Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 03 June 2014 at 14:00 UTC at: <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140602-en.mp3> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140602-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#june> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#june The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Steve Metalitz - IPC Kathy Kleiman - NCUC Justin Macy - BC James Bladel - RrSG Laura Jedeed - BC Sarah Wyld - RrSG Michele Neylon - RrSG Chris Pelling - RrSG David Cake - NCSG Jennifer Standiford - RrSG Christian Dawson - ISPCP Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP Don Moody - IPC Darcy Southwell - RrSG Graeme Bunton - RrSG Don Blumenthal - RySG Luc Seufer - RrSG Phil Marano - SOI Todd Williams - IPC Jim Bikoff - IPC Frank Michlick - RrSG Holly Raiche - ALAC Susan Prosser- RrSG Kristina Rosette - IPC Val Sherman - IPC Todd Williams - IPC Tim Ruiz - RrSG David Heasley - IPC Griffin Barnett - IPC Tatiana Khramtsova - RrSG Apologies: Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC Paul McGrady - IPC Tobias Sattler - RrSG Stephanie Perrin - NCSG Libby Baney - BC Brian Winterfeldt - IPC Joe Catapano - staff ICANN staff: Mary Wong Amy Bivins Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg> https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 03 June 2014: Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 03 June 2014 Graeme Bunton:First one in! Terri Agnew:You sure are Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all Val Sherman:Good morning Chris Pelling:afternoon all :) Chris Pelling:just waiting for the attendants to pick the phone up :) steve metalitz:enjoying the Thelonious Monk tune while waiting for coordinator to assist me momentarily Frank Michlick:Hell. Frank Michlick:erm Frank Michlick:Hello Holly Raiche:Great music! steve metalitz:Round Midnight Holly Raiche:Febulous number! Don Blumenthal:I'm jealous about the music. Adobe doesn't have it. Kathy:I think they should change the music to Rock Frank Michlick:Yep, we want music here too ;-) Bladel:Waiting on the Operator. Did they cut staff over there or something? Susan Prosser:i agree Kathy Holly Raiche:No Kathy - not with that jazz Chris Pelling:some status quo would be nice Chris Pelling:crumbs 4 mins and still on this music Don Blumenthal:Holly, agreed Kathy::-) Holly Tim Ruiz:Anyone getting in on the phone? Chris Pelling:hoora Don Blumenthal:Chris, is that a yes to Tim? Kathy:@Tim -- not me, stil waiting Val Sherman:@Tim -- on hold Bladel:finally. Chris Pelling:just got in Chris Pelling:to Don that was Holly Raiche:Agreed on the jazz Tim Ruiz:Got in! Terri Agnew:Todd Williams and David Heasley has joined Holly Raiche:So have you seen Miles live- FAB Terri Agnew:Griffin Barnett has joined Kathy:I'm in now too... Terri Agnew:Jim Bikoff has joined Mary Wong:@Michele, yes that is correct. Bladel:I wasn't aware it was optional. :) Bladel:That's why I'm so annoying in IRTP. Graeme Bunton:My job title was updated in my SOI, no other changes Mary Wong:Thanks, Graeme. Terri Agnew:Phil Marano has joined Don Blumenthal:It's not optional. I have found it annoying so I didn't do it until being corrected Terri Agnew:David Cake has joined Terri Agnew:Jennifer Standiford has joined Kathy:Sorry Don, my thought was that the follow-up work (now to do) is narrow and focused Don Blumenthal:Thanks for the clarification. Lots of audio cut outs here. Kathy:Agree with James Tim Ruiz:ICANN critical would be at a minimum anything required in the RAA and Consensus Policy, IMHO. Tim Ruiz:I would also include anything that this WG deems critical regarding any of the areas we are covering. Tim Ruiz:Reveal for example. Kathy:Yikes, more work... Bladel:Sure, but I think we would need more help. :) Kathy:Seriously, I would be happy to Bladel:Yes, same here. Just need some fresh recruits. Kathy:Agree - who can join us Kristina Rosette:not just you. happening to me too now. Bladel:Don is breaking up. Bladel:No problems on the phone bridge, tho. Bladel:I can hear tim. Michele Neylon:yes Holly Raiche:yes Tim Ruiz:Could anyone hear me? Terri Agnew:@Tim, yes but you were breaking up a bit Holly Raiche:Yes Kathy thks Holly Raiche:yes Susan Prosser:yes, Kathy Terri Agnew:Don is back Don Blumenthal:Maybe :) Kathy: Great, we have James, Holly, Kathy --- who else? Kathy:on the subgroup... Kathy:and adopt issues 1 and 3 for consideration in appropriate later sections, eg., relay Bladel:I don't heart them. Bladel:Maybe Don should dial in? Bladel:Clearly this chat room is haunted! Holly Raiche:One is tempted to comment about hearing voices Chris Pelling:that 24 hour contact is only for abuse * Kathy:Tx for the clarification, Michele! steve metalitz:@Michele, the issue is contactability, not necessarily response Kathy:would it be possible to post the RAA sections? Mary Wong:@Kathy for now they're summarized in the first para of the WG Response in Column 3 - I will find the link to the actual RAA. Mary Wong:Link to 2013 RAA and Specs: <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/approved-with-specs-2013-09-17-en> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/approved-with-specs-2013-09-17-en Kathy:Great, tx Mary! Kathy:I like reading the full language iof RAA 2013 for 3.18 - it's pretty readable. Terri Agnew:as a reminder, please mute whennot speaking Terri Agnew:on telephone press *6 to mute or unmute steve metalitz:Let's remember that accreditation standards need to apply to p/p services not affiliated with registrars -- as well as those affiliated -- so registrar abuse contact may not be in a position to resolve. Terri Agnew:Tatiana Khramtsova has joined Michele Neylon:apparently "defamation" is illegal Michele Neylon:which is a problem Luc Seufer:@Steve under the 2013 RAA registrars have to escrow the underlying data Holly Raiche:@Michele - while it is 'against the law' it is a civiil ratherthan criminal matter Luc Seufer:so they have to be aware of it Holly Raiche:@ Michele - that's in the Australian jurisdiction Kathy:Plus, the allegation of defamation is not the same as the proof of defamation. Holly Raiche:@ Kathy - so true Michele Neylon:Under Irish law unfortunately the allegation is practically the same as being found guilty Michele Neylon:as it's nigh on impossible to defend against Kathy:In the US, in chatroom cases, there is protection provided in the process because allegations of defamation were used to try to disclose whistleblowers and other.... Michele Neylon:really badly written law steve metalitz:Should we kick off on D3? Michele Neylon:we have 3 minutes left Mary Wong:Under 2013 RAA "Illegal Activity" is defined as conduct involviing a Registered Name that is "prohibited by law". Graeme Bunton:I suspect we just hold on d3 for a week Kathy:Interesting discussion, all! Don Blumenthal:agrree pm D3 Don Blumenthal:on D3