Hi David, I'm not sure I understand you correctly. Amr's email from Nov 06 indicated the NCSG's agreement to Heather's selection as VC from the NCPH - at least I did understand so. So I'm a little confused why a formal election should now take place. There is no need for the CSG to do so, I'm sure. Please shed some light on the process. Wolf-Ulrich -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: David Cake Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 7:21 PM To: Amr Elsadr Cc: gnso-ncph-leadership@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] URGENT re GNSO Council ChairElections/Vice Chair Selection Personally, speaking as a councillor, I'd like there to be at least some, however abbreviated, formal election for vice-chair. Ncsg councillors aren't bound, and I wouldn't want to presume how all will vote based on discussion. Speaking as acting co-chair etc, planning for the next meeting is already fairly advanced, and while I appreciate Greg's understanding of how busy IGF can be, I'm sure I can keep up with planning. I'd think having the changeover at the conclusion of that meeting would be a practical point. Though I'd be happy to keep Heather in the loop, so to speak. David Sent from my iPad
On 9 Nov 2015, at 12:53 PM, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr@egyptig.org> wrote:
Hi,
Agreed. I don’t see any reason why we need to delay seating Heather as the council VC for the NCPH. I know that there are members of the GNSO Secretariat subscribed to this list, but if needed, we should reach out to Glen for some direction on how to move forward as expeditiously as possible.
Thanks.
Amr
On Nov 6, 2015, at 7:57 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:
On a separate but related note, I am confident that we have consensus on placing Heather Forrest in the Vice Chair seat.
I would also like to congratulate Heather, and thank the NCSG for at least fulfilling that part of my slogan. :-) I think it's a good place for us as a House to be.
I also want to thank David for his (continuing) service, and for his poise and equanimity in riding the 48-hour rollercoaster he found himself on in Dublin.
A process question then, is when Heather should be seated as Vice Chair. There is an argument for doing it immediately, so that Heather can participate in the preparations for the next Council meeting and serve in that capacity at that meeting. I would also note that David will be attending IGF, in spite of the best efforts of the Brazilian Embassy in Canberra to thwart him, and thus will be somewhat stretched and stressed in the time prior to the next Council meeting. There's also an argument to be made for continuity, of course.
In my opinion, the balance of factors suggest that Heather should be seated sooner rather than later, and Glen should be informed that Heather will serve as Vice-Chair effective upon receipt of notification.
Thoughts?
Thanks!
Greg
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote: Acclamation may be procedurally and logistically awkward, and I am certainly not wedded to it. I think the general idea was to signal, if possible, that the Council and the community should not expect a replay of "None of the Above."
Nominating Bladel would have signaled that, but also would have signaled other things that some (if not all) of us did not want to signal.
A statement before the vote might have a similar (but more informal) effect.
I realize the NCSG, due to the "non-directed voting" rule, may have difficulty making any kind of statement before the vote, unless it was made by the NCSG Councilors. The CSG would have an easier time making such a statement (and might have more reason to do so, given the fallout in Dublin). We should consider whether any kind of (joint or several) statement(s) makes sense, or whether we should just let things move toward the vote. It may make sense to wait until after the GNSO Council meeting where James will speak once again with the Council. It may also make sense to see if our non-nomination is misconstrued, before making a statement (if any).
Greg
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> wrote: Congratulations Heather, and thank you so much for your graciousness and willingness to serve in this capacity. Stephanie Perrin
On 2015-11-06 4:57, Heather Forrest wrote: Dear Amr, all,
I appreciate faith you've put in me to occupy the Vice Chair's position and will serve to the very best of my ability.
Best wishes,
Heather
________________________________________ From: Amr Elsadr <aelsadr@egyptig.org> Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 20:11 To: Tony Holmes Cc: Heather Forrest; Greg Shatan; gnso-ncph-leadership@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] URGENT re GNSO Council Chair Elections/Vice Chair Selection
Hi Greg and all,
Apologies about not responding to this in time to meet the nomination deadline. Time zones difference. If there are no objections, we could still submit the short statement that Greg drafted. It seems pretty factual and straight forward. Thanks for drafting it Greg, but if you could change the signatory for the NCSG to “Tapani Tarvainen - Chair, NCSG”, I’d appreciate it.
Apart from the letter, we’ve been discussing our other outstanding issues within the NCSG over the past few days. If we have been a bit slow in responding, it’s most likely because folks are prepping and travelling to the IGF (not me though).
First, the NCSG is very much looking forward to Heather Forrest taking over as the next Council Vice Chair from the NCPH. Thanks for your willingness to serve, Heather. We can communicate this decision (assuming that we have consensus) to Glen, so that Heather can be formally recognised prior to the next council meeting on November 19th.
