Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] [GNSO-ppsai-pdp-wg] Openness of WHOIS
Further to our discussion this morning about the openness (or otherwise) of WHOIS, here is the quote I was referring to from the SSAC document 003, from 2003: In order for Whois data to be readily available it must be both accessible and usable by automatic tools. To be accessible the Whois protocol must be updated to support the recent shift in the architecture to separate the functions of the registry and the registrar. This shift has made it impractical to support searching and frequently makes it difficult to find Whois services. To be usable the data returned by Whois services must in be a common format. *However, being accessible and usable must also protect a registrant's privacy. Many * *countries require that personal information is protected but in addition registrants may * *wish to discourage the unintended, undesirable, and otherwise unwanted uses of their * *Whois data. In particular, it is widely believed that Whois data is a source of email * *addresses for the distribution of spam. Methods must be developed to discourage the * *harvesting or mining of Whois information*. I interpret this as support for the notion that there have been reservations from parties other than civil society, with respect to the concept of all WHOIS data being freely available, from the early days of ICANN. Stephanie Perrin
While this is true, we cannot ignore the Affirmation of Commitments: 9.3.1 ICANN additionally commits to enforcing its existing policy relating to WHOIS, subject to applicable laws. Such existing policy requires that ICANN implement measures to maintain timely, unrestricted and public access to accurate and complete WHOIS information, including registrant, technical, billing, and administrative contact information. One year from the effective date of this document and then no less frequently than every three years thereafter, ICANN will organize a review of WHOIS policy and its implementation to assess the extent to which WHOIS policy is effective and its implementation meets the legitimate needs of law enforcement and promotes consumer trust. On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:13 PM, Stephanie Perrin < stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
Further to our discussion this morning about the openness (or otherwise) of WHOIS, here is the quote I was referring to from the SSAC document 003, from 2003: In order for Whois data to be readily available it must be both accessible and usable by automatic tools. To be accessible the Whois protocol must be updated to support the recent shift in the architecture to separate the functions of the registry and the registrar. This shift has made it impractical to support searching and frequently makes it difficult to find Whois services. To be usable the data returned by Whois services must in be a common format. *However, being accessible and usable must also protect a registrant's privacy. Many * *countries require that personal information is protected but in addition registrants may * *wish to discourage the unintended, undesirable, and otherwise unwanted uses of their * *Whois data. In particular, it is widely believed that Whois data is a source of email * *addresses for the distribution of spam. Methods must be developed to discourage the * *harvesting or mining of Whois information*.
I interpret this as support for the notion that there have been reservations from parties other than civil society, with respect to the concept of all WHOIS data being freely available, from the early days of ICANN. Stephanie Perrin
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Terri The key words in there are: “existing policy” – that’s subject to change and there are more than half a dozen current WHOIS related activities ongoing “applicable laws” Both .cat and .tel whois is compliant with EU data privacy law and protects the rights of private individuals BUT allows for access to data to LEA See: http://fundacio.cat/ca/whois-access for example Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.blacknight.press - get our latest news & media coverage http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Social: http://mneylon.social ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Terri Stumme Sent: 04 March 2015 05:08 To: Stephanie Perrin Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] [GNSO-ppsai-pdp-wg] Openness of WHOIS While this is true, we cannot ignore the Affirmation of Commitments: 9.3.1 ICANN additionally commits to enforcing its existing policy relating to WHOIS, subject to applicable laws. Such existing policy requires that ICANN implement measures to maintain timely, unrestricted and public access to accurate and complete WHOIS information, including registrant, technical, billing, and administrative contact information. One year from the effective date of this document and then no less frequently than every three years thereafter, ICANN will organize a review of WHOIS policy and its implementation to assess the extent to which WHOIS policy is effective and its implementation meets the legitimate needs of law enforcement and promotes consumer trust. On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:13 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca<mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote: Further to our discussion this morning about the openness (or otherwise) of WHOIS, here is the quote I was referring to from the SSAC document 003, from 2003: In order for Whois data to be readily available it must be both accessible and usable by automatic tools. To be accessible the Whois protocol must be updated to support the recent shift in the architecture to separate the functions of the registry and the registrar. This shift has made it impractical to support searching and frequently makes it difficult to find Whois services. To be usable the data returned by Whois services must in be a common format. However, being accessible and usable must also protect a registrant's privacy. Many countries require that personal information is protected but in addition registrants may wish to discourage the unintended, undesirable, and otherwise unwanted uses of their Whois data. In particular, it is widely believed that Whois data is a source of email addresses for the distribution of spam. Methods must be developed to discourage the harvesting or mining of Whois information. I interpret this as support for the notion that there have been reservations from parties other than civil society, with respect to the concept of all WHOIS data being freely available, from the early days of ICANN. Stephanie Perrin _______________________________________________ Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg -- Terri Stumme Intellligence Analyst
