Scott Sure, but if we go down that route we could make cases for a lot of things ☺ My main problem with this entire debacle is that the data we’re dealing with is pretty much useless and isn’t personally identifiable. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Social: http://mneylon.social Some thoughts: http://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: Scott Hollenbeck <shollenbeck@verisign.com> Date: Wednesday 25 January 2017 at 17:15 To: Michele Neylon <michele@blacknight.com>, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>, Sam Lanfranco <sam@lanfranco.net>, "dave@davecake.net" <dave@davecake.net> Cc: "gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open: 18 January Poll on Purpose From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Michele Neylon - Blacknight Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:09 PM To: Stephanie Perrin; Sam Lanfranco; David Cake Cc: gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open: 18 January Poll on Purpose Stephanie Sorry, but policy + the technology go hand in hand. You cannot completely separate them and any policy that this (or any other) group produces needs to be technically possible to implement. As to the specifics .. I would argue that generated data is NOT collected, as it’s generated. If you register stephanieperrin.com with us the only elements we are “collecting” that end up in in the “thin” data are: the domain name string the nameservers you’re using (and if you don’t specify any we’ll use our own) All the other elements are NOT collected by the registrar or even the registry from the registrant, they are generated as part of the process of the domain being registered. [SAH] Michele, some might argue that the registration period is also collected from the registrant and is then used to generate the expiration date at the registry. A case might also be made for status values like clientTransferProhibited etc. I agree completely that generated data is just that – generated. Scott