March 2016 - Gnso-newgtld-wg

Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group 21 March 2016
by Michelle DeSmyter March 22, 2016

March 22, 2016

Dear All, Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call held on Monday, 21 March 2016 at 22:00 UTC. MP3: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-21mar16-en.mp3 The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov> ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/IxmAAw Thank you. Kind regards, Michelle DeSmyter ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday, 21 March 2016 Michelle DeSmyter:Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call held on Monday, 21 March 2016 Michelle DeSmyter:If you do wish to speak during the call, please either dial into the audio bridge and give the operator the password NEW gTLD, OR click on the telephone icon at the top of the AC room to activate your AC mics. Please remember to mute your phone and mics when not talking. Vanda Scartezini:hi everyone!!! hope all arrived safe at home... Vanda Scartezini:will enter the call by phone. i will be mute here Gangesh Varma:Hello everyone. Will be on listening mode. any inputs will be through chatbox. Jeff Neuman:Hello all Yoshi Murakami(JPRS):Hi everyone. Vanda Scartezini:Avri it is ahrd to listen to you! Vanda Scartezini:hard Avri Doria:in what way? corinne cath:you sound soft and far away corinne cath:hello to all Khaled Koubaa:Hi everyone Avri Doria:well i am soft and far away. but have reaised my volume a bit. Vanda Scartezini:I could not hear you Avri Vanda Scartezini:I am in the phone bridge Vanda Scartezini:thank you Avri Carlos Raul (CCT-Review Liaison):there you go Avri Carlos Raul (CCT-Review Liaison):you let the conference call people say your name clear and loud! Michelle DeSmyter:Thank you Avri, that is noted Harold Arcos:Hi everyone, Jeff Neuman:congrats Greg Carlos Raul (CCT-Review Liaison):yes Carlos Raul (CCT-Review Liaison):loud and clear Jeff Phil Buckingham:Good evening . Sorry I am a little late. Carlton Samuels:Howdy all Mary Wong:@Jeff, the Council is currently preparing a draft response to the GAC Communique via a small group of Council volunteers. It is likely to be on the Council's agenda for the 14 April meeting. Rubens Kuhl:Since posting on the council list is limited, please ask the GNSO Secretariat to forward it, or just ask me or Carlos Raul to do it. Rubens Kuhl:Alan, audio is seriously impaired... corinne cath:anybody else getting that noise? Khaled Koubaa:we are not hearing you Khaled Koubaa:ah now ok Carlos Raul (CCT-Review Liaison):me! Carlos Raul (CCT-Review Liaison):;) Jeff Neuman:We have the GAC Secretariat as a member Carlton Samuels:For the record the timing issue - between CCT RT and this WG is noted. I will leave Carlos to update members of the working position of the CCT RT Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):Other GAC participants can be expected in the near future. Jeff Neuman:Thanks Tom! Jeff Neuman:We look forward to that. Carlton Samuels:@Carlos: Confirming the CCT RT position as outlined by Carlos. We committed to developing Early Warning Communiques to ensure we work in tandem Julie Hedlund:@Jeff: I don't have that answer. Sorry! Carlos Raul (CCT-Review Liaison):@Carlton: Txs Carlton! Good to have 2 CCT members on the group calls Carlos Raul (CCT-Review Liaison):yes Richard Padilla:Hello everyone sorry for being late had a problem connecting Richard Padilla:Hi Carlton, I'm back in T&T for now so in the same time zone Mary Wong:Follow up to Tom's comment - the Quick Look Mechanism was applied to all three of the most recent GNSO PDPs, including this one. Carlos Raul (CCT-Review Liaison):@Mary txs Steve Coates (Twitter):Thx, Mary. Klaus Stoll:Good idea! Klaus Stoll:Several rounds are justified given the complex topic Rubens Kuhl:Although more focused on the new gTLD program implementation, rather than policy, a good number of SGs and Cs posted comments about it at http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-new-gtld-draft-review-23sep15/ , and some policy issues were mentioned. Carlton Samuels:Hi Richard. Happy to see you here. Jannik Skou Thomsen Trampedach:Agree on approach - this DOES need structuere Richard Padilla:@Carlton, learning what the final purpose and processes to be born from this PDP Rubens Kuhl:ALAC, BC, IPC and RySG are on record for that public comment period. Julie Hedlund:I have taken the slides off sync so everyone can control them for themselves. Alan Greenberg:we do now have control Carlos Raul (CCT-Review Liaison)::) Carlos Raul (CCT-Review Liaison):no charges for that use of "rounds" @Jeff :) Steve Coates (Twitter):I keep correcting myself..."subsequent procedures." Vanda Scartezini:my concerns are under one or two topica, so I am ok. Rubens Kuhl:"New Thingies" Donna Austin, Neustar:I think you mean 'new.thingies' Carlos Raul (CCT-Review Liaison):the name sounds very respectable. lets leave it at that, but please don´t try to reduce it to "CWG PDP ngTLD SubP´s..........." Avri Doria:or next.thingies Rubens Kuhl:So, .thingies will be more contested in the next process than .app. Frederic Guillemaut SafeBrands:now they have a ral GDD team. Frederic Guillemaut SafeBrands:real team, with human beings. Vanda Scartezini: I beleive these pre qualification services available would be interesting . majority of applicants could not go further without some kind of external support and have them pre qualidfied will be more fair with the applicants that are new within this process. Jannik Skou Thomsen Trampedach:well those some 50 RSPs that passed last are I guess sort of pre-qualified already, arent they? Rubens Kuhl:Jannik, yes for some types of workloads. IDN support varied, for instance. Vanda Scartezini:now I believe they are Jannik Skou Thomsen Trampedach:Quality varies but none were forced to change RSP (or have I missed something?) Vanda Scartezini:but have a stamp - qualified will be good for new comers to select among them who will support their application Phil Buckingham:+ 1 jannik . yet cant do a accreditation programs for the financials. Technicals yes . Vanda Scartezini:sure, technical issues is the relvant - lots of new applicants needs to rely on backoffice services for techy issues Alan Greenberg:Also implication on reserve. (was money spent from it ever paid back?) Rubens Kuhl:Jannik, one applicant proposed running the registry himself and later changed to using an RSP. I will try locating the exact TLD. Rubens Kuhl:But that was one in almost 2,000. Phil Buckingham:A mixture - fixed and variable fee level Jannik Skou Thomsen Trampedach:I know quite a few have changed Provider (before delegation) have not heard of anyone being forced...but never mind - believe we have more important issues to work on ;-) Rubens Kuhl:Most of those who changed would have passed IE anyway, but changed to save on costs. Rubens Kuhl:Sales channels might be more of a challenge for developing countries than getting to sign the contract and operate the TLD. Vanda Scartezini:+ 1 rubens. lots of problem in this side. Jeff Neuman:lots of heavy breathing going on Vanda Scartezini:when alan talks noise is high Rubens Kuhl:It seems Darth Vader is a member of the WG. Richard Padilla:+1 Rubens lol Jannik Skou Thomsen Trampedach:Clarification To Chairs: To what degree is this group supposed to provide "detailed" implementation guidelines rather than addresing a principle frameworks with suggestions for "things/issues" to change/implement. Example: Is job done by suggesting we need categories of strings with requirements fit for each categories ? Or are we supposed