CCNSO IDNC WG IDN Topic List on Introduction of ccTLD under fast-track
On December 14, 2007, CCNSO published the IDNC working group charter http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/idnc-charter.htm. A "Topic list for Initial Report on introduction IDN ccTLD under fast track" was circulated in the working group list at the same time. The scope of the IDNC WG is limited to developing feasible methods (for the introduction of a limited number of IDN ccTLDs) that do not pre-empt the outcomes of the IDN ccPDP. A list of topics is drafted to form the structure of discussion on the mechanisms of fast-track implementation. Comment and input are sought on the relevance of the topics listed and whether there are additional topics. *Comments need to be received by 16 January*. So far, comments on the chair of the working group, working process and nature of fast track approach have been sent to the list. The comments may be on 2 specific mechanisms: 1. A mechanism for the selection of the IDN ccTLD string; Topics: o What are the requirements regarding the status of the script/language in the territory to be used in the IDN ccTLD string? o Is there a limit to the number of scripts per territory to be used as an IDN ccTLD under the fast track approach? Should it be limited to one (1) per territory or some other number? o Who should be able to propose a string for the territory? o Who is required to endorse a string once proposed? o What are the criteria for such a string to be acceptable under the fast track (for example: meaningful representation in a selected script of the name of the territory or recognized abbreviation as listed on ISO 3166 -1) o Will a proposed string be 'evaluated' against criteria? If so, who will the 'evaluator' be and who will appoint them? o Assuming a string and script are selected in accordance with proposed criteria, should there be an objection procedure? If so, who should be eligible to object? On what grounds? What is the impact of an objection (for example non-eligibility under fast track)? 2. A mechanism to designate an IDN ccTLD manager Topics: o Should any criteria specific to IDNs be taken into consideration for the designation of an IDN ccTLD manager? o Are there any specific requirements regarding the technical and operational readiness of the eligible IDN ccTLD manager? o Should there be a proven track record for running a TLD operationally? o Should the eligible entity have experience (operationally or experimentally) with running IDN in the relevant script at the second and /or higher levels? o Should adherence to the IDNA protocol and related requirements be ensured? How should this be ensured? o Is the registration policy of the IDN ccTLD relevant in relation to the IDNA protocols and related requirements? If so how is adherence to such required policy ensured? I'm strongly suggesting the new ALAC IDN WG under the new leadership to submit the comments on this important matter. The most imminent and serious concern is the relationship between the fast-track and long-term approach. The dilemma is that an oversimplified procedure will not produce a sustainable solution while a complicated procedure will not be fast! It's been painfully felt the lack of overall coordination between IDN gTLDs and IDN ccTLDs. It would be essential to avoid the problem in ccTLD name space. Hong
I cannot find a list where the existing comments are published. Can you forward them to the list, or perhaps, can you forward me a link to the WG list? I'd like to take account of the other comments while I draft some thoughts of my own. Bret On Jan 8, 2008, at 6:38 AM, Hong Xue wrote:
Comments need to be received by 16 January. So far, comments on the chair of the working group, working process and nature of fast track approach have been sent to the list.
I trust the new chair of the WG will do. On 1/9/08, Bret Fausett <bfausett@internet.law.pro> wrote:
I cannot find a list where the existing comments are published. Can you forward them to the list, or perhaps, can you forward me a link to the WG list? I'd like to take account of the other comments while I draft some thoughts of my own.
Bret
On Jan 8, 2008, at 6:38 AM, Hong Xue wrote:
Comments need to be received by 16 January. So far, comments on the chair of the working group, working process and nature of fast track approach have been sent to the list.
Hi all, I have accepted to be the IDN WG chair but I as a new ALAC member, I need time to learn and master all the related issues, which I am doing. Yesterday, I sent an email to Hong and Mohamed for advise and support. In French speaking countries, when a position is suddenly replaced, there is what we call "passation de service" from the former to the new chair for a smooth transition. If that is not the case here I will take any support from who ever among the ALAC community is able and willing to help. Bret, this is to tell you that the only call for public comments I saw is about "Introduction of IDN ccTLD", open on December 19th to be closed on January 25th. Thank you all and best, Fatimata On 1/9/08, Hong Xue <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
I trust the new chair of the WG will do.
On 1/9/08, Bret Fausett <bfausett@internet.law.pro> wrote:
I cannot find a list where the existing comments are published. Can you forward them to the list, or perhaps, can you forward me a link to the WG list? I'd like to take account of the other comments while I draft some thoughts of my own.
Bret
On Jan 8, 2008, at 6:38 AM, Hong Xue wrote:
Comments need to be received by 16 January. So far, comments on the chair of the working group, working process and nature of fast track approach have been sent to the list.
