Dear all, Please find below the mp3, attendance, Adobe Connect recording and chat for the GNSO Standing Selection Committee held on 06 September 2017 at 18:00 UTC. Mp3: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ssc-06sep17-en.mp3[mailer.samanage.com] AC recording: https://participate.icann.org/p9d3nuimvti/ The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ssc/ Agenda Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/3hghB Attendees: Maxim Alzoba Julf Helsingius Susan Kawaguchi Osvaldo Novoa Lori Schulman Renata Aquino Ribeiro Apologies: Frederic Guillemaut Poncelet Illelji Rafik Dammak ICANN staff: Marika Konings Emily Barabas Michelle DeSmyter ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Thank you. Kind regards, Michelle ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for 06 September 2017 Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the GNSO Standing Selection Committee meeting on Wednesday, 06 September 2017 at 18:00 UTC. Michelle DeSmyter:Agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_3... Susan Kawaguchi:do you mind dialing out to me ? 408 655 6111 Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):Hello All Michelle DeSmyter:I will send another reminder Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):good Renata Aquino Ribeiro:Hi just muted my mic Renata Aquino Ribeiro:not sure if there was audio from me Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):Lori was going to drop RPM calltoo for this one Emily Barabas:This was the best slot per the doodle poll :( Renata Aquino Ribeiro:but I'll be here and test it again if needed Renata Aquino Ribeiro:ah purple better Renata Aquino Ribeiro:Yes me too Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):it is 30 minutes of that left Renata Aquino Ribeiro:cool Marika Konings:yes we do Renata Aquino Ribeiro:we record them but release if it is asked only right? Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):Q1 was well formed I assume :) Marika Konings:the recordings are publicly posted, unless you decide differently Renata Aquino Ribeiro:tks Marika Michelle DeSmyter:Welcome Lori! Emily Barabas:@Maxim, you can ignore Q1. That was just so we could track who had responded :) Lori Schulman:Hi Lori Schulman:was on RPM call which runs to 2:30 today. sigh.. Renata Aquino Ribeiro:minor one to: I am now the mentor of the Global Indigenous Program - ALAC program Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):RySG made another call for GAC Liasion application Marika Konings:@Renate - the charter notes the following: Unless otherwise directed by the GNSO Council, the names of all applicants and all documentsreceived during the selection process shall be considered public and published on the GNSO web-siteor other ICANN web-site. To facilitate its deliberations, the SSC may decide to conduct some or all ofits deliberations in private, but if so, it is expected to provide a rationale with its recommendations. Emily Barabas:https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-87RXWCMK8/ Julf Helsingius:The web page is pretty good Renata Aquino Ribeiro:Marika thanks noted Michelle DeSmyter:Welcome Osvaldo Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):I meant RySG asked members to consider sending an application Emily Barabas:if it is easier to view on the site Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all, sorry I am late. Julf Helsingius:I agree, top 3 or 4 is pretty clear Susan Kawaguchi:Welcome Osvaldo Lori Schulman:Can someone remind me of how many candidates that we will endorse? Renata Aquino Ribeiro:agree top 4 is pretty clear Emily Barabas:3 primary candidates, up to 7 total Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):CPH, RySG and RrSG collectively supported Brian Cute and Stephane Van Gelding (in this particular order) - it is about GNSO support Emily Barabas:If you scroll to the bottom of the agenda, you can see each candidate listed with affiliation Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):@Emily - it is official endorsement of SGs Emily Barabas:it doesn't indicate endorsement, just membership of SG/Cs Julf Helsingius:So I guess top 3 is clear, the question is who we *don't* recommend as additionals Julf Helsingius:We have to drop 2, yes Marika Konings:You do not need to endorse all Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):what is the final order of candidates - given the poll results Lori Schulman:Agree with Julf. I would nominate top 3-4 and maybe 2 more for diversity. Marika Konings:you have the option to, but you are expected to ensure that whoever you put forward meet the requirements for GNSO endorsement Osvaldo Novoa:I lost my audio, I am disconnecting and connecting again Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):I think we need to start from readiness to fill roles and then we make choice based on diversity Osvaldo Novoa:Back