+1 Best regards Katrin DOTZON GmbH - digital identities for tomorrow Akazienstrasse 28 10823 Berlin Deutschland - Germany Tel: +49 30 49802722 Fax: +49 30 49802727 Mobile: +49 173 2019240 ohlmer@dotzon.consulting<mailto:ohlmer@dotzon.consulting> www.dotzon.consulting<http://www.dotzon.consulting> DOTZON GmbH Registergericht: Amtsgericht Berlin-Charlottenburg, HRB 118598 Geschäftsführer: Katrin Ohlmer Sitz der Gesellschaft: Akazienstrasse 28, 10823 Berlin Von: Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org> Im Auftrag von Nick Wenban-Smith Gesendet: Freitag, 17. August 2018 18:21 An: Mike Rodenbaugh <mike@rodenbaugh.com> Cc: Edmon <edmon@dot.asia>; leonard obonyo via Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org> Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call on Country & Territory Names - Please review before our call. Hi Mike I don’t think anyone has yet claimed that countries own LL codes or LLL code; the RFC 1591 language speaks of the ccTLD manager being the trustee for the community it serves, and I think that principle still holds good in general terms and reflects a more holistic public benefit principle (yes as ever there are exceptions). Since the ISO3166 alpha 2 list is not static – new countries are recognised or countries reorganise themselves – unallocated LL combinations should continue to be kept out of the new gTLD programme. This also serves to maintain the distinction between the 2 letter ccTLDs and the 3+ letter gTLDs which has historically been a useful policy boundary. The alpha 3 list points are distinct but include that some of these (admittedly not all) have strong resonance with country names, and therefore they should not be part of the new gTLD programme, even if that does mean that some potentially great strings are unavailable (.GIN being my personal favourite). But as before the vast majority of the LLL combinations are still available. It’s starting to feel a bit like Groundhog Day here, I don’t think any new points are being brought up from when this was discussed as part of the relevant agenda in the WT5 meetings. The various discussion threads indicate (as could have been predicted) that various strongly held irreconcilable views continue to prevail. I think the draft initial report wording is correct in that in the absence of broad agreement we are basically required to stick to the 2012 rules. I thought we were trying to come up with some solutions for the terms which may have geo meanings which were NOT part of the 2012 AGB … the issues there make the LL and alpha 3 questions look relatively straightforward. In the meantime, it’s now been six years since the 2012 round, and an optimistic timeline to the next round is another three years minimum. We need to get a move on. Best wishes Nick From: Mike Rodenbaugh <mike@rodenbaugh.com> Sent: 17 August 2018 02:09 To: Nick Wenban-Smith <Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk> Cc: Edmon <edmon@dot.asia>; leonard obonyo via Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call on Country & Territory Names - Please review before our call. That over 600 very valuable 2- and 3-letter combos that could be TLDs, and yet are reserved for no legitimate reason. Countries certainly don't own LL codes that don't correspond to current countries. And they also don't "own" the 3-letter codes that do show up on an ISO list, merely because they are on that list. It seems to me that many in this group are reopening the discussion as to all other 'geo' terms, and so these valuable names need to be thrown back into the mix as well. Mike Rodenbaugh RODENBAUGH LAW tel/fax: +1.415.738.8087 http://rodenbaugh.com On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 8:22 PM, Nick Wenban-Smith <Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk<mailto:Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk>> wrote: Hi Mike Just to take the point here, the LL (all combinations 26 x 26 = 676 in total, of which approaching half are already in use as ccTLDs) plus the ISO 3166 alpha 3 LLL combinations which correspond to existing country and territory names (less than 300 of the 17,500 odd LLL combinations) can’t in any reasonable context be framed as ‘a large subset … reserved for no reasons whatsoever’. Up until now there seems to be a strong consensus for the long and short form country and territory names plus all the LL combinations and LLL combinations which correspond to ISO 3166 to continue to be excluded from any gTLD processes – for the reasons expressed on many threads up to this point about sovereignty over national assets and whether these could fall under domestic internet community policies (subsidiarity) or ICANN GNSO policies. If we can’t settle on that as for the 2012 AGB round then there will be a substantial opposition to any new gTLDs whatsoever so let’s not go there. I’ve said my piece on geo names falling below the hierarchy of capital cities; I think those are fair game for legit non geo uses. Best wishes Nick From: Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org>> On Behalf Of Mike Rodenbaugh Sent: 10 August 2018 03:35 To: Edmon <edmon@dot.asia<mailto:edmon@dot.asia>> Cc: leonard obonyo via Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call on Country & Territory Names - Please review before our call. Note the first sentence in the RFC that Alexander cites: "This memo provides information for the Internet community. This memo does not specify an Internet standard of any kind." Since this WT5 appears to want to reopen every "geographic" issue imaginable, we need to add 2-character LL and 3-character geo TLDs to the mix. That is a large subset of potentially very valuable and useful names, reserved for no legitimate reason whatsoever. Mike Rodenbaugh RODENBAUGH LAW tel/fax: +1.415.738.8087 http://rodenbaugh.com On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 5:32 PM, Edmon <edmon@dot.asia<mailto:edmon@dot.asia>> wrote: IDN "cc"TLDs already broke (free from) that also. Edmon -------- Original Message -------- From: Mike Rodenbaugh <mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>> Sent: 10 August 2018 2:43:34 AM GMT+10:00 To: Alexander Schubert <alexander@schubert.berlin<mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin>> Cc: "gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>" <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call on Country & Territory Names - Please review before our call. What purpose does that distinction serve anyone? I think it is meaningless and entirely unnecessary, depriving the world of many very valuable two-character TLDs that have no reason to be sitting idle. Mike Rodenbaugh RODENBAUGH LAW tel/fax: +1.415.738.8087 http://rodenbaugh.com On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 2:57 AM, Alexander Schubert < alexander@schubert.berlin<mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin>> wrote:
Dear Annabeth, dear Carlos,
I agree with Annabeth. RFC 1591 (who doesn't know it by heart: check ietf.org/rfc/rfc1591.txt<http://ietf.org/rfc/rfc1591.txt>) cemented the one and only real differentiator in the DNS: That there are ccTLDs; operated and organized by authority (which may be deligated like in .tv) of countries/nations. And that these are two character strings. That everything exceeding two characters are gTLDs.
