Thanks Steve. There is a big gap between what you are suggesting, namely substantively evaluating the Additional Marketplace RPMs and introducing them to governance by ICANN, and what some on this group - including Jon Nevett I believe - thinks this group is for, namely understanding how the Additional Marketplace RPMs function so that when evaluating the ICANN-mandated RPMs, the broader WG will know whether or not the marketplace has already met a perceived need. We should discuss this on our call later this morning, since getting it clear what this group is about at the beginning will define whether or not we are successful. Best, Paul From: gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Steve Levy Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:01 AM To: Jon Nevett <jon@donuts.email>; gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-rpm-protection] Discussion items for next call of the Additional Marketplace RPMs Sub Team Hi Jon, Please don't take my comment as any sort of veiled accusation against Donuts DPML. It was absolutely not intended in that way and I apologize for not setting out my views in more detail. My point is simply that I feel our WG should err on the side of having full information on marketplace RPMs to fulfill its charter of evaluating all RPMs in general (formal, marketplace, and otherwise). The WG can then use this information to discuss whether it feels that all marketplace RPMs should be held to some minimum standards to balance the protection of both brand owners and good-faith registrants. In that event, I have no doubt that Donuts' services would more than meet such standards. Regards, Steve From: Jon Nevett <jon@donuts.email<mailto:jon@donuts.email>> Date: Friday, July 21, 2017 at 9:06 AM To: "Steven M. Levy, Esq." <slevy@accentlawgroup.com<mailto:slevy@accentlawgroup.com>> Cc: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org>" <gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-rpm-protection] Discussion items for next call of the Additional Marketplace RPMs Sub Team I disagree with Steve here. This information would help the WG evaluate whether private RPMs are, in any cases, at risk of operating improperly (for example, in an arbitrary, overbearing, or unreliable manner). Again, this group is not evaluating private RPMs and whether they are operating properly or improperly. This is an information gathering exercise to educate the WG -- we are not looking at whether a particular service is considered by a WG member to be "arbitrary, overbearing or unreliable" -- whatever that means. This type of review is outside of our charter. Jon On Jul 20, 2017, at 6:16 PM, Steve Levy <slevy@accentlawgroup.com<mailto:slevy@accentlawgroup.com>> wrote: Thank you, Mary. I have one comment and one question: - I believe Question 7 should not be deleted. I feel it will be helpful to the WG's overall understanding of RPMs to know whether a given marketplace RPM has been subject to approval review and, if so, the criteria used in such evaluation. This information would help the WG evaluate whether private RPMs are, in any cases, at risk of operating improperly (for example, in an arbitrary, overbearing, or unreliable manner). - Do group members believe that Question 4 encompasses such information as the scope of each marketplace RPM and the fees charged for such services? If not, should this be added as a separate question? I feel this information is also important to our understanding of the marketplace RPM landscape. I look forward to speaking with everyone tomorrow. Regards, Steve <Accent Law Logo NEW Very Small.png> Steven M. Levy, Esq. Accent Law Group, Inc. 301 Fulton St. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19147 United States Phone: +1-215-327-9094 Email: slevy@AccentLawGroup.com<mailto:slevy@accentlawgroup.com> Website: www.AccentLawGroup.com<http://www.accentlawgroup.com/> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/stevelevy43a/<http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevelevy43a/> From: <gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-protection-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>> Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 12:49 PM To: "gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org>" <gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-rpm-protection] Discussion items for next call of the Additional Marketplace RPMs Sub Team Hello members of the Additional Marketplate RPM Sub Team, This note is intended just to draw your attention to the need to review and discuss the "reverse redline" document concerning the scope of our work, as well as to complete the Action Items from our first call. The message below contains a link to the "reverse redline" document for your review. If you can, please send your comments to this mailing list before our call this Friday. Additionally, since no one else has been nominated or has come forward to seek a co-chair position on this Sub Team, staff will follow up with the Working Group co-chairs to confirm that Paul McGrady is the sole chair of this Sub Team. Thanks and cheers Mary From: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>> Date: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 15:07 To: "gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org>" <gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org>> Subject: Discussion items for next call of the Additional Marketplace RPMs Sub Team Dear all, Following consultation with Paul McGrady, the interim chair for this RPM Sub Team, staff is pleased to confirm the next call for the Sub Team as well as to request, on Paul's behalf, that Sub Team members provide input and responses to the action items noted below before Friday 21 July 2017. (1) Next Sub Team meeting The next Sub Team call is being planned for next Friday, 21 July 2017, at 1600 UTC for one hour. Please look out for the calendar invitation and call details in your Inbox shortly. (2) Action items/topics for mailing list discussion before the next call Please be so kind as to take time before next Friday to do the following: ? Review the action items from our first call (from 14 June): https://community.icann.org/x/UU3wAw ? Review the "reverse redline" prepared by staff at the Sub Team's request, showing all the proposed deletions, comments and suggestions made - with a view toward providing your feedback on the proposed deletions, suggested edits, and questions noted in the Comment Boxes in the document before next Friday: https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66080081/Additional%20Marke... Finally, we note that the Sub Team had agreed to keep open the call for volunteers for co-chair for this team at the last call. As it has been several weeks since that call, please make sure that you nominate anyone who may wish to serve alongside Paul as co-chair of the Sub Team by the end of this week. If no other co-chair is named, staff will proceed to confirm Paul's position as Sub Team chair with the Working Group co-chairs. Thanks and cheers Mary _______________________________________________ Gnso-rpm-protection mailing list Gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org<mailto:Gnso-rpm-protection@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-protection ________________________________ The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. If this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without the permission of the author. Any tax advice contained in this email was not intended to be used, and cannot be used, by you (or any other taxpayer) to avoid penalties under applicable tax laws and regulations.