Dear DG Members, Please find the agenda for the upcoming DG call below. Regarding agenda item two, I encourage you all to review the documents that were circulated on Wednesday, 22 April. Proposed Agenda New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Monday 27 April at 14:00 UTC 1. Roll Call / Updates to SOIs 2. Review Draft Exec Summary / Matrix / Charter 3. Next Steps 4. Confirm next meeting Best, Steven Chan Sr. Policy Manager ICANN 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 steve.chan@icann.org <mailto:steve.chan@icann.org> direct: +1.310.301.3886 mobile: +1.310.339.4410 tel: +1.310.301.5800 fax: +1.310.823.8649
Hi, I was surprised that we did not actually
Review Draft Exec Summary / Matrix / Charter
But since some of the comment I rushed to get in in time for the meeting were not complete, I suppose I should be grateful. I want to reiterate my discomfort with the increasing tend, seen again in this group, of chairs taking control of the content and taking the pen in a relative opaque manner. In this case we have 2 people who I like and trust as people (a purely subjective statement), but none of whom have non-commercial, community applicant not user points of view (possibly an objective statement). I guess I will have to wait to see how it all works out. And hope. avri On 24-Apr-15 14:30, Steve Chan wrote:
Dear DG Members,
Please find the agenda for the upcoming DG call below. Regarding agenda item two, I encourage you all to review the documents that were circulated on Wednesday, 22 April.
*Proposed Agenda – New gTLD Subsequent Procedures – Monday 27 April at 14:00 UTC*
1. Roll Call / Updates to SOIs 2. Review Draft Exec Summary / Matrix / Charter 3. Next Steps 4. Confirm next meeting
Best,
*Steven Chan* Sr. Policy Manager
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Hi, I should have said 3 people who i like and trust ... but I keep forgetting about the third capo. avri On 27-Apr-15 10:32, Avri Doria wrote:
Hi,
I was surprised that we did not actually
Review Draft Exec Summary / Matrix / Charter
But since some of the comment I rushed to get in in time for the meeting were not complete, I suppose I should be grateful.
I want to reiterate my discomfort with the increasing tend, seen again in this group, of chairs taking control of the content and taking the pen in a relative opaque manner. In this case we have 2 people who I like and trust as people (a purely subjective statement), but none of whom have non-commercial, community applicant not user points of view (possibly an objective statement).
I guess I will have to wait to see how it all works out. And hope.
avri
On 24-Apr-15 14:30, Steve Chan wrote:
Dear DG Members,
Please find the agenda for the upcoming DG call below. Regarding agenda item two, I encourage you all to review the documents that were circulated on Wednesday, 22 April.
*Proposed Agenda – New gTLD Subsequent Procedures – Monday 27 April at 14:00 UTC*
1. Roll Call / Updates to SOIs 2. Review Draft Exec Summary / Matrix / Charter 3. Next Steps 4. Confirm next meeting
Best,
*Steven Chan* Sr. Policy Manager
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And I thought I was the one that was left out :) For the record, I and my employer, Valideus, do represent several non-commercial, community applicants/registries, but your point is well taken. We will try our best to do the document clean up, but of course will run everything by the group to make sure that we got it right (or not). We will also make sure that we turn around redlines so that you can see the changes. Best regards, Jeffrey J. Neuman Senior Vice President |Valideus USA | Com Laude USA 1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600 Mclean, VA 22102, United States E: jeff.neuman@valideus.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@valideus.com> or jeff.neuman@comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com> T: +1.703.635.7514 M: +1.202.549.5079 @Jintlaw From: gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 10:48 AM To: gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-dg] - Proposed Agenda Hi, I should have said 3 people who i like and trust ... but I keep forgetting about the third capo. avri On 27-Apr-15 10:32, Avri Doria wrote: Hi, I was surprised that we did not actually Review Draft Exec Summary / Matrix / Charter But since some of the comment I rushed to get in in time for the meeting were not complete, I suppose I should be grateful. I want to reiterate my discomfort with the increasing tend, seen again in this group, of chairs taking control of the content and taking the pen in a relative opaque manner. In this case we have 2 people who I like and trust as people (a purely subjective statement), but none of whom have non-commercial, community applicant not user points of view (possibly an objective statement). I guess I will have to wait to see how it all works out. And hope. avri On 24-Apr-15 14:30, Steve Chan wrote: Dear DG Members, Please find the agenda for the upcoming DG call below. Regarding agenda item two, I encourage you all to review the documents that were circulated on Wednesday, 22 April. Proposed Agenda - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures - Monday 27 April at 14:00 UTC 1. Roll Call / Updates to SOIs 2. Review Draft Exec Summary / Matrix / Charter 3. Next Steps 4. Confirm next meeting Best, Steven Chan Sr. Policy Manager ICANN 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 steve.chan@icann.org <mailto:steve.chan@icann.org> direct: +1.310.301.3886 mobile: +1.310.339.4410 tel: +1.310.301.5800 fax: +1.310.823.8649 _______________________________________________ Gnso-newgtld-dg mailing list Gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org<mailto:Gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-dg ________________________________ [Avast logo]<http://www.avast.com/> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com<http://www.avast.com/> _______________________________________________ Gnso-newgtld-dg mailing list Gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org<mailto:Gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-dg ________________________________ [Avast logo]<http://www.avast.com/> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com<http://www.avast.com/>
And I am the same as I pointed out to Avri in a separate message. Liz
On 27 Apr 2015, at 15:56, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com> wrote:
And I thought I was the one that was left out <>J
For the record, I and my employer, Valideus, do represent several non-commercial, community applicants/registries, but your point is well taken.
