+1 Lindsay Hamilton-Reid Legal Counsel Direct: +44 (0)1452 509145 | Mobile: 07720 091147 | Email: Lindsay.Hamilton-Reid@1and1.co.uk<mailto:Lindsay.Hamilton-Reid@1and1.co.uk> www.fasthosts.co.uk<http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/> www.1and1.co.uk<http://www.1and1.co.uk/> [fh-1and1] © 2015 All rights reserved. Fasthosts is the trading name of Fasthosts Internet Limited. Company registration no. 03656438. Registered in England and Wales. Registered office: Discovery House, 154 Southgate Street, Gloucester, GL1 2EX. VAT no. 720821857. 1&1 is the trading name of 1&1 Internet Limited. Company registration no. 03953678. Registered in England and Wales. Registered office: Discovery House, 154 Southgate Street, Gloucester, GL1 2EX. VAT no. 752539027. This message (including any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disclose, copy or use any part of it - please delete all copies immediately and notify 1&1 on 0844 335 1211 or Fasthosts on 0333 0142 700. Any statements, opinions or information in this message are provided by the author, not on behalf of 1&1 and/or Fasthosts, unless subsequently confirmed by an individual who is authorised to represent 1&1 and/or Fasthosts. -----Original Message----- From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Volker Greimann Sent: 26 January 2016 15:14 To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org; amy.bivins@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PP transfer issue It had been my understanding that we had agreed that replacing the privacy details with the underlying details does not constitute a material change when the whois privacy service provider and the registrar are affiliated as the actual registrant deta would not have changed, only what is on display. As the provision in the IRTP-C was intended to protect registrants against unwanted transfers, the removal of the privacy function would not change anything for the registrant. So Option 2 seems most sensible and it resembles the discussions in both WGs most closely, IIRC, provided that the exception only applies to the customers of registrar-affiliated services. For services not affiliated, the registrar never had the original data, so for the registrar it would be a material change, not the mere removal of a privacy veil. Best, Volker Am 26.01.2016 um 10:56 schrieb gtheo:
Thanks Amy,
I favor option two in this case. Option 1 will just put a burden on
Registrants for no good reason.
Best regards,
Theo Geurts
Amy Bivins schreef op 2015-11-17 07:01 PM:
Dear PPSAI WG Members:
Here is the issue you asked staff to address by email today. This
came to our attention after reflecting on the work done Friday by the
"implementation issues" sub-team.
In short, disabling a proxy or privacy service will trigger the
60-day inter-registrar transfer lock required by IRTP C (which takes
effect on 1 August 2016,
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/transfer-policy-2015-09-24-en ).
Although applicable generally, this issue is of particular concern
following de-accreditation of a privacy or proxy service (if transfer
to another registrar is required to maintain privacy).
Here are 3 things the WG could consider doing to address this:
1. Maintain the status quo and leave the 60-day IRTP C lock in place.
2. Create an exception for Privacy and Proxy Service customers, so
the
60 day IRTP C (inter-registrar transfer) lock doesn't apply when/if
the customer changes or removes the PP service.
3. Create an exception for PP users only if a PP service is
de-accredited, so the IRTP C (inter-registrar transfer) lock can be
lifted by the beneficial user if the registrar has been notified of
de-accreditation.
Please let us know if you'd like to us to provide any further
background.
Thank you!
AMY E. BIVINS
Registrar Policy Services Manager
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
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