Dear all, In line with the comments I made during our second ICG call on August 19, I also fully support Jean-Jacques proposal. Best regards, Jandyr Jandyr Santos Jr Head of the Information Society Division Department of Scientific and Technological Themes Ministry of External Relations Tel: 55-61-2030-8469/8472 Fax: 55-61-2030-6613 -----Mensagem original----- De: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] Em nome de Kavouss Arasteh Enviada em: quarta-feira, 27 de agosto de 2014 18:32 Para: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Cc: Coordination Group Assunto: Re: [Internal-cg] RFP subgroup Dear Allé, All suggestions are friedly .There is no unfriedly suggestions We should look into the merit of proposal and not on the source. I fully agree with the proposal KAVOUSS 2014-08-27 22:48 GMT+02:00 Subrenat, Jean-Jacques <jjs@dyalog.net>: Dear Colleagues, following on my previous email (copied below), the ALAC proposes, as a friendly amendment, to add the following sentence at the end of the first paragraph of the draft RFP: "Although full proposals are not expected from non-operational communities, this RFP does not preclude any form of input from the non-operational communities." With this friendly amendment, the ALAC could accept the publication of the draft RFP. Best regards, Jean-Jacques. ----- Mail original ----- De: "Jean-Jacques Subrenat" <jjs@dyalog.net> À: "Paul Wilson" <pwilson@apnic.net> Cc: internal-cg@icann.org, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in>, "Milton L Mueller" <mueller@syr.edu>, "joseph alhadeff" <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> Envoyé: Mercredi 27 Août 2014 13:06:35 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] RFP subgroup If I may just remind that at our last ICG call, I had requested a delay until this Thursday 28 end of day UTC, so that ALAC could also approve or propose a friendly amendment. Thanks. Jean-Jacques. ----- Mail original ----- De: "Paul Wilson" <pwilson@apnic.net> À: "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in>, "Milton L Mueller" <mueller@syr.edu>, "joseph alhadeff" <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> Cc: internal-cg@icann.org Envoyé: Mercredi 27 Août 2014 12:57:41 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] RFP subgroup It works for me too. Can we have a new revision of the document, with Joe’s and Milton’s mods, to see what it looks like when assembled? It’d be safest I think if Joe and Milton could do those edits. thanks. Paul. ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Wilson, Director-General, APNIC <dg@apnic.net> http://www.apnic.net +61 7 3858 3100 <tel:%2B61%207%203858%203100> See you at APNIC 38! http://conference.apnic.net/38 On 27 Aug 2014, at 3:31 am, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote: > On 8/26/14, 8:06 AM, "joseph alhadeff" <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote: > >> I'm fine with Milton's language, > > Agreed, Milton’s proposed change works for me. > >> though I want to make sure that while >> operational communities are required to be inclusive and have serious >> review of all comments they are also able to manage a process to arrive >> at consensus... > > To be clear, the requirement is not that there be consensus within each > process, but that each proposal document "An > assessment of the level of consensus behind your community’s proposal, > including a description of areas of contention or disagreement,” as the > last sentence of the RFP explains. > >> The operational community's knowledge of functional >> requirements does give it some enhanced basis for reaching conclusions >> related to those functional requirements... There may be more relevance >> of stakeholder comments in relation to broader governance, oversight and >> accountability issues/mechanisms of these groups We cannot require >> processes of let 1000 flowers bloom that are so open ended as to >> endanger the ability to reach conclusion. All groups have tight time >> frames to work under. > > The introduction currently says "Proposals are expected to enjoy a broad > consensus of support from all interested parties.” If Milton’s change is > accepted, could that sentence be modified to address your concern? Perhaps > “The operational communities are expected to convene processes that aim to > produce proposals that enjoy a broad consensus of support from all > interested parties." > >> >> I would also suggest that we add the concept of community and >> stakeholder consultation on the unitary proposal, without specifying >> exactly when and how that consultation proceeds. > > This is specified in the explanation of item (iii) in the charter: > > "The ICG will then develop a draft final proposal > that achieves rough consensus within the ICG itself. The ICG will then put > this > proposal up for public comment involving a reasonable period of time for > reviewing the draft proposal, analyzing and preparing supportive or critica > l > comments. The ICG will then review these comments and determine whether > modifications are required. If no modifications are needed, and the > coordination group agrees, the proposal will be submitted to NTIA.” > > I don’t really see a need to repeat this in the RFP since it concerns the > stage after the proposals have been submitted, but the RFP could point > readers to item (iii) in the charter if that would help. > > Alissa > >> >> Joe >> >> On 8/26/2014 9:49 AM, Jari Arkko wrote: >>>> The IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG) requests >>>> “operational communities” of IANA (i.e., those with direct operational >>>> or service relationships with IANA, in connection with names, numbers, >>>> or protocol parameters) to convene processes to develop complete formal >>>> responses to this RFP. >>> I do like your approach Milton even better. >>> >>>> Parallel is fine, but I'm not sure I understand how? >>> I think we need to emphasize early involvement of the various >>> stakeholders already in the community phase, rather than after-the-fact >>> involvement at the ICG stage. But I think you already did it. If I >>> understand Milton’s concern right, he is worried about adding a separate >>> phase 2 stage in a more formal manner _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg