Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 22 April 2014 at 14:00 UTC at: <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140422-en.mp3> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140422-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar%23mar> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Luc Seufer - RrSG Graeme Bunton - RrSG Tim Ruiz - RrSG Steve Metalitz - IPC Kathy Kleiman - RySG Darcy Southwell - RrSG Libby Baney - BC Susan Prosser - RrSG Justin Macy - BC Jim Bikoff - IPC David Heasley - IPC Michele Neylon - RrSG Jennifer Standiford - RrSG James Bladel - RrSG Volker Greimann - RrSG Tatiana Khramtsova - RrSG Paul McGrady - IPC Tobias Sattler - RrSG Phil Marano - IPC Christain Dawson - ISPCP Don Blumenthal - RySG Griffin Barnett - IPC Valeriya Sherman - IPC Amr Elsadr - NCUC Maria Farrell - NCUC Marie-Laure Lemineur - NPOC Todd Williams - IPC Don Moody - IPC Michael Palage - RySG Alex Deacon - IPC Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC Apologies: Gema Campillos - GAC Kristina Rosette - IPC Sarah Wyld - RrSG Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP ICANN staff: Marika Konings Mary Wong Amy Bivins Joe Catapano Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg> https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 22 April 2014: Marika Konings:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 22 April 2014 Amr Elsadr:Yes. Hello. Graeme Bunton:G'mornin all Bladel:g'mornin' y'all Michele Neylon:Getting more coffee Michele Neylon:but listening Alex Deacon:Good morning. Terri Agnew:Tim Ruiz has joined audio Tim Ruiz:I am now also on adobe. Terri Agnew:Jennifer standiford has joined Jennifer Standiford:good morning Bladel:More of a notification at this point. :) Terri Agnew:Phil Marano has joined Terri Agnew:Volker Greimann has joined Volker Greimann:sorry for my lateness Kathy K:we're not looking for perfect - just good, workable and hopefully as automated as easy as possible Volker Greimann:Tim: I'd put them in the "nice to have" category Darcy Southwell:One concern I have with this idea is that, if the transfer fails, we now have our privacy service information listed without any connection to a P/P customer that we have. Tim Ruiz:@Volker, right. Bladel:Agree with Tim. IF you suppor this, here are some uniform standards. But agree we shouldn't require feature sets. Terri Agnew:Maria Farrell has joined Volker Greimann:I would see it as a recommendation according to these lines: "To enable privacy protection during transfers, the gaining/losing registrar may...." Bladel:I think we should address Steve's first point: Is this a matter of policy or product development/innovation? Paul McGrady:I would be happy to be in that offline subgroup if everyone decides we should have one Terri Agnew:Marie-Laure Lemineur has joined Volker Greimann:that way we could implement policy excemptions to transfer policies, RAA requirements, etc. Marie-laure Lemineur -NPOC:Apologies for the being late steve metalitz:I am open to making this an accreditation requirement IF there is a practical way to do it. The purpose of the subgroup would be to answer whether it is practical. steve metalitz:"This" = enabling transfer without losing p/p protection. Kathy K:Agree with Steve! Paul McGrady:Agree with Steve and Kathy Amr Elsadr:Also agree with Steve. Val Sherman:+1 @Steve Tim Ruiz:Could we not just say that all notices required via RAA or Policy by ICANN should be relayed? Darcy Southwell:Agree with Steve, Kathy, and Tim. Kathy K:If the Kathy K:Registrant has the AuthInfo code, does that help? Kathy K:Is there an AuthInfo code for the Redemption Grace Period? Michele Neylon:You can't transfer during redemption Kathy K:+1 Tim - and tx you! Kathy K:Michele, tx for clarification. Kathy K:Understand Tim Ruiz:Conditions under which a p/p would terminate its service should be REQUIRED to be communicated to the beneficial user. But providing for non-diclosure of their data if transfering should only be suggested, or at most a best practice recommendation. Kathy K:Interesting, can we factor in Tim's information? Kathy K:In this case too, it seems there is no reason to disclose the underlying personal data of the Registrant Michele Neylon:I'll shove my comment in the chat Michele Neylon:Can you force me to do business with someone? Michele Neylon:We're a private company Michele Neylon:We could say that we don't support a particular type of software Michele Neylon:0h wait - we do that already :) Bladel:correct. Kathy K:+1 to Steve's suggestion for a subgroup on Transfers. I volunteer. Tim Ruiz:No objection to "small" group looking at the transfer issues as a whole, but will it be small? Bladel:I agree Michele. Then that takes "mandatory" privacy/proxy service transfers off the table. Tim Ruiz:Don't we require registries to deal with all registrars except under certain specific situations. Michele Neylon:Thankfully KS is a reseller / wholesaler so they have experience Michele Neylon:Tim - they have to abuse us all equally Tim Ruiz:Exactly. So should we not have to abuse all accredited p/p services equally. Paul McGrady:Great call! Thanks everyone. Kathy K:Great, tx Don and All! Michele Neylon:We don't have to offer all TLDs Phil Marano:Thank you. Marie-laure Lemineur -NPOC:thank you Don Mary Wong:Thanks everyone. Michele Neylon:But it's an interesting question .. Michele Neylon:*gone* Tobias Sattler:Bye