Dear All, Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email. The MP3, Adobe Connect recording and Adobe Connect chat below for the Sub Team for Additional Marketplace RPMs call on Friday, 25 August 2017 at 16:00 UTC. 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Kind regards, Michelle Adobe Connect chat transcript for 25 August 2017: Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the Sub Team for Additional Marketplace RPMs on Thursday, 25 August 2017 at 16:00 UTC. Michelle DeSmyter:Agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_N... Paul McGrady:Dialing in now. Thanks! Mary Wong:Welcome back, Paul! Rebecca L Tushnet:I will be on audio only for the last half. Paul McGrady:Thanks Mary! On Audio now too. Greg Shatan:Hi all. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I have a new headset today, so if I use it, I'd appreciate feedback about how it sounds. I know I've been having problems with my mic. Paul McGrady:From Kristin Dorrain on the list this week: Question 6:The question should be deleted. It’s asking for a substantive review of the existence of Additional Marketplace RPMs, not data-gathering to support sunrise and claims statistics. It’s unclear from the recording what the proponents of keeping it think they’re getting at by asking this. Registry contracts (and what is required to be part of a registry contract) are a sensitive issue and this is not the forum to dig into that. Those requesting this information should provide a compelling reason for its inclusion. “Informational purposes” or “might be interesting” is not a compelling reason to dig into a contractual relationship that is NOT the subject of this PDP. Question 6 is a fishing expedition.Question 7:The question should be deleted. It’s asking for a substantive review of the existence of Additional Marketplace RPMs, not data-gathering to support sunrise and claims statistics. The answer will likely be obtained as part of Quest Paul McGrady:From Kurt from the list: I largely agree with Kristine that these question should be deleted. To elaborate slightly: Question 6: One test of whether a question should be deleted is whether the answer would affect our analysis and answer. I do not see how the answer to this question affects our analysis of existing and potential RPMs. These additional RPMs exist, regardless of how they have been approved. There is no reason to ask this question on the chance that it could lead to information that could be uncovered through a more direct, data-related question. I think we have asked these data-related questions above.Question 7: Similarly, if question 7 is deleted, I don’t think we would lose any data as it is already being collected elsewhere. Alternatively, this question might be narrowed and placed under question 3 as an additional bullet, e.g., what information do registries require for Additional Marketplace RPMs from the TMCH, trademark holders, other sources?Question 8: Similar to question 6, I don†Greg Shatan:Happy to help! Philip Corwin:Hello all Mary Wong:We have pasted Kristine's and Kurt's comments on Question 6 into the Notes pod on the right. Mary Wong:We can do the same for Questions 7 & 8. Philip Corwin:Reinforcing what Kathy just stated, co-chairs have a one hour call at 2 pm today to deal with multiple issues, including scope of this work team's responsibilities. We will send a formal statement, but you should presume that the primary duties are question refinement and data availability and gap analysis, with policy issues reserved for discussion and decision at full WG level. This is the general practice we have had for other subteams. Hope that helps. Philip Corwin:Yes, data collection and question consolidation and refinement Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Why is that relevant, please? David McAuley:can hear, yes Mary Wong:Without opining, staff has attempted to rephrase the question for your consideration - see the bullet point under Q6. Greg Shatan:Volume is a little high, Kristine. David McAuley:@Kristine, germane to SSR considerations which seem relevant - I agree SSR is for ICANN as well but think we should note any such issues as we consider RPMs Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Buy why dig for them? Mary Wong:Clarifying to note that staff hasn't rephrased the question (pending Sub Team conclusion on whether the question as phrased is needed); we provided some language in the bullet point underneath to try to focus on any factual response that may be needed. Kathy Kleiman:Agree with Greg so I have lowered my hand. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:If we happen to encounter a concern, someone can raise it, but she should not be digging and investigating. Kathy Kleiman:What's the harm of asking this question? Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:we, not she Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:The harm is interfereing with registry contracting. Kathy Kleiman:Agreed, the relationship of private RPMs to consensus RPMs is within our remit, and therefore this question is a good factual one to ask. