Fwd: Are Emojis a pile of poo for the DNS?
I have registered the following emoji-based domain name: 🐧❤❤.ws <http://xn--qeia.ws> That's a penguin and two hearts, intended to indicate "I love Linux" (of course, in postfix notation). At present, only the Western Samoa (ws) ccTLD seems to allow this. Currently this resolves to sdf.org, a public Unix account (for testing purposes)....seems to work on Chrome and Firefox on Linux. I find that the whole process of registration, as well as use, is very messy (despite a very large number of emojis available). Part of the problem is the way browsers and editors handle the string. Just my 2 cents... satish On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote:
Dear all,
last night I had an interesting conversation about a potential challenge for IDNs. You thought that all of the different scripts were a challenge? Well one thing about a script, is that for most of them, they are actually quite identifiable. Now take Emojis, by popular demand! Yes, Emojis. Different interpretations of them, different types of Emojis, different colours, and a commercial pressure that is mounting for Emojis to usable in Domain names.
Discussion is going on in the IDNA update working group. Check the thread around this message: http://www.alvestrand.no/pipermail/idna-update/2017-March/007969.html
It's going to be challenging for universal acceptance, and something between a ♥ because consumers are apparently asking for them, and a Gemoji image for :poop <http://www.fileformat.info/info/emoji/poop/index.htm> because the DNS world is probably not ready for Emoji email addresses... Kindest regards,
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To add to my previous post, there appear to be two conflicting schools of thought regarding emoji-based domain names. The first sees them as a matter of concern, and an innovation that "pollutes" the very concept of domain names. In contrast, the other says this is where popular usage is heading, and "...ignore them at your own peril". At this time, it's appears to be a fad, and perhaps a tad too early to predict where they are headed. satish On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 6:23 PM, Satish Babu <sb@inapp.com> wrote:
I have registered the following emoji-based domain name:
🐧❤❤.ws <http://xn--qeia.ws>
That's a penguin and two hearts, intended to indicate "I love Linux" (of course, in postfix notation). At present, only the Western Samoa (ws) ccTLD seems to allow this. Currently this resolves to sdf.org, a public Unix account (for testing purposes)....seems to work on Chrome and Firefox on Linux.
I find that the whole process of registration, as well as use, is very messy (despite a very large number of emojis available). Part of the problem is the way browsers and editors handle the string.
Just my 2 cents...
satish
On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote:
Dear all,
last night I had an interesting conversation about a potential challenge for IDNs. You thought that all of the different scripts were a challenge? Well one thing about a script, is that for most of them, they are actually quite identifiable. Now take Emojis, by popular demand! Yes, Emojis. Different interpretations of them, different types of Emojis, different colours, and a commercial pressure that is mounting for Emojis to usable in Domain names.
Discussion is going on in the IDNA update working group. Check the thread around this message: http://www.alvestrand.no/pipermail/idna-update/2017-March/007969.html
It's going to be challenging for universal acceptance, and something between a ♥ because consumers are apparently asking for them, and a Gemoji image for :poop <http://www.fileformat.info/info/emoji/poop/index.htm> because the DNS world is probably not ready for Emoji email addresses... Kindest regards,
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Dear Satish, thanks for your kind follow-up. You are absolutely correct. But big corporations like Google, Microsoft, Samsung, Apple, appear to be seeing this as another potential huge market --- seeing that this has all originated from Japan and is huge there. This is a considerable commercial pressure. As ICANN prides itself as being private sector led, I wonder whether the pressure will be high enough to formalise these in the IDN LGRs? Kindest regards, Olivier On 13/03/2017 18:25, Satish Babu wrote:
To add to my previous post, there appear to be two conflicting schools of thought regarding emoji-based domain names.
The first sees them as a matter of concern, and an innovation that "pollutes" the very concept of domain names. In contrast, the other says this is where popular usage is heading, and "...ignore them at your own peril".
At this time, it's appears to be a fad, and perhaps a tad too early to predict where they are headed.
satish
On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 6:23 PM, Satish Babu <sb@inapp.com <mailto:sb@inapp.com>> wrote:
I have registered the following emoji-based domain name:
🐧❤❤.ws <http://xn--qeia.ws>
That's a penguin and two hearts, intended to indicate "I love Linux" (of course, in postfix notation). At present, only the Western Samoa (ws) ccTLD seems to allow this. Currently this resolves to sdf.org <http://sdf.org>, a public Unix account (for testing purposes)....seems to work on Chrome and Firefox on Linux.
I find that the whole process of registration, as well as use, is very messy (despite a very large number of emojis available). Part of the problem is the way browsers and editors handle the string.
Just my 2 cents...
satish
On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com>> wrote:
Dear all,
last night I had an interesting conversation about a potential challenge for IDNs. You thought that all of the different scripts were a challenge? Well one thing about a script, is that for most of them, they are actually quite identifiable. Now take Emojis, by popular demand! Yes, Emojis. Different interpretations of them, different types of Emojis, different colours, and a commercial pressure that is mounting for Emojis to usable in Domain names.
Discussion is going on in the IDNA update working group. Check the thread around this message: http://www.alvestrand.no/pipermail/idna-update/2017-March/007969.html <http://www.alvestrand.no/pipermail/idna-update/2017-March/007969.html>
It's going to be challenging for universal acceptance, and something between a ♥ because consumers are apparently asking for them, and a Gemoji image for :poop <http://www.fileformat.info/info/emoji/poop/index.htm <http://www.fileformat.info/info/emoji/poop/index.htm>> because the DNS world is probably not ready for Emoji email addresses... Kindest regards,
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So after allowing people to register symbol domains in IDNA2003, and then banning them in IDNA2008, they're going to do a back-pedal and re-allow them? What about all the previous owners who were told their domains were being phased out and were advised to let them expire? On 14/03/2017, at 6:38 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:
Dear Satish,
thanks for your kind follow-up. You are absolutely correct. But big corporations like Google, Microsoft, Samsung, Apple, appear to be seeing this as another potential huge market --- seeing that this has all originated from Japan and is huge there. This is a considerable commercial pressure. As ICANN prides itself as being private sector led, I wonder whether the pressure will be high enough to formalise these in the IDN LGRs? Kindest regards,
Olivier
The battleground then is at IETF not ICANN perhaps. We need to update the protocol. Edmon
-----Original Message----- From: idn-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:idn-wg-bounces@atlarge- lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Andy Gardner Sent: Tuesday, 14 March 2017 06:14 AM To: No name <idn-wg@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [IDN-WG] Are Emojis a pile of poo for the DNS?
So after allowing people to register symbol domains in IDNA2003, and then banning them in IDNA2008, they're going to do a back-pedal and re-allow them?
What about all the previous owners who were told their domains were being phased out and were advised to let them expire?
On 14/03/2017, at 6:38 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:
Dear Satish,
thanks for your kind follow-up. You are absolutely correct. But big corporations like Google, Microsoft, Samsung, Apple, appear to be seeing this as another potential huge market --- seeing that this has all originated from Japan and is huge there. This is a considerable commercial pressure. As ICANN prides itself as being private sector led, I wonder whether the pressure will be high enough to formalise these in the IDN LGRs? Kindest regards,
Olivier
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