Agenda for WT2 Call at 20:30 UTC 5 October 2017
Dear All, Please note that the agenda for this week's call is as below. 1. Welcome 2. SOI Updates 3. Closed Generic Discussion 4. AOB Please note that this week will be a continuation of our discussion from last week on Closed Generics. In addition to the NGPC decision, there were several objections filed based against closed generics from the 2012 round. One of these, .mobile, was mentioned on the last couple of calls. Turns out there was more than one decision on this issue, but with opposite results. The assignment is to see if we can extract common themes in the findings to create a path forward that may allow certain closed generics to proceed while addressing the potential harms. I look forward to discussing with everyone. Kind regards, Michael Flemming
Hi Michael, Could you kindly share the Objections you are referring to? There are no good reports that I know of summarizing the multiple objections, and I am hoping no one expects us all, individually, to cull through the many decisions. :-) If you could point us in the right direction, I would appreciate it. Also, it would be interesting to know on what grounds the decisions were -- namely, standing, nexus to the string, harm, etc. Much appreciated, Kathy p.s. I would be happy to speak to the Amazon .MOBILE case as I lived and breathed that one. On 10/3/2017 6:12 AM, Michael Flemming wrote:
Dear All,
Please note that the agenda for this week's call is as below.
1. Welcome
2. SOI Updates
3. Closed Generic Discussion
4. AOB
Please note that this week will be a continuation of our discussion from last week on Closed Generics. In addition to the NGPC decision, there were several objections filed based against closed generics from the 2012 round. One of these, .mobile, was mentioned on the last couple of calls. Turns out there was more than one decision on this issue, but with opposite results. The assignment is to see if we can extract common themes in the findings to create a path forward that may allow certain closed generics to proceed while addressing the potential harms.
I look forward to discussing with everyone.
Kind regards,
Michael Flemming
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Kathy, Staff is trying to pull as much reference as possible for the meeting. I know it is rather difficult so I am asking that everyone keeps them in mind. I do invite you to share your experience but we will also be relying on the expert findings of the panelists :) I look forward to speaking with you and everyone. Kind regards, Michael Flemming El El mié, 4 oct 2017 a las 16:29, Kathy Kleiman <kathy@kathykleiman.com> escribió:
Hi Michael,
Could you kindly share the Objections you are referring to? There are no good reports that I know of summarizing the multiple objections, and I am hoping no one expects us all, individually, to cull through the many decisions. :-)
If you could point us in the right direction, I would appreciate it. Also, it would be interesting to know on what grounds the decisions were -- namely, standing, nexus to the string, harm, etc.
Much appreciated,
Kathy
p.s. I would be happy to speak to the Amazon .MOBILE case as I lived and breathed that one.
On 10/3/2017 6:12 AM, Michael Flemming wrote:
Dear All,
Please note that the agenda for this week's call is as below.
1. Welcome
2. SOI Updates
3. Closed Generic Discussion
4. AOB
Please note that this week will be a continuation of our discussion from last week on Closed Generics. In addition to the NGPC decision, there were several objections filed based against closed generics from the 2012 round. One of these, .mobile, was mentioned on the last couple of calls. Turns out there was more than one decision on this issue, but with opposite results. The assignment is to see if we can extract common themes in the findings to create a path forward that may allow certain closed generics to proceed while addressing the potential harms.
I look forward to discussing with everyone.
Kind regards,
Michael Flemming
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Dear All, Please note the link to the Community Objection determinations I am referring to. If you have anymore questions, please note I am traveling today and will answer them as much as I can before the call. https://iccwbo.org/dispute-resolution-services/icann-gtld-process/expert-det... Regards, Michael Flemming El El mar, 3 oct 2017 a las 13:12, Michael Flemming < flemming@brightsconsulting.com> escribió:
Dear All,
Please note that the agenda for this week's call is as below.
1. Welcome
2. SOI Updates
3. Closed Generic Discussion
4. AOB
Please note that this week will be a continuation of our discussion from last week on Closed Generics. In addition to the NGPC decision, there were several objections filed based against closed generics from the 2012 round. One of these, .mobile, was mentioned on the last couple of calls. Turns out there was more than one decision on this issue, but with opposite results. The assignment is to see if we can extract common themes in the findings to create a path forward that may allow certain closed generics to proceed while addressing the potential harms.