We will try our best to do the document clean up, but of course will run everything by the group to make sure that we got it right (or not). We will also make sure that we turn around redlines so that you can see the changes.
Best regards,
Jeffrey J. Neuman Senior Vice President |Valideus USA | Com Laude USA 1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600 Mclean, VA 22102, United States E: jeff.neuman@valideus.com <mailto:jeff.neuman@valideus.com> or jeff.neuman@comlaude.com <mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com> T: +1.703.635.7514 M: +1.202.549.5079 @Jintlaw
From: gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 10:48 AM To: gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-dg] - Proposed Agenda
Hi,
I should have said 3 people who i like and trust ... but I keep forgetting about the third capo.
avri
On 27-Apr-15 10:32, Avri Doria wrote: Hi,
I was surprised that we did not actually Review Draft Exec Summary / Matrix / Charter
But since some of the comment I rushed to get in in time for the meeting were not complete, I suppose I should be grateful.
I want to reiterate my discomfort with the increasing tend, seen again in this group, of chairs taking control of the content and taking the pen in a relative opaque manner. In this case we have 2 people who I like and trust as people (a purely subjective statement), but none of whom have non-commercial, community applicant not user points of view (possibly an objective statement).
I guess I will have to wait to see how it all works out. And hope.
avri
On 24-Apr-15 14:30, Steve Chan wrote: Dear DG Members,
Please find the agenda for the upcoming DG call below. Regarding agenda item two, I encourage you all to review the documents that were circulated on Wednesday, 22 April.
Proposed Agenda – New gTLD Subsequent Procedures – Monday 27 April at 14:00 UTC Roll Call / Updates to SOIs Review Draft Exec Summary / Matrix / Charter Next Steps Confirm next meeting Best,
Steven Chan Sr. Policy Manager
ICANN 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 steve.chan@icann.org <mailto:steve.chan@icann.org> direct: +1.310.301.3886 mobile: +1.310.339.4410 tel: +1.310.301.5800 fax: +1.310.823.8649
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Further to yesterday's discussion, here are some stats from: http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/statistics In terms of discussing whether to include a note the about low diversity of types of applications, this chart shows that it would be significantly *more unfair* to remove the point than to include it. *(Note I excluded 17 community applications that were brands e.g. .bugatti, with apologies to Bugatti owners.)* Whether the low diversity is appropriate or not is something we should discuss remaining neutral on, but the fact remains there were four options in the AGB: Community, Geographic, IDN and Standard and almost 90% were of one type. In other words, this was unequivocally not a diverse application round in terms of types of applications. [image: Inline images 1] Jacob Malthouse Co-founder & Director, Big Room Inc. 778-960-6527 www.bigroom.ca On 27 April 2015 at 08:11, Liz Williams <tldomainsolutions@gmail.com> wrote:
And I am the same as I pointed out to Avri in a separate message.
Liz
On 27 Apr 2015, at 15:56, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com> wrote:
And I thought I was the one that was left out J
For the record, I and my employer, Valideus, do represent several non-commercial, community applicants/registries, but your point is well taken.
