Dear All, Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email. The MP3, Adobe Connect recording and Adobe Connect chat below for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Sub Team for Data call held Wednesday, 18 October 2017at 17:00 UTC. Attendance of the call is posted on agenda wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/fZREB MP3: https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-18oct17-en.mp3 Adobe Connect recording: <https://participate.icann.org/p1ck9gxntzv/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=e7a3e0ad59e75812 eb19f72c46929374e3ff7948a26ef4dfdf6de2363e5902f4> https://participate.icann.org/p1ck9gxntzv/ The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar> https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-data/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-data/ Main wiki page for the working group: <https://community.icann.org/x/hY1EB> https://community.icann.org/x/hY1EB Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Adobe Connect chat transcript for 18 October 2017: Terri Agnew:Welcome to the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Sub Team for Data on Wednesday, 18 October at 17:00 UTC for 90 minute duration Terri Agnew:agenda wiki page: <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_ fZREB&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCI gmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso &s=GpYeFynHuNV9kWoU0NtOVWAdAgKFgZljjw8kkcSB51E&e> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_f ZREB&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIg mkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso& s=GpYeFynHuNV9kWoU0NtOVWAdAgKFgZljjw8kkcSB51E&e= Kathy Kleiman:Great, tx Terri! George Kirikos:Hi folks. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All Kathy Kleiman:Terri, we may want to delay by our usual two minutes to allow more people to join. Terri Agnew:thank you Kathy Paul Tattersfield:Hi everyone Cyntia King:Hello beautiful people! Philip Corwin:hello all claudio:greetings! Griffin Barnett:I have an SOI update, which you can view here: <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_di splay_gnsosoi_Griffin-2BBarnett-2BSOI&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbP SS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn 1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso&s=80KhOJa5buiMfJ7gXjQZTejJqMhx3iWCnlA2BW075 Ag&e> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_dis play_gnsosoi_Griffin-2BBarnett-2BSOI&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPS S6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1 cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso&s=80KhOJa5buiMfJ7gXjQZTejJqMhx3iWCnlA2BW075A g&e= David McAuley:I am now on adobe as well Phil Marano:I owe an SOI update, and will make it now, then send a link to the list. J. Scott:i am here Terri Agnew:if assistance is needed logging into your GNSO SOI - send an email to <mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> gnso-secs@icann.org for assistance Jon Nevett (Donuts):Congrats Griffin and Phil! Griffin Barnett:Thanks Jon claudio:Is there value in also meeting with the Sub-Pro WG leadership, since our charters are interrelated? Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Do we expect URS reps during the meeting? Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):3 providers already Jeff Neuman:I am not sure how many attendees will actually have epxeriences with the URS (other than perhaps contracted parties implementing it) Philip Corwin:@Maixim--by URS reps do you mean from the three providers? Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Philip, yes Jeff Neuman:Are there 3 providers of the URS? Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_ resources_pages_urs-2D2014-2D01-2D09-2Den&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzg fkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs 8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso&s=ggjo0vLMQrB79T-XCpAb4s2367K1KX20pLcEM BfE8Rc&e= Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):the first is the most popular Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):but all three are fully qualified Philip Corwin:Yes--NAF, ADNDRC, and a provider in Italy name of which escapes me at moment -- but NAF has handled about 90% claudio:can also consider inviting WIPO (even though they aren't a current provider) George Kirikos:3rd is MFSD Mary Wong:@Jeff, at the moment, yes, three (ADNDRC, MFSD, FORUM) George Kirikos:https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__newgtlds.icann. org_en_applicants_urs&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM &r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BL BYGfayjQ3zp1vGso&s=WC_Ikju691j9YNB-9IFyK4RpxPX_TT39a4N7RyPQxMY&e= Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):MFSD srl, Italy Mary Wong:2 of the 3 URS providers have reps who are members of this Working Group. claudio:thanks, Kathy! Jeff Neuman:The first one has 30 cases or so (Asian Dispute Resolution Centre) Phil Marano:Here is a link to my updated SOI: <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_di splay_gnsosoi_Phillip-2BVincent-2BMarano-2BSOI&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3 mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6H EA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso&s=_XRhq0ycVmM_UMGh9jSPadgS2l-V1qJp aCt6plORtco&e> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_dis play_gnsosoi_Phillip-2BVincent-2BMarano-2BSOI&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3m SVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HE A6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso&s=_XRhq0ycVmM_UMGh9jSPadgS2l-V1qJpa Ct6plORtco&e= Berry Cobb:ADNDRC 31 ADR Forum 709 MFSD 12 Berry Cobb:as of June 2017 Jeff Neuman:The second one (MFSD) has 10 cases? <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__urs.mfsd.it_urs-2Ddisp utes&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIg mkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso& s=OVV_CVIMtA7zs9aNZyuI3fLku-S8pev9IZM04_SqDdU&e> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__urs.mfsd.it_urs-2Ddispu tes&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgm kXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso&s =OVV_CVIMtA7zs9aNZyuI3fLku-S8pev9IZM04_SqDdU&e= Jeff Neuman:Thanks Berry George Kirikos:14, Jeff. Jeff Neuman:What is the link to the NAF decisions? George Kirikos:https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.adrforum.com _SearchDecisions&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DR a2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfa yjQ3zp1vGso&s=HFNZ9kqMAJj9yCQbspF6D3xkiL_FKNvcdqjk6nbJDxs&e= --- select URS as the Ruleset Philip Corwin:To clarify, are the times noted in item 1 of the Notes for ICANN 60 meetings local time in Abu Dhabi or UTC? Paul Tattersfield:Are the GNSO leadership currently generally pushing all working groups to be more timely? George Kirikos:766 cases there, as of now. Berry Cobb:@Phil - Local time to AD. claudio:one URS case had over 400 domains suspended: <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.circleid.com_posts_ 20161223-5Fheres-5Fthe-5Flargest-5Furs-5Fcomplaint-5Fever-5Ffiled_&d=DwICaQ& c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfq a0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso&s=mjXnXJRhqLMx oe99yVGUdhle3k1PF6sk17EI2QU4YFE&e> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.circleid.com_posts_2 0161223-5Fheres-5Fthe-5Flargest-5Furs-5Fcomplaint-5Fever-5Ffiled_&d=DwICaQ&c =FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa 0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso&s=mjXnXJRhqLMxo e99yVGUdhle3k1PF6sk17EI2QU4YFE&e= Jeff Neuman:Thanks George. Not too user friendly Philip Corwin:Thx Berry Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):not many people know that there could be more than 1 domain per URS case Terri Agnew:next meeting: Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Sub Team for Data Friday, 20 October at 16:00 UTC for 60 minute duration. Jeff Neuman:So 7666 cases right, not names George Kirikos:@Jeff: if you use UDRPSearch.com, and search for "URS" as the text, it'll capture the URS cases (along with some false positives) Jeff Neuman:766 not 76666 George Kirikos:Right. Berry Cobb:The Monday session will provide these types of details similar to how we review the Sunrise data at last week's meeting. Michael R Graham:SubTeam -- Although I do want actively participate, because of work pressures and the fact I will not be attending the Abu Dhabi meeting, I cannot volunteer to help chair. Michael R Graham:@Mary: Who are the members of the team again? Ariel Liang:Members of the Sub Team: <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_ fY1EB&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCI gmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso &s=PYgokmd5u7O093INT-yo6kkYVt5zN0WjfjezfLnRYBs&e> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_f Y1EB&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIg mkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso& s=PYgokmd5u7O093INT-yo6kkYVt5zN0WjfjezfLnRYBs&e= Berry Cobb:Kurt Pritz 2 Kiran Malanchandruvil 3 Kristine Dorrain 4 Lori Schulman 5 Michael Graham 6 Rebecca Tushnet7 Susan Payne George Kirikos:Bye folks (just came for the first part of the call). Have a great day. Cyntia King:Staff is capable - let's do it. Jeff Neuman:Technically ICANN staff should not be chairing (even as interim) Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):flip the coin method? Terri Agnew:everyone can scroll themselves Mary Wong:Document is unsync'ed Jeff Neuman:yep Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I see the document Paul McGrady:Straw Horse was formally adopted by 100% of the community in JoBurg. :) Mary Wong:Thanks, Paul - I remember now! Jeff Neuman:SOme still use Straw Bunny Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):desiging the RFP with the particular provider does not look very transparent Mary Wong:@Maxim, that's not what I was saying, apologies for not being clear. Mary Wong:I was just saying that if people have suggestions for likely providers, we can make them aware of the RFP. Susan Payne:Maxim, I don't think the RFP would be defined with the provider - the survey would be Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Mary, I understand that, I hoped for discussion with set of providers and not limit to the only one Jeff Neuman: am confused....what happened to the original questions we did? Mary Wong:@Jeff, the Charter questions are in Attachment 1 claudio:I don't think i can see the document for some reason Mary Wong:@Claudio, try logging out and in again Jeff Neuman:Not the charter questions, the questions submitted to the Council? claudio:ok, thxs! Mary Wong:@Jeff, can you clarify? The document is what was submitted to the Council (including Attachments 1 & 2). Ariel Liang:@Claudio, you can also access the data request document online directly here: <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_draf ts_rpm-2Dsunrise-2Dtrademark-2Dclaims-2D07sep17-2Den.pdf&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJ p6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4x R2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso&s=K251j_PKD0zo679Udc81yC wCXvgjkzGfwZAZvupVlAE&e> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_draft s_rpm-2Dsunrise-2Dtrademark-2Dclaims-2D07sep17-2Den.pdf&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp 6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR 2EBk&m=6HEA6Qs8bCn1cbzeUAHSGgJn9BLBYGfayjQ3zp1vGso&s=K251j_PKD0zo679Udc81yCw CXvgjkzGfwZAZvupVlAE&e= Mary Wong:@Kristine, that is exactly what the Council had in mind, I believe. claudio:that worked, thanks Mary Jeff Neuman:So the "Purpose and Scope" comes from the previous attachments? Mary Wong:@Jeff, if you mean the description of this item on the agenda, then, yes - based on the Council's discussion and directions. Susan Payne:sounds good Kiran Malancharuvil:I printed it out too Michael! :) Mary Wong:@Jeff, I stand corrected - you're probably referring to Attachment 2 headings. Yes, that is right - based on the Charter questions. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Q14 needs to contain recent clarifications from Nielsen, including breakdown of costs Jeff Neuman:I agree with Michael....this is too difficult with lots of references Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Good point, Michael, I see now that the questions themselves, in Attachment 1 aren't actually sorted in Attachment 2. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I support actually sorting the Questions in Attachment 1 by recipient. Mary Wong:Thanks, Michael and Kristine - staff can add that third column as requested. claudio:agree on need to sort Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Willing to give it a go while we await a chart. We don't need to lose time. Mary Wong:Keep 'em coming Susan :) Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:+1 to the actual question column Cyntia King:+ Susan Mary Wong:What Susan is suggesting is basically what the staff suggestion of a "straw [insert thing of choice]" was - it will really be useful, at the end of this Sub Team exercise, to have a starting set of questions for the professional to work with. Susan Payne:ah thanks Mary - and apologies, I missed the straw bit! Susan Payne:isn't that what we'r4e doing Kathy? Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Yes, that's what we're doing. Susan Payne:if we don't give guidance to the survey providers what we get back risks being not as relevant as possible and so costing more/being a waste of money Cyntia King:From experience, professional pollsters requst clients to provide lots of solid context. In this way questions generate the most meaningful responses. Mary Wong:@Cyntia, yes and thanks - that is what we are hoping the Sub Team can provide. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:yes, some questions are a little squishy. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I think the most important bit is to make the questions to be clear enough so non-members of this group can understand those. Paul Tattersfield:+1 Maxim Cyntia King:+1 Maxim Michael R Graham:@JScott -- Agree totally. Thanks for clarifying what I was trying to say. Mary Wong:OK, thanks J Scott Cyntia King:Pollster will want context - they won't need (or even want) us to write out the Qs ourselves. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):+1 @J Scott , I think the people who can properly translate those questions to human language are members of our PDP WG Cyntia King:I must 'duck out'for about 15 mins. Will return afterward. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Q 8 is better to work with Computer Science students & Law stundents (programming knowledge and knwoledge of intellectual property law ) Berry Cobb:and GDD, and Compliance, and existing RPM vendors like IBM/Deloitte where we need a data refresh (not just Berry).. ;-) Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):going to IBM with request with Q8, part 1 will double the budget Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I reffer to page 9 of the shared document claudio:that was helpful mary Berry Cobb:@Maxim - The arrangement between IBM,Deloitte/ICANN allow for that and thus far we do not forsee additional costs unless there is something extraordinary that the WG seeks. Steve Levy:Sorry folks, need to jump off. Thanks for letting me sit in. Berry Cobb:@Maxim, but you are right, in that specific ask could be extraordinary. We need to perform additional due diligence and requirements. Michael R Graham:@Mary and Subteam -- I agree we focus on 1-6. Staff to create column 3 and Subteam members to review Qs and whether they require clarification for Survey Org and/or draft Column 4 suggested/possible questions tailored to survey target. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Berry, it is a programming idea, quite outside of the current TMCH design and I am sure that it will be seen as a separate item with "additional development costs", when all you need is a bunch of CS students Mary Wong:@Michael, yes, Column 4 (when done) will be what the vendor will be given as guidance (along, of course, with consultation, calls etc.) claudio:@maxim, you may be right, but no harm in asking IBM to confirm , right? Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@claudio., the most important thing will be to remember that it is going to be "IBM costs" , and might not be relevant to others :) Mary Wong:Got it, J Scott Susan Payne:I'm happy with that approach Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Yes Mary Wong:We will have the updated table ready for the Sub Team call this Friday. The task division can then be discussed on the call. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Can I get a clarification on the time of the call on Friday? The last email I have says 1400, but Mary mentioned 1600 earlier. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I ask because I think I have a conflict at 1600 this week. Philip Corwin:Just one pre-departure Berry Cobb:@Kristine - I have 16UTC on Friday Mary Wong:1600 UTC Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:OK, I clearly missed something. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I will see what I can do. Susan Payne:yes Kiran Malancharuvil:I'm okay with this way forward Mary Wong:Will do, J Scott. Cyntia King:Go Team! Mary Wong:That's exactly what we were going to do, Michael :) Mary Wong:Great minds etc. :) David McAuley:great minds indeed Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:thanks everyone. Michael R Graham:@Mary -- Twins from different mothers -- at least in thinking. Philip Corwin:Excellent work running this call, J Scott claudio:thanks! Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:thanks for stepping up J Scott! David McAuley:good bye all Susan Payne:excellent, thanks J Scott Ariel Liang:thanks everyone