I look forward to discussing with everyone.
Kind regards,
Michael Flemming
-- Sent from my mobile.
Dear All, Staff has finished putting together a document that highlights findings of the panelists from objections of .MOBILE and .BOOK. While both of these have two different outcomes, they do share common themes of seeking whether or not a standing community qualifies to or not to file an objection against a proposed Closed Generic. It is the hope that we will be able to review other objections as well to establish a path forward. I look forward to discussing with all of you in roughly six hours. Kind regards, Michael Flemming On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:31 PM, Michael Flemming < flemming@brightsconsulting.com> wrote:
Dear All,
Please note the link to the Community Objection determinations I am referring to. If you have anymore questions, please note I am traveling today and will answer them as much as I can before the call.
https://iccwbo.org/dispute-resolution-services/icann-gtld-process/expert- determinations/
Regards,
Michael Flemming
El El mar, 3 oct 2017 a las 13:12, Michael Flemming < flemming@brightsconsulting.com> escribió:
Dear All,
Please note that the agenda for this week's call is as below.
1. Welcome
2. SOI Updates
3. Closed Generic Discussion
4. AOB
Please note that this week will be a continuation of our discussion from last week on Closed Generics. In addition to the NGPC decision, there were several objections filed based against closed generics from the 2012 round. One of these, .mobile, was mentioned on the last couple of calls. Turns out there was more than one decision on this issue, but with opposite results. The assignment is to see if we can extract common themes in the findings to create a path forward that may allow certain closed generics to proceed while addressing the potential harms.
I look forward to discussing with everyone.
Kind regards,
Michael Flemming
-- Sent from my mobile.
Thanks, Michael. Can you or ICANN staff help me understand why the document didn’t include the findings of the unsuccessful community objection against .MOBILE? That would be helpful to a more complete understanding. From: gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Michael Flemming Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 7:32 AM To: gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2] Agenda for WT2 Call at 20:30 UTC 5 October 2017 Dear All, Staff has finished putting together a document that highlights findings of the panelists from objections of .MOBILE and .BOOK. While both of these have two different outcomes, they do share common themes of seeking whether or not a standing community qualifies to or not to file an objection against a proposed Closed Generic. It is the hope that we will be able to review other objections as well to establish a path forward. I look forward to discussing with all of you in roughly six hours. Kind regards, Michael Flemming On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:31 PM, Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com<mailto:flemming@brightsconsulting.com>> wrote: Dear All, Please note the link to the Community Objection determinations I am referring to. If you have anymore questions, please note I am traveling today and will answer them as much as I can before the call. https://iccwbo.org/dispute-resolution-services/icann-gtld-process/expert-det... Regards, Michael Flemming El El mar, 3 oct 2017 a las 13:12, Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com<mailto:flemming@brightsconsulting.com>> escribió: Dear All, Please note that the agenda for this week's call is as below. 1. Welcome 2. SOI Updates 3. Closed Generic Discussion 4. AOB Please note that this week will be a continuation of our discussion from last week on Closed Generics. In addition to the NGPC decision, there were several objections filed based against closed generics from the 2012 round. One of these, .mobile, was mentioned on the last couple of calls. Turns out there was more than one decision on this issue, but with opposite results. The assignment is to see if we can extract common themes in the findings to create a path forward that may allow certain closed generics to proceed while addressing the potential harms. I look forward to discussing with everyone. Kind regards, Michael Flemming -- Sent from my mobile.
That one's simple, Dish DBS amended its application for .MOBILE dramatically in course of the Community Objection (responding to many but not all of the objections raised). The Panelist finding was that Dish's .MOBILE application was now "open and non-discriminatory" and hence, no longer a Closed Generic. Best, Kathy On 10/5/2017 2:46 PM, Rosette, Kristina via Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2 wrote:
Thanks, Michael. Can you or ICANN staff help me understand why the document didn’t include the findings of the unsuccessful community objection against .MOBILE? That would be helpful to a more complete understanding.