We will try our best to do the document clean up, but of course will run everything by the group to make sure that we got it right (or not). We will also make sure that we turn around redlines so that you can see the changes.
Best regards,
*Jeffrey J. Neuman* *Senior Vice President *|*Valideus USA* | *Com Laude USA* 1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600 Mclean, VA 22102, United States E: jeff.neuman@valideus.com or jeff.neuman@comlaude.com T: +1.703.635.7514 M: +1.202.549.5079 @Jintlaw
*From:* gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org [ mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org <gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Avri Doria *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2015 10:48 AM *To:* gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-newgtld-dg] - Proposed Agenda
Hi,
I should have said 3 people who i like and trust ... but I keep forgetting about the third capo.
avri On 27-Apr-15 10:32, Avri Doria wrote:
Hi,
I was surprised that we did not actually
Review Draft Exec Summary / Matrix / Charter
But since some of the comment I rushed to get in in time for the meeting were not complete, I suppose I should be grateful.
I want to reiterate my discomfort with the increasing tend, seen again in this group, of chairs taking control of the content and taking the pen in a relative opaque manner. In this case we have 2 people who I like and trust as people (a purely subjective statement), but none of whom have non-commercial, community applicant not user points of view (possibly an objective statement).
I guess I will have to wait to see how it all works out. And hope.
avri
On 24-Apr-15 14:30, Steve Chan wrote:
Dear DG Members,
Please find the agenda for the upcoming DG call below. Regarding agenda item two, I encourage you all to review the documents that were circulated on Wednesday, 22 April.
*Proposed Agenda – New gTLD Subsequent Procedures – Monday 27 April at 14:00 UTC*
1. Roll Call / Updates to SOIs 2. Review Draft Exec Summary / Matrix / Charter 3. Next Steps 4. Confirm next meeting
Best,
*Steven Chan* Sr. Policy Manager
*ICANN*12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 steve.chan@icann.org
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Jacob, indeed this is a telling graph. It also demonstrates the short-sighted of the GNSO Council (I was a member at the time) in characterising potential TLDs into just four types. Philip _____ From: gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Jacob Malthouse Sent: 28 April 2015 18:40 To: Liz Williams Cc: gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-dg] - Proposed Agenda Further to yesterday's discussion, here are some stats from: http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/statistics In terms of discussing whether to include a note the about low diversity of types of applications, this chart shows that it would be significantly more unfair to remove the point than to include it. (Note I excluded 17 community applications that were brands e.g. .bugatti, with apologies to Bugatti owners.) Whether the low diversity is appropriate or not is something we should discuss remaining neutral on, but the fact remains there were four options in the AGB: Community, Geographic, IDN and Standard and almost 90% were of one type. In other words, this was unequivocally not a diverse application round in terms of types of applications. Inline images 1 Jacob Malthouse Co-founder & Director, Big Room Inc. 778-960-6527 www.bigroom.ca <http://www.bigroom.ca/> On 27 April 2015 at 08:11, Liz Williams <tldomainsolutions@gmail.com> wrote: And I am the same as I pointed out to Avri in a separate message. Liz On 27 Apr 2015, at 15:56, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com> wrote: And I thought I was the one that was left out J For the record, I and my employer, Valideus, do represent several non-commercial, community applicants/registries, but your point is well taken. We will try our best to do the document clean up, but of course will run everything by the group to make sure that we got it right (or not). We will also make sure that we turn around redlines so that you can see the changes. Best regards, Jeffrey J. Neuman Senior Vice President |Valideus USA | Com Laude USA 1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600 Mclean, VA 22102, United States E: <mailto:jeff.neuman@valideus.com> jeff.neuman@valideus.com or <mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com> jeff.neuman@comlaude.com T: +1.703.635.7514 <tel:%2B1.703.635.7514> M: +1.202.549.5079 <tel:%2B1.202.549.5079> @Jintlaw From: gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 10:48 AM To: gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-dg] - Proposed Agenda Hi, I should have said 3 people who i like and trust ... but I keep forgetting about the third capo. avri On 27-Apr-15 10:32, Avri Doria wrote: Hi, I was surprised that we did not actually Review Draft Exec Summary / Matrix / Charter But since some of the comment I rushed to get in in time for the meeting were not complete, I suppose I should be grateful. I want to reiterate my discomfort with the increasing tend, seen again in this group, of chairs taking