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla Presidente Bokk Jang Bokk Jeff Coordonnatrice ACSIS - Senegal BP : 22336 Dakar Senegal Tel : 221 33 864 4284 / 1301 552 8282 / 1 301 941 1288 email : fsylla@gmail.com fsylla@orange.sn
Dear Fatimata: I am happy to arrange time with relevant ICANN staff to help brief you and indeed the WG members too if that would be helpful - though in truth Hong is so knowledgeable she is as per usual somewhat irreplaceable in this role :) On 9 Jan 2008, at 18:16, Fatimata Seye Sylla wrote:
Hi all,
I have accepted to be the IDN WG chair but I as a new ALAC member, I need time to learn and master all the related issues, which I am doing. Yesterday, I sent an email to Hong and Mohamed for advise and support. In French speaking countries, when a position is suddenly replaced, there is what we call "passation de service" from the former to the new chair for a smooth transition. If that is not the case here I will take any support from who ever among the ALAC community is able and willing to help.
Bret, this is to tell you that the only call for public comments I saw is about "Introduction of IDN ccTLD", open on December 19th to be closed on January 25th.
Thank you all and best, Fatimata
On 1/9/08, Hong Xue <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
I trust the new chair of the WG will do.
On 1/9/08, Bret Fausett <bfausett@internet.law.pro > wrote: I cannot find a list where the existing comments are published. Can you forward them to the list, or perhaps, can you forward me a link to the WG list? I'd like to take account of the other comments while I draft some thoughts of my own.
Bret
On Jan 8, 2008, at 6:38 AM, Hong Xue wrote:
Comments need to be received by 16 January. So far, comments on the chair of the working group, working process and nature of fast track approach have been sent to the list.
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla Presidente Bokk Jang Bokk Jeff Coordonnatrice ACSIS - Senegal BP : 22336 Dakar Senegal Tel : 221 33 864 4284 / 1301 552 8282 / 1 301 941 1288 email : fsylla@gmail.com fsylla@orange.sn _______________________________________________ IDN-WG mailing list IDN-WG@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/idn-wg_atlarge-lists.icann.o...
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Dear Nick, Thank you for this offer, that will be very helpful. Best, Fatimata On 1/9/08, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Fatimata: I am happy to arrange time with relevant ICANN staff to help brief you and indeed the WG members too if that would be helpful - though in truth Hong is so knowledgeable she is as per usual somewhat irreplaceable in this role :)
On 9 Jan 2008, at 18:16, Fatimata Seye Sylla wrote:
Hi all,
I have accepted to be the IDN WG chair but I as a new ALAC member, I need time to learn and master all the related issues, which I am doing. Yesterday, I sent an email to Hong and Mohamed for advise and support. In French speaking countries, when a position is suddenly replaced, there is what we call "passation de service" from the former to the new chair for a smooth transition. If that is not the case here I will take any support from who ever among the ALAC community is able and willing to help.
Bret, this is to tell you that the only call for public comments I saw is about "Introduction of IDN ccTLD", open on December 19th to be closed on January 25th.
Thank you all and best, Fatimata
On 1/9/08, Hong Xue < hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
I trust the new chair of the WG will do.
On 1/9/08, Bret Fausett < bfausett@internet.law.pro > wrote:
I cannot find a list where the existing comments are published. Can you forward them to the list, or perhaps, can you forward me a link to
the WG list? I'd like to take account of the other comments while I draft some thoughts of my own.
Bret
On Jan 8, 2008, at 6:38 AM, Hong Xue wrote:
Comments need to be received by 16 January. So far, comments on the chair of the working group, working process and nature of fast track approach have been sent to the list.
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla Presidente Bokk Jang Bokk Jeff Coordonnatrice ACSIS - Senegal BP : 22336 Dakar Senegal Tel : 221 33 864 4284 / 1301 552 8282 / 1 301 941 1288 email : fsylla@gmail.com fsylla@orange.sn_______________________________________________ IDN-WG mailing list IDN-WG@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/idn-wg_atlarge-lists.icann.o...
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-- Fatimata Seye Sylla Presidente Bokk Jang Bokk Jeff Coordonnatrice ACSIS - Senegal BP : 22336 Dakar Senegal Tel : 221 33 864 4284 / 1301 552 8282 / 1 301 941 1288 email : fsylla@gmail.com fsylla@orange.sn
If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion, perhaps a briefing for the WG, recorded for review by others, could: 1) Go over the current state of affairs policy-wise - what's upcoming that needs work at present, what's upcoming soon; 2) Go over the state of technical development - testing round, any outcomes from that, next steps, development of technical standards required (email, etc). 3) Discuss the fast-track proposals, and the issues which have been brought up in relation to them. Would this suit the WG members, and help you Fatimata - obviously please do let me know if there is something else that would be more useful. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart On 9 Jan 2008, at 18:49, Fatimata Seye Sylla wrote:
Dear Nick,
Thank you for this offer, that will be very helpful.