to suggested exact criteria for each category (GEOs/Brands/cultural/non for profit TLDs etc? corinne cath:audio gone Rubens Kuhl:Audio works for me. Steve Coates (Twitter):I can hear fine. Carlos Raul (CCT-Review Liaison):you cant heqr me??? Martin Sutton:works ok Greg Shatan:Audio fine here on audio bridge Alan Greenberg:Adobe audi still ok Jeff Neuman:now we can corinne cath:you are back now - but its off and on Carlton Samuels:Yes I can hear Richard Padilla:yes Carlos I canhear you Phil Buckingham: + carlos - was budgeted at 500 originally Carlos Raul (CCT-Review Liaison):@eleeza may be the right person to ask for the excellent presetnation Xvber gave on applications fees in Marrakech to the CCT Review team. Carlos Raul (CCT-Review Liaison):sorry for the typos (big fat fingers) Alan Greenberg:SOMEONE will have to specify the details.... Rubens Kuhl:Link for the Xavier presentation: https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/58727546/New%20gTLD%20Prog… Carlos Raul (CCT-Review Liaison):Obrigado Rubens Eleeza Agopian:Thanks @Carlos. The presentation Xavier gave was on day 1 of the CCTRT's meeting in Marrakech. The AC recording can be found on this page. I will find the presentation itself and make sure staff shares with the PDP WG. Jannik Skou Thomsen Trampedach:to Chairs: Would advice we stick to "ideas" for content of changes at a high level...and not the exact procedures etc. Otherwise we will never be finished (and maybe staff with more time will be better at this...(did I say that?) Carlos Raul (CCT-Review Liaison):@eleeza txs Eleeza Agopian:oops. Missed the link! https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=58727546 Jeff Neuman:thanks for the link! Jannik Skou Thomsen Trampedach:to Jeff: Thx makes perfect sense - and understand why...but still as you say "dangerous " to expect too much detail from this group..(in my unexperienced view) Alan Greenberg:The challenge is to ensure that what we do NOT specify is in deed IMPLEMENTATION and not Policy. Mary Wong:@Jannik, you may be interested to know that recently a GNSO Working Group (the Policy & Implementation Working Group) recommended certain principles for policy making as well as a Consensus Policy Implementation Framework (among other recommendations) that were adopted by the GNSO Council and that presumably will serve as a general framework for PDP and implementation work as a result. Mary Wong:(and Alan and Avri, among others, were members of that Working Group :) Jannik Skou Thomsen Trampedach:thx Mary Phil Buckingham:Mary thks for the update - do you have a link to these principles Mary Wong:@Phil, here is the Final Report from that Working Group, containing all their recommendations as of June 2015: http://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/policy-implementation-recommendations-01jun… Phil Buckingham:Mary thks - excellent Frederic Guillemaut SafeBrands: we have that for registrars (2013, 2009 versions) Rubens Kuhl:I would add "Data Escrow" to registrant protections. Phil Buckingham:Jeff - yes true- re banks/ LOC especially re Japanese applicants Mary Wong:Public Comment Forum for recently released report on DNS abuse (per Jeff's request): https://www.icann.org/public-comments/new-gtld-safeguards-dns-abuse-2016-03… Mary Wong:And this is the draft report I believe Jeff mentioned in this regard: https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/reviews/dns-abuse/draft-safeguards-against-dn…. The overall work in addition is meant to feed into the work of the CCT Review Team. Rubens Kuhl:Minor detail on registry/registrar separation: the requirement for being different legal entities, opposed to separate accounting, surfaced in the middle of the process in an AGB revision. We can talk more about it when this is discussed in WS2. Steve Chan:To add to Mary's comment, there is a page dedicated to the DNS Abuse Review: https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/reviews/dns-abuse Mary Wong:@Jeff, yes - the Call for Volunteers was just published today, and that WG Charter was approved by the GNSO Council on 9 March. Mary Wong:The anticipated first WG meeting for RPMs is mid-April, and yes, that Charter explicltly calls for the avoidance of duplication as well as the appointment of a liaison between the two PDPs. Khaled Koubaa:https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-03-21-en Vanda Scartezini:brand applicants may be seeing differently registry/registrar separation. Carlos Raul (CCT-Review Liaison)::) Steve Chan:Language from the RPM PDP Charter Adoption: The GNSO Council directs, consistent with the Charter, that a liaison between this PDP Working Group and that for the PDP on New gTLD Subsequent Procedures be appointed as soon as both PDP Working Groups are convened, in order to assure consistent communication and coordination between the two Working Groups, including ensuring that any issues identified by either Working Group relating to existing or potential RPMs that are not covered by the scope of the respective Charters are referred to the appropriate Working Group by the GNSO Council in a timely manner. Carlos Raul (CCT-Review Liaison):a US dollar from Jeff inot the jar Mary Wong:To sign up for the RPM PDP, you can send in this form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1CdgDZpScmMpomzjc1jmPesHqa8TqZVx2oRpK5fscci…. You can sign up as either a Member or Observer only. Khaled Koubaa:another issue Mary Wong:@Jeff, the Board adopted those IGO-INGO recs that are NOT inconsistent with GAC Advice, they are (as you said) working on reconciling the remaining recs that are inconsistent. Greg Shatan:The GAC recs that were inconsistent with GNSO recs were adopted "temporarily" about two years ago.... Mary Wong:@Greg, yes - the interim protections adopted by the Board for these remain in place until there is a full resolution. Greg Shatan:Looks like the interim protections will be in place for the entire current round of gTLDs.,,, I know people who have had marriages shorter than those interim protections.... Rubens Kuhl:ICANN Legal has flip-flopped in the agreement jurisdiction issue for the last years. We would need to bring Legal to the PDP to sort out this question... are we allowed to do that ? Greg Shatan:I would not assume that the applicant gets to choose the jurisdiction... Greg Shatan:Who is scooping ice? Greg Shatan:We should be "liberal in what we receive" in terms of information from ICANN staff. Greg Shatan:But not without skepticism.... Phil Buckingham: CQ . Re principles , over arching AGB Each applicant should be evaluated on financial , technical and operational capability to be a Registry. Would this still apply Greg Shatan:Phil, that would prohibit my cat from applying. Again. :-( Kevin M. Kreuser:I can provide some (non-privileged) insights re ICANN legal Vanda Scartezini:tnak you for this clear process at this meeting. I will need to leave my office now. Robert Burlingame (Pillsbury):Thank you everyone. Excellent walk-through Jeff. Jeff Neuman:Thanks Kevin! Vanda Scartezini:see you next week Carlton Samuels:Thanks all! Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):thanks everyone good call ...talk on the 28th then... bye Jeff Neuman:Thanks all Christopher Niemi:Thanks Guillaume Pahud:thanks all Martin Sutton:thanks. Phil Buckingham:Jeff excellent Rudi Vansnick:thanks bye Frederic Guillemaut SafeBrands:Byes Richard Padilla 2:uthanks all Julie Hedlund:Thanks everyone! Greg Shatan:Bye all! Harold Arcos:thanks bye Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):Thanks Karen Day:bye all Rubens Kuhl:Thanks @ll! David Ackerman:thanks bye

