last transfer thoughts
Hi All, I wanted to point out two other transfer scenarios where not publishing the Whois information of a proxy/privacy customer makes sense and seems fair: 1) I decide to transfer all my domain names to Blacknight from a US Registrar and its affiliated proxy/privacy service. In doing so, I sign up at transfer for Blacknight's proxy/privacy service. Why shouldn't my personal data be protected in that transfer -- with the Whois shifting from one proxy/privacy service provider to another, both with my underlying personal data? 2) My Registrar loses its accreditation and all domain names are transferred to Tucows. I sign up right away for Tucows privacy service. Why should my personal data be published in this already-difficult situation? Why should potentially thousands or even millions of registrants lose their privacy? Best and tx, Kathy
Hi Kathy, 1) In your example the US Registrar is not aware that you will use Blacknights P/P service and tries to prevent their P/P data ending up at Blacknight. We have a simmilar thing going on with .DE transfers, to avoid our Admin C contact being used with domain names not under our management we force the registrant to provide a new Admin C contact when requesting an authcode. 2) Good point, looks like the policy when a registrar loses it's accreditation needs to be changed. Regards Theo ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "Kathy Kleiman" <kathy@kathykleiman.com> Aan: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Verzonden: Maandag 21 april 2014 22:53:15 Onderwerp: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] last transfer thoughts Hi All, I wanted to point out two other transfer scenarios where not publishing the Whois information of a proxy/privacy customer makes sense and seems fair: 1) I decide to transfer all my domain names to Blacknight from a US Registrar and its affiliated proxy/privacy service. In doing so, I sign up at transfer for Blacknight's proxy/privacy service. Why shouldn't my personal data be protected in that transfer -- with the Whois shifting from one proxy/privacy service provider to another, both with my underlying personal data? 2) My Registrar loses its accreditation and all domain names are transferred to Tucows. I sign up right away for Tucows privacy service. Why should my personal data be published in this already-difficult situation? Why should potentially thousands or even millions of registrants lose their privacy? Best and tx, Kathy _______________________________________________ Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg
Kathy At a technical level, if the FOA email can get through to you behind your P/P service, then there's no reason to publish / reveal the underlying contact details . .. The reason we usually ask people to remove the service at the moment is, to the best of my knowledge, because a LOT of the emails don't reach their destination ie. The FOA email isn't relayed .. BUT You would need to have a mechanism to make sure that GD's PP stuff wasn't being used in whois (or its replacement) once the domain is no longer with them. Regards Michele PS: I've only had one coffee so I could be missing something really obvious and dumb . .. -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 -----Original Message----- From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Kleiman Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 9:53 PM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] last transfer thoughts Hi All, I wanted to point out two other transfer scenarios where not publishing the Whois information of a proxy/privacy customer makes sense and seems fair: 1) I decide to transfer all my domain names to Blacknight from a US Registrar and its affiliated proxy/privacy service. In doing so, I sign up at transfer for Blacknight's proxy/privacy service. Why shouldn't my personal data be protected in that transfer -- with the Whois shifting from one proxy/privacy service provider to another, both with my underlying personal data? 2) My Registrar loses its accreditation and all domain names are transferred to Tucows. I sign up right away for Tucows privacy service. Why should my personal data be published in this already-difficult situation? Why should potentially thousands or even millions of registrants lose their privacy? Best and tx, Kathy _______________________________________________ Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg
Tx Michele, this makes sense and looks like it solves the problem. Now to find a way to codify... Best, Kathy :
Kathy
At a technical level, if the FOA email can get through to you behind your P/P service, then there's no reason to publish / reveal the underlying contact details . ..
The reason we usually ask people to remove the service at the moment is, to the best of my knowledge, because a LOT of the emails don't reach their destination ie. The FOA email isn't relayed ..
BUT
You would need to have a mechanism to make sure that GD's PP stuff wasn't being used in whois (or its replacement) once the domain is no longer with them.
Regards
Michele
PS: I've only had one coffee so I could be missing something really obvious and dumb . ..
-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
-----Original Message----- From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Kleiman Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 9:53 PM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] last transfer thoughts
Hi All, I wanted to point out two other transfer scenarios where not publishing the Whois information of a proxy/privacy customer makes sense and seems fair: 1) I decide to transfer all my domain names to Blacknight from a US Registrar and its affiliated proxy/privacy service. In doing so, I sign up at transfer for Blacknight's proxy/privacy service. Why shouldn't my personal data be protected in that transfer -- with the Whois shifting from one proxy/privacy service provider to another, both with my underlying personal data?
2) My Registrar loses its accreditation and all domain names are transferred to Tucows. I sign up right away for Tucows privacy service. Why should my personal data be published in this already-difficult situation? Why should potentially thousands or even millions of registrants lose their privacy?
Best and tx, Kathy _______________________________________________ Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg
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Kathy Kleiman -
Michele Neylon - Blacknight -
Theo Geurts