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FW: Updated list of questions following TMCH Sub Team call of 26 August
by David Tait Sept. 2, 2016

Sept. 2, 2016

Dear Kathy Is this the document you had in mind? Please let me know should you require any further documents to be circulated. Kind regards, David From: <gnso-rpm-tmch-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Kathy Kleiman <kathy(a)kathykleiman.com> Date: Thursday, 1 September 2016 at 21:27 To: "gnso-rpm-tmch(a)icann.org" <gnso-rpm-tmch(a)icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-rpm-tmch] Updated list of questions following TMCH Sub Team call of 26 August Mary and David, Could you kindly send out the most recent version of the "publicly-available documents" listing. I found this work very helpful in helping to frame questions, and it would be great to see the current version (whether changed or unchanged). Many thanks, Kathy On 9/1/2016 6:18 AM, Mary Wong wrote: Dear all, Please find attached the staff attempt, as requested on the call last Friday, to further clarify and finesse the questions for the various parties we are intending to seek further information from. Please note that in several instances we had a few additional questions for the team, which we have noted in the comments. We have also retained Kurt’s comments and questions from last week, to assist with recollection and further discussion. Based on the Friday call and the remaining work to be done on the document, we propose that the agenda for the next Sub Team call this Friday be as follows: 1. Roll call 2. Discuss and finalize questions for registries, registrars and providers (based on updated document of 1 September) 3. Staff update on further data extraction and expected dates 4. Next steps/next meeting Thanks and cheers Mary and David From: David Tait <david.tait(a)icann.org> Date: Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 01:32 To: "gnso-rpm-tmch(a)icann.org" <gnso-rpm-tmch(a)icann.org> Cc: Mary Wong <mary.wong(a)icann.org> Subject: Notes and Actions from today's RPM TMCH Sub Team Meeting of 26 Aug 2016 Dear All Please find below a list of actions and outcomes from today’s meeting of the TMCH Sub Team. For ease of reference these have been broken down into 3 topics. These are: (1) New links to be added to the working Group reading list (2) Questions to Registries providing Private Protected Marks Lists (PPML) and (3) Further consideration of questions document to be sent to key stakeholders. (1) Working Group reading list Action Staff to add links the following links to WG materials list: 1) FAQ - http://www.donuts.domains/services/dpml/dpml-faqs 2) Overview - http://www.donuts.domains/services/dpml/dpml-overview 3) Main webpage on this issue, including video - http://www.donuts.domains/services/dpml 4) Staff to add CCT-RT data to WG reading list 5) http://www.tm-selection.com (Action sub team to consider this before upload by staff) (2) PPML The ST proposed a list of additional question to be added to ST questions document: It appears that a TMCH SMD file is required for the PPML, was there push back from people who wanted to use DPML but not put marks into the TMCH? Did the various PPML services drive users to the TMCH? Are these third party, additional services promoting the use of the TMCH? Is the 'chilling effect' being extended through these private uses of the TMCH? Are registrants suitably protected against price escalations prompted by the use of private uses of the TMCH? How many people are using the TMCH solely to be able to participate in the PPML, but NOT any Sunrise Registrations? How do you structure your PPML? How many marks are in it? Are basic works and descriptions included? How many of the marks are coined or fanciful terms? Action: Sub team to review questions on PPMLs before finalisation at next meeting and to consider whether to invite PPML providers to speak to ST or WG (3) Questions document The ST proposed a number of additional questions to be included in the ST questions document. Action: Staff to rework questions in line with comments received from ST and prepare revised draft in advance of next meeting for review. The next meeting of the sub team will take place on Friday, 02 September 2016 at 15:00 UTC for 60 minutes. Kind regards, David David A. Tait Policy Specialist (Solicitor qualified in Scotland) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Mobile: + 44-7864-793776 Email: david.tait(a)icann.org www.icann.org _______________________________________________ Gnso-rpm-tmch mailing list Gnso-rpm-tmch(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-tmch

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Re: [Gnso-rpm-tmch] Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat from RPM TMCH Sub Team WG on Friday, 26 August 2016
by Catalyst-Vaibhav Aggarwal Sept. 2, 2016

Sept. 2, 2016

Dear Michelle / Team, Plz record my apologies, I am still driving and the Mobile Network is really bad. Will speed up on the recording and catch up. In BTW if assignment is to be give, please let me know. I am a pair of hands & (well) mind Available. Best regards, -Vaibhav Aggarwal From: <gnso-rpm-tmch-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Michelle DeSmyter <michelle.desmyter(a)icann.org> Date: Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 12:14 AM To: "gnso-rpm-tmch(a)icann.org" <gnso-rpm-tmch(a)icann.org> Cc: "gnso-secs(a)icann.org" <gnso-secs(a)icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-rpm-tmch] Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat from RPM TMCH Sub Team WG on Friday, 26 August 2016 Dear All, Please find the attendance, MP3 recording and Adobe Connect chat below for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) TMCH Sub Team call held on Friday, 26 August 2016 at 15:00 UTC. MP3: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-tmch-26aug16-en.mp3 <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-tmch-26aug16-en.mp3> <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-tmch-19aug16-en.mp3> <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-tmch-05aug16-en.mp3> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the Sub Team wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/JBCsAw Attendees RPM TMCH Sub Team: Jeff Neuman Kathy Kleiman Kristine Dorrain Marina Lewis Philip Corwin Robin Gross Susan Payne Vaibhav Aggarwal Apologies: Grace Mutung¹u Kurt Pritz ICANN staff: Berry Cobb David Tait Michelle DeSmyter ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-tmch/ Main RPM Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/rhiOAw Sub Team Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/JBCsAw Thank you. Kind regards, Michelle DeSmyter ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for 26 August 2016: Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the RPM TMCH Sub team Meeting on Friday, 26 August 2016 at 15:00 UTC. VaibhavAggarwal:Hey Michelle Michelle DeSmyter:Hi there Vaibhav! Welcome and Happy Friday! :) VaibhavAggarwal:R U there ? Michelle DeSmyter:hi Michelle DeSmyter:yes Michelle DeSmyter:I am not able to hear you VaibhavAggarwal:@Kathy :-) Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Hi everyone susan payne:hi all Marina Lewis:happy Friday everyone! Kathy:Hi Vaibhav, Hi All! VaibhavAggarwal::-) Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:yes, I can hear you. I'm thinking. :) Kathy:+1 Kristine susan payne:here is a link to CCTRT page which is relevant: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/cct-metrics-rpm-2016-06-27-en#2.8 susan payne:it looks as though they have not found any data on Blocks Kathy:David: can we add three links for the Donuts DPML to our materials list - for us and for the WG Kathy:1) FAQ - http://www.donuts.domains/services/dpml/dpml-faqs Berry Cobb:While similar, but perhaps different, Rightside also offers DPML. http://rightside.co/registry/dpml/ Kathy:2) Overview - http://www.donuts.domains/services/dpml/dpml-overview Kathy:3) Main webpage on this issue, including video - http://www.donuts.domains/services/dpml Berry Cobb:and it looks like Minds & Machines has a version as well. http://mm-registry.com/mpml-faq/ Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:QUESTION for the list: Did the various DPML services drive users to the TMCH? susan payne:@Kristine - I know it's only anecdotal data, but Com Laude certainly had clients where that was the case Jeff Neuman:A question I have (though not sure if we can get this information) is how many entities have DPML registrations, but NOT any Sunrise Registrations. To me that would show that the DPML caused people to enter their marks in the TMCH just for purposes of the DPML. In other words they may not have entered their marks into the TMCH if it wasnt required for the DPML. Jeff Neuman:@Kathy - I dont understand the comment on the chilling effect? Jeff Neuman:Can you repeat that? susan payne:I think if we talk about what was carefully crafted it also included the GPML susan payne:and agree with Jeff - no one has any data about a chilling effect Kathy:Inciteful comments, tx you Vaibhav VaibhavAggarwal::-) susan payne:hi Vaibhav - I think that is a point for discussion by the wider WG as we move onto the work on the TMCH, as opposed to what data can we gather for the purposes of that work. Is that correct? VaibhavAggarwal:Not Really VaibhavAggarwal:If we dig in a Little Deeper, the MAths will tell us that so far it has been one way activity VaibhavAggarwal:with TMCH and DPML - They controll it. VaibhavAggarwal:For e.g. Japan.com or India.com is not reserved with Verisign - Isnt that soveriegn Properties of the Countries, similarly in the NGTLDs reservation shud be there susan payne:taken hand down - Jeff has said it Jeff Neuman:I disagree...a blocking service was not really discussed by the STI Jeff Neuman:A famous marks list was discussed and rejected Jeff Neuman:But we did not REJECT a universal blocking service Kathy:Do we have any questions for Donuts yet? Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Kathy, I think the question list on the right is sort of a working list that we will cull from/add to David Tait:Kathy, just to concur with Kristine I've been compiling a list of questions in the notes pod Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:+1 Jeff VaibhavAggarwal:So In My opinion, TMCH shud run like a Registrar where Registrants can reachout to TMCH directly Just like Icann nGTLD application w/o Middle Man - this will make the Service More Accessible VaibhavAggarwal:and Acceptable and competitive Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Vaibhav: what would a registrant do with the TMCH? VaibhavAggarwal:Get the Clearence Certificate - G to any registry and register the domain name Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:rightside is DPML also: susan payne:can't we just call it a Block list rather than creating a new acronym which we then have to explain Jeff Neuman:In Sydney (and I was on the panel) there was a rejection of the IRT's Famous Marks List Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Domains Protected Marks List Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Kathy, I'm concerned about analyzing the quality of TMs in the TMCH...is that within our scope (I don't have the WG Scope doc in front of me) Jeff Neuman:One more question: I know that Donuts has applied for a patent with respect to the DPML. We should make sure that is noted. If we were to recommend that going forward, this could have broad implications Berry Cobb:Looks like Rightside owns a Service Mark for DPML: http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=85933407&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=sta tusSearch Jeff Neuman:@Berry, that is important to note as well, but the patent is a much bigger issue Kathy:@Kristine, I am seeing Donuts referring to it post ways... with its name and without. Recommend a more general term for our general use... Berry Cobb:@ Jeff, looks like Donuts - http://domainnamewire.com/wp-content/dpml-patent.pdf Philip Corwin:Thx for that clarification Jeff, that STI rejected famous marks list, not concept of a blocking list. Noting that Kathy's memory differs somewhat. Kathy:Agreed, Susan! Philip Corwin:Patent is worrisome, especuially if granted. Kathy:Memory definitely differs :-) susan payne:@Kristine - yes, I think that is what I meant but you have expressed it much better! Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Tangential question: Are there other services that trigger off the TMCH? VaibhavAggarwal:And patents most often are Regional in Nature VaibhavAggarwal:Geographic Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:@ Vaibhav, back to our little sidebar above...what is a "clearance certificate" are you suggesting a new thing? Also, a registrant won't interact with the TMCH because it's for brandowners to input marks and then for registrars to query. I'm still a little confused. susan payne:no, that isn't data VaibhavAggarwal::-) Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Kathy, I don't think we want registrars to speculate as to why people are turning back. We might want to rephrase that as "can you provide customer service complaints about confusion/concern with the claims notices"? VaibhavAggarwal:May b not complaints but Queries ? Jeff Neuman:Were disgn marks allowed? VaibhavAggarwal:Excellent Q - @Jeff - So Data Gathering for How Many Desgn Marks have been processed ? susan payne:Kathy your design mark answer is in the TMCH guidelines VaibhavAggarwal:I see that the Data is not gathered as yet as to undert what category, which ones - this will allow us to understand other related Qs Kathy:@Kristine, I like your question and support it. But I think there is more to capture here. For example, there is work of the Registries with the Registrants on anchor tenants, etc. Kathy:So I think there may be more input from Counsel and others at the Registry Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:I'm unfamiliar with the term "anchor tenants" can you explain? Kathy:Registrants recruited by the registry to help launch a new gtld. Kathy:David, for Registrars too, please: Why do you think so many registrants are turning back when they receive TM Claims notices? Jeff Neuman:I would like some more time to wordsmith some of these questions. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:oh, ok, thanks. :) Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Yes, for sure, we need to wordsmith, etc. Jeff Neuman:Do we have the Sunrise numbers broken down by registry? Kathy:TMCH is not automated. Kathy:It is not automatically tied to the USPTO, or any PTO, if that is your question, Vaibhav. VaibhavAggarwal:I mean Registrars is already helping in the processing the TMCH apps susan payne:i think some of the points captured on the right under Donuts may generate Qs for Regisrties generally - not sure, that is the case but I think they might trigger other questions VaibhavAggarwal:Right so can v recomend if this wud work VaibhavAggarwal:like the CAs are tied to the WHOIS RDS Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Vaibhav: Registrars do not participate in processing TMCH applications. I'm not sure what you're asking... Kathy:@David: for Providers: a separate question for TM Owners, and a separate one for DN Registrants: how much time and resources did you spend educating [TM Owners][Registrants] on TMCH, etc.... and then the follow-up question you have noted: in what regions and languages VaibhavAggarwal:@Kristine tey are the Front for the Regsitrant Kathy:Hi All, I have to run. Tx for a great call - have a good weekend! VaibhavAggarwal:You too Kathy VaibhavAggarwal:One Min PLz VaibhavAggarwal:David VaibhavAggarwal:TM-Selection - the world-wide trademark catalogue VaibhavAggarwal:http://www.tm-selection.com <http://www.tm-selection.com/> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Are you making a suggestion? VaibhavAggarwal:Yes VaibhavAggarwal:We shud Study This VaibhavAggarwal::-) VaibhavAggarwal:Thanks Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:I'd welcome a specific suggestion about what to study - what do you think is valuable or distinctive about this? Jeff Neuman:I am always a little reluctant to use third party sites for which we have no information about their reputation, methods, etc. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Yes, I would want some focus before I looked at it. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Thanks David. susan payne:thanks Philip Corwin:Bye all/enjoy the weekend David Tait:Thanks! VaibhavAggarwal:Thanks ciao _______________________________________________ Gnso-rpm-tmch mailing list Gnso-rpm-tmch(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-tmch

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Fwd: [Ntfy-gnso-rpm-tmch] REMINDER: Meeting Invitation: RPM TMCH Sub Team Meeting on Friday, 02 September 2016 at 15:00 UTC
by Kathy Kleiman Sept. 2, 2016

Sept. 2, 2016

Hi Jeff, Here it is... -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [Ntfy-gnso-rpm-tmch] REMINDER: Meeting Invitation: RPM TMCH Sub Team Meeting on Friday, 02 September 2016 at 15:00 UTC Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 12:40:32 +0000 From: Terri Agnew <terri.agnew(a)icann.org> To: ntfy-gnso-rpm-tmch(a)icann.org <ntfy-gnso-rpm-tmch(a)icann.org> CC: gnso-secs(a)icann.org <gnso-secs(a)icann.org> Dear all, The next RPM TMCH sub team will be held on Friday, 02 September 2016 at 15:00 UTC for 60 minutes. 08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT, 16:00 London, 17:00 CEST For other times: http://tinyurl.com/hgalgqy *Adobe Connect_ WITH AUDIO enabled_:*https://icann.adobeconnect.com/gnso-rpm/ For those of you using the Adobe Connect audio, you may do so by activating your computer microphone via the Adobe room (Using a headset is preferable here). *Make sure your speakers and microphone are _not_ on mute.* - Select the TELEPHONE ICON at the top of the AC toolbar and choose CONNECT MY AUDIO (only option). - Select USING COMPUTER twice - Select ALLOW access to the ICANN Adobe room - the TELEPHONE ICON at the top of the toolbar should then have changed into a MICROPHONE ICON - You may click on this MICROPHONE ICON to mute yourself (Icon will then have a line through it) and to unmute yourself (Line disappears) Participants must ALWAYS have their microphone or telephone on MUTE as default setting. You are requested to RAISE YOUR HAND if you wish to participate to avoid disruption. Dial-in details are below. Please confirm your dial-out or apology requests to GNSO Secretariats gnso-secs(a)icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> ______________________________________________________________________ Participant passcode: RPM TMCH *Dial in numbers:* *Country* *Toll Numbers* *Freephone/ Toll Free Number* ARGENTINA 0800-777-0519 AUSTRALIA ADELAIDE: 61-8-8121-4842 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA BRISBANE: 61-7-3102-0944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA CANBERRA: 61-2-6100-1944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA MELBOURNE: 61-3-9010-7713 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA PERTH: 61-8-9467-5223 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA SYDNEY: 61-2-8205-8129 1-800-657-260 AUSTRIA 43-1-92-81-113 0800-005-259 BELGIUM 32-2-400-9861 0800-3-8795 BRAZIL 0800-7610651 CHILE 1230-020-2863 CHINA CHINA A: 86-400-810-4789 10800-712-1670 CHINA CHINA B: 86-400-810-4789 10800-120-1670 COLOMBIA 01800-9-156474 CZECH REPUBLIC 420-2-25-98-56-64 800-700-177 DENMARK 45-7014-0284 8088-8324 ESTONIA 800-011-1093 FINLAND 358-9-5424-7162 0-800-9-14610 FRANCE LYON: 33-4-26-69-12-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE MARSEILLE: 33-4-86-06-00-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE PARIS: 33-1-70-70-60-72 080-511-1496 GERMANY 49-69-2222-20362 0800-664-4247 GREECE 30-80-1-100-0687 00800-12-7312 HONG KONG 852-3001-3863 800-962-856 HUNGARY 06-800-12755 INDIA INDIA A: 000-800-852-1268 INDIA INDIA B: 000-800-001-6305 INDIA INDIA C: 1800-300-00491 INDONESIA 001-803-011-3982 IRELAND 353-1-246-7646 1800-992-368 ISRAEL 1-80-9216162 ITALY MILAN: 39-02-3600-6007 800-986-383 JAPAN OSAKA: 81-6-7739-4799 0066-33-132439 JAPAN TOKYO: 81-3-5539-5191 0066-33-132439 LATVIA 8000-3185 LUXEMBOURG 352-27-000-1364 MALAYSIA 1-800-81-3065 MEXICO 001-866-376-9696 NETHERLANDS 31-20-718-8588 0800-023-4378 NEW ZEALAND 64-9-970-4771 0800-447-722 NORWAY 47-21-590-062 800-15157 PANAMA 011-001-800-5072065 PERU 0800-53713 PHILIPPINES 63-2-858-3716 POLAND 00-800-1212572 PORTUGAL 8008-14052 RUSSIA 8-10-8002-0144011 SAUDI ARABIA 800-8-110087 SINGAPORE 65-6883-9230 800-120-4663 SLOVAK REPUBLIC 421-2-322-422-25 SOUTH AFRICA 080-09-80414 SOUTH KOREA 82-2-6744-1083 00798-14800-7352 SPAIN 34-91-414-25-33 800-300-053 SWEDEN 46-8-566-19-348 0200-884-622 SWITZERLAND 41-44-580-6398 0800-120-032 TAIWAN 886-2-2795-7379 00801-137-797 THAILAND 001-800-1206-66056 UNITED KINGDOM BIRMINGHAM: 44-121-210-9025 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM GLASGOW: 44-141-202-3225 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LEEDS: 44-113-301-2125 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LONDON: 44-20-7108-6370 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM MANCHESTER: 44-161-601-1425 0808-238-6029 URUGUAY 000-413-598-3421 USA 1-517-345-9004 866-692-5726 VENEZUELA 0800-1-00-3702 Thank you. Kind regards, Michelle

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Updated list of questions following TMCH Sub Team call of 26 August
by Mary Wong Sept. 2, 2016

Sept. 2, 2016

Dear all, Please find attached the staff attempt, as requested on the call last Friday, to further clarify and finesse the questions for the various parties we are intending to seek further information from. Please note that in several instances we had a few additional questions for the team, which we have noted in the comments. We have also retained Kurt’s comments and questions from last week, to assist with recollection and further discussion. Based on the Friday call and the remaining work to be done on the document, we propose that the agenda for the next Sub Team call this Friday be as follows: 1. Roll call 2. Discuss and finalize questions for registries, registrars and providers (based on updated document of 1 September) 3. Staff update on further data extraction and expected dates 4. Next steps/next meeting Thanks and cheers Mary and David From: David Tait <david.tait(a)icann.org> Date: Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 01:32 To: "gnso-rpm-tmch(a)icann.org" <gnso-rpm-tmch(a)icann.org> Cc: Mary Wong <mary.wong(a)icann.org> Subject: Notes and Actions from today's RPM TMCH Sub Team Meeting of 26 Aug 2016 Dear All Please find below a list of actions and outcomes from today’s meeting of the TMCH Sub Team. For ease of reference these have been broken down into 3 topics. These are: (1) New links to be added to the working Group reading list (2) Questions to Registries providing Private Protected Marks Lists (PPML) and (3) Further consideration of questions document to be sent to key stakeholders. (1) Working Group reading list Action Staff to add links the following links to WG materials list: 1) FAQ - http://www.donuts.domains/services/dpml/dpml-faqs 2) Overview - http://www.donuts.domains/services/dpml/dpml-overview 3) Main webpage on this issue, including video - http://www.donuts.domains/services/dpml 4) Staff to add CCT-RT data to WG reading list 5) http://www.tm-selection.com<http://www.tm-selection.com/> (Action sub team to consider this before upload by staff) (2) PPML The ST proposed a list of additional question to be added to ST questions document: * It appears that a TMCH SMD file is required for the PPML, was there push back from people who wanted to use DPML but not put marks into the TMCH? * Did the various PPML services drive users to the TMCH? Are these third party, additional services promoting the use of the TMCH? * Is the 'chilling effect' being extended through these private uses of the TMCH? * Are registrants suitably protected against price escalations prompted by the use of private uses of the TMCH? * How many people are using the TMCH solely to be able to participate in the PPML, but NOT any Sunrise Registrations? * How do you structure your PPML? * How many marks are in it? * Are basic works and descriptions included? * How many of the marks are coined or fanciful terms? Action: Sub team to review questions on PPMLs before finalisation at next meeting and to consider whether to invite PPML providers to speak to ST or WG (3) Questions document The ST proposed a number of additional questions to be included in the ST questions document. Action: Staff to rework questions in line with comments received from ST and prepare revised draft in advance of next meeting for review. The next meeting of the sub team will take place on Friday, 02 September 2016 at 15:00 UTC for 60 minutes. Kind regards, David David A. Tait Policy Specialist (Solicitor qualified in Scotland) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Mobile: + 44-7864-793776 Email: david.tait(a)icann.org www.icann.org

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Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat from RPM TMCH Sub Team WG on Friday, 26 August 2016
by Michelle DeSmyter Aug. 26, 2016

Aug. 26, 2016

Dear All, Please find the attendance, MP3 recording and Adobe Connect chat below for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) TMCH Sub Team call held on Friday, 26 August 2016 at 15:00 UTC. MP3: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-tmch-26aug16-en.mp3 <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-tmch-26aug16-en.mp3> <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-tmch-19aug16-en.mp3> <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-tmch-05aug16-en.mp3> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the Sub Team wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/JBCsAw Attendees RPM TMCH Sub Team: Jeff Neuman Kathy Kleiman Kristine Dorrain Marina Lewis Philip Corwin Robin Gross Susan Payne Vaibhav Aggarwal Apologies: Grace Mutung’u Kurt Pritz ICANN staff: Berry Cobb David Tait Michelle DeSmyter ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-tmch/ Main RPM Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/rhiOAw Sub Team Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/JBCsAw Thank you. Kind regards, Michelle DeSmyter ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for 26 August 2016: Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the RPM TMCH Sub team Meeting on Friday, 26 August 2016 at 15:00 UTC. VaibhavAggarwal:Hey Michelle Michelle DeSmyter:Hi there Vaibhav! Welcome and Happy Friday! :) VaibhavAggarwal:R U there ? Michelle DeSmyter:hi Michelle DeSmyter:yes Michelle DeSmyter:I am not able to hear you VaibhavAggarwal:@Kathy :-) Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Hi everyone susan payne:hi all Marina Lewis:happy Friday everyone! Kathy:Hi Vaibhav, Hi All! VaibhavAggarwal::-) Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:yes, I can hear you. I'm thinking. :) Kathy:+1 Kristine susan payne:here is a link to CCTRT page which is relevant: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/cct-metrics-rpm-2016-06-27-en#2.8 susan payne:it looks as though they have not found any data on Blocks Kathy:David: can we add three links for the Donuts DPML to our materials list - for us and for the WG Kathy:1) FAQ - http://www.donuts.domains/services/dpml/dpml-faqs Berry Cobb:While similar, but perhaps different, Rightside also offers DPML. http://rightside.co/registry/dpml/ Kathy:2) Overview - http://www.donuts.domains/services/dpml/dpml-overview Kathy:3) Main webpage on this issue, including video - http://www.donuts.domains/services/dpml Berry Cobb:and it looks like Minds & Machines has a version as well. http://mm-registry.com/mpml-faq/ Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:QUESTION for the list: Did the various DPML services drive users to the TMCH? susan payne:@Kristine - I know it's only anecdotal data, but Com Laude certainly had clients where that was the case Jeff Neuman:A question I have (though not sure if we can get this information) is how many entities have DPML registrations, but NOT any Sunrise Registrations. To me that would show that the DPML caused people to enter their marks in the TMCH just for purposes of the DPML. In other words they may not have entered their marks into the TMCH if it wasnt required for the DPML. Jeff Neuman:@Kathy - I dont understand the comment on the chilling effect? Jeff Neuman:Can you repeat that? susan payne:I think if we talk about what was carefully crafted it also included the GPML susan payne:and agree with Jeff - no one has any data about a chilling effect Kathy:Inciteful comments, tx you Vaibhav VaibhavAggarwal::-) susan payne:hi Vaibhav - I think that is a point for discussion by the wider WG as we move onto the work on the TMCH, as opposed to what data can we gather for the purposes of that work. Is that correct? VaibhavAggarwal:Not Really VaibhavAggarwal:If we dig in a Little Deeper, the MAths will tell us that so far it has been one way activity VaibhavAggarwal:with TMCH and DPML - They controll it. VaibhavAggarwal:For e.g. Japan.com or India.com is not reserved with Verisign - Isnt that soveriegn Properties of the Countries, similarly in the NGTLDs reservation shud be there susan payne:taken hand down - Jeff has said it Jeff Neuman:I disagree...a blocking service was not really discussed by the STI Jeff Neuman:A famous marks list was discussed and rejected Jeff Neuman:But we did not REJECT a universal blocking service Kathy:Do we have any questions for Donuts yet? Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Kathy, I think the question list on the right is sort of a working list that we will cull from/add to David Tait:Kathy, just to concur with Kristine I've been compiling a list of questions in the notes pod Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:+1 Jeff VaibhavAggarwal:So In My opinion, TMCH shud run like a Registrar where Registrants can reachout to TMCH directly Just like Icann nGTLD application w/o Middle Man - this will make the Service More Accessible VaibhavAggarwal:and Acceptable and competitive Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Vaibhav: what would a registrant do with the TMCH? VaibhavAggarwal:Get the Clearence Certificate - G to any registry and register the domain name Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:rightside is DPML also: susan payne:can't we just call it a Block list rather than creating a new acronym which we then have to explain Jeff Neuman:In Sydney (and I was on the panel) there was a rejection of the IRT's Famous Marks List Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Domains Protected Marks List Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Kathy, I'm concerned about analyzing the quality of TMs in the TMCH...is that within our scope (I don't have the WG Scope doc in front of me) Jeff Neuman:One more question: I know that Donuts has applied for a patent with respect to the DPML. We should make sure that is noted. If we were to recommend that going forward, this could have broad implications Berry Cobb:Looks like Rightside owns a Service Mark for DPML: http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=85933407&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=st… Jeff Neuman:@Berry, that is important to note as well, but the patent is a much bigger issue Kathy:@Kristine, I am seeing Donuts referring to it post ways... with its name and without. Recommend a more general term for our general use... Berry Cobb:@ Jeff, looks like Donuts - http://domainnamewire.com/wp-content/dpml-patent.pdf Philip Corwin:Thx for that clarification Jeff, that STI rejected famous marks list, not concept of a blocking list. Noting that Kathy's memory differs somewhat. Kathy:Agreed, Susan! Philip Corwin:Patent is worrisome, especuially if granted. Kathy:Memory definitely differs :-) susan payne:@Kristine - yes, I think that is what I meant but you have expressed it much better! Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Tangential question: Are there other services that trigger off the TMCH? VaibhavAggarwal:And patents most often are Regional in Nature VaibhavAggarwal:Geographic Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:@ Vaibhav, back to our little sidebar above...what is a "clearance certificate" are you suggesting a new thing? Also, a registrant won't interact with the TMCH because it's for brandowners to input marks and then for registrars to query. I'm still a little confused. susan payne:no, that isn't data VaibhavAggarwal::-) Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Kathy, I don't think we want registrars to speculate as to why people are turning back. We might want to rephrase that as "can you provide customer service complaints about confusion/concern with the claims notices"? VaibhavAggarwal:May b not complaints but Queries ? Jeff Neuman:Were disgn marks allowed? VaibhavAggarwal:Excellent Q - @Jeff - So Data Gathering for How Many Desgn Marks have been processed ? susan payne:Kathy your design mark answer is in the TMCH guidelines VaibhavAggarwal:I see that the Data is not gathered as yet as to undert what category, which ones - this will allow us to understand other related Qs Kathy:@Kristine, I like your question and support it. But I think there is more to capture here. For example, there is work of the Registries with the Registrants on anchor tenants, etc. Kathy:So I think there may be more input from Counsel and others at the Registry Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:I'm unfamiliar with the term "anchor tenants" can you explain? Kathy:Registrants recruited by the registry to help launch a new gtld. Kathy:David, for Registrars too, please: Why do you think so many registrants are turning back when they receive TM Claims notices? Jeff Neuman:I would like some more time to wordsmith some of these questions. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:oh, ok, thanks. :) Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Yes, for sure, we need to wordsmith, etc. Jeff Neuman:Do we have the Sunrise numbers broken down by registry? Kathy:TMCH is not automated. Kathy:It is not automatically tied to the USPTO, or any PTO, if that is your question, Vaibhav. VaibhavAggarwal:I mean Registrars is already helping in the processing the TMCH apps susan payne:i think some of the points captured on the right under Donuts may generate Qs for Regisrties generally - not sure, that is the case but I think they might trigger other questions VaibhavAggarwal:Right so can v recomend if this wud work VaibhavAggarwal:like the CAs are tied to the WHOIS RDS Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Vaibhav: Registrars do not participate in processing TMCH applications. I'm not sure what you're asking... Kathy:@David: for Providers: a separate question for TM Owners, and a separate one for DN Registrants: how much time and resources did you spend educating [TM Owners][Registrants] on TMCH, etc.... and then the follow-up question you have noted: in what regions and languages VaibhavAggarwal:@Kristine tey are the Front for the Regsitrant Kathy:Hi All, I have to run. Tx for a great call - have a good weekend! VaibhavAggarwal:You too Kathy VaibhavAggarwal:One Min PLz VaibhavAggarwal:David VaibhavAggarwal:TM-Selection - the world-wide trademark catalogue VaibhavAggarwal:http://www.tm-selection.com<http://www.tm-selection.com/> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Are you making a suggestion? VaibhavAggarwal:Yes VaibhavAggarwal:We shud Study This VaibhavAggarwal::-) VaibhavAggarwal:Thanks Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:I'd welcome a specific suggestion about what to study - what do you think is valuable or distinctive about this? Jeff Neuman:I am always a little reluctant to use third party sites for which we have no information about their reputation, methods, etc. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Yes, I would want some focus before I looked at it. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Thanks David. susan payne:thanks Philip Corwin:Bye all/enjoy the weekend David Tait:Thanks! VaibhavAggarwal:Thanks ciao