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:The relationship with respect to data, yes. Greg Shatan:I thought we were just discussing 6 at the moment.... Greg Shatan:It's not in our remit to look forward and comment on what marketplace RPMs might be. That's not fact-gathering. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Agree with Greg. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:We should not ask "what if" questions. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I also think it's ok to be genuinely curious and interested in how things like DPML get started, but it's just not in scope here. Lillian Fosteris:I agree with Kristine. The work of this WG keeps getting side tracked and if there are larger issues about registry policies and the like, they belong in the subsequent procedures WG and not here. Steve Levy:Sorry for joining late! Kathy Kleiman:Glad you are here, Steve! Greg Shatan:Not our job to figure out whether marketplace RPMs are working.... Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Correct, Greg. Philip Corwin:Well, any possible concerns about potential future private RPMs might well be alleviated if we knew when RSEP review was required or advisable and what standards ICANN appplies in such a review. Again, I am surprised that asking such a basic factual question is so fiercely resisted, and I don't see what is gained by keeping the WG in the dark on this basic question. Getting it answered does not impy that we are going to propose regulation of private services, which I agree is beyond our remit. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Here are the rules for an RSEP https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources... Philip Corwin:I do see it as a question for ICANN. Mary, do you believe staff could recast it in a manner to yield useful data? Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Phil...all of the data is at my link. Kathy Kleiman:==> any form of additional marketplace protections? Kathy Kleiman:Need to think about it... Kathy Kleiman:Please keep original Ques 6 too please. Kathy Kleiman:For comparison and review Amr Elsadr:@Greg: Would you mind putting your revised question in the chat? Thanks. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Also need to see it, think.... Philip Corwin:Greg's suggestion is useful Mary Wong:ACtually, staff didn't touch the question - we only offered a more limited rationale for he question :) David McAuley:ok - my mistake Mary Wong:No worries, David, I think I actuallly did say we rephrased the question earlier, so the mistake is mine. Sorry! David McAuley:it will be nice to see Greg's in text - thanks Mary Kathy Kleiman:Was I disconnected? Kathy Kleiman:Support adding 7 to 3 Kathy Kleiman:You were brilliant!! Mary Wong:@Kathy, did you mean the reformulated 7 as in the document? Mary Wong:This is question 7, as reformulated: "How much and what manner of use does each registry operator make of data from the TMCH [or the trademark holder] in providing its Additional Marketplace RPMs?" Greg Shatan:Still turning down my speakers when you speak, Kristine.... :-) Kathy Kleiman:@Mary, yes, the current version, as edited of 7, would be a good 3rd bullet point under 3 Kathy Kleiman:tx! Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:@Greg, I just turned it down. Let me know. Kathy Kleiman:Right! Greg Shatan:I'm turning you down less now, but that is still one heckuva microphone. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:It's very shiny Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Its at the lowest setting. Now moving the mic away from my face.... Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:(BTW thanks for the tech support help on this call!) David McAuley:It is robust Kristine, which is much better than very low Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Yes, last one, I had up to level 100 and was screaming into it. Mary Wong:How about we put this question at the end of the document under "Deleted as outside the remit of the group, but archived for WG information"? David McAuley:thanks Mary - I could support that Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:there is no charter for this subteam Greg Shatan:I don't think we need to send it up to the group. It can be raised ab initio. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:We created this because we wanted data for sunrise/claims. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:This doc came from the co-chairs David McAuley:This is a Latin-friendly group Mary Wong:This question was not in the PDP Charter. Kathy Kleiman:We would have to double check if it was in the charter Kathy Kleiman:Have a good weekend, All! Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Thanks everyone for your patience with my sound issues! Steve Levy:Bye all David McAuley:good bye all Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Thanks Paul Greg Shatan:Bye all! Vale!