Dear all, In light of the Group's discussion on TDRP we have been in touch with transfer dispute providers to provide us with data from the cases they receive. We will share this with the group as soon as we have received and collated the relevant information. In addition, we gathered some Registry-related TDRP data that might be useful to the discussion, too. I have attached a spreadsheet containing one sheet on the TDRP per TLD and a second sheet with an overview of the total number of TDRPs per month both data sets are for the period of October 2009 to March 2013. You might notice that the numbers for 'lost' and 'won' TDRP are exactly the same each month. As this is too much of a coincidence, we assume that these represent the same case (as one party lost it and another won it) - but maybe a working group member of the RySG might be able to clarify further. Assuming that our assumption is correct the breakdown per TLD shows that: of 227 total cases between October 2009 and March 2013 224 concerned .com (94.3%) 11 concerned .net (4.8%) 2 concerned .pro (0.9%) For those of you interested, the data for these tables were sourced from the monthly Registry Reports filed with ICANN, see http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registries/reports With best wishes from rainy Brussels, Lars
And just in case, you actually would like to see the promised spreadsheet Apologies, Lars From: Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> Date: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:59 AM To: "gnso-irtpd@icann.org" <gnso-irtpd@icann.org> Subject: TDRP stats Dear all, In light of the Group's discussion on TDRP we have been in touch with transfer dispute providers to provide us with data from the cases they receive. We will share this with the group as soon as we have received and collated the relevant information. In addition, we gathered some Registry-related TDRP data that might be useful to the discussion, too. I have attached a spreadsheet containing one sheet on the TDRP per TLD and a second sheet with an overview of the total number of TDRPs per month both data sets are for the period of October 2009 to March 2013. You might notice that the numbers for 'lost' and 'won' TDRP are exactly the same each month. As this is too much of a coincidence, we assume that these represent the same case (as one party lost it and another won it) - but maybe a working group member of the RySG might be able to clarify further. Assuming that our assumption is correct the breakdown per TLD shows that: of 227 total cases between October 2009 and March 2013 224 concerned .com (94.3%) 11 concerned .net (4.8%) 2 concerned .pro (0.9%) For those of you interested, the data for these tables were sourced from the monthly Registry Reports filed with ICANN, see http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registries/reports With best wishes from rainy Brussels, Lars
Lars, Thank you for sending along the spreadsheet. You are correct that the Transfers disputed won and the Transfers disputed lost numbers are the same because for each case, there is a "winning" registrar and a "losing registrar". Likewise, the number of Transfers disputed nodecision cases should actually be divided by 2 as these numbers also would have two registrars that were parties to the case and neither prevailed. Hope this helps to explain the numbers a bit. Thank you. Barbara Knight Director of Registry Compliance bknight@Verisign.com m: 703-622-1071 t: 703-948-3343 12061 Bluemont Way Reston, VA 20190 VerisignInc.com<http://www.verisigninc.com/> [Description: Verisign(tm)] From: owner-gnso-irtpd@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-irtpd@icann.org] On Behalf Of Lars Hoffmann Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:01 AM To: gnso-irtpd@icann.org Subject: [gnso-irtpd] FW: TDRP stats And just in case, you actually would like to see the promised spreadsheet ... Apologies, Lars From: Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org<mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org>> Date: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:59 AM To: "gnso-irtpd@icann.org<mailto:gnso-irtpd@icann.org>" <gnso-irtpd@icann.org<mailto:gnso-irtpd@icann.org>> Subject: TDRP stats Dear all, In light of the Group's discussion on TDRP we have been in touch with transfer dispute providers to provide us with data from the cases they receive. We will share this with the group as soon as we have received and collated the relevant information. In addition, we gathered some Registry-related TDRP data that might be useful to the discussion, too. I have attached a spreadsheet containing one sheet on the TDRP per TLD and a second sheet with an overview of the total number of TDRPs per month - both data sets are for the period of October 2009 to March 2013. You might notice that the numbers for 'lost' and 'won' TDRP are exactly the same each month. As this is too much of a coincidence, we assume that these represent the same case (as one party lost it and another won it) - but maybe a working group member of the RySG might be able to clarify further. Assuming that our assumption is correct the breakdown per TLD shows that: of 227 total cases between October 2009 and March 2013 224 concerned .com (94.3%) 11 concerned .net (4.8%) 2 concerned .pro (0.9%) For those of you interested, the data for these tables were sourced from the monthly Registry Reports filed with ICANN, see http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registries/reports With best wishes from rainy Brussels, Lars