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Notes and Actions from today's RPM TMCH Sub Team Meeting of 26 Aug 2016
by David Tait Aug. 26, 2016

Aug. 26, 2016

Dear All Please find below a list of actions and outcomes from today’s meeting of the TMCH Sub Team. For ease of reference these have been broken down into 3 topics. These are: (1) New links to be added to the working Group reading list (2) Questions to Registries providing Private Protected Marks Lists (PPML) and (3) Further consideration of questions document to be sent to key stakeholders. (1) Working Group reading list Action Staff to add links the following links to WG materials list: 1) FAQ - http://www.donuts.domains/services/dpml/dpml-faqs 2) Overview - http://www.donuts.domains/services/dpml/dpml-overview 3) Main webpage on this issue, including video - http://www.donuts.domains/services/dpml 4) Staff to add CCT-RT data to WG reading list 5) http://www.tm-selection.com (Action sub team to consider this before upload by staff) (2) PPML The ST proposed a list of additional question to be added to ST questions document: It appears that a TMCH SMD file is required for the PPML, was there push back from people who wanted to use DPML but not put marks into the TMCH? Did the various PPML services drive users to the TMCH? Are these third party, additional services promoting the use of the TMCH? Is the 'chilling effect' being extended through these private uses of the TMCH? Are registrants suitably protected against price escalations prompted by the use of private uses of the TMCH? How many people are using the TMCH solely to be able to participate in the PPML, but NOT any Sunrise Registrations? How do you structure your PPML? How many marks are in it? Are basic works and descriptions included? How many of the marks are coined or fanciful terms? Action: Sub team to review questions on PPMLs before finalisation at next meeting and to consider whether to invite PPML providers to speak to ST or WG (3) Questions document The ST proposed a number of additional questions to be included in the ST questions document. Action: Staff to rework questions in line with comments received from ST and prepare revised draft in advance of next meeting for review. The next meeting of the sub team will take place on Friday, 02 September 2016 at 15:00 UTC for 60 minutes. Kind regards, David David A. Tait Policy Specialist (Solicitor qualified in Scotland) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Mobile: + 44-7864-793776 Email: david.tait(a)icann.org www.icann.org

