has their own page on the GNSO web-site which is updated with every
milestone activity (see
http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active-groups.htm). In addition,
each resolution that is adopted by the GNSO Council contains the rationale
for that decision in the 'whereas' clauses (see
http://gnso.icann.org/en/resolutions).
It should also be noted that an 'interim status report' is currently not
defined in the PDP Manual (what would need to be in there, who is
responsible for preparing it, would it need to be adopted by a vote of the
GNSO Council?). Furthermore, in addition to the Board, ICANN Advisory
Committees can also request Issue Reports, but they have not been considered
in this conversation.
As a result, I would really like to encourage the SCI to review this issue
in a broader context (if/when/how should PDP status updates be provided to
entities other than the GNSO Council during the lifespan of a PDP, taking
into account all the different communication tools already in place) as part
of the overall review of the PDP, instead of applying a bandaid here to a
wound that has not even manifested itself.
Best regards,
Marika
From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@lrlaw.com>
Date: Saturday 15 December 2012 18:58
To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>,
"randruff@rnapartners.com" <randruff@rnapartners.com>,
"Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu" <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>
Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
Just a minor note that at this point we were not limiting the interim status
report to any "Board-directed PDP". I think the simplest add would be to
require an interim status report to the GNSO Council, e.g. "all activities
(other than an interim status report to the Council) will halt." Then SCI
could recommend that the interim status report be published to the entire
community. Anne
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
I support the concept of an interim report to be put out to the community by
the GNSO Council upon its suspension of a PDP; however, I'd like to separate
out our actual recommendation (which is to clarify what and when there is
considered to be a suspension of a PDP) with our opinion as to either the
GNSO Council's relationship with/reaction to Board-directed PDPs or as to
appropriate action by the Council in voting for a suspension.
I'd therefore suggest a slight modification to our Option 3 - take the
language/mention of an interim report out of the sentence containing our
recommendation, and either add a new sentence following that, or create an
additional, related recommendation, stating that "The SCI recommends that,
in cases of suspension of a Board-directed PDP, the GNSO Council issues an
interim report stating the reasons for such suspension to the community." Or
something along those lines.
Cheers
Mary
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>>> "Ron Andruff" 12/14/12 3:13 PM >>>
Dear all,
Recognizing that I am not yet installed as the Chair of the SCI until our
next meeting this coming Thursday (Dec. 20th), yet being responsible for
that meeting, (forgive me Wolf-Ulrich) I have two requests:
(1) It would be very helpful if all SCI members would look at where we are
with the ?Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote? and add your
thoughts. The most recent exchanges on that thread are noted below. It
appears that we have found a way forward, but this needs to be confirmed by
all members.
(2) I would also ask everyone to take a few minutes to complete the Survey
that Julie sent around again today with her request that we all fill it out
and note our experience and thoughts about amendments. She has asked for
this to be done by Wednesday, Dec. 19th, so please do take a few minutes if
you can spare them during this busy lead up to Christmas so that we can have
a productive discussion.
Thank you all in advance for attending to these two outstanding items.
Kind regards,
RA
Ronald N. Andruff
RNA Partners, Inc.
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
Ron, I would certainly support that notion in the interest of accountability
and transparency.
Anne E. Aikman-Scalese
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Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
Question for all re: an interim status report to the ICANN Board
If I understand Anne?s line of thinking, the concern is about how to deal
specifically with Board requested PDPs that are suspended. However, option
3 sounds like we are recommending that the Board receive an interim report
whether they have initiated the PDP or not. This is a significant change
and would only add more to the Board?s already full plate, in my view.
That said, in circumstance where a suspension has been called for, I do see
the merit of requesting that Council generate an interim report and post it
to inform the entire community of the suspension and reason(s) for which it
was suspended. That would be quite logical in the larger scheme of things.
Anne, please correct me if I am wrong.
Kind regards,
RA
Ronald N. Andruff
RNA Partners, Inc.
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To: 'KnobenW@telekom.de'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
I would propose a third option:
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary
cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status
report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council
until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is
not considered a suspension.
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Subject: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
All,
from the list I did not understand a clear objection against sending the
draft motion to the council with the option of withdrawing it if there can't
be found SCI consensus. So I took this responsibility and did it to preserve
this chance.
I'd like to encourage all of us to continue working at a solution re the
footnote. 2 suggestions are at the table:
1. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
temporary cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change in
milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
2.
Suspension is a STATEDtime interval during which there is a temporary
cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a decision of the
GNSO Council, subject to ICANN Board review in those cases where the Board
has requested GNSO input. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP
is not considered a suspension.
3. Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a temporary
cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities (other than an interim status
report to the ICANN Board) are halted upon a decision of the GNSO Council
until further notice. A mere change in milestones or schedule of the PDP is
not considered a suspension.
Please comment.
I wonder what how to proceed if there will be no consensus found at thew
time being. On the one hand I've got the impression that a majority would be
satisfied with suggestion #1 but also open to find a solution which doesn't
cause the need for another public comment period.
In case of no consensus we could also - as we did with other items discussed
at the SCI - report to the council where we are, that there has been a
public comment period successfully finished, but there are still concerns
which would prevent the SCI from consensus. The council may then decide how
to deal with the (publicly commented) text.
I would be thankful hearing your assessment on and under which conditions
consensus could still be achieved.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Von: Aikman-Scalese, Anne [ <mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com>
mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Dezember 2012 03:13
An: <mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich
Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised
Footnote
I do not believe that this "negative response" mechanism is in accordance
with the full consensus process. I also believe I spoke against this at the
last reading. Anne
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Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Suspending a PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
All,
per its charter, the SCI is expected to take decisions using a 'full
consensus' process ("when no one in the group speaks against the
recommendation in its last readings").
Obviously it would be ideal if all members support a certain position.
It would also be ideal if we find consensus today which is the deadline for
motions before the next counciil meeting. But in order to reduce time
pressure I could imagine the option to submit the draft motion today, noting
that there are some issues that are still being discussed by the SCI which
may result in withdrawal of the motion and agenda item if no agreement can
be found.
If there is no objection I'll do so accordingly at the end of the day.
Thanks for this valuable discussion and for your understanding.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>
To: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com>, "KnobenW@telekom.de"
<KnobenW@telekom.de>
Cc: "AAikman@lrlaw.com" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>, "avri@acm.org" <avri@acm.org>,
"gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed
Revised Footnote
Alain,
One consideration is that if we add that language it is a substantive change
from the original footnote text. The previous suggestion ? adding the word
"stated" and deleting "until further notice" --- was deemed by the SCI to be
a minor clarification and thus didn't require us to open a Public Comment
Forum on new language. As discussed during last Thursday's meeting, any
substantive change to the text that was presented in the public comment
period that just ended on 03 December would require that the revised text go
out for public comment again at a minimum of 21 days. Staff pointed out
that with the holiday we would probably need a longer period, perhaps 30
days.
With best regards,
Julie
Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
From: Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:41 PM
To: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben <KnobenW@telekom.de>
Cc: "AAikman@lrlaw.com" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>, "avri@acm.org" <avri@acm.org>,
"gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed
Revised Footnote
Can we simply insert that: ... when judged necessary by the Council, the
GNSO Chair can clarify with the Board any required change in scope, timing,
and priority...
Alain
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
We all stick to find consensus. I didn't want to suppress any discussion,
just bring it to the point.
First the wording must be accepted by all of us, then the procedure should
be agreed.
Anne, do you have a suggestion for the wording which could incorporate the
concern? Or do others have?
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 17:45
An: 'Avri Doria'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed
Revised Footnote
Avri, thanks for sticking up for the process of consensus. I don't think we
are unanimous.
Anne
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[mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:39 AM
To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a PDP--Proposed
Revised Footnote
Hi,
Are we unanimous on this issue? I had the impression Anne was still
concerned.
avri
On 11 Dec 2012, at 14:28, <KnobenW@telekom.de> <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
> Thanks Marika for clarification.