Regarding the Council Chair elections, a number of NCSG councillors have voiced support for James, however, some concern was raised regarding the suggestion of replacing a vote with an acclamation. Procedurally, I’m not sure how it would be pulled off, as a candidate needs 60% of the votes from each house to be elected. This may indicate that a vote is necessary. It may also go to reason that if the candidate has the unanimous support of the council members, then (s)he would undoubtedly have the required 60% of votes of each house. I’m still not clear on the procedural bit though.
Another issue we have with “acclamation” is that, as you all know by now, the NCSG does not direct the votes of its councillors. I’ve heard from the majority of our councillors, but not all of them. Those who have spoken up have declared support for James. However, in the event that even one of our councillors may wish to vote the other way, I believe it would be appropriate to allow for that possibility. @Greg: Sorry if that messed up the slogan. :)
Thanks.
Amr
On Nov 6, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Tony Holmes <tonyarholmes@btinternet.com> wrote:
+1
From: gnso-ncph-leadership-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ncph-leadership-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Heather Forrest Sent: 06 November 2015 00:11 To: Greg Shatan; Amr Elsadr Cc: gnso-ncph-leadership@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] URGENT re GNSO Council Chair Elections/Vice Chair Selection
Dear Greg,
I'm pleased to support your text and the concept of notifying Glen for courtesy. This approach communicates more than what the mere words state, and I agree with that message.
Best wishes,
Heather
From: gnso-ncph-leadership-bounces@icann.org <gnso-ncph-leadership-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 9:29 To: Amr Elsadr Cc: gnso-ncph-leadership@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-ncph-leadership] URGENT re GNSO Council Chair Elections/Vice Chair Selection
I think it would make sense for Marika to be sent formal notice that the NCPH has chosen not to nominate a candidate in this second round of elections. Otherwise, we run the risk that it looks like we forgot. Clearly that's the decision we've made, so we might as well look decisive, rather than forgetful.
There is no one person authorized to speak for the CSG (much less the NCPH). However, this needs to come from a member of one SG (email being what it is), but would look best signed by a representative of each SG.
I'm happy to send and sign on behalf of whoever is appropriate from the NCSG side. Or vice versa. Or it can come from any two appropriate people.
The text should be very simple. I propose (names are just placeholders):
The Non-Contracted Parties House has chosen not to to nominate a candidate for Chair of the GNSO Council.
Best Regards,
Greg Shatan President, IPC, for the Commercial Stakeholder Group Amr Elsadr Chair, NCSG Policy Committee, for the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote: Amr,
This is where I think the CSG stands (I'm sure I will be corrected by others on the list, if I get it wrong).
On the chair front, we have now had a conference call with James Bladel where we were able to speak at greater length with James. At this point, it seems unlikely (from the CSG point of view) that the NCPH would seek to nominate a candidate to oppose James (especially since CSG and NCSG haven't discussed the matter, and we are about 24 hours away from the deadline for nominations). Actually nominating James seems unlikely, at best. However, we have considered the possibility of suggesting that James be elected "by acclamation" rather than going to a ballot (if that is procedurally feasible).
On the Vice Chair front, I can confirm that Heather is more than willing to serve as Vice Chair, and the CSG fully supports Heather in that regard. Recognizing that we need to resolve the long-term issue of how to choose and/or rotate the VC slot between the SGs, it would be great if the CSG and NCSG could come together on Heather at this time.
Our possible campaign slogan: "Acclaim for James! Come Together on Heather!"
Greg
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr@egyptig.org> wrote: Hi,
Reposting as it seems we may have had some new subscriptions to this list over-night.
Thanks.
Amr
On Nov 2, 2015, at 7:27 PM, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr@egyptig.org> wrote:
Hi all,
I’m hoping that by now, everybody who needs to be on this list is actually subscribed to it.
I was wondering if (and how) folks would like to begin a discussion on the next round of elections. The deadline to nominate candidates is on November 5th. Although the CPH hasn’t submitted a candidate yet, my understanding is that they plan on running James Bladel again.
During the council development session, we had discussed the possibility of trying to have a candidate by consensus, and only resorting to voting as a last resort. I’m not sure we can do this over the next few days, but would be happy to learn that we can. Hearing from others here seems like a reasonable first step to me.
We may also want to discuss the selection of a VC from the NCPH. My understanding is that Heather Forrest is willing to serve in this capacity. I would be grateful to hear thoughts on this as well.
Thanks.
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