Dear Barbara, Thank you for the quick reply and useful information. This means then that the total number of cases was 152 in the period between October 2009 and March 2013. Breaking down as follows: .com = 142 (93.4%) .net = 8 (5.3%) .pro = 2 (1.3%) Best wishes, Lars From: <Knight>, Barbara Knight <BKnight@verisign.com> Date: Friday, April 26, 2013 15:23 PM To: Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org>, "gnso-irtpd@icann.org" <gnso-irtpd@icann.org> Subject: RE: TDRP stats Lars, Thank you for sending along the spreadsheet. You are correct that the Transfers disputed won and the Transfers disputed lost numbers are the same because for each case, there is a ³winning² registrar and a ³losing registrar². Likewise, the number of Transfers disputed nodecision cases should actually be divided by 2 as these numbers also would have two registrars that were parties to the case and neither prevailed. Hope this helps to explain the numbers a bit. Thank you. Barbara Knight Director of Registry Compliance bknight@Verisign.com m: 703-622-1071 t: 703-948-3343 12061 Bluemont Way Reston, VA 20190 VerisignInc.com <http://www.verisigninc.com/> From: owner-gnso-irtpd@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-irtpd@icann.org] On Behalf Of Lars Hoffmann Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:01 AM To: gnso-irtpd@icann.org Subject: [gnso-irtpd] FW: TDRP stats And just in case, you actually would like to see the promised spreadsheet Apologies, Lars From: Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> Date: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:59 AM To: "gnso-irtpd@icann.org" <gnso-irtpd@icann.org> Subject: TDRP stats Dear all, In light of the Group's discussion on TDRP we have been in touch with transfer dispute providers to provide us with data from the cases they receive. We will share this with the group as soon as we have received and collated the relevant information. In addition, we gathered some Registry-related TDRP data that might be useful to the discussion, too. I have attached a spreadsheet containing one sheet on the TDRP per TLD and a second sheet with an overview of the total number of TDRPs per month both data sets are for the period of October 2009 to March 2013. You might notice that the numbers for 'lost' and 'won' TDRP are exactly the same each month. As this is too much of a coincidence, we assume that these represent the same case (as one party lost it and another won it) - but maybe a working group member of the RySG might be able to clarify further. Assuming that our assumption is correct the breakdown per TLD shows that: of 227 total cases between October 2009 and March 2013 224 concerned .com (94.3%) 11 concerned .net (4.8%) 2 concerned .pro (0.9%) For those of you interested, the data for these tables were sourced from the monthly Registry Reports filed with ICANN, see http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registries/reports With best wishes from rainy Brussels, Lars
Dear Lars, Given Barbara’s explanation that the resolution of each dispute always has a winner and loser, is it possible to get statistics on how many transfers were reversed after the TDRP versus how many transfers that were not reversed? ____________________________ Kevin R Erdman Reichel IP LLP 212 West 10th Street, Suite D-280 Indianapolis, IN 46202 voice 317.677.0689 fax 317.454.1349 skype kevimundo web www.reichelip.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lars Hoffmann Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:56 AM To: gnso-irtpd@icann.org Subject: [gnso-irtpd] Re: TDRP stats Dear Barbara, Thank you for the quick reply and useful information. This means then that the total number of cases was 152 in the period between October 2009 and March 2013. Breaking down as follows: .com = 142 (93.4%) .net = 8 (5.3%) .pro = 2 (1.3%) Best wishes, Lars From: <Knight>, Barbara Knight <BKnight@verisign.com> Date: Friday, April 26, 2013 15:23 PM To: Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org>, "gnso-irtpd@icann.org" <gnso-irtpd@icann.org> Subject: RE: TDRP stats Lars, Thank you for sending along the spreadsheet. You are correct that the Transfers disputed won and the Transfers disputed lost numbers are the same because for each case, there is a “winning” registrar and a “losing registrar”. Likewise, the number of Transfers disputed nodecision cases should actually be divided by 2 as these numbers also would have two registrars that were parties to the case and neither prevailed. Hope this helps to explain the numbers a bit. Thank you. Barbara Knight Director of Registry Compliance bknight@Verisign.com m: 703-622-1071 t: 703-948-3343 12061 Bluemont Way Reston, VA 20190 VerisignInc.com <!