GDD Response to Vertical Integration Data Request
Dear WT2 Members, WT2, during its meeting on 18 May 2017, requested statistics on how many registry operators are vertically integrated. While apologizing for the lateness of delivery, below, please find the response below from GDD: ICANN collects data about contracted parties’ vertical integration (also known as cross-ownership or Affiliate relationships) during the application process for both registrars and registry operators. Additionally, contracted parties are required to notify ICANN of its Affiliate relationships occurring after contracting, under both the registrar and registry operator agreements with ICANN. To date, ICANN has tracked notifications received from approximately 275 vertically integrated contracted parties. Sixteen of these notifications were received after contracting (4 in 2014, 10 in 2015, and 2 in 2017). However, contracted parties are not required to notify ICANN of the termination of such relationships. Therefore, the total number of vertically integrated contracted parties may vary from those notifications previously tracked. If you have any questions about this information, please let policy support staff know. Best, Steve Steven Chan Policy Director, GNSO Support ICANN 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 steve.chan@icann.org mobile: +1.310.339.4410 office tel: +1.310.301.5800 office fax: +1.310.823.8649 Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages. Follow @GNSO on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ICANN_GNSO Follow the GNSO on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/icanngnso/ http://gnso.icann.org/en/
Em 21 de dez de 2017, à(s) 17:27:000, Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org> escreveu:
Dear WT2 Members,
WT2, during its meeting on 18 May 2017, requested statistics on how many registry operators are vertically integrated. While apologizing for the lateness of delivery, below, please find the response below from GDD:
ICANN collects data about contracted parties’ vertical integration (also known as cross-ownership or Affiliate relationships) during the application process for both registrars and registry operators. Additionally, contracted parties are required to notify ICANN of its Affiliate relationships occurring after contracting, under both the registrar and registry operator agreements with ICANN. To date, ICANN has tracked notifications received from approximately 275 vertically integrated contracted parties. Sixteen of these notifications were received after contracting (4 in 2014, 10 in 2015, and 2 in 2017). However, contracted parties are not required to notify ICANN of the termination of such relationships. Therefore, the total number of vertically integrated contracted parties may vary from those notifications previously tracked.
If you have any questions about this information, please let policy support staff know.
Steve, I believe it would be interesting to know whether this refers to 275 TLDs, 275 registry legal entities or 275 registry families... some registry groups have more than one legal entity, some have a single legal entity... Rubens
Rubens, My understanding is that the 275 represents notifications received by ICANN. For example, if Company ABC123 has signed 3 Registry Agreements with ICANN and sent 3 notices under each of its RAs, regarding its new Affiliate, that would count as 3 of the 275 notifications. Best, Steve From: Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br> Date: Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 1:36 PM To: Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org> Cc: "gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2@icann.org" <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2@icann.org> Subject: [Ext] Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2] GDD Response to Vertical Integration Data Request Em 21 de dez de 2017, à(s) 17:27:000, Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org> escreveu: Dear WT2 Members, WT2, during its meeting on 18 May 2017, requested statistics on how many registry operators are vertically integrated. While apologizing for the lateness of delivery, below, please find the response below from GDD: ICANN collects data about contracted parties’ vertical integration (also known as cross-ownership or Affiliate relationships) during the application process for both registrars and registry operators. Additionally, contracted parties are required to notify ICANN of its Affiliate relationships occurring after contracting, under both the registrar and registry operator agreements with ICANN. To date, ICANN has tracked notifications received from approximately 275 vertically integrated contracted parties. Sixteen of these notifications were received after contracting (4 in 2014, 10 in 2015, and 2 in 2017). However, contracted parties are not required to notify ICANN of the termination of such relationships. Therefore, the total number of vertically integrated contracted parties may vary from those notifications previously tracked. If you have any questions about this information, please let policy support staff know. Steve, I believe it would be interesting to know whether this refers to 275 TLDs, 275 registry legal entities or 275 registry families... some registry groups have more than one legal entity, some have a single legal entity... Rubens
Steve, I believe they mixed legal entities and registry families in the response. The initial number does look like legal entities, but since we know that Donuts become vertically-integrated with the acquisition of Rightside, that would have put many more legal entities in the list, because Donuts use one legal entity per TLD, while other portfolio registries operate with a single legal entity. I wouldn't count on the precision of the response considering the numbers they gave. Rubens
On 21 Dec 2017, at 20:41, Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org> wrote:
Rubens,
My understanding is that the 275 represents notifications received by ICANN. For example, if Company ABC123 has signed 3 Registry Agreements with ICANN and sent 3 notices under each of its RAs, regarding its new Affiliate, that would count as 3 of the 275 notifications.
Best, Steve
From: Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br> Date: Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 1:36 PM To: Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org> Cc: "gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2@icann.org" <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2@icann.org> Subject: [Ext] Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2] GDD Response to Vertical Integration Data Request
Em 21 de dez de 2017, à(s) 17:27:000, Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org <mailto:steve.chan@icann.org>> escreveu:
Dear WT2 Members,
WT2, during its meeting on 18 May 2017, requested statistics on how many registry operators are vertically integrated. While apologizing for the lateness of delivery, below, please find the response below from GDD:
ICANN collects data about contracted parties’ vertical integration (also known as cross-ownership or Affiliate relationships) during the application process for both registrars and registry operators. Additionally, contracted parties are required to notify ICANN of its Affiliate relationships occurring after contracting, under both the registrar and registry operator agreements with ICANN. To date, ICANN has tracked notifications received from approximately 275 vertically integrated contracted parties. Sixteen of these notifications were received after contracting (4 in 2014, 10 in 2015, and 2 in 2017). However, contracted parties are not required to notify ICANN of the termination of such relationships. Therefore, the total number of vertically integrated contracted parties may vary from those notifications previously tracked.