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Actions: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG 10 March 2016
by Julie Hedlund March 10, 2016

March 10, 2016

Dear PDP WG members, Please see below the actions captured by staff from today’s meeting and let us know if you have comments, changes, or questions. Note that a transcript and MP3 also will be available. Kind regards, Julie Julie Hedlund, Policy Director Notes/Actions: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG Meeting, 10 March 2016 1. Welcome and Introductions Action Items: None. 2. New gTLD Program – History (please see attached document F2F History): Action Items: Staff will put Proof of Concept Report on the wiki: https://archive.icann.org/en/tlds/new-gtld-eval-31aug04.pdf. Staff will look for relevant MP3s. 3. Discussion on Work Organization / Work Plan (please see attached document Proposed Work Organization): Action items: The PDP WG members should look at the Work Organization/Work Plan and see whether or not the mapping of subjects makes sense. Jeff, Avri, Steve will coordinate with Jonathan to revise the Work Organization/Work Plan. The Chairs will keep the formal and informal contacts with the CCT Working Group. The PDP WG should seek participation from the GAC and ensure communication. 4. Next Steps: Next meeting is Monday, 21 March at 2200 UTC. A meeting notification has been sent to the list and a reminder will be sent.

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- Proposed Agenda
by Steve Chan March 9, 2016

March 9, 2016

Dear WG Members, Below, please find the proposed agenda for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures face to face session on 10 March 2016 at 0900 UTC in the Diamant conference room. 1. Welcome and Introductions 2. New gTLD Program History (please see attached document F2F History) 3. Discussion on Work Organization / Work Plan (please see attached document Proposed Work Organization) 4. Action Items / Next Steps Best, Steve Steven Chan Sr. Policy Manager ICANN 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 steve.chan(a)icann.org <mailto:steve.chan@icann.org> direct: +1.310.301.3886 mobile: +1.310.339.4410 tel: +1.310.301.5800 fax: +1.310.823.8649

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Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group 29 February 2016
by Michelle DeSmyter March 6, 2016

