Dear All, I want to supplement the IPC concerns about Julf. I think that I may have mischaracterized them based on some additional feedback from our members. The concern is that while Julf has been on council, he hasn’t been involved in the daily workings of any policy development. To our knowledge, Julf is not on any PDP working groups, review teams or other ICANN policy initiatives. Osvaldo is on the reconvened IGO-INGO group and Paul is on CCWG. I don’t know if this changes anyone’s minds and the IPC is not casting an official objection but I wanted to set the record straight. What I said in the transcript is correct but I would like to supplement with the concerns about knowledge and participation in policy development at the working group level. If we had the opportunity to talk to the candidates, some of these concerns might be cleared up. I am glad that we will reconsider how we evaluate this important position moving forward. Thank you. Lori S. Schulman Senior Director, Internet Policy International Trademark Association (INTA) +1-202-704-0408, Skype: lsschulman [2017-esig] From: gnso-ssc-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ssc-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie Peregrine Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 5:21 PM To: gnso-ssc@icann.org Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org Subject: [Gnso-ssc] Recordings, Attendance & AC Chat from GNSO Standing Selection Committee call on 5 October 2017 at 19:00 UTC Dear all, Please find below the mp3, attendance, Adobe Connect recording and chat for the GNSO Standing Selection Committee held on 5 October 2017 at 19:00 UTC. Mp3: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ssc-05oct17-en.mp3 AC recording: https://participate.icann.org/p8sjj26931a/<https://participate.icann.org/p8sjj26931a/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=896f95e112d5b2ad970b1707c78a92e32c31a519668cb24ab5f98f198fe83a56> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=GKYf-Wq0qgvU_qDKVbxZRJcxssoE_mgff7jYwZcsCJM&s=qp7-bAWUlAltEUYIP7zleCFjfAoaHY0ATsB3v2YDZ8M&e=> Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ssc/ Agenda Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/dolEB Attendees: Maxim Alzoba Susan Kawaguchi Lori Schulman Frederic Guillemaut Tony Holmes Apologies: Renata Aquino Ribeiro Rafik Dammak Emily Barabas (staff) ICANN staff: Marika Konings Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for 5 October 2017 Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the GNSO Standing Selection Committee meeting on Thursday, 5 October 2017 at 19:00 UTC. Nathalie Peregrine:Agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_d... Guillemaut frederic:good evening ! Maxim Alzoba:Hello All Susan Kawaguchi:Hello! Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome all! Lori Schulman:I dont hear anything Nathalie Peregrine:Coulc you hear me, Lori? Lori Schulman:now I hear you Nathalie Peregrine:Lori, I have had hard muted you as your microphone was open and causing background noise Maxim Alzoba:Carlos Maxim Alzoba:was the replacement Lori Schulman:my headset is not working. I am logging out and back in to engage headset Nathalie Peregrine:Lori, if you provide a phone number, we can dial out to you, if you would rather. Lori Schulman:I am in Lori Schulman:But now can hear. Yes, Please dial out to +1-917-364-1465 Lori Schulman:I mean I can't hear. Lori Schulman:Please dial out. +1-917-364-1465 Nathalie Peregrine:dialing out to you now Maxim Alzoba:as I understand we have majority of numbers in favour of Julf Marika Konings:FYI, only 2 SSC members did not fill out the survey (Carlos - replacement and Poncelet) Maxim Alzoba:Q9 - also he is the candidate with support of 3 SGs Guillemaut frederic:+ Guillemaut frederic:+1 Maxim Alzoba:Could we send an e-mail to Poncelet and Carlos to ask if they disaree with the results? Maxim Alzoba:I hear Lori Marika Konings:Julf was also endorsed by the NCSG Maxim Alzoba:With NCSG it is 4 Marika Konings:NCSG endorsed two candidates: Paul and Julf Maxim Alzoba:as I understand qualifications required experience and devotion (in matter of time and participation) Marika Konings:as a reminder the qualifications and expertise criteria were developed jointly by the GNSO and the GAC Lori Schulman:Same here. IPC leadership has given me instructions Tony Holmes:No candidates came to the ISPCP - of course we know Osvaldo very well as one of ours, and most of us know Jolf well Lori Schulman:If not Paul then IPC supports Osvaldo Lori Schulman:IPC has ranked the candidates Marika Konings:note that the SSC is expected to reach full consensus on its decision Marika Konings:(although I am not clear whether Lori is objecting to the lead candidate or whether she is just expressing her preference?) Guillemaut frederic:RrSG also chose Julf Lori Schulman:I am objecting to Julf Lori Schulman:on behalf of IPC Tony Holmes:I beleive this role is too important for fresh blood unless they are very well ranked against the agreed criteria Maxim Alzoba:he will have to start from the very beginning without learning curve Maxim Alzoba:RySG opinion took into account opinion of RySG GNSO Council (and their experience) Maxim Alzoba:* reps Tony Holmes:thats the point- fresh blood to the Council and this role is about Council - GAC relationships and requires that experience Marika Konings:Do note that one of