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Namespace collisions
by Rubens Kuhl Sept. 15, 2016

Sept. 15, 2016

Hi all. During our WT4 meeting today, Cheryl mentioned that the topic currently under consideration for having a detached team looking into it is namespace collisions; in order for WT members to have a better understanding of what's involved in this topic, I've gathered reference materials from different views and moments of the reasoning that ended-up with the controlled interruption mechanism. There is no need to rush in reading the thousands of pages and seeing the hours of videos linked here, but exactly due to the volume and technical deepness of this topic I thought a head start would favor either the discussions or the decision to not engage in this topic. Best, Rubens Interisle report: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/name-collision-02aug13-en.pdf JAS Advisors Report: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/name-collision-mitigation-final… SSAC reports: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-045-en.pdf https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-057-en.pdf https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-062-en.pdf https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-066-en.pdf New gTLD applicants comments: https://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-name-collision-05aug13/pdfOPzpyE9PtF… https://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-name-collision-26feb14/pdfE89TaUkJlR… https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/kuhl-to-namazi-12jun14… TLD Security Forum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By_VUgfT3UE&index=5&list=PLWvDpnCcem1PGSd22… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZT1GfhZcEE&list=PLWvDpnCcem1PGSd22Ro6XtLkw… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs7abO6IoGQ&list=PLWvDpnCcem1PGSd22Ro6XtLkw… Verisign: http://namecollisions.net/program/index.html (this workshop consolidates what Verisign previously published on this topic) http://www.verisign.com/assets/labs/Measuring-the-Leakage-of-Onion-at-the-R… http://www.verisign.com/assets/labs/MitM-Attack-by-Name-Collision-Cause-Ana… US Cert advisory: https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/alerts/TA16-144A ICANN Staff: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/name-collision-2013-12-06-en

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Actions/Discussion Notes: Work Track 4 SubTeam Meeting 15 September
by Julie Hedlund Sept. 15, 2016

Sept. 15, 2016

Dear Sub Team Members, Please see below the action items and discussion notes captured by staff from the meeting on 15 September. These high-level notes are designed to help Work Track Sub Team members navigate through the content of the call. Please also see the recording on the meetings page at: https://community.icann.org/display/NGSPP/Work+Track+4+Meetings. Best regards, Julie Julie Hedlund, Policy Director Action Items/Discussion Notes 15 September 1. Working Methods Action Items: 1. Schedule fortnightly meetings for 60 minutes and rotate at 0300, 1500, and 2000 on Thursdays. 2. Sub Team members should review the Work Track 4 wiki at: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=60490781. 3. Use Google Docs for collaboration. 4. When doing a consensus call extend it for two meetings. Discussion Notes: · Fortnightly meeting, but can increase frequency as needed. Stay with that schedule for now. · Call timing is 60 minutes, rotated at 0300, 1500, 2000 UTC. Stay with this rotation for now. · Mailing list for the Sub Team, separate from the full WG list. · Wiki for the Sub Team. Encourage Sub Team members to review the wiki. Sub Team members can post comments to the wiki. · Collaboration tools: Use Google Docs. Can also do polls through Doodle. · Consensus calls, use online tools with confirmation on two calls. · How to operate? Team of only 21. Conduct all work in the Sub Team as a whole. Can break into smaller groups. · Look at prioritizing items and decide whether to run in parallel. · Use pen holders/strawperson docs. 2. Work Items/Tasks Action Items: 1. Staff can inquire about the JAS availability, but need to know specifically what we are asking. 2. Cheryl Langdon-Orr proposes creating a table with each of clarifying questions (see Discussion Notes below) to make sure the Sub Group has answered them. Discussion Notes: · Internationalized Domain Names. · Universal Acceptance: Coordinate with the Universal Acceptance Steering Group (UASG). · Security and Stability: Stability review, registry services review. Consider whether registry services offered might adversely affect security and stability. · Applicant Guidebook: Technical, operational, financial -- Look at whether this information should be required at application time. · Name Collisions: Review findings of Final Report. Determine whether any changes should be recommended. Check with JAS advisors. · Consider the check list/score cards that were used generally and clarifying questions that were asked. But clarifying questions were not published, so that was a lack of transparency. · Should we review the applications that failed evaluation and assess whether the threshold used was at the right level? Or if they didn't fail was the threshold too low? · We can ask for the actual scoring guidelines that the evaluators used and the list of clarifying questions that were asked. If everyone was asked the same questions, then perhaps the questions need to be updated in the Guidebook 4. Schedule of Work / Grouping of Issues Action Items: 1. The Sub Team will need to draft requests for input from the communities of interest -- SOs and ACs, constituencies, etc. -- on some of these topics. These requests will be handled through Jeff and Avri. Staff will start a Google Doc. 2. Staff will reach out to see if there is someone from the UASG group who can join the next call. 3. Cheryl and Rubens will provide questions, which staff will use to inquire about score carding, etc. Discussion Notes: · These items can run in parallel, possibly with a staggered start in the coming weeks. · In parallel, need to reach out to the USAG, inform them of our work and ask if one of them would like to brief us at a future call. · Start Applicant Guidebook work early, possibly in parallel. · Rubens: Some items from the full WG consultation may be relevant and need to be considered. These questions do not need to be asked again in the Sub Group. · Issue of name collisions can be handled later as there are dependencies. Possible sub-group of the Sub Team could take on this work and draft initial documentation. This will be discussed further later.

