Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 15 July 2014 at 14:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140715-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jul> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jul The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Steve Metalitz - IPC Justin Macy – BC Sarah Wyld - RrSG Chris Pelling – RrSG Darcy Southwell - RrSG Graeme Bunton – RrSG Don Blumenthal – RySG Val Sherman – IPC Griffin Barnett – IPC Susan Kawaguchi – BC Kathy Kleiman – NCUC Stephanie Perrin – NCSG James Bladel – RrSG David Hea sley – IPC Alex Deacon - IPC Jim Bikoff – IPC Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP Kristina Rosette – IPC Paul McGrady – IPC Carlton Samuels – ALAC Todd Williams – IPC Dan Burke – Individual Laura Jedeed – BC Chris Chaplow – BC Libby Baney – BC Tim Ruiz - RrSG Christian Dawson - ISPCP Apologies: Susan Prosser- RrSG Michele Neylon – RrSG Holly Raiche - ALAC ICANN staff: Marika Konings Mary Wong Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg> https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 15 July 2014: Marika Konings:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 15 July 2014 Chris Pelling:afternoon all Chris Pelling:just waiting for someone to pick the phone up Mary Wong:Hi Chris - yes there seems to be a short delay there; hang on. Nathalie Peregrine:Chris & Mary, I have informed the operator Mary Wong:Thanks, Nathalie - I'm on now Nathalie Peregrine:Excellent, you are both on! Chris Pelling:well I think I am on now, all quiet :p Chris Pelling:touch wood someone heard that :) Chris Pelling:aha Nathalie Peregrine:We heard you Chris :) Bladel:Waiting for the operator Nathalie Peregrine:James, Ive informed the operator Kathy:still holding... steve metalitz:A coordinator will assist me momentarily.... Kathy:But can hear you Don, loud and clear Sarah Wyld - Aplus.net:Hi, I'm also waiting for an operator. Nathalie Peregrine:The telecom providers do tend to experience heavy call traffic at the top of the hour Bladel:If your browser supports it, yep. :) Kathy:I'm in! Val Sherman:Good morning Val Sherman:David Heasley is also on the call Don Blumenthal:I didn't know that some browsers have difficulties Griffin Barnett:David Heasley from our office is also on the call, thanks Nathalie Peregrine:Thanks noted! Nathalie Peregrine:Paul McGrady has also joined the call Tim Ruiz:Could not hear Steve. Nathalie Peregrine:Alex Deacon and Christian Dawson have joined the call Nathalie Peregrine:Susan Kawaguchi has joined the call Nathalie Peregrine:David Cake has joined the call Mary Wong:In the RAA P/P temp spec, there's this language: Unless prohibited by law, P/P Provider shall promptly (within five (5) business days) relay or forward all allegations of malicious conduct, cybersquatting, and other illegal activities to the P/P Customer, except in instances the P/P Provider is notified that the relay of such allegations may jeopardize an ongoing civil or criminal investigation Paul McGrady:Steve is extremly hard to hear. Tim Ruiz:Can barely hear Steve. Mary Wong:(oops sorry for nasty formatting) Don Blumenthal:Mary, the excerpt is unreadable in my chat window Nathalie Peregrine:I have asked the operator to increase volume on Steve's line Nathalie Peregrine:Stephanie Perrin has joined the call Nathalie Peregrine:Carlton Samuels has joined the call Carlton:Morning all Kathy:I have the same question - what limits do some p/p impose on Relay - and why? Kathy:Morning Carlton! Tim Ruiz:It may be different from Proxy versus non-proxy. Kathy:@Tim: how so? Carlton:@Kathy Question re limts on relay and why...