March 6, 2016

Dear All, Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call held on Monday, 29 February 2016 at 16:00 UTC. MP3: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-29feb16-en.mp3 The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov> ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/IxmAAw Thank you. Kind regards, Michelle DeSmyter ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday, 29 February 2016 Terri Agnew:Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call held on Monday, 29 February 2016 Terri Agnew:If you do wish to speak during the call, please either dial into the audio bridge and give the operator the password NEW gTLD, OR click on the telephone icon at the top of the AC room to activate your AC mics. Please remember to mute your phone and mics when not talking CarlosAlberto:Terry, Good evening CarlosAlberto:Terri Ayden Férdeline:Hello everyone Christopher Niemi:Hello Steve Coates (Twitter):Steve, do we have a passcode for audio? Steve Chan:@steve NEW GTLD Steve Coates (Twitter):Awesome. Thx! Harold Arcos:Hello all, hope all have a good day Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):audio?? Vanda Scartezini:hi everyone Vanda Scartezini:yes Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):ok Julie Hedlund:Loud and clear Jeff Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):we have audio Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):txs Vanda Scartezini:ok Greg Shatan:Hello, all. Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:Jeff, are you able to read chats but do not write chats ? CHERYL Langdon-Orr:Hi All Mary Wong:@TwitterSteve - hey! Greg Shatan:I guess "Twit" would not be appropriate.... Vanda Scartezini:adobe today was falling all the time Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):not too hard please Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):my adobe just got disconnected for a few seconds too Khaled Koubaa:Hi everyone Stefania Milan:Hi everyone, apologies for the delay in joining. Steve Chan:WG Membership page: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=58001978 Grace Mutung'u:hi everyone. May I please record Judy Okite's apologies? She is indisposed Michelle DeSmyter:Yes, thank you Grace - I will note her apology Robin Gross:Good morning! Richard Padilla:Afternoon everyone Grace Mutung'u:Thanks Michelle Phil Buckingham:good afternoon Michelle DeSmyter:You are quite welcome! Ayden Férdeline:yes we can Steve Avri Doria:so the leadership is old timer, mid timer and new timer. Steve Chan:I think I need a better nickname Kiran Malancharuvil:Sorry to be late. Donna Austin, Neustar:@Steve, we could just call you Stevie Steve Chan:@Donna ... Avri Doria:i think we all see chairing as a service role. Khaled Koubaa:Thanks LTeam:) CHERYL Langdon-Orr:Yes @avri I think we all expect the Chairing per se to be neutral in manner Steve Coates (Twitter):@Donna. I love it. Steve Chan:22:00 UTC CHERYL Langdon-Orr:0300 evry secnd call * Far* friendlier than most GNO calls !!! Khaled Koubaa:on schedule : fair enough Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):one hour calls? David Ackerman:which time on the 21st, 16:00 or 22:00? Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):1 hour and 1/2, thank you CHERYL Langdon-Orr:I hope 2200 :-) David Ackerman:yes 22:00 in the notes Julie Hedlund:@Cheryl: Yes, 2200 UTC as the rotation on 21 March liz williasm:do we have a draft work program already that we can comment on? And also the linkages between other work? Ayden Férdeline:forgive me, "DG" is an acronym for...? Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:Discussion Group Ayden Férdeline:thank you Karen Bernstein:Sorry I'm late. I was thrown off by the e-mail that was sent in the middle of the night that said the meeting time was rescheduled. Mary Wong:@Ayden, the Discussion Group was formed by the GNSO COuncil before this PDP to scope out the issues, resulting in the categories and lists that are in our Working Group Charter and that Steve C is going through now. liz williasm:Is it proposed to split out the questions to small groups AFTER deciding yes (or no!) to the first question? If yes, then those work streams are relatively easy to examine and provide recommendations to the main group. Ayden Férdeline:thank you for this background, Mary Jeff Neuman (Valideus):@Liz, yes the plan is to work on the "Foundational" questions as a larger group and then breaking down into subteams afterwards Julie Mowers - Amazon 2:My apologies, I have to drop early as I had a conflict I was unable to move. Robin Gross:What if the answer to Q.1 is "No"? Is it within the scope of this group to "fix" existing new gtld procuedures (the things we got wrong last time)? liz williasm:OK -- that reflects the previous 2005 PDP and that Q1 can likely be answered by email and acclamation...If there is no, then we can stop. Doubt that is the case but we can easily do a quick poll. Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):My apologies as well, as I will ahve to leave at the top of the hour as I had sheduled only 60 minutes today. Will be prepared for a longer call in 3 weeks. Jeff Neuman (Valideus):@Robin...I will address that in a few minutes, but good question Robin Gross:ok - thanks! Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:Robin, my interpretation is if Q.1 answer is "No", we just end the WG saying that new rounds should follow the same procedures as 2012-round. Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):@Steve + the Nielsen and Analysis studies liz williasm:@Ruben & Robin...then you would assume that we would have a lot of analysis and reports about what to do better from the 2012 round. In my view, that piece of work should be done anyway Khaled Koubaa:@Robin : I expect that the obvious answer will be yes :) CHERYL Langdon-Orr:ALAC is involved in Many of the listed initiatived and work Steve Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:@Khaled, even ICANN staff revisionist historians seem to think that something should be changed... CHERYL Langdon-Orr:I serve for eg on CWG ON CTN as TLDs liz williasm:@ Steve we really must have a GAC liaison immediately...many of the issues that arose in the 2000, 2004 and 2012 rounds were directly related to out of sync GAC interventions. Vanda Scartezini:looks good the organization. Alan Greenberg 2:We have also just revived our work in conjunction with the GAC on requirements for sensitive gTLDs (thoise identified in the GAC Beijing Communique as Category 1, Safeguards 1-8. Khaled Koubaa:+1 to @Liz comment on GAC Alan Greenberg 2:Strongly support Liz. In fact, we need more active participation from GAC people. Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:@Liz, due to the way GAC makes decisions, it's always hard for them to appoint liaisons. Not impossible, we should try, but we can't count on it. Alan Greenberg 2:That will be the only way to avoid what happened last time. Vanda Scartezini:+ 1 Liz. I ahve been in GAC in the past and believe this is relevant indeed. CHERYL Langdon-Orr:Agree @Liz GAC Liaison is going to be a key Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):The GAC has a formal procedure for participating in PDPs.... Vanda Scartezini:i certainly can help with this liz williasm:@Rubens...it is never impossible to do greater communication and consultation, even if it is not binding/advisory...Communication at all times is absolutely key...and there is no reason for the GAC/GNSO nexus to not evolve and develop...it is critical. Khaled Koubaa:@Steve : it would be good if you can circulate the 2007 Rinal Report to the wider group so new comers can find their ways and refresh Jon Nevett:Coordinate with Mason as liaison? CHERYL Langdon-Orr:perfecr Jeff masn should be able to ahndle that just fine CHERYL Langdon-Orr:sorry re typos (ty CHERYL Langdon-Orr:typing in the dark at 0330 here in AU ;-) Susan Payne - Valideus:@Alan, agree but it is very difficult to get the GAC to actually participate - in the country and territory names WG they just do not show up Richard Padilla:Can barely hear Avri Ayden Férdeline:please can you speak louder Alan Greenberg:@Susan, yes, difficult. the alternative, having lived through it before, is scary. Mary Wong:@Avri, thank you - yes, there is a Quick look Mechanism that has been developed by the GAC-GNSO Consultation Group. Mary Wong:Which involves early notification of the GAC of new GNSO PDPs. Steve Chan:@Khaled - you can find background material, including the 2007 Final Report, here: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=58001980 CHERYL Langdon-Orr:yes @Mary which is why asking Mason th sort things is essential Khaled Koubaa:@Steve : thanks ( I was not talking about myself :) ) Vanda Scartezini:if GAC does not agree then MAson will make the one way task to tell then which way we are going... liz williasm:@ Jeff ... I can do that 2007 overview if you like? I was the lead staff person on the PDP at the time.... Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:AGB departs from GNSO Policy in very significant ways... AGB looks more like a starting point for me. liz williasm:@jeff...forget that...i can support Avri if she needs it. Avri Doria:AGB is not policy though. Robin Gross:One thing we should look at is where the AGB differs from approved policy Avri Doria:and was developed befor the GNSO had a notion of implementation teams. Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:"Code is Law" ; even though it was about running software code, this seems to fit policy implementation. Avri Doria:the is also post AGB implementation that needs to be considered. liz williasm:@ Robin that is a monumental task and one which must be done...there are so many examples that are critical but it could easily be done in a table. Mary Wong:On the question of GAC members in this Working Group - there are several observers who identify as from the GAC. From the members' list, currently only Tom Dale - GAC Secretariat - is listed. Tom presumably follows the Group's discussions and reports to the GAC in his capacity as Secretariat lead for them (especially since neither he nor indeed any GAC member can represent the GAC formally or offiicially). Steve Chan:http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/new-gtlds/pdp-dec05-fr-parta-08aug07.h… Julie Hedlund:@Jeff: Here is the link and I'll include it in the notes: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=58001980 Phil Buckingham:+ 1 Robin + 1 Liz yes table format Julie Hedlund:All - the link Steve Chan sent is the better one. Robin Gross:Some of the principles were not implemented the first time (like the principle about free expression) Steve Coates (Twitter):@Robin, I think we have an opportunity to add that to the agenda Phil Buckingham:Co chairs - do we have a target date for completion ? Robin Gross:Great, Steve! Khaled Koubaa:Agree totally with Avri point Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:There is also the possibility that we might prefer to follow the actual implementation due to keeping things more homogenous, which is a scale requirement. So we might have to document the new policies matching 2012 implementation, if we believe it's better to keep those, instead of the 2007 policies. liz williasm:@Alan the implication costs are significant and must not be underestimated. there were direct and absolute additional costs for many applicants which were unacceptable. Jon Nevett:Do we want to do a survey of the 2012 applicants? Robin Gross:yes, let's survey the applicants. Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:It's usually bad luck to establish dates, as they are more prone to slip through. liz williasm:@Jon yes...a good idea so that we can quantify the impact on applicants. I wold volunteer to derive the survey questions and collate the data. Christa Taylor:+1 to survey - it would be great insight Khaled Koubaa:Well surve may be one of tools. Other tolls may be discussed as well. Mary Wong:To follow on Avri's last point, another new development in the GNSO is the use of Implementation Review Teams, comprising community members (volunteers) working with ICANN staff (primarily operational staff from the Global Domains Division and others) to try to ensure that implementation matches the intent of the GNSO policy. This was recently recommended (by the Policy & Implementation Working Group) to be mandatory for all PDPs going forward, save for exceptional circumstances. CHERYL Langdon-Orr:Excellent @Liz Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:People who commented on gTLD applications might have interesting feedback as well. Vanda Scartezini:sorry my connection dropped.. CarlosAlberto:+1 for survey liz williasm:I volunteer to come up with a set of questions for applicants. Anyone else want to help with that datagathering task, let me know. Nathaniel Edwards:Objecters from the last round should participate in any survey CHERYL Langdon-Orr:agree @Nathaniel Phil Buckingham:+1 Jon great idea Karen Bernstein:+1 liz williasm:what time is the Marrakech meeting time? Steve Chan:@Jeff, meeting time: Next meeting is in Marrakech on 10 March at 0900 to 1030 UTC Steve Chan:Actually, Next meeting is in Marrakech on 10 March at 0900 to 1030 local time Mary Wong:More details and remote participation details will be posted here: https://meetings.icann.org/en/marrakech55/schedule/thu-new-gtld-subsequent-… Khaled Koubaa:I may be have not seen it. Do we have the agenda of Marrakech meeting ? Khaled Koubaa:Thanks Stefania Milan:could the ppt presentation be shared somehow? CHERYL Langdon-Orr:thanks everyone... bye for now... Talk soon and see some of you in Marrakech Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):ok! we made it in 1 hour!!!! safe travels to everybody traveling. Khaled Koubaa:Safe travel everyone Vanda Scartezini:thank you all. going well.. see you in MArrakech Denise Michel:thanks. byes Sara Bockey:Thank you all. Safe travels! Vanda Scartezini:safe trip to all Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone and see you soon! Christa Taylor:Thanks! Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:Safe travels! Susan Payne - Valideus:great, thanks CarlosAlberto:Thank you all Christopher Niemi:Thank you Karen Bernstein:Safe travels! Frederic Guillemaut:thank you all bye Ayden Férdeline:I look forward to meeting everyone in Marrakech. Safe travels to all Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:Bye! Robin Gross:Thanks all- bye! CarlosAlberto:bye Jeff Neuman (Valideus):Thanks1 Harold Arcos:Thanks all,,,good trip,, Richard Padilla:thanks bye Yoshi Murakami(JPRS):Thank you Greg Shatan:Bye all! Grace Mutung'u:thanks Robert Burlingame:Thank you everyone! Steve Chan:Thanks everyone