If we want to keep this (rather artificial - but to date well working) BASE order of the DNS; we should refrain from assigning two character gTLDs. It's a TINY amount of potentially available strings anyway.
The two character vs more than two character distinction needs to be uphold; BOTH WAYS (no three letter ccTLDs).
Thanks,
Alexander
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-------- Original message -------- From: Annebeth Lange <annebeth.lange@norid.no<mailto:annebeth.lange@norid.no>> Date: 8/8/18 23:48 (GMT+02:00) To: Carlos Raul Gutierrez <carlosraul@gutierrez.se<mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se>> Cc: gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call on Country & Territory Names - Please review before our call.
Hi Carlos
Could I ask you for one clarification? If we open up for some 2-letter/letter combinations in the GNSO process, they will automatically be gTLDs. You don’t think that will disturb the distinction we have had from the beginning that 2-characters are ccTLDs and 3 or more gTLDs?
Kind regards, Annebeth
Annebeth B Lange Special Adviser International Policy UNINETT Norid AS Phone: +47 959 11 559 Mail: annebeth.lange@norid.no<mailto:annebeth.lange@norid.no>
8. aug. 2018 kl. 22:43 skrev Carlos Raul Gutierrez < carlosraul@gutierrez.se<mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se>>:
My comments to today's call:
1. “The ICANN Community may want to consider whether a future process should be established or determine if, when, and how specific interested parties, such as relevant government authorities, may apply for country and territory names” This paragraph is the only sensible part of a forward-looking recommendation and should/could be redrafted. I wonder if it could be enhanced, or if the only way to go is deletion as CW suggested. A shorter more concise version? A more “liberal” version? How about: “ICANN may consider applications by specific interested parties, such as relevant authorities, of strings that are not current or future countries or territories.” Ps: The text in Recommendation 1 “reserving ALL two character letter letter” combinations- can be enhanced. I wonder if it’s truly ALL, or if the potential for future countries and potential combinations is really much less broad? Could that be qualified somehow? I can’t think of a future .xx or .ññ country or territory and maybe we could tweak the language to open this a bit and garner broad community support to move forward.
2. Other than recommendation #1, I object strongly the text to "keep geo names from the delegation" in any other recommedation, unless a clear rationale is added to the recommendation
3. I hope no draft goes out before a substantial non-AGB names discussion has taken place, including to geographic related, cultural, linguistic and other social elements, ,like Apache Nation
Best regards
--- Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez carlosraul@gutierrez.se<mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se> +506 8837 7176 Aparatado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA
El 2018-08-08 05:09, Emily Barabas escribió:
Dear Work Track members,
Please find attached suggested revisions to the draft recommendations shared yesterday. Please note that this revised text includes clarifications and typo corrections only. Feedback on some of the more substantive issues will be discussed further on today's call.
Kind regards,
Emily
*From: *Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Martin Sutton <martin@brandregistrygroup.org<mailto:martin@brandregistrygroup.org>> *Date: *Monday, 6 August 2018 at 14:45 *To: *"gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>" <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>> *Subject: *[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call on Country & Territory Names - Please review before our call.
Dear Work Track members,
Please find below the proposed agenda for the WT5 call on Wednesday 8 August at 13:00 UTC:
1. Welcome/Agenda Review/SOI Updates 2. Review of Consensus Call Process and Work Plan 3. Consensus Call on Country and Territory Names 4. Wrap Up - Non-AGB Terms 5. AOB
On our upcoming call, the leadership team will introduce a work plan aimed at wrapping up WT5's work and delivering an Initial Report by the end of September. In maintaining this timeline, the leadership is seeking to ensure that Work Track 5 inputs can be effectively integrated into the work of the broader New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group in time for delivery of the PDP's Final Report. A copy of the work plan is attached.
As outlined in the work plan, the leadership team will be holding a series of consensus calls on potential recommendations to include in WT5's Initial Report. These will be introduced in clusters, with the first set of recommendations focusing on country and territory names. The draft recommendations, which will be discussed on Wednesday, are attached. *Work Track members are encouraged to review and provide feedback on these draft recommendations prior to the call on Wednesday*. The leadership team will officially open the consensus call on this topic following Wednesday's call. For more information on the consensus call process that will be followed, please see the GNSO Working Group Guidelines, Section 3.6: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/annex-1- gnso-wg-guidelines-18jun18-en.pdf [gnso.icann.org<http://gnso.icann.org>] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_sites_de...> .
If you need a dial out for the upcoming call or would like to send an apology, please email gnso-secs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org>.
Kind regards,
WT5 Co-Leads
Annebeth Lange
Javier Rua
Olga Cavalli
Martin Sutton
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