Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 17 March 2015 at 15:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-17mar15-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#m<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar>ar<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Frank Michlick - Individual Justin Macy - BC Val Sherman - IPC Griffin Barnett - IPC Kathy Kleiman - NCSG Darcy Southwell - RrSG Todd Williams - IPC Steve Metalitz - IPC Graeme Bunton - RrSG Jim Bikoff - IPC Holly Raiche - ALAC Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC Volker Greimann - RrSG Alex Deacon -IPC Sarah Wyld - RrSG Stephanie Perrin - NCSG James Bladel - RrSG Tatiana Khramtsova - RrSG Susan Kawaguchi - BC Terri Stumme - BC Phil Corwin - BC Luc Seufer - RrSG Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP David Hughes - IPC Chris Pelling - RrSG Paul McGrady - IPC Susan Prosser - RrSG David Cake - NCSG Apologies : Don Blumenthal - RySG Lindsay Hamilton-Reid - RrSG Richard Leaning - no soi Michele Neylon- RrSG ICANN staff: Mary Wong Marika Konings Danielle Andela Ariel Liang Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 17 March 2015 Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 17 March 2015 Kathy K:Hi All! Val Sherman:Jim Bikoff also on audio bridge Terri Agnew:I have added Jim to attendance list Terri Agnew:Susan Kawaguchi is on audio Mary Wong:Suggest we stay consistent with using "Disclosure" (in this instance) rather than Reveal? Terri Agnew:Frank Michlick has joined Terri Agnew:Stephanie Perrin has joined Terri Agnew:David Hughes has joined audio Terri Agnew:David Cake has joined Graeme Bunton:You can tell James has been logging in to CCWG/ICG calls to often, as he has the GNSO tag on his name Kiran Malancharuvil:Someone get James some coffee! Holly Raiche:We were picking what was seen as a hard case James Bladel-GNSO:Thanks, Steve. Sorry for the side-track. Mary Wong:In the Initial Report, we will make it clear that this fairly detailed framework applies to IP requestors, but is an illustrative example of a disclosure framework that can be a model for other categories of requestors. Do note that the WG has yet to discuss whether and how this may apply to, e.g. LEA and other requestors. Mary Wong:It may be that we don't have sufficient depth of expertise or time to be as detailed with these other categories, in which case we may want to consider calling out this point for public comment. Graeme Bunton:thank you James Bladel - Happy Now, Graeme?::0 Bladel - Happy Now, Graeme?:;) Terri Agnew:Luc Seufer has joined Holly Raiche:It's even earlier in Sydney Kiran Malancharuvil:You win Holly! Kiran Malancharuvil::) Volker Greimann:nothing much happens in August in Paris Kathy K:Sorry "Note" is not intended for final text... Kiran Malancharuvil:More happens in August in Paris than in Spain! (But for the record, everyone stays pretty well connected) Volker Greimann:true, kiran Stephanie Perrin:I think the Nordics take the longest holidays.. Val Sherman:Things happen all over the world at various times of year Val Sherman:these are not reasons to refuse disclosure in my opinion Kiran Malancharuvil:Good point Val and Steve. Kathy K:+1 James Paul McGrady:My call was cut off in the parking garage just as Kathy was getting started. Sorry if I end up asking question about items already covered. Kathy K:the Providers has not found adequate reasons for disclosure... Val Sherman:sorry! Val Sherman:old Kathy K:Provider singular... Luc Seufer:even for those slam dunk cases, you need an arbitrator to render a ruling Luc Seufer:registrars and other prospective PP aren't as knwoledgeable as arbitrators from NAF Mary Wong:Agree with Kiran re "slam dunk" - culturally difficult. Stephanie Perrin:How about "irrefutable"? Holly Raiche:Maybe replace slam duck with something like compelling Graeme Bunton:Slam Duck is a hilarious typo. Luc Seufer:that's the down under version Susan Kawaguchi:I have to drop off for another call. Agree with removing slam dunk, also not comfortable with anything after including but not limited to. Val Sherman:I like compelling Stephanie Perrin:Slam dunk implies that there is really no credible alternative, whereas compelling is not....there could be two compelling arguments, hence the need for complex case review,,,, Holly Raiche:Sorry re he spelling - but I'm glad Graeme likes it. Bladel - Happy Now, Graeme?:It's March, Slam Dunk works for me. :P Philip Corwin:Must depart for another call. regrets Terri Agnew:goodbye philip Kiran Malancharuvil:Agree with Steve that a Battered Woman's Shelter that has infringing content on its website is not excused from infringing. Kiran Malancharuvil:Although it is clear that those types of cases are very dangerous and we should not reveal locations willy nilly, I think we're trying to put good standards in place to protect all. Stephanie Perrin:I think we are conflating risk and reasonable grounds here, agree that if a requestor submits a slam-dunk case regarding a woman's shelter, the issue of the risk of revelation must be treated separately. Stephanie Perrin:A process diagram might be helpful here. Graeme Bunton:that's a good point Stephanie Kathy K:Lots to discuss in appeals Luc Seufer:Agreed Stephanie, we had a case where someone was asking us to suspend a website because it was hosting illegal material (phishing) and it appeared that it was the complainant who hacked the website of our customer to place the illegal content to have it suspended. Stephanie Perrin:@Luc yes and I am assured by the folks who defend free speech that this is a constant problem....in fact, when we were setting up the recommendations for anonymous domain registration in the EWG, I agreed to enhanced security mechanisms because those who need anonymous registration also need enhanced security to defend against constant attempts to tar them with malware etc, Mary Wong:Is it possible to combine I.C and the new III.G into a single paragraph somewhere? Kathy K:It certainly bears repeating here...perhaps as a note? Luc Seufer:I would keep both to make it crystal clear Holly Raiche:It's the jurisdiction in which the lawyeer practices David Cake:Nationality of the lawyer perhaps not, but fair use vs fair dealing jurisdiction might be significant in some circumstances Mary Wong:@Holly, @David - yes, I'm from Singapore but was employed by a law firm n its New York and then Brussels and London offices. Mary Wong:So may be preferable to specify jurisdiction rather than nationality? Kiran Malancharuvil:Much prefer jurisdiction to nationality Kiran Malancharuvil:Yes Steve, and while we recognize the vulnerability issues, that should be accounted for within the text and equally applied to all Val Sherman:+1 Steve -- need to add use examples if we go this route Mary Wong:FWIW there are ICANN staff members who have worked on privacy, data protection issues Kathy K:Tx Steve, Tx All! Val Sherman:Can we briefly address F2F meeting dates? Graeme Bunton:That was a lot of heavy lifting from Kathy, Steve and others, thank you. Frank Michlick:Thank you Holly Raiche:Thanks all Kiran Malancharuvil:Thanks to all drafters. So much work and much appreciated. Mary Wong:@Val, we're checking dates and chairs will likely decide in the next couple of days David Cake:Thanks Val Sherman:Thanks Mary! Val Sherman:thanks all!