>
> I'll forward the motion (clear) attached with the revised footnote
(redline) to the council list by tomorrows deadline for the 20 Dec council
meeting.
>
>
> Best regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings@icann.org]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 10:52
> An: Aikman-Scalese, Anne; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; avri@acm.org;
> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
> Betreff: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>
> Anne, Staff typically provides the Board with status updates on issues
> that are of significant interest to the Board, but there are also
> examples of direct communication between the GNSO Council and the
> Board after the GNSO Council decided to terminate a PDP that had been
> initiated to provide input to the ICANN Board (see for example the
Vertical Integration PDP:
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg09754.html).
> It is then up to the Board to decide how to proceed. For example, in
> the case of vertical integration, the Board made the following
> decision, absent GNSO Council recommendations:
> http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-09nov10-en.htm.
>
> With best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> On 10/12/12 19:19, "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com> wrote:
>
>> Many thanks, Marika - very helpful. Whether or not the Board calls
>> its questions a "Request for an Issue Report" that then results in
>> initiation of a PDP seems less important substantively than the
>> reference to continuing consultation with the Board as to "scope,
>> timing, and priority". This discussion illustrates why I think there
>> has to be some provision for communication with or involvement of the
>> Board in connection with a GNSO vote to suspend a PDP which is
>> commenced as a result of a Board request for "answers" or for an
>> Issue Report. A unilateral suspension by GNSO of a PDP (even on
>> Supermajority vote) where the PDP was initiated as a result of such a
>> Board request, is problematic if the Board needs to act. Is there a
>> provision for providing the Board with a full report as to the status
>> of the PDP and maybe summarizing the differing opinions expressed
>> where no consensus was reached in the event of termination or
>> suspension? We should not leave the Board in the position where it
>> has to say, "We cannot act because the GNSO has not acted and has not
>> answered our questions." This is particularly unsatisfactory where the
GAC has asked the Board to address an issue.
>> Anne
>>
>>
>> Anne E. Aikman-Scalese
>> Of Counsel
>> Lewis and Roca LLP . Suite 700
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>> Konings
>> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 4:05 AM
>> To: KnobenW@telekom.de; avri@acm.org; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>> Subject: Re: AW: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>
>> To clarify, there are currently two Board requested PDPs, one on the
>> RAA ('Resolved (2011.10.28.33), the Board also requests the creation
>> of an Issue Report to undertake a GNSO policy development process
>> (PDP) as quickly as possible to address remaining items suited for a
>> PDP) and the recently requested Issue Report on the purpose of Whois
>> ('hereby directs preparation of an Issue Report on the purpose of
>> collecting and maintaining gTLD registration data, and on solutions
>> to improve accuracy and access to gTLD registration data, as part of
>> a Board-initiated GNSO policy development process'). As pointed out
>> by Avri, for PDPs initiated by the ICANN Board, there is no
>> intermediate vote by the GNSO Council, the PDP automatically
>> proceeds. However, the ICANN Bylaws foresee that in the case of a
>> Board initiated PDP, 'the Board should provide a mechanism by which
>> the GNSO Council can consult with the Board to provide information
>> on the scope, timing, and priority of the request for an Issue
>> Report'. In addition to this mechanism, the ICANN Board and GNSO
>> Council meet at every ICANN meeting where there is another
>> opportunity to discuss and/or express concerns with regard to Board
>> requested PDPs. For example, in relation to the RAA PDP, as a result
>> of dialogue between the ICANN Board and GNSO Council it was agreed to
>> 'suspend' the PDP until the RAA negotiations were near completion so that
it would be clear which topics would need to be included in the PDP.
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> Marika
>>
>> On 09/12/12 08:12, "KnobenW@telekom.de" <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Avri, very helpful for understanding.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Avri
>>> Doria
>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Dezember 2012 05:39
>>> An: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>> Betreff: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As I understand it, they have asked g-council for answers, but they
>>> have not actually used the by-laws mechanism of requesting a PDP.
>>> The g-council has used the PDP as a method of deciding on answers.
>>> These are still g-council initiated PDPs. Had the Board asked for
>>> the PDP, there never would have been a vote in g-council to initiate the
PDP.
>>> Specifically:
>>>
>>> "
>>> March 212 20120314-1
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process (PDP) on
'thick'
>>> Whois
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on 'thick' Whois
>>> at its meeting on 22 September 2011
>>> (seehttp://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201109);
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> "
>>> November 2012 20121017-2
>>> Motion on the Initiation of a Policy Development Process on the
>>> Protection of Certain International Organization Names in all GTLDs.
>>>
>>> Whereas the GNSO Council requested an Issue Report on the topic of
>>> whether ICANN should approve additional protections for the names of
>>> international organizations at the first and second levels in the
>>> New gTLD Program.
>>>
>>> ....
>>> "
>>>
>>> Under the by-laws, ANNEX A: GNSO POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
>>>
>>> "
>>> Section 3. Requesting an Issue Report
>>>
>>> Board Request. The Board may request an Issue Report by instructing
>>> the GNSO Council ("Council") to begin the process outlined the PDP
Manual.
>>> In the event the Board makes a request for an Issue Report, the
>>> Board should provide a mechanism by which the GNSO Council can
>>> consult with the Board to provide information on the scope, timing,
>>> and priority of the request for an Issue Report.
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> Section 5. Initiation of the PDP
>>>
>>> The Council may initiate the PDP as follows:
>>>
>>> Board Request: If the Board requested an Issue Report, the Council,
>>> within the timeframe set forth in thePDP Manual, shall initiate a PDP.
>>> No vote is required for such action.
>>> "
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 Dec 2012, at 03:20, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:
>>>
>>>> Must be my misunderstanding... I thought both the current whois PDP
>>>> and IOC RC NGO PDP were requested by the ICANN Board. Anne
>>>>
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ron Andruff [randruff@rnapartners.com]
>>>> Received: Saturday, 08 Dec 2012, 3:06pm
>>>> To: 'Avri Doria' [avri@acm.org]; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]
>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I support Avri's comments as well. The Board's role is to commit
>>>> policy that has been developed through the bottom up process into
>>>> rule by way of resolution. Although the history of the Board's
>>>> actions to date might prove otherwise, in an ever-maturing ICANN
>>>> environment we should expect the Board to conform to ICANN's basic
>>>> principles.
>>>>
>>>> I support the footnote amendment as proposed.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> RA
>>>>
>>>> Ronald N. Andruff
>>>> RNA Partners, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri
>>>> Doria
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:47 AM
>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think the question of what the Board would do if g-council ever
>>>> suspended a PDP that they mandated is an open question. I expect
>>>> they would either wait, question the postponement, or make one
>>>> their preemptory decisions.
>>>> Since the Board has never yet, to my knowledge, mandated a PDP -
>>>> though they can - I do not think it is a critical issue at this
>>>> point, and in any case think it is a separate issue from the
>>>> suspension mechanism. All other PDPs are g-council decsions, even
>>>> if the issues report is requested by one of the ACs.
>>>>
>>>> I am fine with the footnote. thanks.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 Dec 2012, at 18:26, <KnobenW@telekom.de> <KnobenW@telekom.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anne and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> this touches the question whether the board may overrule a council
>>>> decision on suspension because you're expressing an expectation
>>>> that the council should follow a related board request. I think
>>>> this could be the case depending on a council debate following the
>>>> board request but there is no obligation to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> With this understanding, an you agree to the footnote provided by
>>>> Julie?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Von: owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org] Im Auftrag von
>>>> Aikman-Scalese, Anne
>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Dezember 2012 18:43
>>>>> An: 'J. Scott Evans'; Julie Hedlund;
>>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>>> Betreff: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> This makes sense. Is it clear to everyone that if the ICANN Board
>>>> says,
>>>> "Sorry, GNSO, we don't want you to suspend because we need an
>>>> answer
>>>> - go back to the drawing board," then that is what will happen?