--[if !vml]--><!--[endif]--> From: owner-gnso-irtpd@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-irtpd@icann.org] On Behalf Of Lars Hoffmann Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:01 AM To: gnso-irtpd@icann.org Subject: [gnso-irtpd] FW: TDRP stats And just in case, you actually would like to see the promised spreadsheet … Apologies, Lars From: Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> Date: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:59 AM To: "gnso-irtpd@icann.org" <gnso-irtpd@icann.org> Subject: TDRP stats Dear all, In light of the Group's discussion on TDRP we have been in touch with transfer dispute providers to provide us with data from the cases they receive. We will share this with the group as soon as we have received and collated the relevant information. In addition, we gathered some Registry-related TDRP data that might be useful to the discussion, too. I have attached a spreadsheet containing one sheet on the TDRP per TLD and a second sheet with an overview of the total number of TDRPs per month – both data sets are for the period of October 2009 to March 2013. You might notice that the numbers for 'lost' and 'won' TDRP are exactly the same each month. As this is too much of a coincidence, we assume that these represent the same case (as one party lost it and another won it) - but maybe a working group member of the RySG might be able to clarify further. Assuming that our assumption is correct the breakdown per TLD shows that: of 227 total cases between October 2009 and March 2013 224 concerned .com (94.3%) 11 concerned .net (4.8%) 2 concerned .pro (0.9%) For those of you interested, the data for these tables were sourced from the monthly Registry Reports filed with ICANN, see http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registries/reports With best wishes from rainy Brussels, Lars
Kevin, That information is a bit more difficult to get to as a dispute may also be filed if the registrar of record denies a transfer request for a reason that is not listed in Section A(3) of the IRTP. I am checking to see if we have any reporting that would provide any insight into this. Barbara Knight Director of Registry Compliance bknight@Verisign.com m: 703-622-1071 t: 703-948-3343 12061 Bluemont Way Reston, VA 20190 VerisignInc.com<http://www.verisigninc.com/> [Description: Verisign™] From: owner-gnso-irtpd@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-irtpd@icann.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Erdman Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 12:10 PM To: Lars Hoffmann; gnso-irtpd@icann.org Subject: Re: [gnso-irtpd] Re: TDRP stats Dear Lars, Given Barbara’s explanation that the resolution of each dispute always has a winner and loser, is it possible to get statistics on how many transfers were reversed after the TDRP versus how many transfers that were not reversed? ____________________________ Kevin R Erdman Reichel IP LLP 212 West 10th Street, Suite D-280 Indianapolis, IN 46202 voice 317.677.0689 fax 317.454.1349 skype kevimundo web www.reichelip.com<http://www.reichelip.com> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lars Hoffmann<mailto:Lars.hoffmann@icann.org> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:56 AM To: gnso-irtpd@icann.org<mailto:gnso-irtpd@icann.org> Subject: [gnso-irtpd] Re: TDRP stats Dear Barbara, Thank you for the quick reply and useful information. This means then that the total number of cases was 152 in the period between October 2009 and March 2013. Breaking down as follows: .com = 142 (93.4%) .net = 8 (5.3%) .pro = 2 (1.3%) Best wishes, Lars From: <Knight>, Barbara Knight <BKnight@verisign.com<mailto:BKnight@verisign.com>> Date: Friday, April 26, 2013 15:23 PM To: Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org<mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org>>, "gnso-irtpd@icann.org<mailto:gnso-irtpd@icann.org>" <gnso-irtpd@icann.org<mailto:gnso-irtpd@icann.org>> Subject: RE: TDRP stats Lars, Thank you for sending along the spreadsheet. You are correct that the Transfers disputed won and the Transfers disputed lost numbers are the same because for each case, there is a “winning” registrar and a “losing registrar”. Likewise, the number of Transfers disputed nodecision cases should actually be divided by 2 as these numbers also would have two registrars that were parties to the case and neither prevailed. Hope this helps to explain the numbers a bit. Thank you. Barbara Knight Director of Registry Compliance bknight@Verisign.com<mailto:bknight@Verisign.com> m: 703-622-1071 t: 703-948-3343 12061 Bluemont Way Reston, VA 20190 VerisignInc.com<http://www.verisigninc.com/> <!