Best, Fatimata
On 1/9/08, Nick Ashton-Hart < nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> wrote: Dear Fatimata:
I am happy to arrange time with relevant ICANN staff to help brief you and indeed the WG members too if that would be helpful - though in truth Hong is so knowledgeable she is as per usual somewhat irreplaceable in this role :)
On 9 Jan 2008, at 18:16, Fatimata Seye Sylla wrote:
Hi all,
I have accepted to be the IDN WG chair but I as a new ALAC member, I need time to learn and master all the related issues, which I am doing. Yesterday, I sent an email to Hong and Mohamed for advise and support. In French speaking countries, when a position is suddenly replaced, there is what we call "passation de service" from the former to the new chair for a smooth transition. If that is not the case here I will take any support from who ever among the ALAC community is able and willing to help.
Bret, this is to tell you that the only call for public comments I saw is about "Introduction of IDN ccTLD", open on December 19th to be closed on January 25th.
Thank you all and best, Fatimata
On 1/9/08, Hong Xue < hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
I trust the new chair of the WG will do.
On 1/9/08, Bret Fausett < bfausett@internet.law.pro > wrote: I cannot find a list where the existing comments are published. Can you forward them to the list, or perhaps, can you forward me a link to the WG list? I'd like to take account of the other comments while I draft some thoughts of my own.
Bret
On Jan 8, 2008, at 6:38 AM, Hong Xue wrote:
Comments need to be received by 16 January. So far, comments on the chair of the working group, working process and nature of fast track approach have been sent to the list.
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla Presidente Bokk Jang Bokk Jeff Coordonnatrice ACSIS - Senegal BP : 22336 Dakar Senegal Tel : 221 33 864 4284 / 1301 552 8282 / 1 301 941 1288 email : fsylla@gmail.com fsylla@orange.sn _______________________________________________ IDN-WG mailing list IDN-WG@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/idn-wg_atlarge-lists.icann.o...
IDN WG Wiki: https://st.icann.org/idn-policy/index.cgi?at_large_idn_policy
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla Presidente Bokk Jang Bokk Jeff Coordonnatrice ACSIS - Senegal BP : 22336 Dakar Senegal Tel : 221 33 864 4284 / 1301 552 8282 / 1 301 941 1288 email : fsylla@gmail.com fsylla@orange.sn
Thank you again Nick for your efforts. This is sure helpful but it is also time consuming as we are all committed in every day work (paid work). It will be difficult to devote hours in a short period of time to master all the issues and for example provide comments for January 16th. It would be very much helpful to have a short briefing/abstract and go back to existing documents or ask questions when needed. Best, Fatimata On 1/9/08, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> wrote:
If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion, perhaps a briefing for the WG, recorded for review by others, could: 1) Go over the current state of affairs policy-wise - what's upcoming that needs work at present, what's upcoming soon; 2) Go over the state of technical development - testing round, any outcomes from that, next steps, development of technical standards required (email, etc). 3) Discuss the fast-track proposals, and the issues which have been brought up in relation to them.
Would this suit the WG members, and help you Fatimata - obviously please do let me know if there is something else that would be more useful. -- Regards,
Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype:nashtonhartOnline Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
On 9 Jan 2008, at 18:49, Fatimata Seye Sylla wrote:
Dear Nick,
Thank you for this offer, that will be very helpful.
Best, Fatimata
On 1/9/08, Nick Ashton-Hart < nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Fatimata: I am happy to arrange time with relevant ICANN staff to help brief you and indeed the WG members too if that would be helpful - though in truth Hong is so knowledgeable she is as per usual somewhat irreplaceable in this role :)
On 9 Jan 2008, at 18:16, Fatimata Seye Sylla wrote:
Hi all,
I have accepted to be the IDN WG chair but I as a new ALAC member, I need time to learn and master all the related issues, which I am doing. Yesterday, I sent an email to Hong and Mohamed for advise and support. In French speaking countries, when a position is suddenly replaced, there is what we call "passation de service" from the former to the new chair for a smooth transition. If that is not the case here I will take any support from who ever among the ALAC community is able and willing to help.
Bret, this is to tell you that the only call for public comments I saw is about "Introduction of IDN ccTLD", open on December 19th to be closed on January 25th.
Thank you all and best, Fatimata
On 1/9/08, Hong Xue < hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
I trust the new chair of the WG will do.
On 1/9/08, Bret Fausett < bfausett@internet.law.pro > wrote:
I cannot find a list where the existing comments are published. Can you forward them to the list, or perhaps, can you forward me a link to the WG list? I'd like to take account of the other comments while I draft some thoughts of my own.
Bret
On Jan 8, 2008, at 6:38 AM, Hong Xue wrote:
Comments need to be received by 16 January. So far, comments on the chair of the working group, working process and nature of fast track approach have been sent to the list.
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla Presidente Bokk Jang Bokk Jeff Coordonnatrice ACSIS - Senegal BP : 22336 Dakar Senegal Tel : 221 33 864 4284 / 1301 552 8282 / 1 301 941 1288 email : fsylla@gmail.com fsylla@orange.sn_______________________________________________ IDN-WG mailing list IDN-WG@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/idn-wg_atlarge-lists.icann.o...
