Anne, I am not sure what you mean by the “GDD approved list of strings that may still be in play from 2012”? We have published a status chart of where everything from 2012, which will need one update (if it has not been already), as I understand .llp may be signed now. I am also not clear on what you mean by concurrent evaluation of these proposals. Jeff Neuman Senior Vice President Com Laude | Valideus D: +1.703.635.7514 E: jeff.neuman@comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com> From: Aikman-Scalese, Anne <AAikman@lrrc.com> Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 1:52 PM To: Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>; Susan Payne <susan.payne@valideus.com> Cc: gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org Subject: RE: Proposal on Prioritising Applications - prohibition on applying in a later round for a string from a prior round which has not yet been delegated Thanks Jeff. I was under the impression that since there was no consensus evident on Proposal 1, Susan would be drafting proposal 2 for consideration. Separately, I don’t see how any WG member can reflect properly on either proposal without the GDD approved list of strings that may still be in play from 2012. Will that be coming in time for concurrent evaluation of these proposals? Anne From: Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>> Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 12:10 PM To: Aikman-Scalese, Anne <AAikman@lrrc.com<mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com>>; Susan Payne <susan.payne@valideus.com<mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com>> Cc: gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org> Subject: RE: Proposal on Prioritising Applications - prohibition on applying in a later round for a string from a prior round which has not yet been delegated [EXTERNAL] ________________________________ Anne, During the call that Susan is referring to Susan volunteered to draft some language to flesh out her proposal. And although it did not seem to have a huge amount of support on that call, she was asked to send the proposal around to the list to see if it has traction. As you have pointed out, decisions are not generally made with just one phone call. Discussions can and should happen on the mailing list. Susan has responded with her proposal on the list and we can see which version has support. The options are: 1. Prohibit Applications for strings where the applications are still pending (for whatever reason) – As per Susan’s proposal; or 2. Allow applications in for those strings, but do not process them any further than the reveal stage, unless and/or until the applications from the previous round that match those strings have had their final disposition. Jeff Neuman Senior Vice President Com Laude | Valideus D: +1.703.635.7514 E: jeff.neuman@comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com> From: Gnso-newgtld-wg <gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org>> On Behalf Of Aikman-Scalese, Anne Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 7:09 PM To: Susan Payne <susan.payne@valideus.com<mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com>> Cc: gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposal on Prioritising Applications - prohibition on applying in a later round for a string from a prior round which has not yet been delegated Susan – sorry for the confusion but based on Jeff’s request, I had understood you were “fleshing out” the part that the WG might be able to agree on – which was that prior round applications should be “completed” prior to subsequent round applications for the same string being considered. I’m pretty sure the recording will confirm this. Anne From: Susan Payne <susan.payne@valideus.com<mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com>> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 4:06 PM To: Aikman-Scalese, Anne <AAikman@lrrc.com<mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com>> Cc: gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: Proposal on Prioritising Applications - prohibition on applying in a later round for a string from a prior round which has not yet been delegated [EXTERNAL] ________________________________ Anne, This is based on the comments that my company and INTA had made. I was asked on the call, including by you, to flesh this out so that the group could see what such a proposal would look like, and whether it would garner sufficient support. Here it is. Sent from my iPad On 3 Sep 2019, at 17:57, Aikman-Scalese, Anne <AAikman@lrrc.com<mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com>> wrote: Hi Susan. This is a bit confusing. I recall that Jeff noted there was no high level agreement for this proposition. Rather he stated there could be high level agreement that strings from prior rounds must complete application evaluation prior to consideration of subsequent round applications for the same string. He has since confirmed that in a post to the list. How did we get to a proposal for “no applications for the same string?” Anne From: Gnso-newgtld-wg <gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org>> On Behalf Of Susan Payne Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 3:54 PM To: gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposal on Prioritising Applications - prohibition on applying in a later round for a string from a prior round which has not yet been delegated [EXTERNAL] ________________________________ All During a call a couple of weeks ago, when we were discussing application prioritisation, I volunteered to circulate for consideration a proposal to prohibit allowing applications in a later application window where the string has previously been applied for and not yet been delegated. Although it had originally been proposed that this might extend to confusingly similar strings, having reflected on the discussion during the call I accept that this would probably be unrealistic, since confusing similarity needs to be determined as part of the TLD evaluation process. I have therefore limited this proposal to exact match strings, as follows: * This proposal assumes that we will have at least one further application round/open window for submission of applications, and possibly that there may be a number of such future open windows during which applications may be submitted, followed by some closed period when applications are not received, before the next application window opens (I will use the phrase “application submission period”). * Where one or more applicants for a particular TLD string have applied for that string in a prior application submission period (including the 2012 application submission period); and * The TLD has not been withdrawn but has not yet proceeded to delegation for whatever reason, including but not limited to: * One or more of the applications has not yet completed evaluation; * One or more of the applications is still the subject of an objection process * The contention set has not yet been resolved; * There is an ongoing accountability process, [appeal] or other legal challenge underway with respect to a decision(s) relating to one or more application; * Time within which to commence an accountability process, [appeal] or other legal challenge on such a decision is still running; * The exact match to that TLD string shall be blocked from application during future application submission periods until such time as the prior round application(s) have finally been concluded, according the rules under which they applied: * If the TLD string is delegated to one of the earlier applicants, then that string will remain unavailable for later applicants; * If all of the earlier applications are finally rejected, then (provided that a decision has not been made by the Board to permanently refuse that string) the TLD string will once again become available for application: * from the next application submission period, provided that this allows a minimum of 3 months notice before the application submission period opens; or, * If the next application submission period opens in less than 3 months, then the subsequent application submission period. Rationale We know that, many years after the 2012 application submission period closed, there are still a handful of applications for TLD strings which remain unresolved, generally due to delays caused by recourse to ICANNs accountability mechanisms. Whilst we all hope that in subsequent procedures we will have fewer of the challenges that we saw in the 2012 round, it is reasonable to assume that some will still occur. In any event, if subsequent procedures take the form of a series of discrete application submission periods, with known, finite, periods between them, then it is conceivable that applications from one application submission period may still be being processed when then next application submission period opens. If the period between application submission periods is reasonably short (12 months has been discussed, for example) we could conceivably see the added complication of applications for the same string being queued up across multiple windows. Whilst a later applicant who applied unsuccessfully for a TLD, which was eventually allocated to an applicant from a prior application submission period, could expect to recover their application fee, there is a cost to putting together an application in excess of the ICANN fee, and this would not be recoverable. The later applicant could also have their application fee tied up for months or even years, pending the outcome of the earlier application(s). Some have argued that this is the choice of the later applicant, that they can check whether there are prior “live” applications and decide accordingly whether they still want to apply. I believe this does a disservice to potential applicants, particularly those who are not so familiar with all of the history of prior applications and who may not appreciate that in many cases they would have no realistic prospect of being allocated the TLD string that ICANN has allowed them to apply for. 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