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recording, Attendance & AC Chat for New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 4 – IDNs/Technical & Operations held on Thursday, 15 September 2016 at 15:00 UTC.
by Terri Agnew Sept. 15, 2016

Sept. 15, 2016

Dear All, Please find the attendance and recording of the call attached to this email and the AC Chat below for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 4 – IDNs/Technical & Operations held on Thursday, 15 September 2016 at 15:00 UTC. The recordings of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov> ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt4 Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/HQSbAw Thank you. Kind regards, Terri ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for 15 September 2016 Terri Agnew:Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 4 – IDNs/Technical & Operations held on Thursday, 15 September 2016 at 15:00 UTC. Terri Agnew:wiki agenda page: https://community.icann.org/x/whWsAw Terri Agnew:at this time everyone can scroll the slides themselves Emily Barabas:loud and clear! Rubens Kuhl:Hearing you fine here Cheryl. Terri Agnew:change of plans, hosts will turn slides Dietmar Lenden - Valideus Ltd:Thanks Ruben Martin Sutton:Sorry for my late arrival, just returned from a business trip. Terri Agnew:Welcome Martn Martin Sutton:Prefer to stay as is for now Dietmar Lenden - Valideus Ltd:No - seems good Terri Agnew:currently the next call for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 4 – IDNs/Technical & Operations will take place on Thursday, 29 September 2016 at 20:00 UTC. Dietmar Lenden - Valideus Ltd:Rotation is fair and as Cherly says pain is shared Martin Sutton:Agree also, only fair Quoc Pham, Neustar:No complaints from me, decent timing for the Australians Rubens Kuhl:Note that WT leadership is also 11 hours apart, so it's also sunny if you want to discuss WT themes with one of the co-chairs... Rubens Kuhl:(always sunny) Dietmar Lenden - Valideus Ltd:That isfine (some companies may not be able to use Google Docs) Martin Sutton:Rubens has hand raised Dietmar Lenden - Valideus Ltd:Doodle - seems popular Dietmar Lenden - Valideus Ltd:Semms reasonable Rubens, as people cannot always make calls so an alternaive is great to have Dietmar Lenden - Valideus Ltd:*Seems Martin Sutton:Based on size of group we could vote via email or create polls Martin Sutton:don't really mind Jeff Neuman:Online tools with confirmations on calls Jeff Neuman:? Steve Chan:And channelling Avri, confirmed on two calls? Steve Chan:No one can realllly channel Avri... Martin Sutton:Sounds very practicable Rubens Kuhl:+1 Dietmar Lenden - Valideus Ltd:+1 Martin Martin Sutton:Sounds really good and clear, thank you Cheryl Terri Agnew:The next call for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group is scheduled to take place on Monday, 19 September 2016 at 15:00 UTC for 90 minutes. Jeff Neuman:Should also talk to the JAS Advisors to get their input Steve Chan:Staff can inquire about their availability generally Steve Chan:JAS Advisors, yes. Steve Chan:But we'll of course need to know specifcally what we are asking Martin Sutton:Should we rview the applications that failed evaluation and assess whether the threshold used was at the right level? Dietmar Lenden - Valideus Ltd:You got muffeled at the end there Jeff Jeff Neuman:Sorry.....WE can ask for the actual scoring guidelines that the evaluators used and the list of clarifying questions that were asked. If everyone was asked the same questions, then perhaps the questions need to be updated in the Guidebook Martin Sutton:True Rubens Kuhl:Chat is very good when talking would wake up my toddler at night... Terri Agnew:Track 4 workspace: https://community.icann.org/x/HQSbAw Jeff Neuman:yes Dietmar Lenden - Valideus Ltd:Thanks all - have a great evening / morning etc Martin Sutton:Thanks, good call Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Bye for Niw THANK everyone

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Agenda for this weeks call #2
by Cheryl Langdon-Orr Sept. 14, 2016

