Sunrise Questions - bringing wide ranging views together.
Hi All, In lieu of our meeting on Friday, Kristine and I sat down by phone and worked through the Sunrise questions from a number of different perspectives. We covered as many of our our almost 2 dozen Sunrise questions as possible. We tried to keep, in as neutral as way as possible, the charter questions given to us by Council and the rewritten questions that bind together overarching concepts. We found two arcs we would like to suggest for the Sunrise questions: Arc 1) Trademark Owners and Registrant Issues and Arc 2) Trademark Owners and Registry Operator Issues. Everything seems to fall fairly neatly into those two categories. We replaced language that some members of the subteam objected to as confusing or meaning something else. I took the pen from there, and Kristine is still reviewing. In the interest of time, let me circulate these questions to the full subteam. Thoughts on next steps appreciated. Should we add these to the Wiki? Best, Kathy
Thanks very much for taking this on, Kathy and Kristine, and for the updated list of questions. NOTE/QUESTION for Kathy, Kristine and Lori – since this new list is a significantly re-ordered and reworded version of the last Google Doc set of questions, I am not sure how it can easily be fitted into the Google Doc. Will it make more sense for the Sub Team to use this document for the Friday call, and for staff to compile the results of that discussion into a new table that compares the final wording and ordering with the original Charter questions? Thanks and cheers Mary On 5/29/17, 20:59, "gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Kathy Kleiman" <gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org on behalf of kathy@kathykleiman.com> wrote: Hi All, In lieu of our meeting on Friday, Kristine and I sat down by phone and worked through the Sunrise questions from a number of different perspectives. We covered as many of our our almost 2 dozen Sunrise questions as possible. We tried to keep, in as neutral as way as possible, the charter questions given to us by Council and the rewritten questions that bind together overarching concepts. We found two arcs we would like to suggest for the Sunrise questions: Arc 1) Trademark Owners and Registrant Issues and Arc 2) Trademark Owners and Registry Operator Issues. Everything seems to fall fairly neatly into those two categories. We replaced language that some members of the subteam objected to as confusing or meaning something else. I took the pen from there, and Kristine is still reviewing. In the interest of time, let me circulate these questions to the full subteam. Thoughts on next steps appreciated. Should we add these to the Wiki? Best, Kathy
Mary, Kathy and all, Thanks, Kathy for taking the first crack. I have a bunch of edits in the attached, but I tried to explain them all. In a few cases, I had to hunt through the RA to figure out what the original charter questions were referring to. The second page is more redlined because that's where the examples of "solutions" were. I wanted to call out for the WG that these are NOT subteam-generated examples, but are right in the Charter Questions themselves. I strongly oppose adding our own examples to the charter questions. I also strongly think all pricing questions should be bundled/bunched. Let me know what you think. Best, Kristine -----Original Message----- From: gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:41 AM To: Kathy Kleiman <kathy@kathykleiman.com>; gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] Sunrise Questions - bringing wide ranging views together. Thanks very much for taking this on, Kathy and Kristine, and for the updated list of questions. NOTE/QUESTION for Kathy, Kristine and Lori – since this new list is a significantly re-ordered and reworded version of the last Google Doc set of questions, I am not sure how it can easily be fitted into the Google Doc. Will it make more sense for the Sub Team to use this document for the Friday call, and for staff to compile the results of that discussion into a new table that compares the final wording and ordering with the original Charter questions? Thanks and cheers Mary On 5/29/17, 20:59, "gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Kathy Kleiman" <gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org on behalf of kathy@kathykleiman.com> wrote: Hi All, In lieu of our meeting on Friday, Kristine and I sat down by phone and worked through the Sunrise questions from a number of different perspectives. We covered as many of our our almost 2 dozen Sunrise questions as possible. We tried to keep, in as neutral as way as possible, the charter questions given to us by Council and the rewritten questions that bind together overarching concepts. We found two arcs we would like to suggest for the Sunrise questions: Arc 1) Trademark Owners and Registrant Issues and Arc 2) Trademark Owners and Registry Operator Issues. Everything seems to fall fairly neatly into those two categories. We replaced language that some members of the subteam objected to as confusing or meaning something else. I took the pen from there, and Kristine is still reviewing. In the interest of time, let me circulate these questions to the full subteam. Thoughts on next steps appreciated. Should we add these to the Wiki? Best, Kathy _______________________________________________ Gnso-rpm-sunrise mailing list Gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-sunrise
