Thanks for continuing the discussion on the mailing list, Kathy and Claudio. Allow me to explain that, from the staff perspective, we limited the revisions in the document to the one specific action item that was noted from the call (i.e. rephrase Question 4). We then added a couple of comments to try to capture some suggestions over additional respondents for existing (unchanged) questions that did not generate opposition – however, as Claudio noted, other suggestions over which members participating on the call expressed concerns (such as on scope) were not included pending further instructions from and agreement among the Working Group. I hope this clarifies. Cheers Mary From: claudio di gangi <ipcdigangi@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 12:39 To: Kathy Kleiman <kathy@kathykleiman.com>, Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org>, "gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" <gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] [Ext] Re: Agenda and documents for RPM Working Group call on Wednesday 4 October Kathy, Thanks for putting this together. It may depend on the question - from recollection it seemed seeking data from various sources was either inconsistent with the meaning of the particular question and/or changed the purpose of the inquiry. I think the budget issue is a separate consideration as you describe. Just my two cents. Best, Claudio On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 12:07 PM Kathy Kleiman <kathy@kathykleiman.com<mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com>> wrote: Hi Mary and All, With Amr's recent departure (and the Co-Chairs have wished him well!), there appear to be Notes and suggestions captured in our discussion, but not incorporated into the new document. I have taken the time to go through the notes that Amr prepared of this long 90-minute, late-night (for many of us) discussion to capture it more fully in the Edited Document (updated version now attached). I would urge Martin, Phil and others who participated and offered additional data sources to review -- as well as the WG. I should note that I do not see how adding a few additional data sources is controversial because a) the Subteam wrote the questions (thank you!), but not the data gathering, and we asked the full WG to review the data gathering document drafted by Staff at last week's meeting and make suggestions. We did so together and valuable suggestions were offered of additional sources of data that might be available to answer the questions, including the Analysis Group which has already gathered data related to some of our inquiries. Further, we propose to add a few Additional Marketplace RPM questions and sub-questions to the surveys of Registries, Registrars and Trademark Owners. It is hard to see how adding a question or two for Registrants would be the tipping point of the budget. Best, Kathy p.s. Document attached working off the Notes Amr prepared of our last meeting. On 10/4/2017 11:32 AM, Mary Wong wrote: Apologies, Kathy – you are correct that the the PDF sent out with the agenda did not capture the redline as intended. Please use the attached version instead. Please note that the updates do not reflect the entirety of the discussion on the call, which are referenced in the notes as well as documented in detail in the recording and transcript. Thanks and cheers Mary From: Kathy Kleiman <kathy@kathykleiman.com><mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com> Date: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 11:15 To: "gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org"<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org> <gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org><mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org>, Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org><mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> Subject: [Ext] Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Agenda and documents for RPM Working Group call on Wednesday 4 October Hi Mary, Is there a redline available of the original Additional Marketplace RPM questions (with edits) versus the original one we discussed on the call last week? A number of requests for additional parties to seek data from (some as simple as asking the Analysis Group for data we believe they have that is responsive to certain questions) to not appear to be reflected here. Best, Kathy On 10/4/2017 12:36 AM, Mary Wong wrote: Dear all, Here is the proposed agenda for the Working Group call scheduled for 1700 UTC on Wednesday 4 October 2017: 1. Roll call (via Adobe Connect and phone bridge only); updates to Statements of Interest 2. Complete discussion of Additional Marketplace RPM questions, and agree on next steps 3. Staff presentation and Working Group discussion of initial staff compilation of Sunrise registration data 4. Next steps/next meeting For Agenda Item #2, staff has updated the Additional Marketplace RPMs document from last week, based on the discussion on the last call – please see the attached document. We note that the Working Group discussion last week ended at Question 2 under Section V on Page 5. The call this week will continue to cover the following topic that was not addressed on the call last week due to lack of time: * The co-chairs’ suggestion of the creation of a small, fast-moving subgroup to: * Review the list of data wanted and needed for Additional Marketplace Protections Questions, with input of the WG meeting, looking at the information staff provided at the end of last week on the Additional Marketplace RPMs provided by Donuts, M+M and Rightside; and sharing with WG which questions these appear to address (in whole or in part); and * Review the approved data request in light of the Council’s additional direction for us to maximize the value of the data gathered with recommendations for the WG of revisions or changes. * Assuming there is general agreement on this approach, a Call for Volunteers will start following this call. The Working Group co-chairs would like to ask the chairs of the Sunrise and Trademark Claims Sub Teams (Lori Schulman, Kristine Dorrain and Michael Graham) to participate, and encourage Working Group members familiar with survey work to join as well. In addition, there was some discussion on the last call over where and how to find information on the Additional Marketplace RPMs currently being offered by some registry operators. The Working Group co-chairs have asked staff to recirculate the staff-prepared summary of that information. Please be sure to review the document for information on the current Additional Marketplace RPMs, which can be found here: https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/71598243/Current%20AddlMktplace%20RPMs%20-%20summary%20%26%20sources%20-%2021%20Sept.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1506443423000&api=v2[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_71598243_Current-2520AddlMktplace-2520RPMs-2520-2D-2520summary-2520-2526-2520sources-2520-2D-252021-2520Sept.pdf-3Fversion-3D1-26modificationDate-3D1506443423000-26api-3Dv2&d=DwMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=vUx4TqH6No4hWzJ8doE-ofVKteiRe2pS3ymvGRiTN0g&s=uIgNmfaEcsvCxOqQoJR45I6pm_-Z36mONSORvU4rB2Q&e=> Finally, for Agenda Item #3, please find attached a set of charts concerning Sunrise registration data that staff will take the Working Group through in detail on the call. Please note the following: * The document is lengthy, but for purposes of the presentation and discussion on the call, we will be focusing only on the eight charts on the first seven pages. The remainder of the document is the actual data for each new gTLD relating to its type, delegation date and Sunrise dates and duration. * This is only the initial results of staff compilation of data related to Sunrise registrations that is available in the form of the reports provided to ICANN by registries, registrars and IBM as the TMCH Database provider. We anticipate refining these results further, and possibly adding more informational charts, depending on the Working Group’s questions and suggestions following the staff presentation. * ICANN does not collect or require the reporting of Sunrise pricing or the launch dates, pricing and usage of Additional Marketplace RPMs such as Protected Marks List services. 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