IDN WG Wiki: https://st.icann.org/idn-policy/index.cgi?at_large_idn_policy
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla Presidente Bokk Jang Bokk Jeff Coordonnatrice ACSIS - Senegal BP : 22336 Dakar Senegal Tel : 221 33 864 4284 / 1301 552 8282 / 1 301 941 1288 email : fsylla@gmail.com fsylla@orange.sn
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla Presidente Bokk Jang Bokk Jeff Coordonnatrice ACSIS - Senegal BP : 22336 Dakar Senegal Tel : 221 33 864 4284 / 1301 552 8282 / 1 301 941 1288 email : fsylla@gmail.com fsylla@orange.sn
Happy to arrange something abbreviated - though in truth I suspect you could cover the below sufficiently as an overview in an hour or so - what do you think Hong? On 9 Jan 2008, at 19:53, Fatimata Seye Sylla wrote:
Thank you again Nick for your efforts. This is sure helpful but it is also time consuming as we are all committed in every day work (paid work). It will be difficult to devote hours in a short period of time to master all the issues and for example provide comments for January 16th. It would be very much helpful to have a short briefing/abstract and go back to existing documents or ask questions when needed.
Best, Fatimata
On 1/9/08, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> wrote: If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion, perhaps a briefing for the WG, recorded for review by others, could:
1) Go over the current state of affairs policy-wise - what's upcoming that needs work at present, what's upcoming soon; 2) Go over the state of technical development - testing round, any outcomes from that, next steps, development of technical standards required (email, etc). 3) Discuss the fast-track proposals, and the issues which have been brought up in relation to them.
Would this suit the WG members, and help you Fatimata - obviously please do let me know if there is something else that would be more useful. -- Regards,
Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
On 9 Jan 2008, at 18:49, Fatimata Seye Sylla wrote:
Dear Nick,
Thank you for this offer, that will be very helpful.
Best, Fatimata
On 1/9/08, Nick Ashton-Hart < nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> wrote: Dear Fatimata:
I am happy to arrange time with relevant ICANN staff to help brief you and indeed the WG members too if that would be helpful - though in truth Hong is so knowledgeable she is as per usual somewhat irreplaceable in this role :)
On 9 Jan 2008, at 18:16, Fatimata Seye Sylla wrote:
Hi all,
I have accepted to be the IDN WG chair but I as a new ALAC member, I need time to learn and master all the related issues, which I am doing. Yesterday, I sent an email to Hong and Mohamed for advise and support. In French speaking countries, when a position is suddenly replaced, there is what we call "passation de service" from the former to the new chair for a smooth transition. If that is not the case here I will take any support from who ever among the ALAC community is able and willing to help.
Bret, this is to tell you that the only call for public comments I saw is about "Introduction of IDN ccTLD", open on December 19th to be closed on January 25th.
Thank you all and best, Fatimata
On 1/9/08, Hong Xue < hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
I trust the new chair of the WG will do.
On 1/9/08, Bret Fausett < bfausett@internet.law.pro > wrote: I cannot find a list where the existing comments are published. Can you forward them to the list, or perhaps, can you forward me a link to the WG list? I'd like to take account of the other comments while I draft some thoughts of my own.
Bret
On Jan 8, 2008, at 6:38 AM, Hong Xue wrote:
Comments need to be received by 16 January. So far, comments on the chair of the working group, working process and nature of fast track approach have been sent to the list.
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla Presidente Bokk Jang Bokk Jeff Coordonnatrice ACSIS - Senegal BP : 22336 Dakar Senegal Tel : 221 33 864 4284 / 1301 552 8282 / 1 301 941 1288 email : fsylla@gmail.com fsylla@orange.sn _______________________________________________ IDN-WG mailing list IDN-WG@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/idn-wg_atlarge-lists.icann.o...
