Full adjudicatory systems may have a loser-pays system; what are the examples of deliberately quick, evidence-limited systems that use loser-pays? (For example, the TM registration system deliberately decides issues in the abstract rather than based on the actual use of the mark in the marketplace, for good reasons.) I'm not aware of US models but I'd be interested to know what's out there. Rebecca Tushnet Frank Stanton Professor of First Amendment Law, Harvard Law School 703 593 6759 ________________________________ From: gnso-rpm-wg <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Susan Payne <susan.payne@valideus.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 10:54 AM To: George Kirikos; gnso-rpm-wg Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] URS "Loser Pays" proposal vs. TTAB Manual of Procedure It's unclear to me what possible relevance the practice of the US trademark office has to this. Plenty of fora utilise a mechanism whereby the losing party makes a contribution to the costs of the proceedings. Susan Payne Head of Legal Policy Valideus 28-30 Little Russell Street London WC1A 2HN United Kingdom D: +44 (0) 20 7421 8255 T: +44 (0) 20 7421 8299 M: +44 (0) 7971 661175 E: susan.payne@valideus.com www.valideus.com<http://www.valideus.com> New gTLD Consultancy & Management Services | VALIDEUS<http://www.valideus.com/> www.valideus.com Valideus helps organisations considering ICANN new gTLD opportunities. We can help you navigate the application process and manage secure registries Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the sender’s own and not made on behalf of Valideus. This message is intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to us, and immediately and permanently delete it. Do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Valideus Ltd is registered in England and Wales with company number 06181291 and VAT number 272 9057 85. Our registered office is at 28-30 Little Russell Street, London, WC1A 2HN. -----Original Message----- From: gnso-rpm-wg [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of George Kirikos Sent: 02 October 2018 15:32 To: gnso-rpm-wg <gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org> Subject: [gnso-rpm-wg] URS "Loser Pays" proposal vs. TTAB Manual of Procedure Hi folks, In addition to the past concerns expressed re: identity theft, and how it can lead to a denial of service attack if a loser pays policy was adopted for the URS: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/2018-September/003291.html I did some additional research today on the United States TTAB procedures, and found this: https://tmep.uspto.gov/RDMS/TBMP/current#/current/sec-6f6dfee8-51e8-40b5-bc2... "Trademark Trial and Appeal Board Manual of Procedure 2018-06 502.05 Attorneys’ Fees, etc., on Motions The Board will not hold any person in contempt, or award attorneys’ fees, other expenses, or damages to any party. [ Note 1.] NOTES: 1. 37 C.F.R. § 2.127(f); NSM Resources Corp. v. Microsoft Corp., 113 USPQ2d 1029, 1035 n.10 (TTAB 2014) (Board cannot assess monetary damage awards); General Mills Inc. v. Fage Dairy Processing Industries SA, 100 USPQ2d 1584, 1591 (TTAB 2011) (no authority to determine damages), judgment set aside on other grounds, 110 USPQ2d 1679 (TTAB 2014) (non-precedential); Kairos Institute of Sound Healing, LLC v. Doolittle Gardens, LLC, 88 USPQ2d 1541, 1544 n.6 (2008); Central Manufacturing Inc. v. Third Millennium Technology Inc., 61 USPQ2d 1210, 1213 (TTAB 2001) ("although the Board does not impose monetary sanctions or award attorneys’ fees or other expenses, the Board has the authority to enter other appropriate sanctions"); Duke University v. Haggar Clothing Co., 54 USPQ2d 1443, 1445 n.3 (TTAB 2000). See also 37 C.F.R. § 2.120(g) and 37 C.F.R. § 2.120(h)(1). Note, however, that conduct in violation of the Disciplinary Rules set forth in 37 C.F.R. Part 11 may be referred to the Office of Enrollment and Discipline (OED) for appropriate action. See 37 C.F.R. § 11.19 et seq." So, what is being proposed in regards to "loser pays" doesn't appear to exist in the US TTAB procedures. Sincerely, George Kirikos 416-588-0269 http://www.leap.com/ _______________________________________________ gnso-rpm-wg mailing list gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-wg _______________________________________________ gnso-rpm-wg mailing list gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-wg