Dear All, Please find the attendance and recording of the call attached to this email. The AC recording and AC Chat are listed below for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 2 – Legal/Regulatory Issues held on Thursday, 15 June 2017 at 21:00 UTC. Adobe Connect recording (audio and visual): https://participate.icann.org/p3o7u6zn6k2/<https://participate.icann.org/p3o7u6zn6k2/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=aef002f837ee5497111fa4719764e9def1225eac61ddd20ef969becbb4c298fd> The recordings of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2 Agenda Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/ExLfAw Thank you. Kind regards, Julie ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for 15 June 2017 Julie Bisland:Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 2 – Legal/Regulatory Issues on Thursday, 15 June 2017 at 21:00 UTC. Julie Bisland:Agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_E... Paul McGrady:Here we are again... Michael Flemming:Great to have you Paul! Julie Hedlund:Slides are now unsynced. Susan Payne:can you remind me what registrant protections covers? Paul McGrady:+1 Kristina. We won't even get it introduced in that timeframe Steve Chan:@susan, in brief, things like EBERO, COI Phil Buckingham:kristina , what topic would u like to do one perhaps we could get concensus on at jo burg ? Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):I get it. But I don't think we can have a meaningful discussion of whether we should have different base agreements until everyone has read and understood the existing RA. And we'll use the entire 22 minutes just getting through the questions. Susan Payne:ah yes, thanks Steve, I was having a mental block Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):@Phil: I think vertical integration would be one. Michael's listing of the potential topics is a good idea. Steve Chan:Answered in brief, not in detail! Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):Can we take this to the email list? Phil Buckingham:thanks Kristina . i tend to agree . Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):Paul's idea is fine, too Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):better idea Paul Phil Buckingham:Great idea , Paul - thanks . Steve Chan:If you take it to the list, those that are not on this call would also be able to participate. Susan Payne:vertical integration Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Registrant Protections Gg Levine (NABP):Registry/registrar standardization Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):Vertical integration; and closed generics Paul McGrady 2:Closed generics Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):Given Steve's point, perhaps Steve could identify the top 4 subjects identified here and take to the list so folks not on the call can "vote" Steve Chan:Unless there is objection to Kristina's suggestion, staff is happy to execute. Michael Flemming:Let us go with Kristina's suggestion. Michael Flemming:yes Paul McGrady 2:come through soft and a bit fuzzy Susan Payne:fine Paul McGrady 2:Oops. I turned up my volume, now he is fine... Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):The Affiliate definition is in Section 2.9(c) of the Registry Agreement. Phil's summary of it was correct, but incomplete Susan Payne:is it just me or are the answers to 1a and b rather vague and open to interpretation? has anyone actually be found to be in breach Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):indeed Kristina Susan Payne:yes agree Kristina Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):@Susan: Not that I'm aware of, but Compliance should be asked that. Steve Chan:@Susan, Kristina, no, breaches. Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):I think that there may be more data that we could ask for that Compliance can provide: how many registry operators are vertically integrated; of that number, how many are within the same corporate family; how many complaints were there against ROs (overall - regardless of whether due to vertical integration); of the complaints referenced in the 1.b answer, how many ROs were those complaints against Steve Chan:The less than 10 complaints I believe is for all time, not just a period of time. Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):@Steve: Really? That's 10 in 4 years. Steve Chan:Happy to confirm Kistina, but that's my understanding. Susan Payne:I think it would also be helpful to know how many registries if any have required to conduct remediation in some way. I think "no breaches" means no formal breach notice but there may have been action require Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):@Steve: And, to be clear, I'm not doubting the answer, I'm pleasantly surprised Steve Chan:@Kristina, :) Steve Chan:@Susan, I believe the answer is less than 10 complaints where remediation was required. Steve Chan:Of course, if we have follow up questions for Contractual Compliance, staff is happy to ask on the WT's behalf. Susan Payne:@Steve, yes I assume so. but it could actually be zero, which would be quite informative Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):Can we agree that we'll each read the CC2 comments so we don't need to have Phil (or Michael) read them out? Jeff Neuman:Is the question you are asking whether all TLDs should be able to have 1 -3 registrars Jeff Neuman:As a PDP Working Group, we do have to respond to all the comments as to how we considered them. But we do not need to read all of the comments aloud. Susan Payne:you might also want to switch registrar, so for the period you switch you would have to have two. limiting just to one would be very restrictive Rubens Kuhl:It also comes down to bargaining power in the contract: having more than one gives a brand more negotiating power in the table. Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):I respectfully disagree with Phil. I'd like to see us use the 45 minutes in Joburg to work through the comments rather than hone in on one point made by one Commenter on one subpart Jeff Neuman:Lets see if we can group the issues into categories of types of comments Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):agree Jeff Kiran Malancharuvil:Agree with grouping the issues into categories and represnting various groups of views for discussion. Much easier Steve Chan:Nope, that's it Paul McGrady 2:Next step: beer Steve Chan:you're more generous than i was thinking michael. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):bye for now safe travels to those who are attending JNB meeting Kiran Malancharuvil:Coffee for michael Kiran Malancharuvil::) Kiran Malancharuvil:Thanks all! Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):@Paul: Not fair to those of us who have several more hours to go . . . .Safe travels everyone. Jeff Neuman:Beer at 7 am.....breafast of champions Susan Payne:bed for me Heather Forrest:Bye all Phil Buckingham:bed for me