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to all women in this group DNS WOMEN
by Vanda Scartezini March 5, 2016

March 5, 2016

Dear friends, We wil have, as each meeting, our DNS WOMEN Breakfast this Monday 7th – at 7 AM – and we have nobel prize women from Tunisia with us there!!! -LOCATION – JARDAIN ANDALOUSS – inside the ICANN venue complex Please join us this time!!!!! Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: <gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Marilia Maciel via Gnso-newgtld-wg Reply-To: Marilia Maciel Date: Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 10:11 AM To: Michelle DeSmyter Cc: "gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org>", "gnso-newgtld-wg(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org>" Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group 29 February 2016 Thank you, Michelle. Could we have access to the slides presented by staff with the proposed workflow of the group? That would be very helpful. Thanks and best regards, Marília On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Michelle DeSmyter via Gnso-newgtld-wg <gnso-newgtld-wg(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org>> wrote: Dear All, Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call held on Monday, 29 February 2016 at 16:00 UTC. MP3: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-29feb16-en.mp3 The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov> ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/IxmAAw Thank you. Kind regards, Michelle DeSmyter ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday, 29 February 2016 Terri Agnew:Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call held on Monday, 29 February 2016 Terri Agnew:If you do wish to speak during the call, please either dial into the audio bridge and give the operator the password NEW gTLD, OR click on the telephone icon at the top of the AC room to activate your AC mics. Please remember to mute your phone and mics when not talking CarlosAlberto:Terry, Good evening CarlosAlberto:Terri Ayden Férdeline:Hello everyone Christopher Niemi:Hello Steve Coates (Twitter):Steve, do we have a passcode for audio? Steve Chan:@steve NEW GTLD Steve Coates (Twitter):Awesome. Thx! Harold Arcos:Hello all, hope all have a good day Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):audio?? Vanda Scartezini:hi everyone Vanda Scartezini:yes Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):ok Julie Hedlund:Loud and clear Jeff Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):we have audio Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):txs Vanda Scartezini:ok Greg Shatan:Hello, all. Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:Jeff, are you able to read chats but do not write chats ? CHERYL Langdon-Orr:Hi All Mary Wong:@TwitterSteve - hey! Greg Shatan:I guess "Twit" would not be appropriate.... Vanda Scartezini:adobe today was falling all the time Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):not too hard please Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):my adobe just got disconnected for a few seconds too Khaled Koubaa:Hi everyone Stefania Milan:Hi everyone, apologies for the delay in joining. Steve Chan:WG Membership page: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=58001978 Grace Mutung'u:hi everyone. May I please record Judy Okite's apologies? She is indisposed Michelle DeSmyter:Yes, thank you Grace - I will note her apology Robin Gross:Good morning! Richard Padilla:Afternoon everyone Grace Mutung'u:Thanks Michelle Phil Buckingham:good afternoon Michelle DeSmyter:You are quite welcome! Ayden Férdeline:yes we can Steve Avri Doria:so the leadership is old timer, mid timer and new timer. Steve Chan:I think I need a better nickname Kiran Malancharuvil:Sorry to be late. Donna Austin, Neustar:@Steve, we could just call you Stevie Steve Chan:@Donna ... Avri Doria:i think we all see chairing as a service role. Khaled Koubaa:Thanks LTeam:) CHERYL Langdon-Orr:Yes @avri I think we all expect the Chairing per se to be neutral in manner Steve Coates (Twitter):@Donna. I love it. Steve Chan:22:00 UTC CHERYL Langdon-Orr:0300 evry secnd call * Far* friendlier than most GNO calls !!! Khaled Koubaa:on schedule : fair enough Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):one hour calls? David Ackerman:which time on the 21st, 16:00 or 22:00? Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):1 hour and 1/2, thank you CHERYL Langdon-Orr:I hope 2200 :-) David Ackerman:yes 22:00 in the notes Julie Hedlund:@Cheryl: Yes, 2200 UTC as the rotation on 21 March liz williasm:do we have a draft work program already that we can comment on? And also the linkages between other work? Ayden Férdeline:forgive me, "DG" is an acronym for...? Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:Discussion Group Ayden Férdeline:thank you Karen Bernstein:Sorry I'm late. I was thrown off by the e-mail that was sent in the middle of the night that said the meeting time was rescheduled. Mary Wong:@Ayden, the Discussion Group was formed by the GNSO COuncil before this PDP to scope out the issues, resulting in the categories and lists that are in our Working Group Charter and that Steve C is going through now. liz williasm:Is it proposed to split out the questions to small groups AFTER deciding yes (or no!) to the first question? If yes, then those work streams are relatively easy to examine and provide recommendations to the main group. Ayden Férdeline:thank you for this background, Mary Jeff Neuman (Valideus):@Liz, yes the plan is to work on the "Foundational" questions as a larger group and then breaking down into subteams afterwards Julie Mowers - Amazon 2:My apologies, I have to drop early as I had a conflict I was unable to move. Robin Gross:What if the answer to Q.1 is "No"? Is it within the scope of this group to "fix" existing new gtld procuedures (the things we got wrong last time)? liz williasm:OK -- that reflects the previous 2005 PDP and that Q1 can likely be answered by email and acclamation...If there is no, then we can stop. Doubt that is the case but we can easily do a quick poll. Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):My apologies as well, as I will ahve to leave at the top of the hour as I had sheduled only 60 minutes today. Will be prepared for a longer call in 3 weeks. Jeff Neuman (Valideus):@Robin...I will address that in a few minutes, but good question Robin Gross:ok - thanks! Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:Robin, my interpretation is if Q.1 answer is "No", we just end the WG saying that new rounds should follow the same procedures as 2012-round. Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):@Steve + the Nielsen and Analysis studies liz williasm:@Ruben & Robin...then you would assume that we would have a lot of analysis and reports about what to do better from the 2012 round. In my view, that piece of work should be done anyway Khaled Koubaa:@Robin : I expect that the obvious answer will be yes :) CHERYL Langdon-Orr:ALAC is involved in Many of the listed initiatived and work Steve Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:@Khaled, even ICANN staff revisionist historians seem to think that something should be changed... CHERYL Langdon-Orr:I serve for eg on CWG ON CTN as TLDs liz williasm:@ Steve we really must have a GAC liaison immediately...many of the issues that arose in the 2000, 2004 and 2012 rounds were directly related to out of sync GAC interventions. Vanda Scartezini:looks good the organization. Alan Greenberg 2:We have also just revived our work in conjunction with the GAC on requirements for sensitive gTLDs (thoise identified in the GAC Beijing Communique as Category 1, Safeguards 1-8. Khaled Koubaa:+1 to @Liz comment on GAC Alan Greenberg 2:Strongly support Liz. In fact, we need more active participation from GAC people. Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:@Liz, due to the way GAC makes decisions, it's always hard for them to appoint liaisons. Not impossible, we should try, but we can't count on it. Alan Greenberg 2:That will be the only way to avoid what happened last time. Vanda Scartezini:+ 1 Liz. I ahve been in GAC in the past and believe this is relevant indeed. CHERYL Langdon-Orr:Agree @Liz GAC Liaison is going to be a key Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):The GAC has a formal procedure for participating in PDPs.... Vanda Scartezini:i certainly can help with this liz williasm:@Rubens...it is never impossible to do greater communication and consultation, even if it is not binding/advisory...Communication at all times is absolutely key...and there is no reason for the GAC/GNSO nexus to not evolve and develop...it is critical. Khaled Koubaa:@Steve : it would be good if you can circulate the 2007 Rinal Report to the wider group so new comers can find their ways and refresh Jon Nevett:Coordinate with Mason as liaison? CHERYL Langdon-Orr:perfecr Jeff masn should be able to ahndle that just fine CHERYL Langdon-Orr:sorry re typos (ty CHERYL Langdon-Orr:typing in the dark at 0330 here in AU ;-) Susan Payne - Valideus:@Alan, agree but it is very difficult to get the GAC to actually participate - in the country and territory names WG they just do not show up Richard Padilla:Can barely hear Avri Ayden Férdeline:please can you speak louder Alan Greenberg:@Susan, yes, difficult. the alternative, having lived through it before, is scary. Mary Wong:@Avri, thank you - yes, there is a Quick look Mechanism that has been developed by the GAC-GNSO Consultation Group. Mary Wong:Which involves early notification of the GAC of new GNSO PDPs. Steve Chan:@Khaled - you can find background material, including the 2007 Final Report, here: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=58001980 CHERYL Langdon-Orr:yes @Mary which is why asking Mason th sort things is essential Khaled Koubaa:@Steve : thanks ( I was not talking about myself :) ) Vanda Scartezini:if GAC does not agree then MAson will make the one way task to tell then which way we are going... liz williasm:@ Jeff ... I can do that 2007 overview if you like? I was the lead staff person on the PDP at the time.... Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:AGB departs from GNSO Policy in very significant ways... AGB looks more like a starting point for me. liz williasm:@jeff...forget that...i can support Avri if she needs it. Avri Doria:AGB is not policy though. Robin Gross:One thing we should look at is where the AGB differs from approved policy Avri Doria:and was developed befor the GNSO had a notion of implementation teams. Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:"Code is Law" ; even though it was about running software code, this seems to fit policy implementation. Avri Doria:the is also post AGB implementation that needs to be considered. liz williasm:@ Robin that is a monumental task and one which must be done...there are so many examples that are critical but it could easily be done in a table. Mary Wong:On the question of GAC members in this Working Group - there are several observers who identify as from the GAC. From the members' list, currently only Tom Dale - GAC Secretariat - is listed. Tom presumably follows the Group's discussions and reports to the GAC in his capacity as Secretariat lead for them (especially since neither he nor indeed any GAC member can represent the GAC formally or offiicially). Steve Chan:http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/new-gtlds/pdp-dec05-fr-parta-08aug07.h… Julie Hedlund:@Jeff: Here is the link and I'll include it in the notes: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=58001980 Phil Buckingham:+ 1 Robin + 1 Liz yes table format Julie Hedlund:All - the link Steve Chan sent is the better one. Robin Gross:Some of the principles were not implemented the first time (like