Reminder - outstanding action items
All, in preparation for the meeting that is to be scheduled for next week, please take note of the outstanding action items: 1. TF members from the IPC, BC, and RySG (and others as they wish) to consult with their members concerning how they deal with disclosures of clients/relationships in other contexts and suggest revisions if any to the following language: “If professional ethical obligations prevent you from disclosing this information, please provide details on which ethical obligations prevent you from disclosing and provide a high level description of the entity that you are representing without disclosing its name, for example ‘I represent a Registry client’ or ‘I am representing a non-GNSO related entity.’” 2. DUE BY 9 January: TF members to review the following language from the revised SOI to confirm that it provides sufficient flexibility: “The detailed questions will be made publicly available and may be reviewed and revised by the GNSO Council from time to time using its relevant processes.” 3. DUE BY 9 January: TF members to suggest SOI Samples (see https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-i7oTXv_7eRibJK8a8FQ8Df9CCClWuH_/edit) intended to provide further guidance to those completing an SOI. As a reminder, the comments received during the public comment period have been captured here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/13jhExwduE7qrRovZFDw5FwAjtUlSffwz/edit - you can still include your views on how the TF should address those comments in the table at the bottom. Thanks, Julie & Marika
Hi all As discussed at the last meeting, Susan and I have sought further feedback from the IPC regarding the disclosure exception for ethical obligations. Please see the comments below. I've also added them to the table. - Concerned that if the client specifically instructs the attorney not to disclose its representation then the attorney might be ethically prohibited from doing so and that there are also more general ethical prohibitions on disclosing representation of a client without the client’s consent. See for example, from Rule 1.6 of the American Bar Association Model Rules of Professional Conduct – Confidentiality if Information, which is reflected in many state-specific rules of professional conduct: “A fundamental principle in the client-lawyer relationship is that, in the absence of the client's informed consent, the lawyer must not reveal information relating to the representation.” - This is just the US, however, that there may be similar rules in other jurisdictions. Accordingly, I think that the wording "If professional ethical obligations prevent you from disclosing this information, please provide details on which ethical obligations prevent you from disclosing and provide a high level description of the entity that you are representing without disclosing its name, for example, 'I represent a Registry client' or 'I am representing a non-GNSO related entity'" must be retained or it potentially excludes attorneys from ICANN participation. - there is no definition of “representative”. The question seems straightforward in its face and probably is for non-lawyers. But for lawyers, maybe is not so clear. Its one thing if a client is asking an attorney to advocate for something specifically in his or her ICANN participation. But in the absence of that, does the current language mean that attorneys completing SOIs would have to disclose every client they represent generally? Not only is that problematic from an ethical perspective but also from a practical perspective. An attorney may have dozens or hundreds of people they represent. If an attorney at a firm does some brief work for another attorney’s client, does that qualify as “representing” and now the attorney must include that person or company in his or her SOI? That is completely unworkable. - Not a fair comparison to look at lobbying of organisations like the EU and USG. Lawyers acting for clients are not lobbyists. ICANN presents itself as not a govt and not a lobbying organisation - ICANN itself is quick to point out that it must comply with the law. Some attorneys (at least in US, but likely in other countries) have ethical rules which serve as a prohibition on disclosure. If they disregard they could be disbarred, so it’s not something they can negotiate - Forcing a lawyer to disclose or refuse to act unfairly discriminates against them - The language regarding disclosure in the SOI is also vague and open to interpretation. There is no definition of “representative”, and this may not be clearcut for a lawyer. How do they meet this and not run the risk of being accused of failure to disclose? It’s one thing if a client is asking an attorney to advocate for something specifically in his or her ICANN participation, but this is not always the case. E.g. are lawyers being asked to disclose everyone they work with (i.e. their client list?), because, for example, they are seeking to protect brand owner interests online generally? What disclosure are they supposed to make if they have one or more clients whose interests they are seeking to safeguard, but who are not paying them to participate? Kind regards Elizabeth On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 9:23 PM Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org> wrote:
All, in preparation for the meeting that is to be scheduled for next week, please take note of the outstanding action items:
1. *TF members from the IPC, BC, and RySG (and others as they wish) to consult with their members concerning how they deal with disclosures of clients/relationships in other contexts and suggest revisions if any to the following language: “If professional ethical obligations prevent you from disclosing this information, please provide details on which ethical obligations prevent you from disclosing and provide a high level description of the entity that you are representing without disclosing its name, for example ‘I represent a Registry client’ or ‘I am representing a non-GNSO related entity.’”* 2. *DUE BY 9 January**: TF members to review the following language from the revised SOI to confirm that it provides sufficient flexibility:* *“The detailed questions will be made publicly available and may be reviewed and revised by the GNSO Council from time to time using its relevant processes.”* 3. *DUE BY 9 January**: TF members to suggest SOI Samples (see https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-i7oTXv_7eRibJK8a8FQ8Df9CCClWuH_/edit <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-i7oTXv_7eRibJK8a8FQ8Df9CCClWuH_/edit>) intended to provide further guidance to those completing an SOI.*
As a reminder, the comments received during the public comment period have been captured here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/13jhExwduE7qrRovZFDw5FwAjtUlSffwz/edit - you can still include your views on how the TF should address those comments in the table at the bottom.