Sept. 14, 2016

AGENDA SubPro WT 4: IDN / Technical / Operations Meeting #2 1500 UTC 15 September 2016 08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT, 16:00 London, 17:00 CEST For other times: http://tinyurl.com/j8tlfc3 Adobe Connect room: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/newgtldsubteams/ 1. Welcome 2. Opening Remarks 3. Call Administration 4. Any update from WG activities 5. Working Methods 6. Work Items / Tasks 7. Schedule of Work / Grouping of Issues 8. AOB 9. Review of any Action Items We welcome you all to join us on this call. Rubens and Cheryl

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Gearing up WT4
by Rubens Kuhl Aug. 25, 2016

Aug. 25, 2016

Hi all, During our first meeting today, I mentioned the review that GDD staff (not policy staff) made of the program implementation, and the comments of it by applicants; here follows the links to those. Staff report: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/program-review-29jan16-en.pdf While the whole of public comments can be seen at https://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-new-gtld-draft-review-23sep15/, and staff report of the comments is available at https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/report-comments-new-gtld-draft-… , I picked a few that are very comprehensive in regard to WT4 themes, usually providing a more critical view than the story as told by staff. https://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-new-gtld-draft-review-23sep15/pdffIt… (BC) https://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-new-gtld-draft-review-23sep15/pdf1TO… (RySG) https://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-new-gtld-draft-review-23sep15/pdfcHo… (AFNIC) Att., Rubens

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recording, Attendance & AC Chat for New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 4 – IDNs/Technical & Operations held on Thursday, 25 August 2016 at 20:00 UTC.
by Terri Agnew Aug. 25, 2016

Aug. 25, 2016

Dear All, Please find the attendance and recording of the call attached to this email and the AC Chat below for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 4 – IDNs/Technical & Operations held on Thursday, 25 August 2016 at 20:00 UTC. The recordings of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov> ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt4 Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/HQSbAw Thank you. Kind regards, Terri ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for 25 August 2016 Terri Agnew:Welcome to the first call for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 4 – IDNs/Technical & Operations held on Thursday, 25 August 2016 at 20:00 UTC. Terri Agnew:wiki agenda page: https://community.icann.org/x/3wisAw Terri Agnew:Work Track 4 Members & Mailing List Archives wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/ww2bAw Jeff Neuman:Welcome all....giving an extra minute or so Dietmar Lenden - Validues Ltd:no problem Jeff Jeff Neuman:Hoping Rubens will join Jeff Neuman:I know we are hitting the dog days of summer (or winter depending on where you are) Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):Yes, just switching over. Avri Doria:hope this meeting is as exctiing as that one was. Dietmar Lenden - Validues Ltd:we can hear you Christa Taylor:Nice and clear! Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):great audio Jeff Clear as a crystal Emily Barabas:Rubens SOI: https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Rubens+Kuhl+SOI Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Jeff I am happy to assist Rubens if you like, I served in IDN world a log time Emily Barabas:Cheryl Langdon-Orr SOI: https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Cheryl+Langdon-Orr+SOI Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):NP Jeff you *can* in fact always through me in the deep end np prep required Terri Agnew:Welcome Ruben Kuhl Rubens Kuhl:Thanks Terri! Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): Hi Rubens were on slide 9 atm, and I have just stepped up to assist you in the Leadership Rubens Kuhl:Now I got access. The bridge had a bit of delay. Avri Doria:new comer? still? at this point? Avri Doria:i though newcomer rubbed off after 1-2 years max. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):indeed Avri Rubens Kuhl:Avri, specifically in regards to new gTLD policy development, when I got here everything was defnined, both in overaching policy and implementation... Rubens Kuhl:Included LGRs for both TLDs and 2nd level. Rubens Kuhl:More like a disclaimer so registries not sue ICANN for lack of UA... Rubens Kuhl:3: .home, .corp and .mail Rubens Kuhl:Some proposed, but none were referred to RSTEP. Avri Doria:also there may be some interaction between this track and track 2 on reserved IDN names - or is all that in Track 2? Rubens Kuhl:Avri, the possible interaction is that if the policy allows 1-char IDN in some languages, the reserved IDN name list might need to be revised. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):there will no doubt need to be some coordination on this Avri Doria:i meant all sort of reserved names Avri Doria:and we can alwasy schedule a joint meeting of two track teams Rubens Kuhl:We have the benefit at 2016 of having LGR (Label Generation Rules) defined for many languages, something not available in 2007. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):very true Rubens, Phil Buckingham:Avri , it is doesnt actually specify IDNs reserved names per se - just "review of the composition of the reserved names list " Terri Agnew:@Jeff, your audio is starting to cut out Rubens Kuhl:Jeff, you are fading in and out. Terri Agnew:much better Julie Hedlund:Better now! Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Thank Jeff Thnks everyone ! Bye for now Julie Hedlund:Thanks everyone Rubens Kuhl:Thanks all, sorry for being late. Dietmar Lenden - Validues Ltd:bye all Avri Doria:bye, thanks Martin Sutton:Thanks Phil Buckingham:thanks Jeff