the principle about free expression) Steve Coates (Twitter):@Robin, I think we have an opportunity to add that to the agenda Phil Buckingham:Co chairs - do we have a target date for completion ? Robin Gross:Great, Steve! Khaled Koubaa:Agree totally with Avri point Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:There is also the possibility that we might prefer to follow the actual implementation due to keeping things more homogenous, which is a scale requirement. So we might have to document the new policies matching 2012 implementation, if we believe it's better to keep those, instead of the 2007 policies. liz williasm:@Alan the implication costs are significant and must not be underestimated. there were direct and absolute additional costs for many applicants which were unacceptable. Jon Nevett:Do we want to do a survey of the 2012 applicants? Robin Gross:yes, let's survey the applicants. Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:It's usually bad luck to establish dates, as they are more prone to slip through. liz williasm:@Jon yes...a good idea so that we can quantify the impact on applicants. I wold volunteer to derive the survey questions and collate the data. Christa Taylor:+1 to survey - it would be great insight Khaled Koubaa:Well surve may be one of tools. Other tolls may be discussed as well. Mary Wong:To follow on Avri's last point, another new development in the GNSO is the use of Implementation Review Teams, comprising community members (volunteers) working with ICANN staff (primarily operational staff from the Global Domains Division and others) to try to ensure that implementation matches the intent of the GNSO policy. This was recently recommended (by the Policy & Implementation Working Group) to be mandatory for all PDPs going forward, save for exceptional circumstances. CHERYL Langdon-Orr:Excellent @Liz Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:People who commented on gTLD applications might have interesting feedback as well. Vanda Scartezini:sorry my connection dropped.. CarlosAlberto:+1 for survey liz williasm:I volunteer to come up with a set of questions for applicants. Anyone else want to help with that datagathering task, let me know. Nathaniel Edwards:Objecters from the last round should participate in any survey CHERYL Langdon-Orr:agree @Nathaniel Phil Buckingham:+1 Jon great idea Karen Bernstein:+1 liz williasm:what time is the Marrakech meeting time? Steve Chan:@Jeff, meeting time: Next meeting is in Marrakech on 10 March at 0900 to 1030 UTC Steve Chan:Actually, Next meeting is in Marrakech on 10 March at 0900 to 1030 local time Mary Wong:More details and remote participation details will be posted here: https://meetings.icann.org/en/marrakech55/schedule/thu-new-gtld-subsequent-… Khaled Koubaa:I may be have not seen it. Do we have the agenda of Marrakech meeting ? Khaled Koubaa:Thanks Stefania Milan:could the ppt presentation be shared somehow? CHERYL Langdon-Orr:thanks everyone... bye for now... Talk soon and see some of you in Marrakech Carlos Raul (CCT Liaison):ok! we made it in 1 hour!!!! safe travels to everybody traveling. Khaled Koubaa:Safe travel everyone Vanda Scartezini:thank you all. going well.. see you in MArrakech Denise Michel:thanks. byes Sara Bockey:Thank you all. Safe travels! Vanda Scartezini:safe trip to all Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone and see you soon! Christa Taylor:Thanks! Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:Safe travels! Susan Payne - Valideus:great, thanks CarlosAlberto:Thank you all Christopher Niemi:Thank you Karen Bernstein:Safe travels! Frederic Guillemaut:thank you all bye Ayden Férdeline:I look forward to meeting everyone in Marrakech. Safe travels to all Rubens Kuhl - NIC.br:Bye! Robin Gross:Thanks all- bye! CarlosAlberto:bye Jeff Neuman (Valideus):Thanks1 Harold Arcos:Thanks all,,,good trip,, Richard Padilla:thanks bye Yoshi Murakami(JPRS):Thank you Greg Shatan:Bye all! Grace Mutung'u:thanks Robert Burlingame:Thank you everyone! Steve Chan:Thanks everyone _______________________________________________ Gnso-newgtld-wg mailing list Gnso-newgtld-wg(a)icann.org<mailto:Gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg -- Marília Maciel Pesquisadora Gestora - Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio Researcher and Coordinator - Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts DiploFoundation associate - www.diplomacy.edu<http://www.diplomacy.edu> PoliTICs Magazine Advisory Committee - http://www.politics.org.br/ Subscribe "Digital Rights: Latin America & the Caribbean" - http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en

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Reminder audio connection for remote participants ICANN55
by Nathalie Peregrine March 4, 2016

March 4, 2016

Dear all, In the event that you would like to join the ICANN55 meetings remotely, we would like to remind you that several options are available to connect via audio. 1. The audio bridge. This is by far the most reliable connection. You need to dial in via telephone and provide the audio passcode orally to the operator. All GNSO open dial in information can be found here: https://community.icann.org/x/YRmAAw 2. Audio in Adobe Connect room: This is streaming only, so all questions/ comments must be made in the chat, or via the telephone. AC rooms are also posted here: https://community.icann.org/x/YRmAAw 3. Audio cast live stream which can be found on the meeting page of the meeting you would like to listen in on, from the main meeting schedule. <https://meetings.icann.org/en/marrakech55/schedule-full> Please let us know if you have many questions. If you do require a telephone dial out, please email gnso-secs(a)icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> specifying the title and time and date of the session concerned. Kind regards Nathalie

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