the requirements (as jointly agreed by the GNSO and GAC) is: "Significant experience in and knowledge of the GNSO policy development process as well as of recent and current policy work under discussion and / or review in the GNSO" Tony Holmes:I agree with Lori's sentiments regarding other appointments Maxim Alzoba:Do we know in which PDPs Paul participated, beyond the mentioned one? Marika Konings:I believe he only participated in the CCWG, not a PDP? Marika Konings:It may also be helpful to remind everyone of the main objective of this role: The GNSO liaison to the GAC (hereafter “the Liaison”) will be primarily responsible for providing timely updates to the GAC on GNSO policy development activities in order to complement the existing notification processes as well answering questions in relation to these (GNSO) activities that GAC members may have. Furthermore, the Liaison will be responsible for providing the GNSO Council with regular updates on progress, including on GAC activities, specifically in so far as these relate to issues of interest to the GNSO. The objective of the liaison mechanism, in combination with some of the other mechanisms that the CG is exploring, as well as existing early engagement tools, will be to facilitate effective early engagement of the GAC as well as generally assist with flow of information between the GAC and the GNSO. In addition to these existing engagement tools, regular co-ordination calls are to be scheduled between the GNSO Marika Konings:Liaison to the GAC and the GAC Secretariat to ascertain that all the relevant information has been received by the GAC and progress is being made, following which a regular status update is provided by the Liaison to the GNSO Council. Marika Konings:sorry, it got cut. If it is helpful I can put up the call for volunteers and criteria. Maxim Alzoba:Can we recommend to have apprentice like position? Maxim Alzoba:so the second in like can replace the first one? Maxim Alzoba:in case he is ill or something? Lori Schulman:Thank you for the context. Marika Konings:that is not something that is currently foreseen Tony Holmes:I would caution against an 'apprentice' approach - that suggests later election for that post Maxim Alzoba:I'm just thinking Maxim Alzoba:this idea is not discussed with RySG, it is my own idea Tony Holmes:In this election we have 3 very good candidates which makes the choice difficult Nathalie Peregrine:Marika is experiencing connectivity issues (electricity cut) but is still following on the audio bridge. Susan Kawaguchi:Thanks for letting us know Nathalie Lori Schulman:old hand Lori Schulman:i am on mute. seeking counsel from IPC Leaders re: consensus driven decision Lori Schulman:I will say that there is strong sentiment that Paul or Osvaldo would be stronger choice. Maxim Alzoba:I think we need to ask them via e-mail to vote (so we have two voters more)? Lori Schulman:NPOC I think Maxim Alzoba:in SOI it is NPOC Maxim Alzoba:Are we suggested to come back to our SGs for additional guidance? Lori Schulman:Is the IPC the only one with a "no" vote? Maxim Alzoba:I think we need those two voters Lori Schulman:I see that there is no path to consensus for Paul. Is there one for Osvaldo? Lori Schulman:Julf is also coming off council. Lori Schulman:Is Osvaldo still on? Lori Schulman:I don't remember. Nathalie Peregrine:16 October Motions and Documents Due for GNSO Council Meeting at ICANN Public Meeting Abu Dhabi Tony Holmes:If you are asking is Osvaldo still interested - then yes Maxim Alzoba:we need two votes more for proper reviwe Maxim Alzoba:review Lori Schulman:if all on the call vote now and reach consensus are done or do we still need 2 votes? Maxim Alzoba:another option is to ask their support/denial of the current results Maxim Alzoba:I have time Maxim Alzoba:and Poncelet Tony Holmes:No objection Maxim Alzoba:as I understand it is a position of a well experienced messenger who can speek both GNSO and GAC languages to ensure "translation" Tony Holmes:We should also express the view that we were thankful to have 3 very good candidates - can we include that recognition in the motion? Nathalie Peregrine:Please remember to state your names before speaking Nathalie Peregrine:thanks! Lori Schulman:Ok. IPC support the rankings and do not object to Julf and we are very pleased that our concerns are noted and will be considered for future positions. Julf is qualified. We are ok with the outcome. Guillemaut frederic:Thank you Lori Tony Holmes:Well chaired Susan - thanks Guillemaut frederic:Consensus ;-) Tony Holmes:agree Monday latest Maxim Alzoba:Monday 23.59 US time? Marika Konings:what is that in UTC? ;-) Maxim Alzoba:it is the latest bit of monday ... if we are not talking about Hawaii] Tony Holmes:depends which US time :-) Maxim Alzoba:coast closest to Hawaii Maxim Alzoba:LA time Lori Schulman:I think we should have talked to the candidates. Lori Schulman:the position is that important Maxim Alzoba:it was good discussion Tony Holmes:good point Lori Guillemaut frederic:interviews next time ? Lori Schulman:yes, I think certain positions merit interviews Lori Schulman:this one does Maxim Alzoba:and talking to candidates we needed that at least once in the past, and most probably this time Guillemaut frederic:we should add that to the charter ! Tony Holmes:thanks all Lori Schulman:ciao Maxim Alzoba:bye all ________________________________