control of the content and taking the pen in a relative opaque manner. In this case we have 2 people who I like and trust as people (a purely subjective statement), but none of whom have non-commercial, community applicant not user points of view (possibly an objective statement). I guess I will have to wait to see how it all works out. And hope. avri On 24-Apr-15 14:30, Steve Chan wrote: Dear DG Members, Please find the agenda for the upcoming DG call below. Regarding agenda item two, I encourage you all to review the documents that were circulated on Wednesday, 22 April. Proposed Agenda - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures - Monday 27 April at 14:00 UTC 1. Roll Call / Updates to SOIs 2. Review Draft Exec Summary / Matrix / Charter 3. Next Steps 4. Confirm next meeting Best, Steven Chan Sr. Policy Manager ICANN 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 steve.chan@icann.org direct: +1.310.301.3886 <tel:%2B1.310.301.3886> mobile: +1.310.339.4410 <tel:%2B1.310.339.4410> tel: +1.310.301.5800 <tel:%2B1.310.301.5800> fax: +1.310.823.8649 <tel:%2B1.310.823.8649> _______________________________________________ Gnso-newgtld-dg mailing list Gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-dg _____ <http://www.avast.com/> Avast logo This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com <http://www.avast.com/> _______________________________________________ Gnso-newgtld-dg mailing list Gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-dg _____ <http://www.avast.com/> Avast logo This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com <http://www.avast.com/> _______________________________________________ Gnso-newgtld-dg mailing list Gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-dg ... 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Thanks Philip, hindsight is a partial defence of the GNSO. The question it raises is not only one of diversity, but also how a programme that 'expects the unexpected' - or at least accommodates it - could be developed. Jacob Malthouse Co-founder & Director, Big Room Inc. 778-960-6527 www.bigroom.ca On 29 April 2015 at 00:56, BRG <philip@brandregistrygroup.org> wrote:
Jacob, indeed this is a telling graph. It also demonstrates the short-sighted of the GNSO Council (I was a member at the time) in characterising potential TLDs into just four types.
Philip
------------------------------ *From:* gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org [mailto: gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Jacob Malthouse *Sent:* 28 April 2015 18:40 *To:* Liz Williams *Cc:* gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org
*Subject:* Re: [Gnso-newgtld-dg] - Proposed Agenda
Further to yesterday's discussion, here are some stats from: http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/statistics
In terms of discussing whether to include a note the about low diversity of types of applications, this chart shows that it would be significantly *more unfair* to remove the point than to include it. *(Note I excluded 17 community applications that were brands e.g. .bugatti, with apologies to Bugatti owners.)*
Whether the low diversity is appropriate or not is something we should discuss remaining neutral on, but the fact remains there were four options in the AGB: Community, Geographic, IDN and Standard and almost 90% were of one type.
In other words, this was unequivocally not a diverse application round in terms of types of applications.
[image: Inline images 1]
Jacob Malthouse Co-founder & Director, Big Room Inc. 778-960-6527 www.bigroom.ca
On 27 April 2015 at 08:11, Liz Williams <tldomainsolutions@gmail.com> wrote:
And I am the same as I pointed out to Avri in a separate message.
Liz
On 27 Apr 2015, at 15:56, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com> wrote:
And I thought I was the one that was left out J
For the record, I and my employer, Valideus, do represent several non-commercial, community applicants/registries, but your point is well taken.
We will try our best to do the document clean up, but of course will run everything by the group to make sure that we got it right (or not). We will also make sure that we turn around redlines so that you can see the changes.
Best regards,
*Jeffrey J. Neuman* *Senior Vice President *|*Valideus USA* | *Com Laude USA* 1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600 Mclean, VA 22102, United States E: jeff.neuman@valideus.com or jeff.neuman@comlaude.com T: +1.703.635.7514 M: +1.202.549.5079 @Jintlaw
*From:* gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org [ mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org <gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Avri Doria *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2015 10:48 AM *To:* gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-newgtld-dg] - Proposed Agenda
Hi,
I should have said 3 people who i like and trust ... but I keep forgetting about the third capo.
avri On 27-Apr-15 10:32, Avri Doria wrote:
Hi,
I was surprised that we did not actually
Review Draft Exec Summary / Matrix / Charter
But since some of the comment I rushed to get in in time for the meeting were not complete, I suppose I should be grateful.