--[if !vml]-->[Description: Verisign™]<!--[endif]--> From: owner-gnso-irtpd@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-irtpd@icann.org> [mailto:owner-gnso-irtpd@icann.org] On Behalf Of Lars Hoffmann Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:01 AM To: gnso-irtpd@icann.org<mailto:gnso-irtpd@icann.org> Subject: [gnso-irtpd] FW: TDRP stats And just in case, you actually would like to see the promised spreadsheet … Apologies, Lars From: Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org<mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org>> Date: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:59 AM To: "gnso-irtpd@icann.org<mailto:gnso-irtpd@icann.org>" <gnso-irtpd@icann.org<mailto:gnso-irtpd@icann.org>> Subject: TDRP stats Dear all, In light of the Group's discussion on TDRP we have been in touch with transfer dispute providers to provide us with data from the cases they receive. We will share this with the group as soon as we have received and collated the relevant information. In addition, we gathered some Registry-related TDRP data that might be useful to the discussion, too. I have attached a spreadsheet containing one sheet on the TDRP per TLD and a second sheet with an overview of the total number of TDRPs per month – both data sets are for the period of October 2009 to March 2013. You might notice that the numbers for 'lost' and 'won' TDRP are exactly the same each month. As this is too much of a coincidence, we assume that these represent the same case (as one party lost it and another won it) - but maybe a working group member of the RySG might be able to clarify further. Assuming that our assumption is correct the breakdown per TLD shows that: of 227 total cases between October 2009 and March 2013 224 concerned .com (94.3%) 11 concerned .net (4.8%) 2 concerned .pro (0.9%) For those of you interested, the data for these tables were sourced from the monthly Registry Reports filed with ICANN, see http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registries/reports With best wishes from rainy Brussels, Lars
To add some Provider data, the National Arbitration Forum has handled six TDRP cases. We were still keeping strictly paper files for all of these so the files are at Iron Mountain. The best I can do without requesting the boxes from storage is to extrapolate from notes made in our docketing system since TDRP decisions are not online. In five of the cases (for sure, possibly all six), the filing party prevailed. Three of the cases were definitely Appeals from a Registry decision. It's likely that five of them were, but I can't say with absolute certainty. The sixth decision may have been either a Request for Enforcement or an Appeal, I am not sure. We have had many questions and people trying to file TDRPs, but we have to tell them that only their Registrar can file. Talk to you all soon! Kristine Kristine Fordahl Dorrain Director of Internet and IP Services National Arbitration Forum (FORUM) Direct 952. 516. 6456 6465 Wayzata Blvd. Mobile 952. 836. 8613 Suite 470 Email kdorrain@adrforum.com<mailto:kdorrain@adrforum.com> Minneapolis, MN 55426 http://domains.adrforum.com This e-mail message and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or the person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and attachments. From: owner-gnso-irtpd@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-irtpd@icann.org] On Behalf Of Lars Hoffmann Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 3:01 AM To: gnso-irtpd@icann.org Subject: [gnso-irtpd] FW: TDRP stats And just in case, you actually would like to see the promised spreadsheet ... Apologies, Lars From: Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org<mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org>> Date: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:59 AM To: "gnso-irtpd@icann.org<mailto:gnso-irtpd@icann.org>" <gnso-irtpd@icann.org<mailto:gnso-irtpd@icann.org>> Subject: TDRP stats Dear all, In light of the Group's discussion on TDRP we have been in touch with transfer dispute providers to provide us with data from the cases they receive. We will share this with the group as soon as we have received and collated the relevant information. In addition, we gathered some Registry-related TDRP data that might be useful to the discussion, too. I have attached a spreadsheet containing one sheet on the TDRP per TLD and a second sheet with an overview of the total