Dear all, Please find below the Adobe Connect recording, chat and attendance from the Next-Gen RDS drafting team 2 - Domain Name Control -and- Individual Internet Use call held on Tuesday, 24 October 2017 at 13:00 UTC. Adobe Connect recording: https://participate.icann.org/p4e3e48g3xc/<https://participate.icann.org/p4e3e48g3xc/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=ba32205baa7d5c6f9f2d022df27c77f6f8ad33f70eee561c5b2448cd9588aee0> Apology: Daniel Nanghaka Attendance: Susan Kawaguchi, Maxim Alzoba, Volker Greimann, Tapani Tarvainen, Andrew Sullivan Staff: Julie Bisland Thank you. Kind regards, Julie Adobe Connect Chat: Julie Bisland:Welcome to the Next-Gen RDS Drafting team #2: Domain Name Control -and- Individual Internet Use call on 24 October 2017 at 13:00 UTC Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):Hello All Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):it is Starbucks , music and students :( Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):will use chat mostly Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):I think we need Volker (for Registrars perspective) Tapani Tarvainen:Yes. We won't get very far with just the three of us. :-( Tapani Tarvainen:Unfortunately I haven't had time to go through it with any detail Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):about 1. Account creation: Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):there is a difference between creation of registrant ID in RO system and in Registrar system Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):so it could be Accounts creation and not account creation Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):domain transfer is done via e-mail or offline (fax) usually Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):as parties have to have proof of request e.t.c. and voice does not fit here Tapani Tarvainen:So both registrant-registrant and same owner between two registrars are covered? Any need to differentiate them? Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):we have two elements instead of one and it seems to be important Tapani Tarvainen:Yes, having accounts in plural sounds good to me, can't see it making any difference in the other columns though Tapani Tarvainen:Hi Volker! Julie Bisland:Welcome Volker :) Volker Greimann:Hello. Sorry for the delay, but I think I indicated I would not be available in the doodle, as I have a meeting that usually runs until now... Volker Greimann:but I am fine with now Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):Hi Volker! Tapani Tarvainen:+1 Maxim Tapani Tarvainen:In Data column perhaps expiration date? Tapani Tarvainen:for portfolio mgmt that is Tapani Tarvainen:contact info could also be relevant in Data field for Deletion/Update/Renewals Tapani Tarvainen:Maxim: yes, there're two different use cases. Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):actual deletion is done on behalf of registrant, or by registrar, or by registry (and URS, court actions, ICANN might cause those) Tapani Tarvainen:So perhaps describe two different things in the Tasks column? Tapani Tarvainen:Validation: anyone with a legal gripe ... Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):also Law Enforcement might request it (and Registry itselft) Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):about Contact validation Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):Plese give mic to Voplker Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):Volker Tapani Tarvainen:Volker: at this point I think we're just listing _possible_ users and uses, describing them, not arguing for or against inclusion in the RDS Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):Registrar is in contractual relations with Registrant/Reseller ... and might check validity for business purposes Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):but yes, Volker said it right - using internal data sets Julie Bisland:Welcome Andrew Sullivan! andrew sullivan:a million apologies -- a minor emergency kept me away from my computer so I couldn't even warn I'd be late. Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):Registry has no direct relations with registrant (usually , when they are not registrant themself) Tapani Tarvainen:So let's describe the current transfer process - we're not supposed to decide whether or not that is good or justifies the data in RDS, Tapani Tarvainen:If we try to decide or even collect all reasons for and against including these in RDS there's no way we'll get it done in the time we have. So let's concentrate on defining or describing the things and leave the need for RDS to the large group. andrew sullivan:My point is that nobody needs the RDS for this now. The <domain:info> and <contact:info> commands are enough Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):do we still have audio? andrew sullivan:also, I appear to have lost audio? Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):I lost it andrew sullivan:oh, good :) Tapani Tarvainen:I can hear you Susan Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):I hear you now Tapani Tarvainen:Maybe describe the transfer tasks and put in Users column "nobody" :-) andrew sullivan:ok :) Tapani Tarvainen:Not sure what the Real World Contact is for... Tapani Tarvainen:Keep it in but describe it a bit better Tapani Tarvainen:Use cases could include abuse issues Tapani Tarvainen:website lookup doesn't work for email-only domains Tapani Tarvainen:+1 Andrew Tapani Tarvainen:Another (admittedly geeky) consumer protection use case: when browser alerts about cross-site scripting or similar andrew sullivan:Agree. Indeed, if the RDS were more reliable and useful a number of considerable improvements to anti-abuse efforts would be posible andrew sullivan:possible, even andrew sullivan:It's not the registrar who has this problem Tapani Tarvainen:Volker: without disagreeing, we can't decide that here, let's save arguments about that to the main group andrew sullivan:+1 Volker Greimann:sure\ andrew sullivan:I will not be there and won't even be on the phone Volker Greimann:sadly, I only will arrive on Sat night Tapani Tarvainen:It's 5pm here :-) Volker Greimann:I will be at the second meeting andrew sullivan:No, it's my mother's 80th birthday :) Tapani Tarvainen:In Abu Dhabi I'll probably miss half the RDS session andrew sullivan:that's the reason I'm not going Volker Greimann:that is a very good reason\ andrew sullivan:bye a andrew sullivan:l Tapani Tarvainen:Thank you all and bye Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):I am not sure that I will be able to deliver it properly :) Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):bye all and safe travels