*From:*gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael Flemming *Sent:* Thursday, October 05, 2017 7:32 AM *To:* gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2] Agenda for WT2 Call at 20:30 UTC 5 October 2017
Dear All,
Staff has finished putting together a document that highlights findings of the panelists from objections of .MOBILE and .BOOK. While both of these have two different outcomes, they do share common themes of seeking whether or not a standing community qualifies to or not to file an objection against a proposed Closed Generic.
It is the hope that we will be able to review other objections as well to establish a path forward.
I look forward to discussing with all of you in roughly six hours.
Kind regards,
Michael Flemming
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:31 PM, Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com <mailto:flemming@brightsconsulting.com>> wrote:
Dear All,
Please note the link to the Community Objection determinations I am referring to. If you have anymore questions, please note I am traveling today and will answer them as much as I can before the call.
https://iccwbo.org/dispute-resolution-services/icann-gtld-process/expert-det...
Regards,
Michael Flemming
El El mar, 3 oct 2017 a las 13:12, Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com <mailto:flemming@brightsconsulting.com>> escribió:
Dear All,
Please note that the agenda for this week's call is as below.
1. Welcome 2. SOI Updates 3. Closed Generic Discussion 4. AOB
Please note that this week will be a continuation of our discussion from last week on Closed Generics. In addition to the NGPC decision, there were several objections filed based against closed generics from the 2012 round. One of these, .mobile, was mentioned on the last couple of calls. Turns out there was more than one decision on this issue, but with opposite results. The assignment is to see if we can extract common themes in the findings to create a path forward that may allow certain closed generics to proceed while addressing the potential harms.
I look forward to discussing with everyone.
Kind regards,
Michael Flemming
--
Sent from my mobile.
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Are you joining the call today….that is on in 5 minutes? Jeffrey J. Neuman Senior Vice President |Valideus USA | Com Laude USA 1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600 Mclean, VA 22102, United States E: jeff.neuman@valideus.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@valideus.com> or jeff.neuman@comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com> T: +1.703.635.7514 M: +1.202.549.5079 @Jintlaw From: gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Kleiman Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 3:25 PM To: gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2] Agenda for WT2 Call at 20:30 UTC 5 October 2017 That one's simple, Dish DBS amended its application for .MOBILE dramatically in course of the Community Objection (responding to many but not all of the objections raised). The Panelist finding was that Dish's .MOBILE application was now "open and non-discriminatory" and hence, no longer a Closed Generic. Best, Kathy On 10/5/2017 2:46 PM, Rosette, Kristina via Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2 wrote: Thanks, Michael. Can you or ICANN staff help me understand why the document didn’t include the findings of the unsuccessful community objection against .MOBILE? That would be helpful to a more complete understanding. From: gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Michael Flemming Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 7:32 AM To: gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2] Agenda for WT2 Call at 20:30 UTC 5 October 2017 Dear All, Staff has finished putting together a document that highlights findings of the panelists from objections of .MOBILE and .BOOK. While both of these have two different outcomes, they do share common themes of seeking whether or not a standing community qualifies to or not to file an objection against a proposed Closed Generic. It is the hope that we will be able to review other objections as well to establish a path forward. I look forward to discussing with all of you in roughly six hours. Kind regards, Michael Flemming On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:31 PM, Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com<mailto:flemming@brightsconsulting.com>> wrote: Dear All, Please note the link to the Community Objection determinations I am referring to. If you have anymore questions, please note I am traveling today and will answer them as much as I can before the call. https://iccwbo.org/dispute-resolution-services/icann-gtld-process/expert-det... Regards, Michael Flemming El El mar, 3 oct 2017 a las 13:12, Michael Flemming <flemming@brightsconsulting.com<mailto:flemming@brightsconsulting.com>> escribió: Dear All, Please note that the agenda for this week's call is as below. 1. Welcome 2. SOI Updates 3. Closed Generic Discussion 4. AOB Please note that this week will be a continuation of our discussion from last week on Closed Generics. In addition to the NGPC decision, there were several objections filed based against closed generics from the 2012 round. One of these, .mobile, was mentioned on the last couple of calls. Turns out there was more than one decision on this issue, but with opposite results. The assignment is to see if we can extract common themes in the findings to create a path forward that may allow certain closed generics to proceed while addressing the potential harms. I look forward to discussing with everyone. Kind regards, Michael Flemming -- Sent from my mobile. _______________________________________________ Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2 mailing list Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2@icann.org<mailto:Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2
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