Dear Christine, Mary and Kathy, I understand that a lot of work has gone into this draft and I think that the group should be given the opportunity to consider it as an alternative path to the work that we have done to date. That said, I am opposed to incorporating into any current charts. I would like it to be considered as a stand alone proposal. I have concerns that this was done when most of us where attending the INTA annual meeting and unavailable for calls. I think it is appropriate to give the subgroup the opportunity to consider whether they want to proceed with the alternative or to continue on the path that we started. I would ask that Kristine and Kathy be prepared to explain the rationale behind the work and contrast it to what was previously done. I want to remind the sub group that we were formed with the understanding that this would be a short term project to clarify and put order to currently existing questions and to coordinate them with the overall work plan. We had discussed bunching questions, eliminating redundancies and identifying what additional information would be needed to properly address the questions. We also agreed not to change any wording to the original questions but note we where would suggest clarification. I am concerned that the current proposal may have exceeded that agreement. However, I don’t want to rush to judgement and feel that all of us need adequate time to consider it and take the temperature of the subgroup before we post it on the wiki or anywhere else. I don’t see an attachment on the string, if the proposal is ready for consideration, please post it. Lori Lori S. Schulman Senior Director, Internet Policy International Trademark Association (INTA) +1-202-704-0408, Skype: lsschulman [cid:image005.jpg@01D270D2.1801CD20] From: gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Dorrain, Kristine via Gnso-rpm-sunrise Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:15 PM To: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org>; Kathy Kleiman <kathy@kathykleiman.com>; gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] Sunrise Questions - bringing wide ranging views together. Mary, Kathy and all, Thanks, Kathy for taking the first crack. I have a bunch of edits in the attached, but I tried to explain them all. In a few cases, I had to hunt through the RA to figure out what the original charter questions were referring to. The second page is more redlined because that's where the examples of "solutions" were. I wanted to call out for the WG that these are NOT subteam-generated examples, but are right in the Charter Questions themselves. I strongly oppose adding our own examples to the charter questions. I also strongly think all pricing questions should be bundled/bunched. Let me know what you think. Best, Kristine -----Original Message----- From: gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:41 AM To: Kathy Kleiman <kathy@kathykleiman.com><mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com%3e>; gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] Sunrise Questions - bringing wide ranging views together. Thanks very much for taking this on, Kathy and Kristine, and for the updated list of questions. NOTE/QUESTION for Kathy, Kristine and Lori – since this new list is a significantly re-ordered and reworded version of the last Google Doc set of questions, I am not sure how it can easily be fitted into the Google Doc. Will it make more sense for the Sub Team to use this document for the Friday call, and for staff to compile the results of that discussion into a new table that compares the final wording and ordering with the original Charter questions? Thanks and cheers Mary On 5/29/17, 20:59, "gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Kathy Kleiman" <gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of kathy@kathykleiman.com><mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com%3e> wrote: Hi All, In lieu of our meeting on Friday, Kristine and I sat down by phone and worked through the Sunrise questions from a number of different perspectives. We covered as many of our our almost 2 dozen Sunrise questions as possible. We tried to keep, in as neutral as way as possible, the charter questions given to us by Council and the rewritten questions that bind together overarching concepts. We found two arcs we would like to suggest for the Sunrise questions: Arc 1) Trademark Owners and Registrant Issues and Arc 2) Trademark Owners and Registry Operator Issues. Everything seems to fall fairly neatly into those two categories. We replaced language that some members of the subteam objected to as confusing or meaning something else. I took the pen from there, and Kristine is still reviewing. In the interest of time, let me circulate these questions to the full subteam. Thoughts on next steps appreciated. Should we add these to the Wiki? Best, Kathy _______________________________________________ Gnso-rpm-sunrise mailing list Gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org<mailto:Gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-sunrise ________________________________
I want to clarify my request and ask the you post the proposed alternative work product to the sub team list not the wiki. I apologize if there was any confusion. Lori Lori S. Schulman Senior Director, Internet Policy International Trademark Association (INTA) +1-202-704-0408, Skype: lsschulman [cid:image005.jpg@01D270D2.1801CD20] From: gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Lori Schulman Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:01 PM To: Dorrain, Kristine <dorraink@amazon.com>; Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org>; Kathy Kleiman <kathy@kathykleiman.com>; gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] Sunrise Questions - bringing wide ranging views together. Dear Christine, Mary and Kathy, I understand that a lot of work has gone into this draft and I think that the group should be given the opportunity to consider it as an alternative path to the work that we have done to date. That said, I am opposed to incorporating into any current charts. I would like it to be considered as a stand alone proposal. I have concerns that this was done when most of us where attending the INTA annual meeting and unavailable for calls. I think it is appropriate to give the subgroup the opportunity to consider whether they want to proceed with the alternative or to continue on the path that we started. I would ask that Kristine and Kathy be prepared to explain the rationale behind the work and contrast it to what was previously done. I want to