I want to reiterate my discomfort with the increasing tend, seen again in this group, of chairs taking control of the content and taking the pen in a relative opaque manner. In this case we have 2 people who I like and trust as people (a purely subjective statement), but none of whom have non-commercial, community applicant not user points of view (possibly an objective statement).
I guess I will have to wait to see how it all works out. And hope.
avri
On 24-Apr-15 14:30, Steve Chan wrote:
Dear DG Members,
Please find the agenda for the upcoming DG call below. Regarding agenda item two, I encourage you all to review the documents that were circulated on Wednesday, 22 April.
*Proposed Agenda – New gTLD Subsequent Procedures – Monday 27 April at 14:00 UTC*
1. Roll Call / Updates to SOIs 2. Review Draft Exec Summary / Matrix / Charter 3. Next Steps 4. Confirm next meeting
Best,
*Steven Chan* Sr. Policy Manager
*ICANN*12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 steve.chan@icann.org
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Hi, The GNSO council did not really do typing because at that time it was a bit more difficult to predict the types and especially to predict the specific needs of each type. Or so I thought. All types that we now have were added by the Staff and Board. The council talked about a special status and protection for communities but did not define it a type. The AGB did. It defined communities as probables gamers of the system and created a set of fees, penalties and hurdles for them. The Council said there would be no geographical types, the Board decided otherwise. The Council said all RPM would be voluntary, the Staff and Board decided otherwise Certainly, given the amount of data we have now, not only about types, but what is special about their application needs, focusing a good deal of effort on types and the various application requirements for those types would be a necessary thing before any other round were to be comtemplated. avri On 29-Apr-15 03:56, BRG wrote:
Jacob, indeed this is a telling graph. It also demonstrates the short-sighted of the GNSO Council (I was a member at the time) in characterising potential TLDs into just four types.
Philip
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Further to yesterday's discussion, here are some stats from: http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/statistics
In terms of discussing whether to include a note the about low diversity of types of applications, this chart shows that it would be significantly _more unfair_ to remove the point than to include it. /(Note I excluded 17 community applications that were brands e.g. .bugatti, with apologies to Bugatti owners.)/
Whether the low diversity is appropriate or not is something we should discuss remaining neutral on, but the fact remains there were four options in the AGB: Community, Geographic, IDN and Standard and almost 90% were of one type.
In other words, this was unequivocally not a diverse application round in terms of types of applications.
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On 27 April 2015 at 08:11, Liz Williams <tldomainsolutions@gmail.com <mailto:tldomainsolutions@gmail.com>> wrote:
And I am the same as I pointed out to Avri in a separate message.
Liz
On 27 Apr 2015, at 15:56, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com <mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>> wrote:
And I thought I was the one that was left out J
For the record, I and my employer, Valideus, do represent several non-commercial, community applicants/registries, but your point is well taken.
We will try our best to do the document clean up, but of course will run everything by the group to make sure that we got it right (or not). We will also make sure that we turn around redlines so that you can see the changes.
Best regards,
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Hi,
I should have said 3 people who i like and trust ... but I keep forgetting about the third capo.
avri
On 27-Apr-15 10:32, Avri Doria wrote:
Hi,
I was surprised that we did not actually
Review Draft Exec Summary / Matrix / Charter
But since some of the comment I rushed to get in in time for the meeting were not complete, I suppose I should be grateful.
I want to reiterate my discomfort with the increasing tend, seen again in this group, of chairs taking control of the content and taking the pen in a relative opaque manner. In this case we have 2 people who I like and trust as people (a purely subjective statement), but none of whom have non-commercial, community applicant not user points of view (possibly an objective statement).
I guess I will have to wait to see how it all works out. And hope.
avri
On 24-Apr-15 14:30, Steve Chan wrote:
Dear DG Members,
Please find the agenda for the upcoming DG call below. Regarding agenda item two, I encourage you all to review the documents that were circulated on Wednesday, 22 April.
