Good points, thanks Marina for raising these. From: gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of J. Scott Evans via gnso-rpm-wg Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:54 PM To: Marie Pattullo; Marina Lewis Cc: gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] A Brave New World Without Sunrises or the TMCH Agreed. Thanks Marina. [ttps://inside.corp.adobe.com/content/dam/brandcenter/images/image002.gif] J. Scott Evans 408.536.5336 (tel) 345 Park Avenue, Mail Stop W11-544 Director, Associate General Counsel 408.709.6162 (cell) San Jose, CA, 95110, USA Adobe. Make It an Experience. jsevans@adobe.com<mailto:jsevans@adobe.com> www.adobe.com<http://www.adobe.com> From: <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Date: Friday, April 14, 2017 at 10:31 AM To: Marina Lewis <marina@dns-law.com<mailto:marina@dns-law.com>> Cc: "gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] A Brave New World Without Sunrises or the TMCH + 1. Thanks Marina. Sent from my iPhone, sorry for typos On 14 Apr 2017, at 19:24, Marina Lewis <marina@dns-law.com<mailto:marina@dns-law.com>> wrote: Jeremy, Except that real life doesn't pan out like that. In my experience as a trademark practitioner, my clients are not interested in gobbling up domain names for registration's sake - and absorbing the administrative and financial headaches that this entails. Rather, most brand owners are primarily concerned with stopping the registration of domains names that genuinely cause confusion with consumers, or which pose a potential threat to consumer and public safety (e.g., phishing, malware, etc.). A domain name registration along the lines you suggest below simply does not reflect that business reality. That said, I am not so naïve to suppose that this never happens by a trademark owner acting in bad faith, but I am not aware of any evidence to suggest this is the norm. Moreover, the greater threat are the instances where domain investors/resellers/scalpers (choose your preferred terminology) register domain names which they have no bona fide interest in using, apart from reselling it at a profit to a party interested in using it for legitimate purposes – aka, a brand owner. This is exactly the type of “abuse” the TMCH was designed to prevent. Marina -----Original Message----- From: gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Malcolm Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:12 AM To: gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] A Brave New World Without Sunrises or the TMCH On 13/4/17 8:47 pm, Greg Shatan wrote:
However, I don't think number 2 qualifies as gaming or abuse -- except
to the extent the trademark owner is being gamed or abused. Indeed,
one of the failed assumptions of the New gTLD Program seems to have
been that trademark owners would buy even more defensive registrations
than they did.
So there's nothing wrong with a company that has a trademark for computers sunrise registering that trademark in a gTLD that relates to fruit on the strength of its computer trademark, locking out those who would actually use that domain name to sell fruit? Sounds like abuse to me. -- Jeremy Malcolm Senior Global Policy Analyst Electronic Frontier Foundation https://eff.org<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feff.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C65e8e2ff71e64f7cde9308d4835c199b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636277878961247617&sdata=6B%2Fd4xJ%2BLcgNrVTYJwAsy0LfoiBPzPB7IhRTEw%2Ffhmk%3D&reserved=0> jmalcolm@eff.org<mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org> Tel: 415.436.9333 ext 161 :: Defending Your Rights in the Digital World :: Public key: https://www.eff.org/files/2016/11/27/key_jmalcolm.txt<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eff.org%2Ffiles%2F2016%2F11%2F27%2Fkey_jmalcolm.txt&data=02%7C01%7C%7C65e8e2ff71e64f7cde9308d4835c199b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636277878961247617&sdata=gt6micFxvjhM4H1jblOivysceEsZjde6KupvwdDtKfs%3D&reserved=0> PGP fingerprint: 75D2 4C0D 35EA EA2F 8CA8 8F79 4911 EC4A EDDF 1122 !DSPAM:58f105da17161890220640! _______________________________________________ gnso-rpm-wg mailing list gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-wg<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmm.icann.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fgnso-rpm-wg&data=02%7C01%7C%7C65e8e2ff71e64f7cde9308d4835c199b%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636277878961247617&sdata=WqsB2BHYwcHv8HoQoO0RmQuJ9WeywHONURSXkYG9brM%3D&reserved=0> !DSPAM:58f105da17161890220640! World IP Day 2017 – Join the conversation Web: www.wipo.int/ipday Facebook: www.facebook.com/worldipday World Intellectual Property Organization Disclaimer: This electronic message may contain privileged, confidential and copyright protected information. If you have received this e-mail by mistake, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail and all its attachments. Please ensure all e-mail attachments are scanned for viruses prior to opening or using.
