Dear All, Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the AC Recording, MP3 recording, and AC Chat below for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call held on Monday, 25 September 2017 at 20:00 UTC. Attendance of the calls is also posted on the agenda wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/7BkhB MP3: <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-25sep17-en.mp3> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-25sep17-en.mp3 AC Recording: <https://participate.icann.org/p83di3i4v19/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=96c8662b94871fcc f55d58833d3c9ea8813255262baec5df38f242b37e427b7b> https://participate.icann.org/p83di3i4v19/ The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg/ Thank you. Kind regards, Julie ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday, 25 September 2017 Julie Bisland:Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures WG call on Monday, 25 September 2017 at 20:00 UTC Julie Bisland:Agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_7 BkhB <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_ 7BkhB&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosR vTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=IPTxjhmnwzYaEAUfBu4GcDI6VWYmcij5CAAl04Q5mgE &s=B9fknXnsGB3lsA8fkYqGwTzogJdxzEUEt4Edac_GOUo&e> &d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd8 4AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=IPTxjhmnwzYaEAUfBu4GcDI6VWYmcij5CAAl04Q5mgE&s=B9 fknXnsGB3lsA8fkYqGwTzogJdxzEUEt4Edac_GOUo&e= kavouss arasteh:HI JULI Julie Bisland:Hello Kavouss! kavouss arasteh:Here is about mid night Krishna Seeburn - Kris:hi all Julie Bisland:Hello Kris! Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):do we have adobe audio? Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hi Jeff, audio positive Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):do we wait for 3 minutes more? Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):test my AC audio now? Jeff Neuman:Can hear you well Cheryl! Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I always prefer to have dial up phne, for audio stabiility but still no phine lines connected to the house, :-( new cables to be laid underground it seems ... SIGH Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):and I am *not* going to the off9ce to take calls een at this hour :-) Heather Forrest:@Cheryl - did those 100km winds last week get you? It was rough down here in Tasie. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):It didn't hlep Heather but I lost phines the windy week before Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): ergh typos sorry Heather Forrest:No good - hopefully underground lines will help Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):the office and labortory BLD is just fine now and has been for the week just our residence still offline Julie Bisland:Kavouss: i've sent you a private chat Vanda Scartezini:hi everyone....with a lan connection hope it will work Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Yup that's the *expenive* plan Heather Vanda Scartezini:it is good Avri kavouss arasteh:Pls advise the operator to dial me up kavouss arasteh:Here is mid night and if there would no call then I have to quit kavouss arasteh:I need to be connected Julie Bisland:Kavouss, the operator is trying to call but having trouble kavouss arasteh:what trouble Karen Day:lost avri audio? Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):losing audio - Avri too soft Erica Varlese:audio got very quiet Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):aodio dropped volume Vanda Scartezini:she istill here but became very low kavouss arasteh:00971 2656 0000 ROOM 1505 Ken Stubbs - Afilias:volume back to normal Jonathan Robinson:I updated my SOI recently. More a tidy up and removing of no longer relevant information. Vanda Scartezini:have my full support Greg Shatan:Huis Clos for CLO. Greg Shatan:Translation: No exit for CLO. Full support. Martin Sutton:Fully support Cheryl. kavouss arasteh:De ar Julie kavouss arasteh:Pls advise the operator to dial me up Vanda Scartezini:I have been working with Cheryl since 2007 and she is all for process and quality Rubens Kuhl:Full support for Cheryl, from someone already in the trenches with her for last 18 months! Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Thank you for the support on the list I appreciate that and also for the support shown here to step up in support of Avri and Jeff (hopefully the GNSO will not object) Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):We are all happy Cheryl agreed to assume this responsiblity. Jamie Baxter | dotgay:support for Cheryl Phil Buckingham:My congratulations too . Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):congrats! Julie Bisland:Kavouss, the operator is getting error messages, so i'm working with her to troubleshoot. still trying. Alexander Schubert:Congrats! Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO)::-) you have to train me now Avri Jeff Neuman:ok...Cheryl you take the meeting from here :) Just kidding Jamie Baxter | dotgay:Congrats Cheryl! kavouss arasteh:tks Alan Greenberg:Chery, having worked with you for several years, trainable?? Heather Forrest:Council's October document deadline is next Monday 2nd - please could the PDP leadership/Paul as liaison put this on the Council agenda? Jeff Neuman:@Heather - I will officially do that after this call Julie Bisland:Kavouss, you're connected now, correct? Heather Forrest:Great, Jeff, thanks. Just making sure it gets on the agenda otherwise we'll have to wait until AD kavouss arasteh:yes thanks Sara Bockey:Apologies for delay in joining - computer issues. Jim Prendergast:Michael - can you referesh my memory on who is invited ot the WT2 call? thanks Vanda Scartezini:please speak lauder Phil Buckingham: WT2 15.00 UTC 28 September - please note the change of time this week only . @ Jim , Kathy Kleiman and Michele Neylon will be joining the call Michael Flemming:Sorry Jim, aside from our normal roster I have confirmed planned attendance from Kathy Kleiman and Michele Neylon kavouss arasteh:Avri, you are heard with distortion Rubens Kuhl:28 September New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team - Track 4 - IDNs/Technical & Operations 20:00 UTC Jonathan Robinson:Your line is fine now Jeff. Seemingly OK once Avri mic is off. Jim Prendergast:thx Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):@Jeff - Can you share the three GNSO nominees? Greg Shatan:Is the WT5 nomination period still open? Jeff Neuman:thanks Julie Bisland:@Kavouss: your line was creating that echo from Jeff's line so the operator muted it. If I see your hand raised, we will unmute. Rubens Kuhl:Yes we do. Jeff Neuman:@Greg - WE have not really closed the nomination period yet since there were no real candidates from the GNSO that came forward until this week. Greg Shatan:Thanks, Jeff. There may be at least one more "candidate". It might make sense to put a deadline on it at this point. Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):QUESTION: @Jeff - Who are the nomiinees from GNSO? QUESTION Jonathan Robinson:@Avri. I think you are fine. Only when you and Jeff are both open mic is there a problem. Jonathan Robinson:Simultaneously Julie Bisland:@Avri: your line is clear, thinking Kavouss's line might have had an issue too, as when a few of you have open lines at the same time they are creating a feedback and echo. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):That's how I am hearing it as well Rubens Kuhl:While the co-chairs have latitude in choosing their method, the one adopted by the Council in the SSC(Standing Selection Committee) is to only publish the chosen name. Donna Austin, Neustar:did we lose audio or is it just me? Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Audio fine Rubens Kuhl:Donna, audio works for me in the audio bridge. Donna Austin, Neustar:ok dialling in Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):There will be only 1 Kavous like all the other ACSOs kavouss arasteh:Tks for clarification Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):COMMENT- Avri just said we would know the names of the nominees. That way members of this group can provide input to Leadership on the choice. COMMENT Rubens Kuhl:I don't think we divide WG members between SOs and ACs, since there is no requirement to be from a SO or AC to joing a GNSO PDP WG. Karen Day:I thik Greg is reccomending that only GNSO members of this group select Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Seems a good point to me there @Rubens Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):GNSO Council? Rubens Kuhl:Maxim, the GNSO Council punted this choice to the WG leadership. Greg Shatan:Not GNSO Council. They don't get involved in picking Subgroup leadership. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):The Council suggested the LT to do that as Rubens stated Heather Forrest:Given that the WT5 leaders each represent an SO/AC, then I think the GNSO should be deciding its leader. The GNSO did not have input into the other SO/AC leader nominations. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):He types faster than I do it seems ;-) Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):Dropping for another (hopefully short) meeting. Back soon. Heather Forrest:No problem, Jeff! Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Greg, representation needs to be somewhat equal ... for GAC level it is going to be GNSO Council Greg Shatan:Maxim, it's not Council's job. Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):I thought GNSO said they will not agree to decide the chair of WT5. Greg Shatan:Anne -- Council said that. Not the GNSO. Not the same thing, Heather Forrest:@Jeff- that's my understanding too, but Council didn't delve into the specifics Greg Shatan:I have to step away. Sorry. Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):Thank you Jeff! kavouss arasteh:Perhaps GNSO need a PDP for this topic Vaibhav Aggarwsl:+1 Greg & +1 Heather avri doria:certainly Steve Chan:The link to the document being displayed is here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spreads heets_d_1mA-5FhTUhLhJSsfcmoQwREtUqxykZ5KfJffzJAAhEvNlA_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spread sheets_d_1mA-5FhTUhLhJSsfcmoQwREtUqxykZ5KfJffzJAAhEvNlA_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing &d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd8 4AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=IPTxjhmnwzYaEAUfBu4GcDI6VWYmcij5CAAl04Q5mgE&s=dQ T9pynxIiSXBGCqN80Rhh021GjQH4shxv-5ut7Oyw0&e> &d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd8 4AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=IPTxjhmnwzYaEAUfBu4GcDI6VWYmcij5CAAl04Q5mgE&s=dQ T9pynxIiSXBGCqN80Rhh021GjQH4shxv-5ut7Oyw0&e= Greg Shatan:I think Council gave Leadership the leeway to deal with this as it sees fit.... Steve Chan:Tab 2, Attributes Matrix Heather Forrest:In 2007 there was a hearty discussion about the benefits and burdens of proliferation of specific categories kavouss arasteh:We need to have justifixations to add new gategory Heather Forrest:Just wndering if any of those benefits/burdens have changed Vanda Scartezini:guess heather this is good idea to get back that debate kavouss arasteh:We need to avoid racing between interested people to jumped into the race to add their name to new categories Steve Chan:we'll work on that Steve Chan:It's the right tab, just an older version... Donna Austin, Neustar:I don't see any reason to do so. Heather Forrest:@Jeff: would that lead to clear efficiencies in IE/delegation? Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):not for profit is just the form Rubens Kuhl:There are not-for-profit and there are charitable organizations... could we be mixing the two concepts ? Vanda Scartezini:teh community did not work last time. even catching all the documentation entered into regular auction... Phil Buckingham:I agree Ken we need to differentiate - so we then would have different financial evaluation questions perhaps Susan Payne:agree, some not for profits are very wealthy. ICANN for example Vanda Scartezini:I also agree with NGO group. Donna Austin, Neustar:good point Susan Vanda Scartezini:there will be difficult to deffend only being NGO Alan. agree Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):Agree with Alan we cannot limit Applicant Support to non-profit organizations. Alexander Schubert:The keyword might be "public benefit"! Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):do we intend to make special categories for LTD or private companies? Hadia Elminiawi:+1 Alan cannot limit support to not for profit organizations Heather Forrest:Seems to me that the answer to whether to create new categories depends on what hyou are using the categorisation for.... Vanda Scartezini:MAxim, I beleive we shall restrict the number of categories Jeff Neuman:@Heather - There is definately a chicken / egg problem kavouss arasteh: If we take that path we may end up with numerous additional categories which could complicate the process Martin Sutton:@Jeff. Agree, I think the non-profit element is a sub component of the applicant, rather than a categorisation of the registry. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Vanda, that was what I meant... we do not need to do so Vanda Scartezini:ok then, Maxim, support this Krishna Seeburn - Kris:@alan...very true its a fact.... kavouss arasteh:Before we create new category we need to have criteria to be meet in order that a given entity become a new category Hadia Elminiawi:ok quite clear Alan kavouss arasteh:to be met Heather Forrest:Specific question: What will categories be used for?? Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):I'm back. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):There is clearly still a lot to discuss in this exercise, but it is a good one to pursue IMO Gg Levine (NABP):Would an applicant have to be identified as a member of a designated category to be considered eligible for financial support? Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):financial support was almost useless Krishna Seeburn - Kris:If its sound NGO then the Public internet registry may have to be and may be under the PIR... .NGO / .ORG are under PIR Phil Buckingham:exactly Jeff - we then develop a tree diagram based on Specifications that would be applicable or exempt Gg Levine (NABP):Thx. Rubens Kuhl:Financial evaluation and contracting are also likely impacted by TLD types. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):.moscow TLD would be non for profit too Vanda Scartezini:yes shall go ahead with this exercise. Rubens Kuhl:And contract could be the only impact, like it was in 2012 for governmental organisations. Christa Taylor:I would see financial support being separate as mentioned, there are very wealthy NFPs Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):audio Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):back Martin Sutton:@Heather. dotBrands could have benefited from categorisation in 2012 round, instead, there was a lot of pain during the post-application phase, but eventually recognised as a distinct model through spec 13. Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):It's not about being a non-profit. It's about needing Applicant Support. Vanda Scartezini:I beleive so Rubens, and may be what alla re looking at when trying to define categories Christa Taylor:+1 Anne Heather Forrest:@Martin - it makes sense where a categor is created in order to serve a clear purpose. For brands, clearly the purpose was efficiency in evluation and contracting. That I can see clearly. I think we need clear reasons/purpose like that for any other categories as well Donna Austin, Neustar:The criteria for applicant support should be needs based and not tied to specific organisations. Martin Sutton:@Heather - agree Phil Buckingham:+1 Donna Donna Austin, Neustar:Agree Heather Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Is there a case for "case by case" in the matter of appropriate for Applicant Support program? Rubens Kuhl:It's on the list for now, last line of page 1. kavouss arasteh: We should avoid creating new categories under which some of the existing categories covered Vanda Scartezini:totally agree with Anne Rubens Kuhl:Some Geo TLDs are government entities (like .nyc or .rio) and some are not (like .berlin). Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):+1 Rubens Donna Austin, Neustar:Regardless of category, all applications will likely undergo the same baseline process. Donna Austin, Neustar:.nyc is not a geoTLD as defined in the AGB Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):The reason we need a separate category is because this effort failed in the 2012 round. Donna Austin, Neustar:I was responding to a comment by Rubens Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):We need to develop policies to help those who need Applicant Support to succeed. That is why the category should be separate. Rubens Kuhl:Donna, .nyc is a GeoTLD according to both ICANN and NYC Mayor's Office: Rubens Kuhl:https://newgtlds.icann.org/sites/default/files/ier/f3T5ufeSpeThAJezaxez uDtE/ie-1-1715-21938-en.pdf Rubens Kuhl:"Geographic Names Geographic Name - PassThe Geographic Names Panel has determined that yourapplication falls within the criteria fora geographic name contained inthe Applicant Guidebook Section 2.2.1.4, and the documentation of support or non-objection provided has met all relevant criteriain Section 2.2.1.4.3 of the Applicant Guidebook" Donna Austin, Neustar:@Rubens, I get that, but it is not a geo in terms of the AGB. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):like poor oil industry communty brand Rubens Kuhl:Donna, tell that to ICANN and to the .nyc operator ... ;-) Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):Hi! I think this conversation started while I had dropped for another meeting. Can someone fill me in as to why we're discussing categories? Whether to have them? What that determination drives? Thanks! Jamie Baxter | dotgay:in the 2012 round weren't applicants allowed to pick both geo and community? Krishna Seeburn - Kris:agreed things may have to be clear at the application time and meeting the needed requirements Rubens Kuhl:@Jamie, that's true, and there some examples. OSAKA and one or two of the Barcelona TLDs. Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):OK, thanks. Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):We should perhaps consider different specifications for Applicant Support applicants - e.g. okay to have a fewer number of registrars - make their operations simpler. We need to develop policies to encourage the success of those needing Applicant Support in the public interest. Rubens Kuhl:.OSAKA was decided between two applicants on a Community Priority Evaluation, there were two applications with non-objection from the government. One was community and one was not. avri doria:but Geo was an emergent 'category' while community was a defined category. perhaps that is the reason for overlap. avri doria:but perhaps geo and community are not both categories but one of them is an attribute that can be applied to multiple categories. kavouss arasteh: Yes ,highly regulated is totally different than sensitive category kavouss arasteh:different from Rubens Kuhl:Avri, we could define categories as mutually exclusive and attributes as non-exclusive to move the discussions along. Donna Austin, Neustar:@Avri, geo was a category because of additional requirements. community was a category because of different requirements. avri doria:so was geo a category or an attribute. Donna Austin, Neustar:good question Avir Donna Austin, Neustar:Avri Donna Austin, Neustar:but perhaps we're just splitting hairs for no real purpose Vanda Scartezini:the requirement regarding government authorization makes it a different category imo Donna Austin, Neustar:on the chat discussion Rubens Kuhl:Brand + Exclusive - Use : Category. Attribute of that category: Brand TLD> avri doria:time check 20 minutes left. Rubens Kuhl:Geographic, Community, Governmental: Attributes. Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):Depends on what we're using the categories for. If the "validated registry" category is strictly interpreted (e.g., extensive restrictions) and we don't have an open restricted TLD category, we could be stifling innovation. kavouss arasteh:different from was typed to replace different than in my comment about hihghly regulated and sensitive pls kindly make that correction Jamie Baxter | dotgay:i actually thought there were only standard and community TLDs as options in the 2012 round, however geo was a box that required checking when completing an application and as Donna pointed out, it required additional requirements Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):Would it be because of contractual restrictions (e.g., with ICANN)? avri doria:Jamie, that is somewhat what i mean by the difference between categories and attributes that can be applied to any category. Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):To be clear, I as speculating on answer to Jeff's question as to why we had the governmental organization applicants entry on the chart. Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):was speculating. sheesh. need more coffee. Jeff Neuman:I need coffee too ;) Donna Austin, Neustar:i think we should focus on a rationale for a category and i don't think organisation types require their own category Jeff Neuman:@Donna that may be so, but this exercise will help us Donna Austin, Neustar:yep, its already helped me Jeff and I've drawn my conclusion :-) Greg Shatan:Kristina, you're in the right city for more coffee. Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):@Greg. True. Have already dusted off the sun machine for the winter. Heather Forrest:"sun machine" - now that's fabulous Greg Shatan:@Kristina, your employer needs to buy the sun and move it to Seattle. No more need for a sun machine, then. Donna Austin, Neustar:if an organisation like Nike wanted to sell domain names to anyone, they would not be a brand TLD, is that correct? Rubens Kuhl:Donna, they could sell to brand licensees. Greg Shatan:But not to just "anyone." Donna Austin, Neustar:but does that change whether they are considered a brand TLD Hadia Elminiawi:@greg like that - buy some sun .. Rubens Kuhl:So that could be very ample, like anyone who bought one of their shoes. ;-) Heather Forrest:Excellent initiative, Steve & team! Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Thanks Steve Donna Austin, Neustar:sounds good Steve Steve Chan:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A5uaxBAgmg7QsFuqMdVvt1HxNZ4jKXn m3Hp0gZra7U0/edit?usp=sharing Phil Buckingham:excellent steve Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Bye everyone Heather Forrest:Thanks Avri, Jeff and WT leaders Christa Taylor:Thank-you Hadia Elminiawi:Thank you all and bye Rubens Kuhl:Bye all! Katrin Ohlmer, DOTZON:Thanks & bye, everybody! Greg Shatan:Bye all! Alexander Schubert:Bye! Bruna Santos:thanks evertone, bye! Vanda Scartezini:thansk everyone..