Thanks,
Julie & Marika
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Good morning all, Please accept my apologies, but I will be in "listening only mode" for our call this morning. I will submit any further comments to the list later today, however there were no additional comments/input received from RySG since our last meeting beyond those that were submitted during the comment period. Thank you, Karen On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 9:23 PM Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>> wrote: All, in preparation for the meeting that is to be scheduled for next week, please take note of the outstanding action items: 1. TF members from the IPC, BC, and RySG (and others as they wish) to consult with their members concerning how they deal with disclosures of clients/relationships in other contexts and suggest revisions if any to the following language: “If professional ethical obligations prevent you from disclosing this information, please provide details on which ethical obligations prevent you from disclosing and provide a high level description of the entity that you are representing without disclosing its name, for example ‘I represent a Registry client’ or ‘I am representing a non-GNSO related entity.’” 2. DUE BY 9 January: TF members to review the following language from the revised SOI to confirm that it provides sufficient flexibility: “The detailed questions will be made publicly available and may be reviewed and revised by the GNSO Council from time to time using its relevant processes.” 3. DUE BY 9 January: TF members to suggest SOI Samples (see https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-i7oTXv_7eRibJK8a8FQ8Df9CCClWuH_/edit<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1-i7oTXv_7eRibJK8a8FQ8Df9CCClWuH_%2Fedit&data=05%7C01%7CKaren.Day%40sas.com%7C57c5d0c3f8b94391e69f08daf3b9a0eb%7Cb1c14d5c362545b3a4309552373a0c2f%7C0%7C0%7C638090275867698499%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=DMt3j%2Fi%2Bt1BzK%2FfE0ixzglcTrUxVUHXARRiAtEK5i7Y%3D&reserved=0>) intended to provide further guidance to those completing an SOI. As a reminder, the comments received during the public comment period have been captured here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/13jhExwduE7qrRovZFDw5FwAjtUlSffwz/edit<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F13jhExwduE7qrRovZFDw5FwAjtUlSffwz%2Fedit&data=05%7C01%7CKaren.Day%40sas.com%7C57c5d0c3f8b94391e69f08daf3b9a0eb%7Cb1c14d5c362545b3a4309552373a0c2f%7C0%7C0%7C638090275867698499%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=DrGnBXjP8XFQXUplvEfj1usBWCldagpq2bKKTZvyHSE%3D&reserved=0> - you can still include your views on how the TF should address those comments in the table at the bottom. Thanks, Julie & Marika _______________________________________________ GNSO-SOI-TF mailing list GNSO-SOI-TF@icann.org<mailto:GNSO-SOI-TF@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-soi-tf<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmm.icann.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fgnso-soi-tf&data=05%7C01%7CKaren.Day%40sas.com%7C57c5d0c3f8b94391e69f08daf3b9a0eb%7Cb1c14d5c362545b3a4309552373a0c2f%7C0%7C0%7C638090275867698499%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=AitxV8%2FVG6JkYY3mLIcB5Bj9wXEfLzQhwt3HZXi8XBw%3D&reserved=0> _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icann.org%2Fprivacy%2Fpolicy&data=05%7C01%7CKaren.Day%40sas.com%7C57c5d0c3f8b94391e69f08daf3b9a0eb%7Cb1c14d5c362545b3a4309552373a0c2f%7C0%7C0%7C638090275867698499%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ciD2KbkFBgmL7ugbFmwPo6mDIoaAe624ukky5PSNx%2FE%3D&reserved=0>) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icann.org%2Fprivacy%2Ftos&data=05%7C01%7CKaren.Day%40sas.com%7C57c5d0c3f8b94391e69f08daf3b9a0eb%7Cb1c14d5c362545b3a4309552373a0c2f%7C0%7C0%7C638090275867698499%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Nwnt2qMFpbbn2HxgKDY7jKYzmTJm9lENdqECNbmQ6rE%3D&reserved=0>). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
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Marika Konings