*Proposed Agenda – New gTLD Subsequent Procedures – Monday 27 April at 14:00 UTC*
1. Roll Call / Updates to SOIs 2. Review Draft Exec Summary / Matrix / Charter 3. Next Steps 4. Confirm next meeting
Best,
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Resending as I believe my original message came through with no content. From: Donna Austin Sent: Thursday, 30 April 2015 12:43 PM To: 'Jacob Malthouse'; Liz Williams Cc: gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org Subject: RE: [Gnso-newgtld-dg] - Proposed Agenda Hi Jacob I accept that on face value, the applications for this round don’t appear to have a great deal of diversity, but there are other ways to look at diversity other than the type of application as categorised by the AGB. I assume ‘brands’ are included in the 88%; it doesn’t take into account regional diversity and while I admit that wasn’t terrific you’d have to say the applications from Asia Pacific and Europe were encouraging; we should also factor into the equation some of the innovative ways the TLDs are being used and the different business models being applied. So I think when we talk about diversity we should go deeper than the categories you’ve identified. Personally, I don’t think the vanilla nature of this round was necessarily a bad thing. Thanks, Donna [Description: Description: Description: ARI Logo]DONNA AUSTIN Policy and Industry Affairs Manager ARI REGISTRY SERVICES Melbourne | Los Angeles P +1 310 890 9655 P +61 3 9866 3710 E donna.austin@ariservices.com<mailto:donna.austin@ariservices.com> W www.ariservices.com<http://www.ariservices.com/> Follow us on Twitter<https://twitter.com/ARIservices> The information contained in this communication is intended for the named recipients only. It is subject to copyright and may contain legally privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient you must not use, copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this communication in error, please delete all copies from your system and notify us immediately. From: gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Jacob Malthouse Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2015 9:40 AM To: Liz Williams Cc: gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-dg] - Proposed Agenda Further to yesterday's discussion, here are some stats from: http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/statistics In terms of discussing whether to include a note the about low diversity of types of applications, this chart shows that it would be significantly more unfair to remove the point than to include it. (Note I excluded 17 community applications that were brands e.g. .bugatti, with apologies to Bugatti owners.) Whether the low diversity is appropriate or not is something we should discuss remaining neutral on, but the fact remains there were four options in the AGB: Community, Geographic, IDN and Standard and almost 90% were of one type. In other words, this was unequivocally not a diverse application round in terms of types of applications. [Inline images 1] Jacob Malthouse Co-founder & Director, Big Room Inc. 778-960-6527 www.bigroom.ca<http://www.bigroom.ca/> On 27 April 2015 at 08:11, Liz Williams <tldomainsolutions@gmail.com<mailto:tldomainsolutions@gmail.com>> wrote: And I am the same as I pointed out to Avri in a separate message. Liz On 27 Apr 2015, at 15:56, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>> wrote: And I thought I was the one that was left out ☺ For the record, I and my employer, Valideus, do represent several non-commercial, community applicants/registries, but your point is well taken. We will try our best to do the document clean up, but of course will run everything by the group to make sure that we got it right (or not). We will also make sure that we turn around redlines so that you can see the changes. Best regards, Jeffrey J. Neuman Senior Vice President |Valideus USA | Com Laude USA 1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600 Mclean, VA 22102, United States E: jeff.neuman@valideus.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@valideus.com> or jeff.neuman@comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com> T: +1.703.635.7514<tel:%2B1.703.635.7514> M: +1.202.549.5079<tel:%2B1.202.549.5079> @Jintlaw From: gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 10:48 AM To: gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-dg] - Proposed Agenda Hi, I should have said 3 people who i like and trust ... but I keep forgetting about the third capo. avri On 27-Apr-15 10:32, Avri Doria wrote: Hi, I was surprised that we did not actually Review Draft Exec Summary / Matrix / Charter But since some of the comment I rushed to get in in time for the meeting were not complete, I suppose I should be grateful. I want to reiterate my discomfort with the increasing tend, seen again in this group, of chairs taking control of the content and taking the pen in a relative opaque manner. In this case we have 2 people who I like and trust as people (a purely subjective statement), but none of whom have non-commercial, community applicant not user points of view (possibly an objective statement). I guess I will have to wait to see how it all works out. And hope. avri On 24-Apr-15 14:30, Steve Chan wrote: Dear DG Members, Please find the agenda for the upcoming DG call below. Regarding agenda item two, I encourage you all to review the documents that were circulated on Wednesday, 22 April. Proposed Agenda – New gTLD Subsequent Procedures – Monday 27 April at 14:00 UTC 1. Roll Call / Updates to SOIs 2. Review Draft Exec Summary / Matrix / Charter 3. Next Steps 4. 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Well we agree it was vanilla, and all I am asking for is that it be reflected in whatever documents this group puts out. The rest of your points probably bear discussion with the broader community, which is why we should put something about it not being diverse in. Best, J. On 30 April 2015 at 12:48, Donna Austin <Donna.Austin@ariservices.com> wrote:
Resending as I believe my original message came through with no content.