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-- Fatimata Seye Sylla Presidente Bokk Jang Bokk Jeff Coordonnatrice ACSIS - Senegal BP : 22336 Dakar Senegal Tel : 221 33 864 4284 / 1301 552 8282 / 1 301 941 1288 email : fsylla@gmail.com fsylla@orange.sn
-- Fatimata Seye Sylla Presidente Bokk Jang Bokk Jeff Coordonnatrice ACSIS - Senegal BP : 22336 Dakar Senegal Tel : 221 33 864 4284 / 1301 552 8282 / 1 301 941 1288 email : fsylla@gmail.com fsylla@orange.sn
Thanks, Nick. A briefing would be very helpful. In the short term though, I simply need pointers to the materials that Hong referenced. If the current submissions on the questions posted are published somewhere, where are they published? Hong says the email address for the WG is ccnso-idncctld@icann.org, but I can't seem to find the registration page or the archives of that list. Can you share that? If the list archives are not public, could someone who is currently subscribed (Hong or Fatimata or Cheryl?) pass the current submissions to this list so I can read them? Many thanks, Bret
Dear Bret, i don't think the ccNSO-GAC IDNC have a publish archive of its mailing list. The scope of the WG is limited to developing feasible methods (for the introduction of a limited number of IDN ccTLDs), a topics list document has been produced and sent to the list, the aim of the document is to produce a list of topics that will need to be considered in developing the methods of implementing IDN ccTLDs using fast track approach. am a member of IDNC as Sudan ISOC is .SD Registry manager "Sudan TLD", so am participating on the IDNC based on our ccNSO membership. Can Sheryl and Hong as ALAC representatives in the IDNC forward the documents presented for comments/feedback to the ALAC IDN WG, inorder that ALAC IDN WG to discuss the issues and provide ALAC comments which will be presented to the IDNC by our representatives. Regards, Mohd. El Bashir Bret Fausett wrote:
Thanks, Nick. A briefing would be very helpful. In the short term though, I simply need pointers to the materials that Hong referenced. If the current submissions on the questions posted are published somewhere, where are they published?
Hong says the email address for the WG is ccnso-idncctld@icann.org <mailto:ccnso-idncctld@icann.org>, but I can't seem to find the registration page or the archives of that list. Can you share that?
If the list archives are not public, could someone who is currently subscribed (Hong or Fatimata or Cheryl?) pass the current submissions to this list so I can read them?
Many thanks,
Bret
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Brett, there are no current submissions listed anywhere in response to the topics/questions... The following missive is supplied to you all to hopefully clarify a few points regarding what the ALAC IDN-WG and the IDNC-WG need as input on the matters of fast track IDNs and IDN ccTLDs by who and when, as there appears to be some minor confusion. In relation to comments from the Internet User Community regarding the introduction of IDNs, there are in fact two parallel areas ALAC and its IDN-WG are soliciting input for... 1. And input into the Fast Track proposal issue being worked on by the IDNC-WG, based upon a set of proposed topics:-currently in draft form, which will be finalised based on comments *ON this list of topics*, after the Jan 16th deadline. 2. The general topic of Introduction of IDN ccTLDs as per http://www.icann.org/public_comment/#idn-cctld-issues with a 25th Jan deadline. The points Hong posted to these lists relates specifically to the first matter and that has the deadline of Jan 16th... they are a Synopsis or list of issues that the ccNSO-idncctld list is (the IDNC-WG) is wishing to look at so far... The WG list Hong mentioned and listed below is the one that the IDNC-WG committee uses and is subscription to nominated Member only... We do however actively seek input from the ALAC IDN-WG, and most particularly the RALOs and their ALSs on these topics (note again please, this list constitutes the majority of topics {if not all of them} expected to be in the final list) so the At-Large community can use this list as an advance set of topics, upon which to begin their comments and replies to (and indeed if you have any additional topics to suggest, now is the time to let Hong and I know, so that we can forward them to the IDNC-WG before January 16th ... As Hong stated in her earlier email it is extremely important that we collect and collate the views of the At-Large Community regarding these topics, so that these views (even if the view or response is we have no comment on this matter) can be collated and contributed to the IDNC-WG processes... These processes include the preparation by end of January of an interim report, for the end of January and use of this list in a proactive manner will indeed facilitate our input on behalf of the At-Large Community contribute to these processes and be a way of preparing for our contributions to the Public Comment period on this interim report which includes:- Public workshop at ICANN meeting in New Delhi and the Meeting IDNC WG at New Delhi meeting during February... Note please that once the consolidated topics list is prepared by the committee after January 16th, that will be a document which we can distribute. The ALAC IDN-WG Chair and Hong as our IDN Liaison were asked to specifically look at these topics and it was felt at this months ALAC meeting that to better elicit reply and reaction from the RALOs, ALS,s and the At-Large Community, in a timely manner (via the representatives Hong and myself into the IDNC-WG); starting work based upon this draft list of topics was well worthwhile... n.b. all background information on the ALAC IDN-WG and Liaison work and reports so far, is found here https://st.icann.org/idn-policy/index.cgi?at_large_idn_policy including the calls for input into the fast track processes issues work of the IDNC-WG in Hongs December and January Reports to the ALAC) and the ALAC meeting transcriptions and minutes also cover off our discussions as well... Fatimata, as the new Chair of the ALAC IDN-WG along with Hong as liaison will also wish to work on response and formal comment into the Public comment process (Item 2. above) and it is that which Fatimata referenced earlier (note the ALAC via its IDN-WG, as well as the RALOs, ALSs and At-Large can also respond to this public comment process directly, if they wish but the IDN-WG needs to develop any statements for ALAC to