>>>>>
>>>>> Deadlock is deadly for ICANN. If GNSO can't work effectively and
>>>>> the
>>>> Board has to act (pursuant to GAC Advice or otherwise), then Fadi's
>>>> "oasis"
>>>> announced in Dubai becomes more of a "quagmire" and pressure
>>>> increases to take control away from ICANN.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only raise this because it seems to me the question will come up
>>>>> at
>>>> the
>>>> GNSO level.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anne
>>>>>
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>>>>> From: J. Scott Evans [mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:20 AM
>>>>> To: Julie Hedlund; Aikman-Scalese, Anne;
>>>> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> I can live with that and I don't think this require further public
>>>> comment
>>>> since it merely clarifies the suspension.
>>>>>
>>>>> jse
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>
>>>>> To: "Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman@lrlaw.com>;
>>>> "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:40 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Anne. Then, would you want "until further notice" to be
>>>> deleted?
>>>> If so, here's an amended text for all to review.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council. A mere change in milestones or
>>>> schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> From: <Aikman-Scalese>, Anne <AAikman@LRLaw.com>
>>>>> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:32 PM
>>>>> To: "gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org"
>>>> <gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org>,
>>>> Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>
>>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the relationship between "stated" and "until further notice"?
>>>> If
>>>> "stated" applies, then it seems that "until further notice" would
>>>> not apply.
>>>> Anne
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Julie Hedlund [julie.hedlund@icann.org]
>>>>> Received: Thursday, 06 Dec 2012, 2:15pm
>>>>> To: gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org
>>>>> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]
>>>>> Subject: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Suspending a
>>>> PDP--Proposed
>>>> Revised Footnote
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear SCI members,
>>>>>
>>>>> As we discussed on today's call, J. Scott has proposed a
>>>> clarification to
>>>> the footnote text for the PDP Manual, Section 15, on Suspending a PDP.
>>>> Please review the revised following text with the change in bold
>>>> all
>>>> caps:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until further notice. A mere change
>>>> in milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension."
>>>>>
>>>>> For reference, I have included the entire section below so that
>>>>> the
>>>> footnote may be viewed in context.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was suggested on the call that if this clarification is
>>>>> accepted
>>>> by the
>>>> SCI members it will not require a new public comment period.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Please send any comments by COB Monday, 10 December so that if
>>>>> the
>>>> SCI
>>>> decides to submit a motion it may do so by the deadline of
>>>> Wednesday,
>>>> 12
>>>> December.**
>>>>>
>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>>>>>
>>>>> 15. Termination of PDP prior to Final Report
>>>>>
>>>>> The GNSO Council may terminate or suspend[1] a PDP prior to the
>>>> publication of a Final Report only for significant cause, upon a
>>>> motion that passes with a Supermajority Vote in favour of
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>>>> identify recommendations or statements that have either the strong
>>>> support or a consensus of its members despite significant time and
>>>> resources being dedicated to the PDP;
>>>>> 2. Changing Circumstances. Events have occurred since the
>>>> initiation
>>>> of the PDP that have rendered the PDP moot, or no longer necessary;
>>>> or warranting a suspension; or
>>>>> 3. Lack of Community Volunteers. Despite several calls for
>>>> participation, the work of the PDP Team issignificantly impaired
>>>> and unable to effectively conclude its deliberations due to lack
>>>> of volunteer participation.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is no recommendation from the PDP Team for its
>>>>> termination,
>>>> the
>>>> Council is required to conduct a public comment forum first prior
>>>> to conducting a vote on the termination of the PDP (as described
above).
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] Suspension is a STATED time interval during which there is a
>>>> temporary
>>>> cessation of the PDP, i.e. all activities are halted upon a
>>>> decision of the GNSO Council until furthernotice. A mere change in
>>>> milestones or schedule of the PDP is not considered a suspension.
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Ron Andruff