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Actions/Discussion Notes: Work Track 4 Sub Team Meeting 25 August
by Julie Hedlund Aug. 25, 2016

Aug. 25, 2016

Dear Sub Team Members, Please see below the action items and discussion notes captured by staff from the meeting on 25 August. These high-level notes are designed to help Work Track Sub Team members navigate through the content of the call. Please also see the recording on the meetings page at: https://community.icann.org/display/NGSPP/Work+Track+4+Meetings. Best regards, Julie Julie Hedlund, Policy Director Action Items/Discussion Notes 25 August 1. Leadership for the Track 4 Sub Team -- See Sub Team participants at: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=60493251.) Action Items: Rubens Kuhl (SOI) and Cheryl Langdon-Orr (SOI) have volunteered, and were accepted, as co-leaders. 2. Sub Team Meeting Scheduling: Discussion Notes: · Meet once per week or once every other week. · 0300, 1500, 2000 UTC time slots (rotating) on Tuesdays or Thursdays. · Start up in early September. 3. Work Items/List of Topics -- See: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=60490781 Discussion Notes: · Identify additional IDN issues. · Coordinate on other ICANN issues, such as variants. · Coordinate between track 2 and track 4 on reserved names and IDNs.

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First Meeting of Work Track 4
by Jeff Neuman Aug. 23, 2016

Aug. 23, 2016

All, As you are aware, the first meeting of Work Track 4 (IDN / Technical) is scheduled for Thursday 25 August at 20:00 UTC. You should have all received an invitation already. The meeting will last 1 hour and as this is the first meeting, The Agenda for this first meeting: 0) Review Agenda 1) Introductions / Statements of Interest (SOIs) - All participants in the group must submit SOI. Most of you have already submitted one as you are members of the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures group. But anyone who has not done so is requested to take care of this. 2) Pick Leadership for the Track 4 Sub Team. This can be one person or several who share the responsibilities, it is up to the group. The requirement is for at least one person to take on the task. Responsibilities include: * Coordinating the efforts of the Sub Team * Communicating the status of the Sub Team to the rest of the leadership team and the full WG. This includes participating in a weekly leadership call to keep the work moving and coordinated. * Working with staff and the WG co-chairs as needed to get the work done, which includes developing the content for the full WG meetings and WG reports. * Acting with neutrality toward the Sub Team participants and the issues being dealt with within the group in the effort to help the group come to consensus on preliminary recommendations. All recommendation will be brought to the full group for discussion and possible approval as PDP WG recommendations. It would be great to start this discussion on the mailing list before the meeting on Thursday where anyone who wishes to volunteer speaks up. Also feel free to nominate those who you believe would be good in the role. Note that that 2 co-chairs of the full WG (Avri and I) have disqualified themselves from this role. We will remain involved as needed to assist the leaders and to coordinate with the full working group. A list of Sub Team participants can be found at < https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=60493251> The decision on Sub Team leadership is the first consensus decision the group needs to make. 3) Discussion on Sub Team meeting schedule. The current plan it to rotate all the Sub Team meetings between two time slots: 15UTC and 20UTC across all 5 days of the week. Each team will be expected to meet at least every other week, but will be able to meet more often if the Sub Team decides it is necessary. While scheduling outside these two time bands is theoretically possible, the current schedule of other meetings makes that challenging. It is also possible to add a third time band or to stick to a single 1 time slot as the Sub Team decides. 4) Walk through the work items for the Sub Team. These are found at < https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=60490781> Among the first tasks of the Sub Team will be to decide: * how they want to work through the issues, * to look at prioritization of issues * to refine the schedule currently posted for these activities. The current schedule is found at: <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/58001972/Policy%20Developm…> In this first meeting we will only talk through the work items for clarification, the work will start in earnest with the next meeting, but it would be good to keep these issues in mind. 5) AOB - if there is time. Jeffrey J. Neuman Senior Vice President |Valideus USA | Com Laude USA 1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600 Mclean, VA 22102, United States E: jeff.neuman(a)valideus.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@valideus.com> or jeff.neuman(a)comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com> T: +1.703.635.7514 M: +1.202.549.5079 @Jintlaw

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