consider. And as you will have noted the ALAC IDN-WG has recently been discussing mechanisms for a background briefing to facilitate its efforts on all its activities... In response to Mohameds email earlier today requesting ´ Can Sheryl and Hong as ALAC representatives in the IDNC forward the documents presented for comments/feedback to the ALAC IDN WG, in order that ALAC IDN WG to discuss the issues and provide ALAC comments which will be presented to the IDNC by our representatives. Please refer to some of my information provided above, and use what Hong posting on Jan 8th as the reference point to begin your outreach processes from (I have included it again below) as it lists the draft list of topics (generated by the IDNC-WG) that comments and feedback are no doubt going to be requested on, for input into the IDNC-WG (point 1 above). < snip from Hongs earlier email> On December 14, 2007, CCNSO published the IDNC working group charter <http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/idnc-charter.htm> http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/idnc-charter.htm . A "Topic list for Initial Report on introduction IDN ccTLD under fast track" was circulated in the working group list at the same time. The scope of the IDNC WG is limited to developing feasible methods (for the introduction of a limited number of IDN ccTLDs) that do not pre-empt the outcomes of the IDN ccPDP. A list of topics is drafted to form the structure of discussion on the mechanisms of fast-track implementation. Comment and input are sought on the relevance of the topics listed and whether there are additional topics. Comments need to be received by 16 January {back to the IDNC-WG regarding the TOPICS LIST---CLO inserted text for explanation}. So far, comments on the chair of the working group, working process and nature of fast track approach have been sent to the list. The comments may be on 2 specific mechanisms: 1. A mechanism for the selection of the IDN ccTLD string; Topics: o What are the requirements regarding the status of the script/language in the territory to be used in the IDN ccTLD string? o Is there a limit to the number of scripts per territory to be used as an IDN ccTLD under the fast track approach? Should it be limited to one (1) per territory or some other number? o Who should be able to propose a string for the territory? o Who is required to endorse a string once proposed? o What are the criteria for such a string to be acceptable under the fast track (for example: meaningful representation in a selected script of the name of the territory or recognized abbreviation as listed on ISO 3166 -1) o Will a proposed string be 'evaluated' against criteria? If so, who will the 'evaluator' be and who will appoint them? o Assuming a string and script are selected in accordance with proposed criteria, should there be an objection procedure? If so, who should be eligible to object? On what grounds? What is the impact of an objection (for example non-eligibility under fast track)? 2. A mechanism to designate an IDN ccTLD manager Topics: o Should any criteria specific to IDNs be taken into consideration for the designation of an IDN ccTLD manager? o Are there any specific requirements regarding the technical and operational readiness of the eligible IDN ccTLD manager? o Should there be a proven track record for running a TLD operationally? o Should the eligible entity have experience (operationally or experimentally) with running IDN in the relevant script at the second and /or higher levels? o Should adherence to the IDNA protocol and related requirements be ensured? How should this be ensured? o Is the registration policy of the IDN ccTLD relevant in relation to the IDNA protocols and related requirements? If so how is adherence to such required policy ensured? <end snip from Hongs earlier email> And it is worthy to note in addition to what Hong included in her email on the 8th, regarding the Fast Track work of the IDNC-WG that the following points made in the IDNC-WG Charter The scope of the IDNC WG is limited to developing feasible methods (for the introduction of a limited number of IDN ccTLDs) that do not pre-empt the outcomes of the IDN ccPDP. In considering feasible methods the IDNC WG should take into account and be guided by: The overarching requirement to preserve the security and stability of the DNS; Compliance with the IDNA protocols; Input and advice from the technical community in respect to the implementation of IDNs; Current practices for the delegation of ccTLDs. I do hope this rather wordy reply from me, (OK Im often wordy J), has clarified a few things for everyone and will assist the ALAC IDN-WG begin its important policy development processes, in a timely and proactive manner, on these topics... I am particularly keen to also hear from each RALO Secretariat (this can go to the IDN-WG) as well as individuals and ALSs regarding this topic. Let me know if I can assist further... And do let me know if a IDN-WG call is set up so if at all possible I can join it... CLO From: idn-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:idn-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Bret Fausett Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2008 6:39 AM To: idn-wg@atlarge-lists.icann.org Cc: ALAC & Secretariats Internal Subject: Re: [IDN-WG] CCNSO IDNC WG IDN Topic List on Introduction of ccTLD under fast-track Thanks, Nick. A briefing would be very helpful. In the short term though, I simply need pointers to the materials that Hong referenced. If the current submissions on the questions posted are published somewhere, where are they published? Hong says the email address for the WG is ccnso-idncctld@icann.org, but I can't seem to find the registration page or the archives of that list. Can you share that? If the list archives are not public, could someone who is currently subscribed (Hong or Fatimata or Cheryl?) pass the current submissions to this list so I can read them? Many thanks, Bret
My emails and long-lasting works have clearly shown my support, heart and soul, to the work of ALAC IDN WG. I don't believe I need to reiterate my commitments. All my works are duly archived on the wiki, which Cheryl referred to. Everyone can see how all the work was built word by word, sentence by sentence. It is very time consuming but very transparent. Hong On 1/10/08, Cheryl Langdon-Orr <cheryl@hovtek.com.au> wrote:
Brett, there are no current submissions listed anywhere in response to the topics/questions...