again, sorry Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):I support 7 Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):seats request Renata Aquino Ribeiro:7 Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):Do we have an order derived from the poll? Julf Helsingius:7 in total? Marika Konings:@Maxim, if you look at the ranking for the last two questions the ranking is consistent Marika Konings:but you may also want to factor in the responses to the other two questions Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):is there a URL for this PDF? Emily Barabas:https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-87RXWCMK8 Julf Helsingius:i actually applied a bit of gender balancing in my own evaluation Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):What is the current composition if any - so we need to know what should be balanced this time Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):? Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):+1 for fresh blood to add to numbers of those who understand ICANNeze Marika Konings:@Maxim - what are you referring to with regards to 'current composition'? Julf Helsingius:The questionnaire also had the bias that "don't know" and "no" are pretty much the same Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):+1 Julf Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):@Marika, I meant other seats - do we know who is going to be there? Lori Schulman:Agree with Julf about survey questions Marika Konings:It looks like only RSSAC has endorsed a candidate so far: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_6... Julf Helsingius:So people we don't know automatically get low ratings Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):@Julf, is this position ment to be for total newcomers? I was under impression that it was actually the call for veterans Marika Konings:@Julf - but their application information is expected to provide sufficient information so that people can say 'yes' or 'no' (in an ideal world :-) Julf Helsingius:Maxim: sure - we mostly want veterans. But maybe one or two fresh views? Marika Konings:If someone is asking for GNSO endorsement, you might expect that they would explain why they are ideally suited to represent the GNSO? Julf Helsingius:Marika: true Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):+1 Julf, but not at cost of veterans suitable Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):@Marika, RySG and RrSG expressed their support - does it count as GNSO endorsement? Marika Konings:No, GNSO endorsement is the result of a Council vote (following the SSC recommendations) Maxim Alzoba(FAITID)::) Julf Helsingius:ouch! Renata Aquino Ribeiro:oops lowered the hand Renata Aquino Ribeiro:tatiana to top3 Julf Helsingius:Dropping Stephane? Renata Aquino Ribeiro:so we send 5 males / 2 females but stephane on 4 Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):??? Julf Helsingius:And we haev a really bad track record with regional balance Marika Konings:Note that both Brian and Stephane as well as Wolfgang and Tatiana are from the same SG (RySG and NCSG respectively) Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):Do we have a particular reason to drop the candidate supported by both RrSG and RySG? Renata Aquino Ribeiro:we can send 7 right? Renata Aquino Ribeiro:it is up to GNSO to consider right? Julf Helsingius:7, but 3 primary, right? Marika Konings:correct Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):professional experience was number 1 Marika Konings:SO/AC chairs may consider alternates to ensure sufficient diversity in the overall slate Renata Aquino Ribeiro:yes I thin of the 1/3 women who applied we should send 1 Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):was it? Julf Helsingius:Do we want to punt and leave the "3 out of 4" to the council? Marika Konings:I don't think the Council would be happy to make that decision ;-) Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):Brian and Stephane (in case we have 3 - than Brian) Renata Aquino Ribeiro:brian and stephane Renata Aquino Ribeiro:are the supported Lori Schulman:I would not "punt" Renata Aquino Ribeiro:we have asked for the inclusion of a 4th before Julf Helsingius:I interpreted Renata's suggestion to be basically punting Marika Konings:@Renate - and that was not easy to get agreement on that as it is dependent on the agreement of the other SO/AC Chairs Julf Helsingius:he won't be able to do that too often Marika Konings:they may not be willing to do that a second time (and for RDS there is a clear case to make that it is GNSO centric) Renata Aquino Ribeiro:so just for clarification we are not sending the 7? Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):back Julf Helsingius:We are possibly sneding 7, but with a top 3 Lori Schulman:wasn't the 7 optional? Osvaldo Novoa:I support the top three that resulted from the poll. Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):+1 for sending 7, and ranking top 3 Marika Konings:You may send 7 names to the GNSO for endorsement, but only 3 get a guaranteed seat, the other 4 may be considered by the SO/AC Chairs for a place, but only if there are places available and there is a concern about diversity Julf Helsingius:we need 3, plus possibly up to 4 more Lori Schulman:I don't have a big issue with sending 7 but think that leaving 2 Asian applicants out looks a bit weird Marika Konings:and yes, up to 4 alternates, no requirement though Lori Schulman:but as long as we can justify it, we can do what we think is best Renata Aquino Ribeiro:ok I would ask then we send the 7, send the top 3 and note for GNSO that there was a minority of women applications and gender balance was a considerable challenge Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):not sure up to the top of 3 Renata Aquino Ribeiro:and ask for the 4th Lori Schulman:agree with Renata Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):according to the poll? Julf Helsingius:Renata's suggestion makes sense Osvaldo Novoa:Agree to asking for the 4th, but in the order of the poll Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):I think we need to understand the order of 7 and then we see top 3 Julf Helsingius:I am against asking for 4, but support pointing out diversity issue Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):I am not sure 4th candidate is going to be supported at all Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):on GSNO Council level Julf Helsingius:So propose 3 + 4, and express diversity concerns Renata Aquino Ribeiro:RSSAC appointment is also male Osvaldo Novoa:I support Julf's proposal Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):could we suggest that top 3 have great score difference with others and due to diversity concerns we suggest 4th (and well formed justification) Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):I meant to report that top 3 have way more points then other candidates Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):but we'd like to have another seat considered Julf Helsingius:I am against asking for extra seat Renata Aquino Ribeiro:The top 4 are balanced RySG/ NCSG Lori Schulman:I say choose 7 and then rank Marika Konings:maybe the question is whether NCSG would consider flipping their candidates for diversity? (in the top 4) Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):+1 Lori Renata Aquino Ribeiro:and as for regional diversity, Tatiana is Russian but she's in EU right now, does that count? Renata Aquino Ribeiro:I saw RSSAC is Asian region? Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):according to her CV she spent many years outside of Russia Lori Schulman:Not sure Renata Aquino Ribeiro:agree on sending top 7, highlighting top 3 and asking for a 4th for diversity Julf Helsingius:A bunch of asian representatives are born elsewhere too. Lori Schulman:Julien had excellent credentials for analytical work Lori Schulman:this is tougher than I thought Renata Aquino Ribeiro:I would flip only 3rd w/ 4th for diversity, not the 2nd Lori Schulman:practically, we should cut last 2 and than rank Lori Schulman:then rand Lori Schulman:sorry for typos Marika Konings:It looks like it is either two RySG or two NCSG in the top 3 Osvaldo Novoa:I don't support modifying the order of the poll. Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):I think we were meant to have balance within the particular team and not with others Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):ok Julf Helsingius:Yes, I would support that Renata Aquino Ribeiro:Julf, about the Asian representatives being born elsewhere, I understand that allocation to a region has domicile or work address, so that's the question - one may study in EU but still have their house in Asia or elsewhere Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):I think it was related to working place Julf Helsingius:Renata: according to that criteria Tatiana is EU, right? Renata Aquino Ribeiro:ok Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):according to AGB Russia was EU Renata Aquino Ribeiro:i am answering ok rank according to the poll Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):+1 for rank from the voting page 9-10 Marika Konings:Correct, Tatiana is listed as European (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_6...) Renata Aquino Ribeiro:I am wondering if we are trying the 4th or not? Renata Aquino Ribeiro:i think expressing it would be goot Julf Helsingius:Express concern, but not ask for it Renata Aquino Ribeiro:good Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):if we ask for 4 then definitely 7 will not work Renata Aquino Ribeiro:and highlighting that mroe women should volunteer for wgs Julf Helsingius:yes Marika Konings:I think we have included that