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RPM TMCH sub team agenda for meeting Friday, 26 August 2016
by David Tait Aug. 26, 2016

Aug. 26, 2016

Dear All Staff would like to propose the following agenda for the next RPM TMCH sub team to be held today (Friday) 26 August 2016 at 15:00 UTC meeting. (1) Review of List of Questions for TMCH Providers, Registrars and Registries to identify any gaps and additional questions; and (2) Staff update on further data extraction. The List of Questions for TMCH Providers, Registrars and Registries is attached to this email. Kind regards, David David A. Tait Policy Specialist (Solicitor qualified in Scotland) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Mobile: + 44-7864-793776 Email: david.tait(a)icann.org www.icann.org

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TMCH Sub-team: Revised questions to TMCH Providers
by David Tait Aug. 23, 2016

Aug. 23, 2016

Dear All On Friday there were several additions made during the sub-team call to the questions for the providers and other key stakeholders. Staff are therefore circulating a revised draft and would ask for any comments in advance of Friday’s meeting which would allow for discussion at the next sub-team meeting David David A. Tait Policy Specialist (Solicitor qualified in Scotland) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Mobile: + 44-7864-793776 Email: david.tait(a)icann.org www.icann.org

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Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat for RPM TMCH Sub team meeting on Friday, 19 August 2016
by Michelle DeSmyter Aug. 19, 2016