The following missive is supplied to you all to hopefully clarify a few points regarding what the ALAC IDN-WG and the IDNC-WG need as input on the matters of fast track IDN's and IDN ccTLDs by who and when, as there appears to be some minor confusion.
In relation to comments from the Internet User Community regarding the introduction of IDN's, there are in fact two parallel areas ALAC and its IDN-WG are soliciting input for...
1. And input into the Fast Track proposal issue being worked on by the IDNC-WG, based upon a set of proposed topics:-currently in draft form, which will be finalised based on comments *ON this list of topics*, after the Jan 16th deadline.
2. The general topic of Introduction of IDN ccTLDs as per http://www.icann.org/public_comment/#idn-cctld-issues with a 25th Jan deadline.
The points Hong posted to these lists relates specifically to the first matter and that has the deadline of Jan 16th... they are a Synopsis or list of issues that the ccNSO-idncctld list is (the IDNC-WG) is wishing to look at so far... The WG list Hong mentioned and listed below is the one that the IDNC-WG committee uses and is subscription to nominated Member only...
We do however actively seek input from the ALAC IDN-WG, and most particularly the RALO's and their ALS's on these topics (note again please, this list constitutes the majority of topics {if not all of them} expected to be in the final list) so the At-Large community can use this list as an advance set of topics, upon which to begin their comments and replies to (and indeed if you have any additional topics to suggest, now is the time to let Hong and I know, so that we can forward them to the IDNC-WG before January 16th ...
As Hong stated in her earlier email it is extremely important that we collect and collate the views of the At-Large Community regarding these topics, so that these views (even if the view or response is "we have no comment on this matter") can be collated and contributed to the IDNC-WG processes... These processes include the preparation by end of January of an interim report, for the end of January and use of this list in a proactive manner will indeed facilitate our input on behalf of the At-Large Community contribute to these processes and be a way of preparing for our contributions to the Public Comment period on this interim report which includes:- Public workshop at ICANN meeting in New Delhi and the Meeting IDNC WG at New Delhi meeting during February... Note please that once the consolidated topics list is prepared by the committee after January 16th, that will be a document which we can distribute.
The ALAC IDN-WG Chair and Hong as our IDN Liaison were asked to specifically look at these topics and it was felt at this month's ALAC meeting that to better elicit reply and reaction from the RALOs, ALS,s and the At-Large Community, in a timely manner (via the representatives Hong and myself into the IDNC-WG); starting work based upon this draft list of topics was well worthwhile... n.b. all background information on the ALAC IDN-WG and Liaison work and reports so far, is found here https://st.icann.org/idn-policy/index.cgi?at_large_idn_policy including the calls for input into the fast track processes issues work of the IDNC-WG in Hongs December and January Reports to the ALAC) and the ALAC meeting transcriptions and minutes also cover off our discussions as well...
Fatimata, as the new Chair of the ALAC IDN-WG along with Hong as liaison will also wish to work on response and formal comment into the Public comment process (Item 2. above) and it is that which Fatimata referenced earlier (note the ALAC via its IDN-WG, as well as the RALO's, ALS's and At-Large can also respond to this public comment process directly, if they wish but the IDN-WG needs to develop any statements for ALAC to consider. And as you will have noted the ALAC IDN-WG has recently been discussing mechanisms for a background briefing to facilitate its efforts on all its activities...
In response to Mohamed's email earlier today requesting ´ "Can Sheryl and Hong as ALAC representatives in the IDNC forward the documents presented for comments/feedback to the ALAC IDN WG, in order that ALAC IDN WG to discuss the issues and provide ALAC comments which will be presented to the IDNC by our representatives."
Please refer to some of my information provided above, and use what Hong posting on Jan 8th as the reference point to begin your outreach processes from (I have included it again below) as it lists the draft list of topics (generated by the IDNC-WG) that comments and feedback are no doubt going to be requested on, for input into the IDNC-WG (point 1 above).
< snip from Hong's earlier email>
On December 14, 2007, CCNSO published the IDNC working group charter http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/idnc-charter.htm . A "Topic list for Initial Report on introduction IDN ccTLD under fast track" was circulated in the working group list at the same time. The scope of the IDNC WG is limited to developing feasible methods (for the introduction of a limited number of IDN ccTLDs) that do not pre-empt the outcomes of the IDN ccPDP. A list of topics is drafted to form the structure of discussion on the mechanisms of fast-track implementation. Comment and input are sought on the relevance of the topics listed and whether there are additional topics. Comments need to be received by 16 January {back to the IDNC-WG regarding the TOPICS LIST---CLO inserted text for explanation}. So far, comments on the chair of the working group, working process and nature of fast track approach have been sent to the list.
