Dear all, Please find below the Adobe Connect recording, chat and attendance from the Next-Gen RDS drafting team #5: Regulatory or Contractual Enforcement call on Wednesday, 18 October 2017 at 13:00 UTC. Adobe Connect recording: <https://participate.icann.org/p2eufzhhj08/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=e7a3e0ad59e75812 eb19f72c46929374e3ff7948a26ef4dfdf6de2363e5902f4> https://participate.icann.org/p2eufzhhj08/ Attendance: Chuck Gomes, Elizabeth Bacon, Theo Geurts, Steve Metalitz, Krishna Seeburn, Farell Folly, Bastiaan Goslings Staff: Marika Konings and Terri Agnew Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Adobe Connect Chat: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the RDS DT 5 on Regulatory or Contractual Enforcement on Wednesday 18 October 2017 at 13:00 UTC Krishna Seeburn - Kris:hi terri Krishna Seeburn - Kris:how are you? Krishna Seeburn - Kris:hope better now..... Terri Agnew:Welcome Krishna, all good on my side and you? Krishna Seeburn - Kris:well a bit of pressure.... Krishna Seeburn - Kris:just some headaches.... Krishna Seeburn - Kris:with a work am trying to tidy up Krishna Seeburn - Kris:but i guess i could say good as well Krishna Seeburn - Kris:by the way if am not wrong bastiaan is flying at this time Krishna Seeburn - Kris:i think he apologised.... Terri Agnew:I hope work clears up soon and thank you for the notice on Bastiaan. He asked for the information a bit ago. Krishna Seeburn - Kris:yes he did and i recal a mail he said he was going to be on a flight.... Krishna Seeburn - Kris:But he might join in...if not i think he would be an apology Terri Agnew:if I don't see him join ,I will adjust to apology Krishna Seeburn - Kris:good thnx Krishna Seeburn - Kris:working for me Marika Konings:This is a good rehearsal for me as my DT is only meeting for the first time later today :-) Krishna Seeburn - Kris:thnaks marika Beth Bacon:Thanks, Marika! Farell Folly:that is a very good approach... choosing two group of people Farell Folly:Hi CHuck,I do not have a good internet connection.I have more than 5 years of experience in regulatory (government) are especially in mobile telecommunications and Internet Service providers. Farell Folly:but Not especially with domain names.. Farell Folly:I will. thanks steve metalitz:not on mute but will phone in..... and will type in my expeience Bastiaan Goslings:@Theo: I will certainly pick your brain! ;-) Theo Geurts:Sure thing @Bastiaan, always welcome Farell Folly:I will add on the notes : I am not a lawyer at all.. I am rather tehnical and assist lawyers and legal in their enforcement capacity... Marika Konings:@Beth - could you confirm which report you are referring to? Beth Bacon:@Marika, this is the link to the dataflow matrix that was created as part of the small group working on GDPR issues: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources _pages_gtld-2Dregistration-2Ddataflow-2Dmatrix-2D2017-2D07-2D24-2Den <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resource s_pages_gtld-2Dregistration-2Ddataflow-2Dmatrix-2D2017-2D07-2D24-2Den&d=DwIC aQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9 Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=9ohcEelKeoXMT8lcSFXzsyFnlshQVKjR7Qxy8rV6NgU&s=N_jE2cnT7 gLCzHiec1nFz2N28K15a03yyM0BHLEhI1c&e> &d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXh FzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=9ohcEelKeoXMT8lcSFXzsyFnlshQVKjR7Qxy8rV6NgU&s=N_ jE2cnT7gLCzHiec1nFz2N28K15a03yyM0BHLEhI1c&e= Beth Bacon:More info on the group for those unfamiliar can be found on the ICANN site in the Data Protection and Privacy page. Marika Konings:thanks Beth! Krishna Seeburn - Kris:that's what i undertand as well Marika Konings:I believe the UDRP specifies what information needs to be provided by the registrar. Also, the UDRP Lock rules outline the steps for dealing with P/P registrations (as outlined by Theo). Krishna Seeburn - Kris:not everyone follows the same path though Beth Bacon:Thanks! Marika Konings:@Steve - isn't UDRP provider required to confirm the information with the registrar as part of the UDRP rules (regardless of what can be found in WHOIS)? Or this is not a requirement? Beth Bacon:agreed as well. thanks, Steve Farell Folly:No it is fine. Krishna Seeburn - Kris:none from me....this is what i learned to understand Farell Folly:Hello Chuck, it is not an example but I want that to emphasize that law and juridiction hierarchy and stakeholder definitions are very important, to avoid conflicts and being stuck later on during accountability. Farell Folly:For instance, who is entitled to be bounded by UDPR? What is expected from countries ? What national model is recommended ? Guidelines to handle conflicts...etc steve metalitz:@Marika, yes, the UDRP rules require the UDRP provider to send a "verification request" to registrar. UDRP provider also uses Whois data directly to send notice of the complaint to the respondent. Marika Konings:Thanks Steve. Krishna Seeburn - Kris:To be honest the big ones do....but many are sub sub..that do not even comply properly steve metalitz:+1 Theo. Farrell's questions are more relevant to ccTLDs which are not subject to UDRP. Farell Folly:It is ok. Thanks to both of you. Krishna Seeburn - Kris:yes more cctld Krishna Seeburn - Kris:perhaps later may be the geonames Farell Folly:No necessarily for ccTLD only. WHOIS works for both gTLDs and ccTLDS, therefore both manipulates users data...both types of registries and registrars will have clients across the world Beth Bacon:Totally understand if folks can't or prefer not to use it, but could be helpful as we have a short time to collaborate and turn this all around steve metalitz:I will send to list but would be happy for someone else to create Google doc. Theo Geurts:Sounds like a plan Beth Bacon:I'm happy to do that Steve. Marika Konings:don't we need volunteers for the other use cases? Krishna Seeburn - Kris:we'll help out and discuss Krishna Seeburn - Kris:we wil work it out on list steve metalitz:@Bastiaan, I think Chuck was referring to the use cases Beth (and others) compiled as part of the ICANN effort to respond to GDPR. Bastiaan Goslings:@Steve: Thanks Bastiaan Goslings:clear Beth Bacon:Thanks, all! Krishna Seeburn - Kris:thanks Krishna Seeburn - Kris:cheers steve metalitz:thanks Bastiaan Goslings:thanks, ciao!