as well in one of the previous motions Renata Aquino Ribeiro:yes definitely they should encourage women to apply Renata Aquino Ribeiro:can we say the proportion? Renata Aquino Ribeiro:that out of 9, only 3 were women? Marika Konings:Staff can also prepare a draft motion for your review Renata Aquino Ribeiro:tks that's good for me Marika Konings:note that the deadline for motions is coming up shortly (10 September) Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):P.s: and it would be great to have at least one candidate for GAC liasion Marika Konings:so we may need to submit a placeholder if more time is needed to finalise and/or get everyone's input Marika Konings:Deadline for applications is 8 September Marika Konings:None submitted so far (as I am aware) Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):I asked RySG to repeat request for volunteers on the RySG call today Julf Helsingius:I might have to recuse myself Renata Aquino Ribeiro:question: was there ever a gac liason non ex-council? Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):@Julf, I think you are going to be well supported Osvaldo Novoa:I am considering presenting my application. Should I abandon this call? Julf Helsingius:Same question as Osvaldo Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):If both Osvaldo and Julf want to apply for we need to say when to drop the call Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):actually I think that 2 candidates is way better that 1 (at least twice) Renata Aquino Ribeiro:well i'll just apply then too, for gender balance :) Julf Helsingius:Well, we can't apply, it is up to constitutiencies... Marika Konings:do note that candidates need to be put forward by a SG/C - not individual applications. Renata Aquino Ribeiro:thanks Marika Renata Aquino Ribeiro:I was actually not serious :) I've seen that women are less than a 1/3 :D Renata Aquino Ribeiro:tks Susan Marika Konings:yes, several reminders have gone out Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):Do we know if the SG has to support only it's members? Emily Barabas:SO/AC support sent out a reminder last week Julf Helsingius:I have my usual issue of NCA's not being a constituency Julf Helsingius:Who is my leadership team? :) Osvaldo Novoa:I received the announcement last week from my constituency Marika Konings:@Julf - didn't you just share that you joined a constituency?? ;-) Julf Helsingius:Well, yes, gues so Julf Helsingius:I will Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):I have a question Renata Aquino Ribeiro:yes Julf, c'mon Marika Konings:No, they can put forward anyone they want to support Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):ok Marika Konings:no requirement for SG/C affiliation Renata Aquino Ribeiro:? Julf Helsingius:I didn't hear that :) Renata Aquino Ribeiro:i am not understanding Marika Konings:but it could be a requirement that SG/Cs could apply themselves, but it is definitely not restricted in that way in the call for applications Renata Aquino Ribeiro:ok clear susan Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):@Renata, It was about the persons having support from SG/C even if they are not members of that particular SG/C Renata Aquino Ribeiro:ah ok Maxim... tks Emily Barabas:Do we want to use the same time slot on the 13th? Lori Schulman:It conflicts with RPM becasue RPM has been extended by 30 mins Julf Helsingius:Ok with me Lori Schulman:can we start 1/2 hour later? Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):doodle for the next poll is always a good idea .. this time I lost last 30 minutes of RPM Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):too Julf Helsingius:have WS2 transparency immediately afterwards, but can excuse myself Renata Aquino Ribeiro:i'd aks for a doodle, lacnic and so many things coming up Emily Barabas:Doodle? Julf Helsingius:way too many Emily Barabas:Sure :) Marika Konings:good point Renate - we may need some alternates for those that may apply from the SSC Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):As I understood the person applying is going to visit all GAC meetings Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):need sot Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):to Marika Konings:other work is a review of the SSC charter - staff will be preparing some materials in that regard Julf Helsingius:right Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):Do we have a chance to invite Carlos to ask his opinion of the candidate qualifications / time scheduling e.t.c.? Marika Konings:so that you can focus on that after the GNSO Liaison to the GAC Emily Barabas:And perhaps also discussion of the Standard Process document Renata Aquino Ribeiro:ok tks for the replies Renata Aquino Ribeiro:Thanks! Julf Helsingius:Thanks! Lori Schulman:thanks susan Lori Schulman:ciao Osvaldo Novoa:Bye , thank you Maxim Alzoba(FAITID):1 am