Dear all, Please find below the Adobe Connect recording, chat and attendance from the Next-Gen RDS drafting team #7:Criminal Investigation or DNS Abuse Mitigation call on Tuesday, 24 October 2017 at 17:00 UTC. Adobe Connect recording: https://participate.icann.org/p47pp16jba5/ Attendance: Dick Leaning, Rod Rasmussen, Marc Anderson, Raoul Plommer Staff: Marika Konings, Michelle DeSmyter Thank you. Kind regards, Michelle Adobe Connect Chat: Michelle DeSmyter:Welcome to the Next-Gen RDS Drafting team #7: Criminal Investigation or DNS Abuse Mitigation on Tuesday, 24 October 2017 at 17:00 UTC. Marika Konings:I can hear you Michelle dick leaning:evening form Dubai - am on a flakey hotel internet connetion ;-( Marika Konings:Hi Dick Raoul Plommer:Hello, could someone call me at +358445810005 dick leaning:and also trying to eat dodgy room service at the same time - living the dream ;-) Raoul Plommer:thanks! :) Michelle DeSmyter:Absolutely Raoul dick leaning:and sorry Rod - i just had teh time to have a proper look dick leaning:hadnt Rod Rasmussen:I am having a real problem hearing Marika and Marc - is that me? dick leaning:its ok for me Rod Rasmussen:I'll try Adobe connect Marika Konings:Rod, can we dial out to you otherwise? Raoul Plommer:I can wait, I don't have much input yet I'm afraid dick leaning:yes we can hear you Michelle DeSmyter:Not able to hear you now Marika Konings:We can hear you fine Marika Konings:Yes :-) Marc Anderson:I can hear Rod, but the connection isn't good. Marika Konings:If you can give a brief overview of where things stand and what is needed to finalise the document dick leaning:yes dick leaning:tomorrow afternoon i will become free to focus on this Rod Rasmussen:No worries - I want to make sure that folks understand how all this works in as unbiased way as possible to take some of the FUD out of our larger WG discussions. Rod Rasmussen:In other words, I'm very happy to make the time to work on this - just wish the timing was better. Rod Rasmussen:The automated stuff is really important and poorly understood even by people in LE and security. dick leaning:thats were we need Kiran Rod Rasmussen:I believe that is being covered in another WG Marika Konings:I believe that is correct Rod Rasmussen:May want to mention the overlap and point to that team. When we bring them together, we should do a gap analysis. Raoul Plommer:ok dick leaning:and content? dick leaning:ok dick leaning:thanks Rod Rasmussen:This gets dicey when you're talking about things like pharma vs. stuff like TM infringement - content on websites vs. the actual name itself. dick leaning:exaclty Rod Rasmussen:Should we coordinate with them now? Raoul Plommer:I'm still very much at learning stage and I've barely started to go through the documents and issues of RDS. Sorry for the confusion. Raoul Plommer:Some of the IP enforcement seems to get access to this data from many domains at once, automatically so I guess that would have something to do with the way how this data is accessed and over what threshold. Raoul Plommer:That could be more relevant to this group Rod Rasmussen:On more work from me - I will be putting some more cases up in the next 24 hours, but then have a long plane flight from AMS to Abu Dhabi on Thursday morning where I should be able to flesh this out fully. Rod Rasmussen:Info-sec and other private actors aren't usually interested in attribution, so that's a big difference. Rod Rasmussen:The whois is usually more of a starting point for taking other actions that may lead to attribution or mitigation or other stuff. dick leaning:yes dick leaning:more distruption is now the buzz word dick leaning:the cyber crime is very diverse dick leaning:yes Raoul Plommer:I definitely won't feel comfortable presenting this material in a week, hopefully by Puerto Rico I'll be closer to that. Rod Rasmussen:I will adding one more right after this call - so give it just a few minutes. :-) dick leaning:Rod hehehehe dick leaning:lol Marika Konings:are there any breaks in that meeting? Rod Rasmussen:lol dick leaning:sounds a plan Rod Rasmussen:I'm good Marc Anderson:thank you, safe travels Raoul Plommer:See in a few days! dick leaning:bye bye Rod Rasmussen:safe travels everyone!