If you have any questions about this information, please let policy support staff know.
Steve,
I believe it would be interesting to know whether this refers to 275 TLDs, 275 registry legal entities or 275 registry families... some registry groups have more than one legal entity, some have a single legal entity...
Rubens
Hi Steve, Thank you for working to get this data. In support of what Rubens has mentioned, I believe that our follow up questions to ICANN will seek a further breakdown of these 275. Kind regards, Michael Flemming On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br> wrote:
Steve,
I believe they mixed legal entities and registry families in the response. The initial number does look like legal entities, but since we know that Donuts become vertically-integrated with the acquisition of Rightside, that would have put many more legal entities in the list, because Donuts use one legal entity per TLD, while other portfolio registries operate with a single legal entity.
I wouldn't count on the precision of the response considering the numbers they gave.
Rubens
On 21 Dec 2017, at 20:41, Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org> wrote:
Rubens,
My understanding is that the 275 represents notifications received by ICANN. For example, if Company ABC123 has signed 3 Registry Agreements with ICANN and sent 3 notices under each of its RAs, regarding its new Affiliate, that would count as 3 of the 275 notifications.
Best, Steve
*From: *Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br> *Date: *Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 1:36 PM *To: *Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org> *Cc: *"gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2@icann.org" <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2@icann.org> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2] GDD Response to Vertical Integration Data Request
Em 21 de dez de 2017, à(s) 17:27:000, Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org> escreveu:
Dear WT2 Members,
WT2, during its meeting on 18 May 2017, requested statistics on how many registry operators are vertically integrated. While apologizing for the lateness of delivery, below, please find the response below from GDD:
ICANN collects data about contracted parties’ vertical integration (also known as cross-ownership or Affiliate relationships) during the application process for both registrars and registry operators. Additionally, contracted parties are required to notify ICANN of its Affiliate relationships occurring after contracting, under both the registrar and registry operator agreements with ICANN. To date, ICANN has tracked notifications received from approximately 275 vertically integrated contracted parties. Sixteen of these notifications were received after contracting (4 in 2014, 10 in 2015, and 2 in 2017). However, contracted parties are not required to notify ICANN of the termination of such relationships. Therefore, the total number of vertically integrated contracted parties may vary from those notifications previously tracked.
If you have any questions about this information, please let policy support staff know.
Steve,
I believe it would be interesting to know whether this refers to 275 TLDs, 275 registry legal entities or 275 registry families... some registry groups have more than one legal entity, some have a single legal entity...
Rubens
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Also there have been a couple of registries that were vertically integrated and now aren’t eg. Minds and Machines and Nominet, though in the Nominet case I *think* their registrar is still “active” -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2 <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br> Date: Friday 22 December 2017 at 00:13 To: Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org> Cc: "gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2@icann.org" <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2] [Ext] Re: GDD Response to Vertical Integration Data Request Steve, I believe they mixed legal entities and registry families in the response. The initial number does look like legal entities, but since we know that Donuts become vertically-integrated with the acquisition of Rightside, that would have put many more legal entities in the list, because Donuts use one legal entity per TLD, while other portfolio registries operate with a single legal entity. I wouldn't count on the precision of the response considering the numbers they gave. Rubens On 21 Dec 2017, at 20:41, Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org<mailto:steve.chan@icann.org>> wrote: Rubens, My understanding is that the 275 represents notifications received by ICANN. For example, if Company ABC123 has signed 3 Registry Agreements with ICANN and sent 3 notices under each of its RAs, regarding its new Affiliate, that would count as 3 of the 275 notifications. Best, Steve From: Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br<mailto:rubensk@nic.br>> Date: Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 1:36 PM To: Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org<mailto:steve.chan@icann.org>> Cc: "gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2@icann.org>" <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2@icann.org>> Subject: [Ext] Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2] GDD Response to Vertical Integration Data Request Em 21 de dez de 2017, à(s) 17:27:000, Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org<mailto:steve.chan@icann.org>> escreveu: Dear WT2 Members, WT2, during its meeting on 18 May 2017, requested statistics on how many registry operators are vertically integrated. While apologizing for the lateness of delivery, below, please find the response below from GDD: ICANN collects data about contracted parties’ vertical integration (also known as cross-ownership or Affiliate relationships) during the application process for both registrars and registry operators. Additionally, contracted parties are required to notify ICANN of its Affiliate relationships occurring after contracting, under both the registrar and registry operator agreements with ICANN. To date, ICANN has tracked notifications received from approximately 275 vertically integrated contracted parties. Sixteen of these notifications were received after contracting (4 in 2014, 10 in 2015, and 2 in 2017). However, contracted parties are not required to notify ICANN of the termination of such relationships. Therefore, the total number of vertically integrated contracted parties may vary from those notifications previously tracked. If you have any questions about this information, please let policy support staff know. Steve, I believe it would be interesting to know whether this refers to 275 TLDs, 275 registry legal entities or 275 registry families... some registry groups have more than one legal entity, some have a single legal entity... Rubens
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Steve Chan