Aug. 19, 2016

Dear All, Please find the attendance, MP3 recording and Adobe Connect chat below for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) TMCH Sub Team call held on Friday, 19 August 2016 at 15:00 UTC. MP3: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-tmch-19aug16-en.mp3 <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-tmch-05aug16-en.mp3> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the Sub Team wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/XgusAw Attendees RPM TMCH Sub Team: Edward Morris Grace Mutung’u Jeff Neuman Khouloud Dawahi Kathy Kleiman Kristine Dorrain Philip Corwin Apologies: Kurt Pritz ICANN staff: Mary Wong David Tait Michelle DeSmyter ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-tmch/ Main RPM Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/rhiOAw Sub Team Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/XgusAw Thank you. Kind regards, Michelle DeSmyter ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for 19 August 2016: Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the RPM TMCH Sub team meeting on Friday, 19 August 2016 at 15:00 UTC. David Tait:michelle, if I email you a document would you be kind enough to upload it to the room? David Tait:I'm having some trouble. Jeff Neuman:Lets see if the email sent last week gets additional attendees :) Michelle DeSmyter:absolutely! David Tait:Thanks! Michelle DeSmyter:I will watch for it Kathy:Hi All! Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Hi everyone! I didn't get a calendar entry for this week's call so had to rely on memory. Did anyone else miss the appointment? Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:I only ask because I fear that would reduce participation if it's simply not on people's calendars. David Tait:The links for today's call https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/61606228/TABULAR%20SUMMARY… andhttps://community.icann.org/download/attachments/61606228/Action%20Items… susan payne:I don't think I got a calendar invite either Kristine, although I did get David's emails with agenda etc Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Yes, I got the agenda emails as well. Philip Corwin:Hello all. Apologies for being a few minutes late. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Hi Phil Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Thanks David, sounds good. Mary Wong:We tried to use time intervals that would be consistent yet useful - and as mentioned, this is all information from the TMCH and available ont their website Mary Wong:@Jeff, that's a good point - the TMCH says "marks submitted" but not "labels or SMD files generated" susan payne:yep susan payne:I think that would be based on the tm registraion susan payne:ie it could be UK, could be pan-EU depending on the mark Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Yes, Jeff, that's my recollection. Mary Wong:That is our understanding as well Kathy:I think Mary and David are doing a great job compiling data; Kathy:and we are doing a good job raising the initial set of questions - to help the WG. Jeff Neuman:Good point susan Mary Wong:@Susan, that is what we assumed as well Mary Wong:Hence "jurisditions" vs "countries" Mary Wong:These are all direct quotes from the AG Draft Report Mary Wong:@Kristine, we note that the AG was careful to use the phrasing "predominantly located" Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Yes, me too! Philip Corwin:Staff--Iam trying t download this document and am getting a message that the download path is invaid. Has this been circulated to subgroup members in this form? Thanks Mary Wong:Question is - purpose for which we might want to know the HQ/breakdown for David Tait:Phil, it has been but I will email the documents to you again for ease of access Kathy:Susan - it's a great point... and a question I think we all had susan payne:thanks susan payne:thanks David Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:So you would be spending the week looking for the information in the Notes section and then update the doc with that (or note it it's unavailable for later survey purposes?) Mary Wong:@Kristine, that was our idea ... but open to new directions! Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:I like it. I think we keep filling this in until we hit a wall David Tait:Sorry Susan you cut out there could you repeat that or type it in the chat? susan payne:I agree Mary, it may be too granular to be able to gather Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Would be useful to invite Donuts to talk to us? They can always just say no. susan payne:I definitely think we want to try to gather info about numbers of DPMLs. Just not sure if we'd be able to drill down particularly accurately on impact on sunrise registrations Kathy:Can Staff reach out first? susan payne:I'm just going to log out and back in again as I ahve interference Mary Wong:@Kathy, that would be one of the questions we would ask Donuts, no? susan:pretty sure not public :) Mary Wong:Me too Mary Wong:We have not found anything specifif about TMs/Labels using the DPML through a public search Philip Corwin:tend to agree with kathy. we should get a better idea of what Donuts has and is willing to share prior to a call to make the call maximally productive. even if they don't have or won't share data, we need to formulate relevant questions or discussion topics in advance Jeff Neuman:This is the only info for DPML: http://www.donuts.domains/services/dpml/dpml-overview Mary Wong:@Jeff, yep Kathy:Tx Kristine, that makes sense! Kathy:In that case, I;m with Phil Kathy:Let's due some more due dililgence first Kathy:and then invite them on in a few weeks.... Kathy:(Donuts) Jeff Neuman:Here is the patent application: http://domainnamewire.com/wp-content/dpml-patent.pdf Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Mary, you're breaking up Philip Corwin:Breaking up badly, mary Jeff Neuman:What dilligence Kathy? Philip Corwin:can't hear you at all now Mary Wong:Sorry Mary Wong:Was just asking what other due diligence staff can do at this point since there is no further public info we could find Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Thanks, we got that Mary. Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:On the "future questions list" lets add: investigate all the private RPMs that are triggered off the TMCH Mary Wong:@Kathy, we haven't found anything public about that. Perhaps registires internally haeve that info. Kathy:Good path forward, Kristine! Jeff Neuman:Donuts, Rightside and Mights and Machines Jeff Neuman:Minds and Machines susan:great, good suggestion Kristine Mary Wong:@Jeff, would you suggest us approaching those three registries and ask them to get on a call with us to find out what they are able to share, in a few weeks? Edward Morris:+1 Kristine Philip Corwin:Support that way forward Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:On that note, I have to jump off and will follow up with the last few minutes later. Thanks everyone for another productive call. Mary Wong:@kathy, this was from the Staff RPM Paper Mary Wong:Note also the Staff Notes at the bottom of the page - we tried, on instruction from the Sub Team last week, to find blogs, comments etc on developing country outreach but came up with almost none Mary Wong:Yes there were webinars by the TMCH Mary Wong:Note that this - outreach, developing countries - is something that is being scoped by other projects e.g. CCT-RT Mary Wong:So we need to be careful not to duplicate efforts elsewhere Mary Wong:@Jeff, is this a general topic that New gTLD PDP is looking at? Since outreach to registrants may be something that is broader than the RPM Review remit. Mary Wong:@Susan, our understanding is that what's in the final staff paper is the corrected info Mary Wong:Plus the latest figures would be what the AG has in their report Mary Wong:Good point, Susan - that's why the AG figures are the most up to date, though they don't use raw numbers Mary Wong:I'm not sure ICANN could go back and fix the Drafr Report numbers TBH susan:ok, I need to remind myself what's in the AG report Mary Wong:@Susan, all - would it be worth asking the AG for the raw numbers from which they got thei 94%? susan:yes! Mary Wong:OK Mary Wong:@Kathy, note the AG caution about reading coorelation/causation of non-registration as a result of Claims Notices. Kathy:Tx you asking the Analysis Group these questions! Kathy:@Susan, that's a good point. Kathy:This materials is very useful - great tx to David and Mary! Philip Corwin:If registries inappropriately used TMCH data to set premium prices they may have violated their separate contractual agreement with TMCH. Isn't that an issue for Compliance? But agree we don't wont to spook them if they have data useful to us. susan:shall we all endeavour to circulate feedback by email on the questions so we can try to progress Mary Wong:That would be super helpful Mary Wong:esp since we don't know there will be much update to this data doc by next Fri Kathy:@David, did you say that you were going to iterate on the questions this week? Or that you were going to send them out? Philip Corwin:so we meet again next week same time? Mary Wong:@Kathy, per Susan, we will recirculate the questions document for feedback Mary Wong:@Phil, yes Philip Corwin:thx Mary/bye all susan:lovely, thanks all. susan:epecially David and mary

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Notes and Actions from TMCH Sub-team meeting 19 August 2016
by David Tait Aug. 19, 2016

Aug. 19, 2016

Dear All Please find below a list of notes and actions from today’s sub-team call. The call only dealt substantively with item #2 on the agenda the tabular data document prepared by staff. The notes are as follows: Page 1 ACTION STAFF: Check with Deloitte that totals are cumulative or not; Define the meaning of "expired marks"; How are marks cancelled in the national registries handled at the TMCH level; Clarify that this is the number of trademarks submitted and not the number of labels or the SMD files listed. Page 2 ACTION STAFF: Is it possible to get a break down of where the corporate headquarters of those using TM agents to submit to the TMCH are located? Find out how much of this info CCT-RT is also gathering Page 3/4 ACTION STAFF: Update the data when it is available from Deloitte and IBM ACTION SUB-TEAM: To consider what data, if any the sub-team would like to obtain from Donuts and other DPML-like providers. To return to this issue at next meeting. Page 6 ACTION STAFF: Were there outreach efforts to registrants or tradework owners? To whom were outreach efforts made? Page 7 ACTION STAFF: Have the figures been corrected to take account of incorrect usage? May not be possible - most up to date is AG numbers, so ask AG for the raw numbers from which they derived the percentages. Staff to investigate. Looking at correct claims notice statistics for registrar gaming and registrant turn-back in relation to chilling effect, staff to draft this into next iteration of List of Questions for TMCH Providers, Registrars and Registries. ACTION SUB-TEAM: Sub-team to review List of Questions for TMCH Providers, Registrars and Registries and provide feedback to staff by Friday in order to prepare revised draft. Kind regards, David David A. Tait Policy Specialist (Solicitor qualified in Scotland) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Mobile: + 44-7864-793776 Email: david.tait(a)icann.org www.icann.org

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