Dear List, Regarding the message from Rubens and the message from JAS Advisors, 1. There is, as far as I know as a member of the NCAP Discussion Group, at least one response to the RFP on Study 1 for the Name Collision Analysis Project, so there is a dependency to Sub Pro recommendations. (NCAP Recommendations will go directly to the Board as well but Rubens and Jeff are both members of the NCAP Discussion Group. Jeff has stated that his purpose is to coordinate with them.) 2. I note that JAS Advisors says in its email that its Final Report on Name Collisions stands and Rubens has made some points about that. I don’t recall Work Track 4 actually taking the time to review that report in full. A copy is attached. 3. I have also taken a section from the Final Report and its recommendations that is referred to by JAS in the new email in its discussion of .corp and other high risk strings. It’s clear JAS recommended total reservation of .HOME, .CORP, and .MAIL in its Final Report, i.e. that none of these be delegated going forward. And it’s clear from the email that JAS recommends a way of identifying similar high risk strings be developed. I think Work Track 4 referred to this in its tentative recommendations as “developing a DO NOT APPLY” list. The Final Report is very long – but the summary of recommendations appears early on. These are worth your consideration prior to the Monday call. Thank you, Anne From: Gnso-newgtld-wg <gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Jeff Neuman Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 12:04 PM To: Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br>; gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] [NCAP-Discuss] Fwd: [Ext] JAS no-bid on NCAP Study 1 [EXTERNAL] ________________________________ Thanks Rubens for forwarding all of the communication. Please note that Name Collisions is on our agenda most likely next Monday if all goes according to the Work Plan. Jeff Neuman Senior Vice President Com Laude | Valideus D: +1.703.635.7514 E: jeff.neuman@comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com> From: Gnso-newgtld-wg <gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org>> On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 10:38 AM To: gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] [NCAP-Discuss] Fwd: [Ext] JAS no-bid on NCAP Study 1 As a follow-up, there is an interesting thread of discussions in the NCAP list regarding this topic after the message I forwarded; it can be followed even by non-subscribers using the list archive: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ncap-discuss/2019-September/thread.html Rubens Em 3 de set de 2019, à(s) 18:18:000, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br<mailto:rubensk@nic.br>> escreveu: This message distributed in the name collisions project list touches 3 discussion topics from WT4 and the full WG: - JAS Advisors believe the NCAP Study 1 provides no actual new content. I agree with their assessment, and already factored that in my opinion that there is no dependency between NCAP and SubPro for the policy part, even though is possible that NCAP studies 2 and 3, if they are ever commissioned, could interrelate in implementation. - JAS Advisors makes a suggestion regarding the next procedures that we can check if it was already factored or not in the report or already mentioned by any other commenter. - JAS Advisors makes a point regarding a topic that is in our charter but hasn't been discussed so far, name collisions in current gTLDs. Rubens Início da mensagem encaminhada: De: Matt Larson <matt.larson@icann.org<mailto:matt.larson@icann.org>> Assunto: [NCAP-Discuss] Fwd: [Ext] JAS no-bid on NCAP Study 1 Data: 3 de setembro de 2019 13:47:32 BRT Para: "ncap-discuss@icann.org<mailto:ncap-discuss@icann.org>" <ncap-discuss@icann.org<mailto:ncap-discuss@icann.org>> Dear colleagues, David Conrad and I thought the email below from Jeff Schmidt (who is known to most of you based on his firm's previous work on name collisions) was worth forwarding to this group, which we are doing with Jeff's permission. Matt Begin forwarded message: From: Jeff Schmidt <jschmidt@jasadvisors.com<mailto:jschmidt@jasadvisors.com>> Subject: [Ext] JAS no-bid on NCAP Study 1 Date: August 27, 2019 at 11:25:49 AM EDT To: Roy Arends <roy.arends@icann.org<mailto:roy.arends@icann.org>>, Matt Larson <matt.larson@icann.org<mailto:matt.larson@icann.org>>, David Conrad <david.conrad@icann.org<mailto:david.conrad@icann.org>> Hello Team ICANN! JAS elected not to bid on the NCAP Study 1; thank you for the invitation and please keep us in mind for Study 2 if such a study occurs. Our primary rationale for not bidding on Study 1 is simply that we don’t believe we have anything useful to add to the discussion given the limited scope of Study 1. We believe that at this point DNS namespace collisions are well understood (albeit by a relatively small technical community) and that any further work product from JAS would largely be a restatement of our October 2015 Final Report. In the three years since our Final Report, our conclusions have been shown to be largely correct and the mitigation strategy we proposed (“Controlled Interruption”) has had the desired effects. Many TLDs have been delegated and used in a variety of fashions at this point and – as we suggested – the few problems that surfaced were isolated and not serious. Our definition of DNS namespace collisions and the causes/etiology as described in Sections 4 and 5 of our report still hold. At the end of the day, we can’t take your money if we don’t believe we have anything useful to add. ;-) The one glaring failure and our great disappointment is that the IETF has refused to take-up our Recommendation #1 to clearly create an RFC 1918-like protected namespace for local use. Until this happens, DNS namespace collisions will continue to occur; however, increased awareness should reduce the risk of widespread serious future problems (with the “corp-like” exception noted below). Given the lack of clarity of RFC 6762 (including errata), this issue will persist until folks are told unambiguously the *right* way to do this. We believe the datasets available to research collisions are also fairly well known – the DNS-OARC DITL data, data that may be made available from large recursive operators, and authoritative data acquired by acquiring/hosting known colliding domains (the 30+ such domains JAS owns, Mike O’Connor’s corp.com<http://corp.com/>, etc). While these datasets have been available for years, extremely limited research interest (essentially zero) has been shown in collision-related topics. JAS remains concerned about the security implications of a small number of “special” domains – like .corp – including the ones that have not yet been discovered. The special nature of the string “corp” was not predictable a-priori and highly esoteric; all future TLD application rounds should contain steps to identify potential corp-like “special” strings requiring exceptional treatment. JAS also remains concerned about the practice of “drop catching” which is essentially the intentional discovery and monetization of DNS namespace collisions and referenced this practice in our Final report and in Recommendation #14. We would very much appreciate the opportunity to assist with these issues at some future point. Happy to chat further feel free to reach out of course; just wanted to make sure I closed the loop since you invited a bid from us. Please do let whomever you select to perform Study 1 know that we’re happy to chat with them and provide whatever historical information/assistance we can. Thank you! 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