number of TDRPs per month - both data sets are for the period of October 2009 to March 2013. You might notice that the numbers for 'lost' and 'won' TDRP are exactly the same each month. As this is too much of a coincidence, we assume that these represent the same case (as one party lost it and another won it) - but maybe a working group member of the RySG might be able to clarify further. Assuming that our assumption is correct the breakdown per TLD shows that: of 227 total cases between October 2009 and March 2013 224 concerned .com (94.3%) 11 concerned .net (4.8%) 2 concerned .pro (0.9%) For those of you interested, the data for these tables were sourced from the monthly Registry Reports filed with ICANN, see http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registries/reports With best wishes from rainy Brussels, Lars
Dear all, Following up on Kristine's message, this is the corresponding information that we received from the ADNDRC. https://www.adndrc.org/tdrp/tdrphk_decisions.html. As you can see on the site, in two of the total four cases the appeal was denied, once ADNDRC had no jurisdiction and in one case the the domain name was returned to the filing registrar. In light of Charter question d ( Whether requirements or best practices should be put into place for registrars to make information on transfer dispute resolution options available to registrants) I have asked ADNDRC whether they also received requests by registrants and will get back to you as soon as I have received a reply. Best wishes, Lars From: <Dorrain>, Kristine <kdorrain@adrforum.com> Date: Monday, April 29, 2013 16:24 PM To: Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org>, "gnso-irtpd@icann.org" <gnso-irtpd@icann.org> Subject: RE: TDRP stats To add some Provider data, the National Arbitration Forum has handled six TDRP cases. We were still keeping strictly paper files for all of these so the files are at Iron Mountain. The best I can do without requesting the boxes from storage is to extrapolate from notes made in our docketing system since TDRP decisions are not online. In five of the cases (for sure, possibly all six), the filing party prevailed. Three of the cases were definitely Appeals from a Registry decision. It¹s likely that five of them were, but I can¹t say with absolute certainty. The sixth decision may have been either a Request for Enforcement or an Appeal, I am not sure. We have had many questions and people trying to file TDRPs, but we have to tell them that only their Registrar can file. Talk to you all soon! Kristine Kristine Fordahl Dorrain Director of Internet and IP Services National Arbitration Forum (FORUM)Direct 952. 516. 6456 6465 Wayzata Blvd.Mobile 952. 836. 8613 Suite 470Email kdorrain@adrforum.com Minneapolis, MN 55426http://domains.adrforum.com This e-mail message and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or the person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and attachments. From: owner-gnso-irtpd@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-irtpd@icann.org] On Behalf Of Lars Hoffmann Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 3:01 AM To: gnso-irtpd@icann.org Subject: [gnso-irtpd] FW: TDRP stats And just in case, you actually would like to see the promised spreadsheet Apologies, Lars From: Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> Date: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:59 AM To: "gnso-irtpd@icann.org" <gnso-irtpd@icann.org> Subject: TDRP stats Dear all, In light of the Group's discussion on TDRP we have been in touch with transfer dispute providers to provide us with data from the cases they receive. We will share this with the group as soon as we have received and collated the relevant information. In addition, we gathered some Registry-related TDRP data that might be useful to the discussion, too. I have attached a spreadsheet containing one sheet on the TDRP per TLD and a second sheet with an overview of the total number of TDRPs per month both data sets are for the period of October 2009 to March 2013. You might notice that the numbers for 'lost' and 'won' TDRP are exactly the same each month. As this is too much of a coincidence, we assume that these represent the same case (as one party lost it and another won it) - but maybe a working group member of the RySG might be able to clarify further. Assuming that our assumption is correct the breakdown per TLD shows that: of 227 total cases between October 2009 and March 2013 224 concerned .com (94.3%) 11 concerned .net (4.8%) 2 concerned .pro (0.9%) For those of you interested, the data for these tables were sourced from the monthly Registry Reports filed with ICANN, see http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registries/reports With best wishes from rainy Brussels, Lars
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