Right. If a PDP decided to abolish all Whois data but the initials of the registrant, that would still allow ICANN to live up to the document. Volker Am 04.03.2015 um 11:06 schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:
Terri
The key words in there are:
“existing policy” – that’s subject to change and there are more than half a dozen current WHOIS related activities ongoing
“applicable laws”
Both .cat and .tel whois is compliant with EU data privacy law and protects the rights of private individuals BUT allows for access to data to LEA
See: http://fundacio.cat/ca/whois-access for example
Regards
Michele
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*From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Terri Stumme *Sent:* 04 March 2015 05:08 *To:* Stephanie Perrin *Cc:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] [GNSO-ppsai-pdp-wg] Openness of WHOIS
While this is true, we cannot ignore the Affirmation of Commitments:
9.3.1 ICANN additionally commits to enforcing its existing policy relating to WHOIS, subject to applicable laws. Such existing policy requires that ICANN implement measures to maintain timely, unrestricted and public access to accurate and complete WHOIS information, including registrant, technical, billing, and administrative contact information. One year from the effective date of this document and then no less frequently than every three years thereafter, ICANN will organize a review of WHOIS policy and its implementation to assess the extent to which WHOIS policy is effective and its implementation meets the legitimate needs of law enforcement and promotes consumer trust.
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:13 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca <mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
Further to our discussion this morning about the openness (or otherwise) of WHOIS, here is the quote I was referring to from the SSAC document 003, from 2003:
In order for Whois data to be readily available it must be both accessible and usable by
automatic tools. To be accessible the Whois protocol must be updated to support the
recent shift in the architecture to separate the functions of the registry and the registrar.
This shift has made it impractical to support searching and frequently makes it difficult to
find Whois services. To be usable the data returned by Whois services must in be a
common format.
*However, being accessible and usable must also protect a registrant's privacy. Many *
*countries require that personal information is protected but in addition registrants may *
*wish to discourage the unintended, undesirable, and otherwise unwanted uses of their *
*Whois data. In particular, it is widely believed that Whois data is a source of email *
*addresses for the distribution of spam. Methods must be developed to discourage the *
*harvesting or mining of Whois information*.
I interpret this as support for the notion that there have been reservations from parties other than civil society, with respect to the concept of all WHOIS data being freely available, from the early days of ICANN. Stephanie Perrin
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Well, isn't that going out the door soon anyway when the IANA function is released? Also note that there is no single unified whois policy. All this states is that there must be "public access to accurate and complete WHOIS information, including registrant, technical, billing, and administrative contact information". Nowhere does it state that the registrant may not avail himself of agents to fulfill this requirement for him. And nowhere does it state that this agent must reveal his customers data. Best, Volker Am 04.03.2015 um 06:07 schrieb Terri Stumme:
While this is true, we cannot ignore the Affirmation of Commitments: 9.3.1 ICANN additionally commits to enforcing its existing policy relating to WHOIS, subject to applicable laws. Such existing policy requires that ICANN implement measures to maintain timely, unrestricted and public access to accurate and complete WHOIS information, including registrant, technical, billing, and administrative contact information. One year from the effective date of this document and then no less frequently than every three years thereafter, ICANN will organize a review of WHOIS policy and its implementation to assess the extent to which WHOIS policy is effective and its implementation meets the legitimate needs of law enforcement and promotes consumer trust.
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:13 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca <mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
Further to our discussion this morning about the openness (or otherwise) of WHOIS, here is the quote I was referring to from the SSAC document 003, from 2003: In order for Whois data to be readily available it must be both accessible and usable by automatic tools. To be accessible the Whois protocol must be updated to support the recent shift in the architecture to separate the functions of the registry and the registrar. This shift has made it impractical to support searching and frequently makes it difficult to find Whois services. To be usable the data returned by Whois services must in be a common format. *However, being accessible and usable must also protect a registrant's privacy. Many * *countries require that personal information is protected but in addition registrants may * *wish to discourage the unintended, undesirable, and otherwise unwanted uses of their * *Whois data. In particular, it is widely believed that Whois data is a source of email * *addresses for the distribution of spam. Methods must be developed to discourage the * *harvesting or mining of Whois information*.
I interpret this as support for the notion that there have been reservations from parties other than civil society, with respect to the concept of all WHOIS data being freely available, from the early days of ICANN. Stephanie Perrin
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