Dear All, The next Inter-Registrar Transfer Policy (IRTP) Part D Working Group meeting is scheduled for next Monday 07 October 2013 at 1500 UTC. Please find the MP3 recording for the IRTP Part D Working Group call held on Monday 30 September 2013 at 15:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-irtp-d-20130930-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may>sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Volker Greimann – RrSG James Bladel - RrSG Kristine Dorrain – NAF Angie Graves – CBUC Chris Chaplow – CBUC Bartlett Morgan – NCUC Mikey O'Connor – ISPCP Barbara Knight – RySG Graeme Bunton - RrSG Avri Doria – NCSG Apologies: Bob Mountain - RrSG Holly Raiche – ALAC Paul Diaz - RySG ICANN staff: Lars Hoffmann Marika Konings Julia Charvolen ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-irtpd/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/B4JwAg Thank you. Kind regards, Julia Charvolen Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 30 September 2013: Lars Hoffmann:Welcome to the IRTP Part D PDP Working Group on Monday 30 September 2013 Bladel:Thanks for the Zoom control. :) Julia Charvolen:Avri DOria and Chris Chaplow joined the meeting Volker Greimann:I am now in the meeting# Chris Chaplow:It is a good issue description Bladel:Mine too. Bladel:Are we asking for Compliance Action, or are we establishing TDRP eligibility? Bladel:(call dropped, rejoining) Julia Charvolen:James is back on the call Bladel:Wow...now I know how to fence stolen goods in Germany! Kristine Dorrain:Wow..yeah, sell all stolen art in Germany. :) Chris Chaplow:Isnt SEDO a german company? Bladel:Lol. Kristine Dorrain:the TDRP has a six month expiration.... Avri Doria:auction become domain name laundering? Avri Doria:titles never hurt the auto secnd hand market, but they do create a new bureaucracy. Kristine Dorrain:Mikey, you're thinking of reverse domain name hijacking?? Volker Greimann:I just think that we need to make sure this policy cannot be abused Bladel:I was thinking along the same lines, but Volker said it better. Bladel:We aren't evil enough to put ourselves in the mindset of a hijacker. :) Bladel:BUt it's not free for them to do so... Avri Doria:Is "you can alwsays go to court" a good temrinal postion for us to count on in Policy? Volker Greimann:would we not be better advised to tell the registrant to rely on the courts Bladel:@Avri: I think so. Bladel:Otherwise there is no floor.... Avri Doria:Should our policies be complete. and yes there is court. but for us to assume it is the exit point, is a moveable line. Volker Greimann:I am just saying that arbitration may be good for certain issues, other issues should be relegated to the respective courts Kristine Dorrain:I agree volker Volker Greimann:especially where there is potential for abuse Volker Greimann:"just because you can, does not mean you should" Kristine Dorrain:I'm thinking this way....very low value domain, if the registrar can't fix the wrong, maybe the losing registrant says "that sucks", medium value, maybe they pay to try a TDRP or something, high value, maybe you skip the TDRP and go right to court... Not every avenue is right for every domain name. Kristine Dorrain:and I use the word "value" loosely....it's all relative Avri Doria:also court will get more complicated when we get to multiple jurisdictions - the scaling point we haven't thought of too much. Avri Doria:also in the reverse highjacking we are talking a big-guy highjacker , little guy registrant - court is even less of a slution based on cost than TDRP. Graeme Bunton:thanks mikey Bartlett Morgan:thanks Bladel:Thanks