Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 11 February 2014 at 15:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140211-en.mp3 <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140211-en.mp3> On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#feb The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> Attendees: Don Blumenthal - RySG Luc Seufer - RrSG Marie-Laure Lemineur - NPOC Volker Greimann - RrSG Griffin Barnett IPC Justin Macy CBUC Jim Bikoff IPC Maria Farrell NCUC Graeme Bunton RrSG Tim Ruiz RrSG Roy Balleste NCUC David Heasley - IPC James Bladel - RrSG Susan Prosser RrSG Kiran Malancharuvil IPC Sarah Wyld no SOI as of yet Todd Williams IPC Valeriya Sherman IPC Steve Metalitz - IPC Phil Marano IPC Amr Elsadr - NCUC Holly Raiche ALAC Gema Campillos GAC Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP Tobias Sattler RrSG Kristina Rosette - IPC Bill Watenpaugh - RrSG Michele Neylon - RrSG Elizabeth Baney Justin Macey - BC Keith Kupferschmid - IPC Darcy Southwell - RrSG Stephanie Perrin - NCUC Paul McGrady - IPC Apologies: Katherine McGowan Kathy Kleiman RySGgr Carlton Samuels - ALAC Alex Deacon - IPC Ben Anderson - RrSG ICANN staff: Marika Konings Mary Wong Gisella Gruber ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Gisella ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 11 February 2014: Marika Konings:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 11 February 2014 Tobias Sattler:Hi there Volker Greimann:Good Afternoon, or freezing morning, depending on where you are M:Hi guys Gisella Gruber-White:M - please identify yourself M:gah, sorry gisella, it's me, maria. the form sometimes autocompletes me! M:I'll log back in as my full name! Sarah Wyld - Aplus.net:Good morning Bladel:Good Chilly Morning. Maria Farrell:Back now, hi again, everyone Graeme Bunton:Maria - are you unable to ask questions on the call again? Maria Farrell:hi there, no, I should be able to dial in today also. Michele Neylon:I will be dropping off in a few minutes Michele Neylon:expecting a call on my desk phone Maria Farrell:i mean, no, i'm not unable. I'm just not always at an office location I can be on a call in. I think others have this issue, too. e.g. some open planoffices. Maria Farrell:but today is ok Michele Neylon:oooo Michele Neylon:Gisella Michele Neylon:haven't heard that voice in a while Graeme Bunton:ok, good. Graeme Bunton:Please mute your mic if you're not talking Gisella Gruber-White:Marie-Laure Lemineur has joined the AC room Marie-laure Lemineur:Apologies for being late Val Sherman:David Heasley is on the line as well Gisella Gruber-White:@ Val - thank you, noted. Stephanie Perrin:Apologies for being late! Amr Elsadr:Hi. Apologies for being late as well. Just dialled in. Luc Seufer:if we all agree that 3.7.7.3 doesn't apply, why bother? Volker Greimann:centralnic third-levels anyone? Elizabeth Baney:I support getting 3.7.7.3. clarified by the GC Gema Campillos:Appreciated. Bladel:Right. Consider tumblr.com.... Michele Neylon:dialled in now - since the journo postponed until 4pm Gisella Gruber-White:Kiran has joined the call Maria Farrell:Sorry, I had to hang up as I have building work going on suddenly outside my office window. Just wanted to say I support Don's / steve's ideaof getting down to work on the sub headings. Val Sherman:Can we just retitle the "Main Issues" as "Conclusions" and move it to the end Gema Campillos:Agree with Val and Tim. Stephanie Perrin:Thanks for bringing up the lawyers issue Don! Mary Wong 2:@Val, how about "General Issues"? It may be that as the WG goes along these may crop up and so not necessarily be Conclusions. Gisella Gruber-White:Osvaldo has joined the Adobe Connect Tim Ruiz:Start with Main Issue #2. It is a threshold question. Tim Ruiz:As part of Issue 2, who should or shouldn't be. Can you do both or only one or the other. Where do law firms, CentralNic, etc. come into this. Stephanie Perrin:Could I bring up the point that the EWG did reach agreement that the customer info of a privacy proxy services customer would not appear in the new RDS...what would be in the RDS is the registrant information, so the proxy/shield service provider. There was no determination that such a registration would be "flagged" for general consumption, as I recall. (Michele may have a difference recollection) Maria Farrell:michele is very hard on lawyers... Maria Farrell::-) Michele Neylon:Law professor claimed we were a publishers of a website Michele Neylon:cos we hosted the damn thing Maria Farrell:oh dear! Holly Raiche:The issue isn't just lawyeers - it's everyone who may want to operate the service - are there some bottom line requirements that allows lawyers and other unincorporated bodies Michele Neylon:Maria - she backed down when I pointed this out :) Elizabeth Baney:apoligies - ignorant question: but is this group bound by