*From:* Donna Austin *Sent:* Thursday, 30 April 2015 12:43 PM *To:* 'Jacob Malthouse'; Liz Williams *Cc:* gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org *Subject:* RE: [Gnso-newgtld-dg] - Proposed Agenda
Hi Jacob
I accept that on face value, the applications for this round don’t appear to have a great deal of diversity, but there are other ways to look at diversity other than the type of application as categorised by the AGB. I assume ‘brands’ are included in the 88%; it doesn’t take into account regional diversity and while I admit that wasn’t terrific you’d have to say the applications from Asia Pacific and Europe were encouraging; we should also factor into the equation some of the innovative ways the TLDs are being used and the different business models being applied. So I think when we talk about diversity we should go deeper than the categories you’ve identified.
Personally, I don’t think the vanilla nature of this round was necessarily a bad thing.
Thanks,
Donna
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*From:* gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org [ mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org <gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Jacob Malthouse *Sent:* Tuesday, 28 April 2015 9:40 AM *To:* Liz Williams *Cc:* gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org
*Subject:* Re: [Gnso-newgtld-dg] - Proposed Agenda
Further to yesterday's discussion, here are some stats from: http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/statistics
In terms of discussing whether to include a note the about low diversity of types of applications, this chart shows that it would be significantly *more unfair* to remove the point than to include it. *(Note I excluded 17 community applications that were brands e.g. .bugatti, with apologies to Bugatti owners.)*
Whether the low diversity is appropriate or not is something we should discuss remaining neutral on, but the fact remains there were four options in the AGB: Community, Geographic, IDN and Standard and almost 90% were of one type.
In other words, this was unequivocally not a diverse application round in terms of types of applications.
[image: Inline images 1]
Jacob Malthouse
Co-founder & Director, Big Room Inc.
778-960-6527
www.bigroom.ca
On 27 April 2015 at 08:11, Liz Williams <tldomainsolutions@gmail.com> wrote:
And I am the same as I pointed out to Avri in a separate message.
Liz
On 27 Apr 2015, at 15:56, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com> wrote:
And I thought I was the one that was left out J
For the record, I and my employer, Valideus, do represent several non-commercial, community applicants/registries, but your point is well taken.
We will try our best to do the document clean up, but of course will run everything by the group to make sure that we got it right (or not). We will also make sure that we turn around redlines so that you can see the changes.
Best regards,
*Jeffrey J. Neuman*
*Senior Vice President *|*Valideus USA* | *Com Laude USA*
1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600
Mclean, VA 22102, United States
E: jeff.neuman@valideus.com or jeff.neuman@comlaude.com
T: +1.703.635.7514
M: +1.202.549.5079
@Jintlaw
*From:* gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org [ mailto:gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org <gnso-newgtld-dg-bounces@icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Avri Doria *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2015 10:48 AM *To:* gnso-newgtld-dg@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-newgtld-dg] - Proposed Agenda
Hi,
I should have said 3 people who i like and trust ... but I keep forgetting about the third capo.
avri
On 27-Apr-15 10:32, Avri Doria wrote:
Hi,
I was surprised that we did not actually
Review Draft Exec Summary / Matrix / Charter
But since some of the comment I rushed to get in in time for the meeting were not complete, I suppose I should be grateful.
I want to reiterate my discomfort with the increasing tend, seen again in this group, of chairs taking control of the content and taking the pen in a relative opaque manner. In this case we have 2 people who I like and trust as people (a purely subjective statement), but none of whom have non-commercial, community applicant not user points of view (possibly an objective statement).
I guess I will have to wait to see how it all works out. And hope.
avri
On 24-Apr-15 14:30, Steve Chan wrote:
Dear DG Members,
Please find the agenda for the upcoming DG call below. Regarding agenda item two, I encourage you all to review the documents that were circulated on Wednesday, 22 April.
*Proposed Agenda – New gTLD Subsequent Procedures – Monday 27 April at 14:00 UTC*
1. Roll Call / Updates to SOIs 2. Review Draft Exec Summary / Matrix / Charter 3. Next Steps 4. Confirm next meeting
Best,
*Steven Chan* Sr. Policy Manager
*ICANN *12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 steve.chan@icann.org
direct: +1.310.301.3886 mobile: +1.310.339.4410
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