+1 Mary Wong:OK trying again: Unless prohibited by law, P/P Provider shall promptly (within five (5) business days) relay or forward all allegations of malicious conduct, cybersquatting, and other illegal activities to the P/P Customer, except in instances the P/P Provider is notified that the relay of such allegations may jeopardize an ongoing civil or criminal investigation. Tim Ruiz:In Proxy the provider considered the registrant Mary Wong:That's Section 3.4 of the temp P/P spec from the 2013 RAA. Tim Ruiz:or may be considered the registrant. Carlton:@Mary: So current rule limit relay only with respect of jeopardy for legal proceedings. Is that decision left to judgment of p/p provider or is there some objective standard? Mary Wong:My apologies - something dropped out of my comment. I meant to note that 3.4 was in an earlier version of the P/P spec but did not seem to make it into the final document. Don Blumenthal:Carlston, I thnk that's part of what we have to decide. Mary Wong:@Don, exactly. Carlton:@Don thanks... steve metalitz:DBP allows customer to choose "relay everything" Stephanie Perrin:The problem is, if we use squishy language, we then merely punt the problem over to the service provider Chris Pelling:we use our own privacy service, which essentially will forward ANY email as long as the instructions are followed AND you do the reply mail to the correct address (which cheanges daily) within 24 hours Stephanie Perrin:I think Susan is making my point... Chris Pelling:now if LEA contacts us directly, without going through the P/P service thats up to us to forward Nathalie Peregrine:Osvaldo Novoa has joined the call Bladel::) Osvaldo Novoa:Sorry I am late, was delayed in aprevious meeting Tim Ruiz:Spam filters may be applied pre or post control of the P/P Provider. Justin Macy:@Mary I noticed that LegitScript's comments aren't included in the comments section at the bottom of the page. Is this an ommision, or did LS not respond to this question? Tim Ruiz:+1 David Kathy:And a quick note that we have heard in past discussions that one of the reasons people register as p/p is to prevent spam.... Marika Konings:Hi Justin - the original survey question combined reveal and relay - as your comments focused more specifically on reveal, it will show up in the templates for the next category. Marika Konings:I'll send you the response off-list so you can let me know if you would like any part of it included as part of the next iteration of the template. Justin Macy:Great. Thank you! Susan kawaguchi:agree with James I am not advocating to make the PP responsible for the licensee to respond to anything Graeme Bunton:Sensible, James. Kathy:I like James' idea of some flexibility in this process. Some p/p will provide more; some less. but a baseline set here. Chris Pelling::@steve, its probably automatic relay, I doubt someone actually sits there going through emails, could be wrong mind you Libby Baney:Good point Steve Kathy:As discussed earlier, I often get multiple calls by telephone that constitute harrassment, even though they allege that there is something I should be doing... Tim Ruiz:How does the provider figure out when complaints etc. are not reponded to? Graeme Bunton:can't be done, Tim steve metalitz:@Tim, it would be up to complainant to document that. "This complaint has been sent for relay X times and no response received. Tim Ruiz:Thanks Steve. Bladel:Sorry, but I need to drop and head to the airport. Chris Pelling:well surely thats up to the complainant if they want to respond Chris Pelling:I do not get the login on that, if they dont want to respond, what are you going to do, demand their private info and then send snailmail ? Chris Pelling:lofin=logic Chris Pelling:crumbs - you know what I meant :) Don Blumenthal:Chris, we must be getting near the end of the call. :) Kathy:Agree with Susan that the tracking of the response -- and the underlying issue - runs with the Requestor Justin Macy:+1 Susan Chris Pelling:by phone cannot be handled Kathy:Is that a RELAY question? Chris Pelling:as there is no chain Graeme Bunton:Agreed with Chris Tim Ruiz:No Paul McGrady:Agree with Todd. Important issue to discuss during reveal conversation. steve metalitz:Agree with Todd re relevance of multiple relays without response. Kristina Rosette 2:sorry. have to drop. will catch up on transcript Tim Ruiz:Agree with Chris regarding phone calls. Dan Burke:Thanks for including me :) Graeme Bunton:It IS good to get some LEA perspective directly, thank you Dan. Mary Wong:We'll update the template with summaries of today's discussion. Tim Ruiz:Thanks Don, bye all. Paul McGrady:Thanks Don! Mary Wong:Thank you Don and all! Chris Pelling:Thanks all