the EWG's views (see Stephanie's comment), or couldn't we differ? Michele Neylon:Elizabeth - feel free to differ :) Michele Neylon:EWG is not binding on anyone Marika Konings:Isn't the goal to set objective criteria which may mean that certain groups / individuals would not be able to qualify instead of singling out certain groups? Elizabeth Baney:Thanks Michele ;) Michele Neylon:Elizabeth - I'm on EWG Michele Neylon:and we don't know everything Holly Raiche:If we go to the RAA 2013 version, we have to include thespecification - part of what the Board passed Elizabeth Baney:I know it! Gema Campillos:The current speaker is saying what I wanted to say. Michele Neylon:Gema - that's Tim Ruiz Amr Elsadr:@Tim: +1. Answering Main Issue no. 2 now will be helpful down the road. Mike Zupke:As reference, here is the statement of registrar accreditation policy:http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/accreditation/policy-sta tement Don Blumenthal:Thanks for saving me the lookup effort on the RAA language Mary Wong 2:@Elizabeth, the EWG and this WG are proceeding in parallel, so to the extent that the EWG concretely recommends something that may influence/impact this WG's discussions, it's something the WG will probably want to address. Staff will coordinate between the 2 groups and monitor, and it's of course helpful to have EWG members on this WG :) Mary Wong 2:Note also that the EWG's mission is broader than this WG's charter (which focuses just on P&P services accreditation) Holly Raiche:True Mary - but we have to deal with the specification onP/P so that is our task Don Blumenthal:And Carlton for EWG Val Sherman:@ Mary, that may work just fine. The title may evolve along as we work thru the issues. Mary Wong 2:Following up on Michele's comment - the GNSO is due to kick off a PDP on the new gTLD registration data system AFTER the EWG completes its Final Report. steve metalitz:what about work plan? Graeme Bunton:That might hinge on the outcome of the poll Luc Seufer:so hiatus until the poll results came back? Luc Seufer:come Marika Konings:Thinking through the order based on the first question may help people decide which order they would prefer? Tim Ruiz:@Maria, I like this, "Isn't the goal to set objective criteria which may mean that certain groups / individuals would not be able to qualify instead of singling out certain groups?" Don Blumenthal:Answers are due in less than three weeks. We have work to do in the interim Tim Ruiz:I meant @Marika. Maria Farrell:Can we make sure to have at least 1 hour of actual working time in Singaproe? Mary Wong 2:@Maria, we've requested a 90-minute WG meeting; the WG can decide how much time of that you want to devote toc community feedback. Amr Elsadr:@Don: Yes. I will also make the assumption that there will be community members outside this WG who might be interested in engaging with this WG..., possibly the GAC. Maria Farrell:SOrry, building works outside and can't talk Maria Farrell:working time is actual WG work, not presentation time and q&a Don Blumenthal:That's what I figured but wanted to make sure. Maria Farrell:We need to prioritise that in our request for scheduled meeting time. Maria Farrell:thanks, don Maria Farrell:also, re. 'consensus', I don't see how that is suddenly an issue. there will be remote participation, surely, like all calls. and if people are worried about anythignt he meeting does, I suggested last time that we do wht the ietf habitually does, and have notning accepted as agreed till the wg gets to review it by email following the f2f. Marika Konings:@Holly - that will likely conflict with the joint GNSO-ccNSO meeting Volker Greimann:it does Marika Konings:@Holly - I know, just wanted to flag it :-) Volker Greimann:so I will not be able to attend either Mary Wong 2:@Maria, the WG meeting format can be as flexible/open as the WG wishes; most of the presentation/Q&A to-and-fro occurs in the GNSO weekend sessions. Maria Farrell:thanks, mary Mary Wong 2:Also WG Guidelines recommend that consensus calls are done on the list, to enable everyone to have a chance to consider and contribute. Maria Farrell:exactly, so doing actual work at a f2f and then putting it to the list shouldn't be a problem. Michele Neylon:https://thedaywefightback.org <https://thedaywefightback.org/> - 100k+ signature so far :) Michele Neylon:her audio is b0rked ;) Mary Wong 2:@Gema, as to your 2nd question - that was a question a WG member asked - if in addition to Reveal there should be Publication. Maria Farrell:thanks don Darcy Southwell:Thank you. steve metalitz:all the points have question marks at the end. Gema is providing an answer. Luc Seufer:Bye Susan Prosser:bye Gema Campillos:Ok. Thank you. I´ll take it to the list. Marie-laure Lemineur:bye and tx Amr Elsadr:thnx. bye. Stephanie Perrin:Gema's point was important we need to come back to it....