remind the sub group that we were formed with the understanding that this would be a short term project to clarify and put order to currently existing questions and to coordinate them with the overall work plan. We had discussed bunching questions, eliminating redundancies and identifying what additional information would be needed to properly address the questions. We also agreed not to change any wording to the original questions but note we where would suggest clarification. I am concerned that the current proposal may have exceeded that agreement. However, I don’t want to rush to judgement and feel that all of us need adequate time to consider it and take the temperature of the subgroup before we post it on the wiki or anywhere else. I don’t see an attachment on the string, if the proposal is ready for consideration, please post it. Lori Lori S. Schulman Senior Director, Internet Policy International Trademark Association (INTA) +1-202-704-0408, Skype: lsschulman [cid:image005.jpg@01D270D2.1801CD20] From: gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Dorrain, Kristine via Gnso-rpm-sunrise Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:15 PM To: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>; Kathy Kleiman <kathy@kathykleiman.com<mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com>>; gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] Sunrise Questions - bringing wide ranging views together. Mary, Kathy and all, Thanks, Kathy for taking the first crack. I have a bunch of edits in the attached, but I tried to explain them all. In a few cases, I had to hunt through the RA to figure out what the original charter questions were referring to. The second page is more redlined because that's where the examples of "solutions" were. I wanted to call out for the WG that these are NOT subteam-generated examples, but are right in the Charter Questions themselves. I strongly oppose adding our own examples to the charter questions. I also strongly think all pricing questions should be bundled/bunched. Let me know what you think. Best, Kristine -----Original Message----- From: gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:41 AM To: Kathy Kleiman <kathy@kathykleiman.com><mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com%3e>; gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] Sunrise Questions - bringing wide ranging views together. Thanks very much for taking this on, Kathy and Kristine, and for the updated list of questions. NOTE/QUESTION for Kathy, Kristine and Lori – since this new list is a significantly re-ordered and reworded version of the last Google Doc set of questions, I am not sure how it can easily be fitted into the Google Doc. Will it make more sense for the Sub Team to use this document for the Friday call, and for staff to compile the results of that discussion into a new table that compares the final wording and ordering with the original Charter questions? Thanks and cheers Mary On 5/29/17, 20:59, "gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Kathy Kleiman" <gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of kathy@kathykleiman.com><mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com%3e> wrote: Hi All, In lieu of our meeting on Friday, Kristine and I sat down by phone and worked through the Sunrise questions from a number of different perspectives. We covered as many of our our almost 2 dozen Sunrise questions as possible. We tried to keep, in as neutral as way as possible, the charter questions given to us by Council and the rewritten questions that bind together overarching concepts. We found two arcs we would like to suggest for the Sunrise questions: Arc 1) Trademark Owners and Registrant Issues and Arc 2) Trademark Owners and Registry Operator Issues. Everything seems to fall fairly neatly into those two categories. We replaced language that some members of the subteam objected to as confusing or meaning something else. I took the pen from there, and Kristine is still reviewing. In the interest of time, let me circulate these questions to the full subteam. Thoughts on next steps appreciated. Should we add these to the Wiki? Best, Kathy _______________________________________________ Gnso-rpm-sunrise mailing list Gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org<mailto:Gnso-rpm-sunrise@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-sunrise ________________________________
I suppose my only query (and forgive me if I missed something in an early exchange), why is Lori Schulman not involved in these discussions? J. Scott Evans 408.536.5336 (tel) 345 Park Avenue, Mail Stop W11-544 Director, Associate General Counsel 408.709.6162 (cell) San Jose, CA, 95110, USA Adobe. Make It an Experience. jsevans@adobe.com www.adobe.com On 5/29/17, 5:59 PM, "gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Kathy Kleiman" <gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces@icann.org on behalf of kathy@kathykleiman.com> wrote: Hi All, In lieu of our meeting on Friday, Kristine and I sat down by phone and worked through the Sunrise questions from a number of different perspectives. We covered as many of our our almost 2 dozen Sunrise questions as possible. We tried to keep, in as neutral as way as possible, the charter questions given to us by Council and the rewritten questions that bind together overarching concepts. We found two arcs we would like to suggest for the Sunrise questions: Arc 1) Trademark Owners and Registrant Issues and Arc 2) Trademark Owners and Registry Operator Issues. Everything seems to fall fairly neatly into those two categories. We replaced language that some members of the subteam objected to as confusing or meaning something else. I took the pen from there, and Kristine is still reviewing. In the interest of time, let me circulate these questions to the full subteam. Thoughts on next steps appreciated. Should we add these to the Wiki? Best, Kathy
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Dorrain, Kristine -
J. Scott Evans -
Kathy Kleiman -
Lori Schulman -
Mary Wong