“The more we subdivide, the more argumentative it is going to get.” This is the point I was trying to drive in my original post and my concern about the statement being too complex. I may be completely naïve, but it seems to me that if we keep the statement concise, whereby including all, and account for rules, regulations and laws, as noted in the first paragraph, much of the “tensions” and concerns held by the various groups will be addressed. It will be a more focused discussion where we can find common ground and compromise. Granted, there would likely still be a handful of concerns to address and resolve, but it would be a handful, not an ocean. Sara On 8/23/16, 7:27 AM, "gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Volker Greimann" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org on behalf of vgreimann@key-systems.net> wrote: You are probably right. The more we subdivide, the more argumentative it is going to get. I was just observing that the two camps proposed below were to narrow and did not encompass all customers. Volker Am 23.08.2016 um 15:38 schrieb Andrew Sullivan: > I think this entire notion of "camps" is the wrong way to go about it. > It's a military metaphor, after all, and it suggests that someone > needs to "win the battle". If we start from that point of view, we > risk polarization for no obvious good reason, we possibly neglect > alternative points of view that are less concerned about this > particular dichotomy, and we undermine the multi- part of > multi-stakeholder. > > Best regards, > > A > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 10:40:07PM +0000, Mark Svancarek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote: >> Camp #1: >> Consumers, the domain name industry, governments, and intellectual property owners, and individual registrants all have a vested interest in an RDS system which contains accurate and complete registration data…. These stakeholders have similar yet distinct requirements regarding the particular data which should be collected and the conditions under which it can be viewed. >> >> Camp #2: >> Additionally, there are some entities which desire anonymity for free speech and personal safety reasons, and their requirements regarding data collection and data access may be at odds with the aforementioned stakeholders. >> >> /msv >> >> From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Sam Lanfranco >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:09 PM >> To: Greg Aaron <gca@icginc.com>; Gomes, Chuck <cgomes@verisign.com>; Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com> >> Cc: RDS PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> >> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] For WG Review - Redlined Problem Statement >> >> >> Greg, As I understand it the "two camps" are just the providers of data and the users of data. >> >> The wording might be "...or other groups, may have interests as providers of data or as users of data depending on circumstances." >> Sam L. >> On 8/18/2016 2:58 PM, Greg Aaron wrote: >> Attached is a revised draft, as requested. Red-line and comments are turned on. >> >> The first paragraph now quotes from the WG’s charter. The last draft paraphrased, which left out relevant sections of the WG’s mission. (Quoting from source docs can help us avoid omissions, scope creep, etc.) >> >> A question: the last draft said “Members of the global population of end-users, whether they are individuals, organizations, companies, or other groups, may fall into either camp depending on circumstances.” >> What are the two camps being referred to, and what are we trying to say with this sentence? It does not seem to be about anonymous registrants in the preceding sentence, otherwise we’d say “registrants” rather than “end-users.” Are we trying to say that there is a wide range of end-users and they may have various views on the issues depending on their use cases and circumstances? >> >> All best, >> --Greg >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ------------------------------------------------ >> >> "It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured >> >> in an unjust state" -Confucius >> >> 邦有道，贫且贱焉，耻也。邦无道，富且贵焉，耻也 >> >> ------------------------------------------------ >> >> Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar) >> >> Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3 >> >> email: Lanfran@Yorku.ca<mailto:Lanfran@Yorku.ca> Skype: slanfranco >> >> blog: http://samlanfranco.blogspot.com >> >> Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852 >> _______________________________________________ >> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list >> gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg > -- Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung. 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