The comments may be on 2 specific mechanisms:
1. A mechanism for the selection of the IDN ccTLD string;
Topics: o What are the requirements regarding the status of the script/language in the territory to be used in the IDN ccTLD string? o Is there a limit to the number of scripts per territory to be used as an IDN ccTLD under the fast track approach? Should it be limited to one (1) per territory or some other number? o Who should be able to propose a string for the territory? o Who is required to endorse a string once proposed? o What are the criteria for such a string to be acceptable under the fast track (for example: meaningful representation in a selected script of the name of the territory or recognized abbreviation as listed on ISO 3166 -1) o Will a proposed string be 'evaluated' against criteria? If so, who will the 'evaluator' be and who will appoint them? o Assuming a string and script are selected in accordance with proposed criteria, should there be an objection procedure? If so, who should be eligible to object? On what grounds? What is the impact of an objection (for example non-eligibility under fast track)?
2. A mechanism to designate an IDN ccTLD manager
Topics: o Should any criteria specific to IDNs be taken into consideration for the designation of an IDN ccTLD manager? o Are there any specific requirements regarding the technical and operational readiness of the eligible IDN ccTLD manager? o Should there be a proven track record for running a TLD operationally? o Should the eligible entity have experience (operationally or experimentally) with running IDN in the relevant script at the second and /or higher levels? o Should adherence to the IDNA protocol and related requirements be ensured? How should this be ensured? o Is the registration policy of the IDN ccTLD relevant in relation to the IDNA protocols and related requirements? If so how is adherence to such required policy ensured?
<end snip from Hong's earlier email>
And it is worthy to note in addition to what Hong included in her email on the 8th, regarding the Fast Track work of the IDNC-WG that the following points made in the IDNC-WG Charter
"The scope of the IDNC WG is limited to developing feasible methods (for the
introduction of a limited number of IDN ccTLDs) that do not pre-empt the
outcomes of the IDN ccPDP.
In considering feasible methods the IDNC WG should take into account and
be guided by:
• The overarching requirement to preserve the security and stability of
the DNS;
• Compliance with the IDNA protocols;
• Input and advice from the technical community in respect to the
implementation of IDNs;
• Current practices for the delegation of ccTLDs."
I do hope this rather wordy reply from me, (OK I'm often wordy J), has clarified a few things for everyone and will assist the ALAC IDN-WG begin its important policy development processes, in a timely and proactive manner, on these topics...
I am particularly keen to also hear from each RALO Secretariat (this can go to the IDN-WG) as well as individuals and ALS's regarding this topic. Let me know if I can assist further... And do let me know if a IDN-WG call is set up so if at all possible I can join it...
CLO
From: idn-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:idn-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Bret Fausett Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2008 6:39 AM To: idn-wg@atlarge-lists.icann.org Cc: ALAC & Secretariats Internal Subject: Re: [IDN-WG] CCNSO IDNC WG IDN Topic List on Introduction of ccTLD under fast-track
Thanks, Nick. A briefing would be very helpful. In the short term though, I simply need pointers to the materials that Hong referenced. If the current submissions on the questions posted are published somewhere, where are they published?
Hong says the email address for the WG is ccnso-idncctld@icann.org, but I can't seem to find the registration page or the archives of that list. Can you share that?
If the list archives are not public, could someone who is currently subscribed (Hong or Fatimata or Cheryl?) pass the current submissions to this list so I can read them?
Many thanks,
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Fatimata, am sure Hong, myself and other ALAC IDN members are willing to help and assist you . Regards, Mohd.EL Bashir Fatimata Seye Sylla wrote:
Hi all,
I have accepted to be the IDN WG chair but I as a new ALAC member, I need time to learn and master all the related issues, which I am doing. Yesterday, I sent an email to Hong and Mohamed for advise and support. In French speaking countries, when a position is suddenly replaced, there is what we call "passation de service" from the former to the new chair for a smooth transition. If that is not the case here I will take any support from who ever among the ALAC community is able and willing to help.
Bret, this is to tell you that the only call for public comments I saw is about "Introduction of IDN ccTLD", open on December 19th to be closed on January 25th.
Thank you all and best, Fatimata
On 1/9/08, *Hong Xue* <hongxueipr@gmail.com <mailto:hongxueipr@gmail.com>> wrote:
I trust the new chair of the WG will do.
On 1/9/08, *Bret Fausett* <bfausett@internet.law.pro <mailto:bfausett@internet.law.pro>> wrote:
I cannot find a list where the existing comments are published. Can you forward them to the list, or perhaps, can you forward me a link to the WG list? I'd like to take account of the other comments while I draft some thoughts of my own.
Bret
On Jan 8, 2008, at 6:38 AM, Hong Xue wrote:
> Comments need to be received by 16 January. So far, comments on the > chair of the working group, working process and nature of fast track > approach have been sent to the list.
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Bret Fausett -
Cheryl Langdon-Orr -
Fatimata Seye Sylla -
Hong Xue -
Mohamed EL Bashir -
Nick Ashton-Hart